Is 2012 When Joe Flacco Puts It All Together?
It’s always the same song and dance for the Baltimore Ravens, so why don’t we get the Joe Flacco debate going early before it inevitably comes our way.
It’s an interesting debate to be had: Can Joe Flacco lead the Ravens to a Super Bowl berth? While I would guess that most here on Baltimore Beatdown support and believe in Joe Flacco, outside of our little world amongst other Ravens fans, that support seems to be split almost 50/50. Perhaps some of this has to do with the national media’s perception of Flacco and the criticisms that major networks like ESPN have had of him.
Regardless of what side of the fence you sit on, it’s hard to deny that Joe Flacco has brought consistency to the Ravens’ shaky history at the quarterback position along with consistent winning, production, and playoff wins.
After the "Jump", read some clippings that show the Ravens organization are behind Flacco all the way.
As the continuous debate rages on about which NFL quarterbacks belong in the "elite" camp and which don’t, the question becomes: what does Joe Flacco have to do to move himself into that conversation? The simple answer would be that Flacco needs to win a ring to be considered among the NFL’s best. After coming so close to a Super Bowl berth this year with a chance at a ring, Owner Steve Bisciotti believes that this is just the beginning of Joe Flacco’s prime:
"I think he is going to be extremely successful, and I think he's going to have rings, and I think he's got 10 years of his prime to show it, and I think that he will be rewarded for his personality in the long run, and hopefully our fans will, too."
It seems like some folks still forget how young Joe Flacco is with most of his career ahead of him. After four years and four playoff trips that resulted in two AFC Championship Game appearances, it almost stands to reason that the Ravens should be back in a position to contend each year with a strong defense and Joe Flacco at quarterback. So, what does Flacco need to do to earn the support of the fans while it’s very obvious how the organization feels?
In a league that heavily favors offenses and almost promotes high-scoring shootouts, there has never been as much of an emphasis on statistics as there currently is now. Although Flacco has never posted gaudy numbers, his overall statistics aren’t cause for concern or maybe even criticism. Here’s a quick breakdown of Flacco’s numbers through four years:
Games started: 64 (regular season)
Attempts: 1,958
Completions: 1,190
Completion %: 60.8
Yards: 13,816
TD/INT: 80/46
Rating: 86.0
W/L: 49/24 (including playoffs)
Some perhaps would argue that Flacco’s completion percentage is cause for concern, but the simple explanation is that he works in an offense that favors down-field vertical passing and low completion rate plays. The long and short of it is that Flacco has won a remarkable amount of games in a very short period of time with maybe a less than stellar receiving group to work with for much of his career. With a young offense consisting of Ray Rice, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, and Torrey Smith, a little time for Flacco and his young receivers to gel could prove to work wonders for the offenses overall production.
After Eli Manning won his second Super Bowl a few days ago and maybe moved himself into a position to be called "elite", offensive coordinator, Cam Cameron, took to the airwaves to share some of the similarities he sees between both Flacco and Manning. In a story posted on BaltimoreRavens.com, Cam Cameron had this to say about his young signal caller:
"I think there are a lot of parallels when you look at where they both were after four years. They both have had a reasonable amount of success. We all know the success Joe has had, we all know Joe’s upside. I think people were saying the same thing about Eli."
Cameron also added the following on both quarterback’s quiet leadership style:
"They do have similar leadership styles. I just think is shows that whether it's an NFL quarterback, a head coach, there's all sorts of leadership. The bottom line is getting the job done your way. I think that's the most important thing."
Despite the recent criticisms of Cameron, it’s hard to argue with his logic. Although statistics are being discussed and used more and more, the only true stat that matters at the end of the day are wins and losses, and in that area of his game, Joe Flacco has been fantastic.
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all the tools
Joe has all the tools to be an elite qb. All he needs is the weapons. The Ravens and Joe were one catch away from the superbowl!!!!!!!!!!! I’d take him any day over 90% of the qb’s in the league. What an up side.
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How can you say that “all he needs is weapons” when the FO has done nothing but try to give him weapons over the last 3 seasons? When is it time to stop with the excuses? Look at the track record. Boldin, Housh, Evans. What has happened? They were very good, then they came to Baltimore. His running back is probably the best in football, they have a speedy receiver. When do the excuses stop?
Of course, this comment will be torn to shreds, but I’m being serious, and it has nothing to do with what team I like. If Joe was my QB, I’d think the same thing. ( and I wouldn’t even care whether or not I knew who he was as a person)
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Look at the track record. Boldin, Housh, Evans. What has happened? They were very good, then they came to Baltimore.
Is this a joke? Boldin was good yes, Housh was horrible in Seattle before he came here and Evans was hurt the entire season and we saw how clutch he is, so what weapons do you speak of? Just because they bring in people doesn’t mean they are actually helpful. His first 2 years consisted of a receive core of Mason, Clayton, Kelly Washington, Marcus Smith, demetrius Williams, eron riley. Yeah that group sounds like a slam dunk.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Feb 9, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Housh was horrible in Seattle before he came here and Evans was hurt the entire season and we saw how clutch he is, so what weapons do you speak of?
Housmanadeh had 911 receiving yards as a seahawk so his production definitely wasnt horrible when he was there
He only had that amount because nobody else was there to throw too. If you watched him there he was not good and seattle fans were thrilled to get rid of him.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
there was a reason they cut him after only one year when he just signed a 5 year around 40 million dollar deal.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
there was a reason they cut him after only one year when he just signed a 5 year around 40 million dollar deal.
I think they cut him because they wanted to get younger and their head coach wanted to make a change where he had players he liked which is why Josh Wilson, Deion Branch, and Housh were trade or released from the team
If they wanted to get younger why would they sign him to a five year in the first place?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
When they signed him to a five year deal Jim Mora was the head coach and
when Pete C became the head coach he got rid of most of the players that were in the Mora era.
So you think Demetrius Willliams, Joshua Cribbs, or anyother wideout that havent reached a receiving yards of 900 would had done the samething?
what are you talking about?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
you said Housmanzadeh only put up those numbers because the seahawks didnt have any other player to throw to well if
thats the case can you picture Demtrius WIlliams, Joshua Cribbs, or any other wideout producing the same numbers if they were on the seahawks offense instead of housh?
I would like to add as well when Housh put up 911 receiving yards as the number one wideout their was a wideout by the name of nate burleson who put up 812 receving yards as the number two wideout. The seahawks eventually traded Burleson to the lions which is the same year Pete.C became the head coach .
The point is he isn’t a great receiver anymore. He was past his prime and there’s reasons nobody really wanted him before he came to us and after we didn’t re-sign him nobody really wanted him either until the raiders where he didn’t do anything. He’s nowhere near the receiver he was in Cincy.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I wasnt focus on the matter of him being the same receiver he was in cincy
; it was said by you that he was horrible in seattle and the only reason why he put up 911 receiving yards was because no one else was there for the quarterback to throw to. I think i provide enough evidence to counter your statement to prove that its not accurate/true.
reasons nobody really wanted him before he came to us
I think age sometimes just pushes teams interest away. Look at Steve Smith it was said that the panthers were willing to trade him but no team step up to trade for him and I think it’s mostly because of age.
I feel like a 37 year old wideout could put up 1,012 receving yards and still get little interest from a team because of his age but thats just how the nfl business is
Every Player
Has that last good year, and then the next where they fall off a cliff. For Housh, his last “good” year was his last year in Seattle, and then he dramatically decreased effectiveness his only year in Baltimore. With McNair, his last good year was his first year in Baltimore and then he declined significantly the following year. It happens to them all.
Interesting that Ricky, who had a good year for what he was brought in for, decided to go out when he did rather than try to hang one for “one more year”.
Point is, Housh was good in Seattle, sucked rocks here, and haven’t heard a peep from him since then, which didn’t help Joe.
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Reading that list of WRs made my eyes bleed. Truly awful. What were we thinking with those guys?
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 9, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
People will ask this question until he wins one
I think it’s a stupid question. Of course he could get this team to a Super Bowl. The Ravens were seconds away from one this season. If only his receivers could catch the football.
Yet for some reason this point will be forgotten and Flacco will still be considered average at best by national “experts” and fans who just don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
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this
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 8, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
With a young offense consisting of Ray Rice, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, and Torrey Smith, a little time for Flacco and his young receivers to gel could prove to work wonders for the offenses overall production.
This to me is the biggest thing we need to work at. There needs to be continuity with who Flacco is throwing to much like Green Bay and New Orleans have had over the last few seasons. It seems that Flacco has had a new group of WR each year, and it was particularly different this season.
Once Dickson can get his act together, it will only improve the offense with Pitta already being a sure thing and Torrey only improving (the next Roddy White).
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Great point
Much like an Offensive Line a QB and his receivers need time together. The release of Mason and Heap were necessary but the Raven went from a team that was tops in the league in holding on to the ball to one of the worst in terms of dropped passes.
Dickson needs to improve. They also have to settle on a #3. I wouldn’t mind Evans coming back starting the season healthy but he may be cut due to a need for cap space. So unless they think Williams or Doss can step up that means signing another new player.
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The Ravens screwed Joe again by bringing back you know who. The play calling keeps every game so close allowing teams like seattle and jacksonville to hang around. The reason Joe is so much better on final drives is that he can open it up and use his natural ability. the first 3.9 quarters he has to navigate damn cameron’s horrible game managemenrt.
by raven on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Yea, actually a really good observation. When Flacco is allowed to let it loose, you can see his natural ability come through and he looks really good. There def. is a difference between Joe going along in an iffy system, and Joe un-hinged.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 8, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Raven is officially Wacko for Flacco
by Evan Skev on Feb 8, 2012 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Joe is great and I'm a fan of his performance and attitude
but I truly believe he’s reached his potential. This is not a bad thing, just an observation. As was mentioned by Malor, the turnover (no pun intended) of WR’s that Joe has had to put up with would unravel a lesser young QB. Combine that with the issues on the O-line and the contentious relationship he has with Cam, who is the only OC he’s ever known, the one constant piece to criticize is Joe. Right or wrong, 4 seasons now as a starter and Joe will be applauded or annhilated first. So what can he do to detract the nay-sayers? What can any QB do short of winning it all? Nothing. He’s performed as well as he can, and as well as he is going to perform. What magic formula would suddenly make him even better than what his stats currently project him to be? Nothing. As long as the things surrounding Joe are fixed, he’ll be just fine, as will the Ravens team. This is true for nearly every QB out there by the way. Elite QB’s only come along so often. Is Joe elite? What does that matter? Will he win it all? Maybe, probably, I’m not sure. Is he the right QB for this team? Absolutely.
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i should leave this to Amp, but
how does it indicate that Joe has reached his ceiling when his numbers improved by leaps and bounds 3 years in a row with mediocre receivers and only took a step back when he had a 90% turnover in receiver personnel, dominated by rookies and first-year starters?
if anything, that serves to indicate that we’ve yet to see Joe in a situation in which he CAN reach his true potential.
the best QBs in the league all have had continuity at WR. Joe hasnt, but he will
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 8, 2012 3:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If "reaching his potential"
is something like what he did in the AFCCG, which was throw for over 300 yards and two TDs, then if he averages that over 16 games, I got no problem with that being his ceiling. Anyone disagree?
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nope
my thought exactly
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 8, 2012 4:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is exactly what I'm saying
Joe, in my opinion, has shown what he’s capable of. The biggest knock on him is consistently doing it. So for me, the fact that he CAN do it says that he will continue to do it, and he doesn’t need to add anything.
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i think we clearly need a taller wr who can be a redzone threat
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 8, 2012 5:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And a dedication to playing Joe from the shotgun
with the play action boots sprinkled in.
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Keep dreamin’.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 8, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
wait…which of his numbers improved this year?
Great QB’s make mediocre receivers look like All pro’s
(example…Peyton Manning with Colie, Gonzalez, Garcon, Tamme, Stokely..etc, or Brady with Welker, Branch, Vrabel (yes, he’s a defensive player, but Brady sure made him look like a great TE many times) Brown, Faulk etc… )
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Eh, to argue your point. Brady is a product of his system. Yes, he’s great and has proven that he’s one of the best, but how does he fair without Belichick? Who knows, but I’d bet that he doesn’t perform as well. That system is built to take crap and turn it into gold. Hence the 3,000 un drafted players Belichick rolls with each year, which clearly failed him in the end.
Peyton is just on a whole other level. He can run an offense entirely on his own if need be and regardless of rings, IMO, is the superior QB. His football IQ is off the charts. He’s not tied down to coaching and he’s the sole reason, at least a major reason, why Indy has been extremly successful.
It was seen when Brady went down that another, maybe even a less talented QB, could come in and perform well enough to carry the team. Belichick for all of his alleged wrong doing is still one of the best coaches in history.
All that said, I think Joe’s doing fine. He’s had a less than stable offense with a receiving group that’s let him down with key drops year after year. Most recently Evans, last year Housh and Q. Add in that he’s running a system that’s older than he is….and you get the Ravens offense. Personally think he’ll get better and that’ll only happen when the training wheels are fully off.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 9, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t argue against Brady being a product of a system. No,he probably wouldn’t have been great without Belichick, but he was still way better than Cassell…so some credit has to go to him, right? Belichick is one of the best coaches in history.
Peyton is the sole reason, I agree…but why can’t Flacco be the sole reason? Why does there have to be a conversation every year about how “next season Joe will put it all together”?
Is it not possible that the restrictions placed on him are because he needs them to be placed on him?
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Well, there are very few times that Joe is allowed to play his ball. And you can see a difference right away. Examples from this year would be the ARZ and second Pitt game. We’re trailing and Joe is allowed to lead the offense back on his own. It’s not something I know for sure, but you just watch and can see that that’s who Joe is as a QB. At least that’s my opinion. I don’t think the restrictions placed on Joe are just and I don’t understand it. Maybe Cam thinks he knows best and calls games based on that. I don’t know. Joe doesn’t have to be the sole reason for success cause we have the luxury of a great defense and a little monster at RB.
Manning on the other hand IS the offense. Without him the Colts tanked, they’re just not a complete team.
I don’t think it’s always a ‘next year’ this or that. In my mind, Joe has proven to be a very good QB with tremendous talent that’s unfortunately at the mercy of coaching that lets him down. He can get to a SB. He almost has twice and would have if not for dropped balls. Evans catches that pass, and we’re singing a different tune.
This post I wrote was more to stir stuff up and keep people thinking during the slow times. Joe isn’t widely respected in BMore which I don’t get. You’d think that we had Peyton here before with the way some fans react if Joe makes one mistake.
Any way you slice it, he’s the best QB the teams ever had.
But yea, Brady deserves some credit, maybe he gets a little too much though? That’s all I meant. Belichick designed a team that can succeed with sub-par talent and that’s more a credit to Belichick than Brady in my mind.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 9, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
How do you know that though? (that there are very few times Joe is allowed to play his ball). How do you know for sure when he’s “playing his ball” and when he’s not? Is it just you seeing him do well, and automatically giving him credit?
As a fan of a team with OC deficiencies, I sort of understand, But our OC was just trying to cater to what our QB could do, and it didn’t work out. What will it take for people to hold Joe responsible?
About your post though, you were successful, and it was a very good post. I also enjoy the fact that you can have an adult conversation and not fly off the handle because I have criticisms/reservations about players on your team.
I didn’t really know that he wasn’t widely respected in Baltimore though. I’d think that the Ravens QB history in their short lifespan would be more than enough for Flacco to earn their love.
I do agree on both parts about Brady. He deserves a little credit, but he also gets too much. I seriously think sometimes that Belichick could take you and i and the quadriplegic from our site and turn us in to the greatest offense the NFL has ever known. Belichick is the main reason, all I’m saying is…Brady did a lot more with Belichicks genius than Cassell could.
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Honestly, I’ve had the same thought. I feel like I could line up as a WR for the Pats and be successful. Ha. It really seems like Belichick just knows how to squeeze the best out of nothing and make it perfect. Brady > Cassel, but they still went 11-5 without Brady. Whereas the Colts with out Peyton…yea. Belichick is that good, and should be getting more of the credit.
As far a Joe, you’re right, I don’t know for sure. All I know is that I trust what I see. When playing from behind or in a pinch he’s been able to run great hurry ups commanding the offense at the line and making adjustments. He can make clutch throws into tight windows, and I’ve even said that he’s looked Favre-esque at times with a quick release and great zip on the ball. I just don’t think any QB can go from looking great one min., to looking average or that off another. To me you don’t spurt greatness at times and then look like crap without some sort of outside variable….like coaching. It’s pretty well documented through stats that his best year by a landslide was with a stable QB coach and the only year he regressed instead of improved was this season while Cam had the QB coach job. It’s just something I can see. It seems like there’s the held back Joe, then the un-hinged go win the game Joe. There is a visible difference to me.
Joe isn’t widely liked here. I know several fans that hate him. They never have any answer as to why they hate him, but the like to blame everything on Joe without even thinking about looking at the whole picture. I personally think its cause he was never accepted when he was drafted. Troy Smith was a young phenom out of the mega-program Ohio State and people get caught up in that stuff. It’s the whole: “well he must be good if he came from a big school and put up huge numbers in college”. Joe was some lanky awkward kid from fucking Delaware and everyone went: “yeah right….ooook”. They didn’t believe from the start and so they still don’t. You would honestly think that the Ravens have had the best QBs to ever play football since ‘96 for the way Jod is viewed around here. It’s nuts.
And so far as I can tell, Pitts never had an offensive system. Ben just goes out there like he’s playing ball in the school yard and makes it work. Haha.
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 9, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Well, unfortunately for you, the Steelers signed Troy Smith, so consider your Super Bowl window closed. Bwahahahahahah!
Seriously though, why would anyone with a brain think an Ohio State QB would be successful in the NFL? Can you name one? Come on, try it. Just name one successful Ohio State QB in the NFL over the last 25 years.
Krenzel? Hoying? Germaine? Anyone? Buehler? It’s not a coincidence, there is a reason that no OSU QB has been good, and unless drastic changes happen, they never will be.
As far as the offensive system…who knows…we’ll really find out this year. I would believe that there is a system, but Ben intentionally sabotages it just to run that playground crap you are talking about. Who knows…I don’t care, whatever works.
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I still can’t believe you guys signed Smith. Haha. I’m betting he doesn’t make it through camp. Maybe just a guy to help push and compete against your younger QBs.
It’s not just Ohio State, it’s any major program. I think it’s just a mentality that people expect great things too often from the big schools and people get caught up in the hoopla of that. Again, I know several people that still like Troy and their only validation is that: “if he lit it up in college he would in the NFL.” And since Joe is from Delaware….any mistake he makes will because he was “never good enough in the first place”
And Ben won rings running around like a crazy person on the field, so for his “backyard QB” style, I’d say it worked alright. Might have shortened his career a bit, but still got the job done.
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 10, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, exactly. I highly doubt he makes it through camp.
As far as other major programs, most of them have at least one success story, right? Even Miami had…Jim Kelly or Testaverde.
Even Florida had… Ok never mind. You’re right.
The argument that “he lit it up in college he’ll do it in the NFL” is the most ridiculous argument ever.
For examples, just look toward any quarterback that has played for Houston or Hawaii. Not a single one of them could make it. One team pulled a Belichick on the Cardinals, and tricked them in to giving them stuff for a Houston QB, and I guess the jury is still out, but…I doubt he’ll work out for them over the long run.
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Yes, exactly. I highly doubt he makes it through camp.
I’m probably wrong, but I thought you guys were losing to FA/retirement/cutting for salary reasons 2 of the 3 out of Batch/Leftwich/Dixon. So maybe they brought Troy in knowing they need a 2nd or 3rd QB
I honestly have no idea what they plan on doing with the QB situation. Dixon has obviously burned his bridges or maybe he just really sucks, but it’s clear the team does NOT want him suiting up. Leftwich….well…he likes paid vacation on IR, but before that, Batch was on IR two seasons in a row (I believe he had those two IR trips in about 3 snaps, or maybe I just like to make it sound legendary). You could be right, but it just seems the post-playoff exit “futures” contracts don’t end up on the team much.
If I had a choice, I’d retire Batch, find a new home for Dixon, and maybe keep Smith as a number 3. Injuries or not, I still trust Leftwich more, should Ben go down.
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And I do hold Jod responsible plenty when I feel it’s just. If he fucks up I have no problem calling it out. It’s the coaches’ job to put the players in a position to succeed. That means: game planning, adjustments, tailoring plays and sets to what the defense is dictating and what your own offense is capable of. I just don’t see that the coaches are putting Joe or the offense as a whole in a position to succeed, and until that happens, I’ll be harder on the coaches than Joe. If the coaching or play calling change for the better and Joe struggles or regresses, then I’ll start questioning myself. Otherwise, I think Joe is fine and working with something that’s being forced.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 9, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
Once again why are Steelers fans comparing Flacco to Brady and Manning? It’s no wonder you guys never give him credit because you are always comparing him to all time greats. Nobody here ever puts him in those Categories, but everytime a Steeler fan brings up an argument about him it’s well look at Peyton or look at Rodgers. Once again Flacco is not Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. Nobody is ever claiming him to be them. Flacco is a good QB, but you can’t just throw anybody out there with him and expect him to lead them to a super bowl. He needs weapons just like the majority of QB’s in this league do.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Yep, all QBs need good to great weapons to reach their potential. Brady didn’t drink Austin Power’s mojo after the 2006 season. He got Moss and Welker.
http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats
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Once again why are Steelers fans comparing Flacco to Brady and Manning?
In this case, because it was relevant. It was another excuse that Joe “doesn’t have weapons”. Well, some here want to call him great, great means getting the most out of what you have, right? The FO keeps bringing in receivers that were successful for their prior teams, but fizzle out when they get to Baltimore. Obviously, some will say it’s the OC, some will say it’s Joe, but either way, the FO has tried.
Example:
Boldin, last year in AZ as a number 2 behind Larry Fitzgerald
84 for 1024. only 4 td though. This was behind one of the top three receivers in the NFL
Then, in Balt…being the pretty much unquestioned number 1
2010 64 for 837
2011 57 for 887
Who’s fault is this? Since he broke out, the only sub 1000 yard season he had was when he only played 12 games.
Houshmanzadeh. Three seasons before Baltimore
112 for 1143
92 for 904
79 for 911
Baltimore
30 for 398.
We may have a pattern here.
So, who’s fault is it? If they keep attempting to bring weapons in, and they fall of the face of the Earth once they get to Baltimore…who is responsible?
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AZ ran a pass first offense and Boldin had Fitz to take all the coverage from him so obviously he would put up bigger numbers over there. Housh was declining every season and went from being the unquestioned #1 guy in seattle to the unquestioned 3rd WR here and how often have you seen us really utilize a 3rd WR? We don’t have that type of offense to put up those giant passing numbers.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
read the comment chief
He improved in his first 3 years and only took a step back this year with all new faces.
Out of all the QBs you just named, they all have considerable continuity with their receivers. Flacco has not had that this season—but when he did his stats steadily rose.
You made my point for me. And please Frank, stop bringing up the “knowing Flacco as a person thing,” because its been creepy and awkward for a long time.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 9, 2012 10:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 3 recs
"knowing Flacco as a person thing," because its been creepy and awkward for a long time.
Where do you think I got it from? Do you think I made that up? Of course it’s creepy and awkward. Someone who would actually say that, and be serious, kind of deserves to be reminded of it, right?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Flacco has reached his potential....?
That’s just flat out incorrect.
QBs don’t hit their prime in year 4. Look at all the greats. Usually it’s around year 6 to 8. Sometimes it even comes as late as year 12.
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The question posed was "will 2012 be the year Joe puts it together?"
My observation is that he’s put together everything he is capable of putting together. How can Joe Flacco the QB improve? Throwing the ball harder? Running faster? I contend that he’s there, he can do little to nothing that can fundamentally improve his ability or his mechanics, which would answer the question “is this the year he puts it together”. Now if the question was simply “will Joe lead the Ravens to a SB” like it is in the poll, then I would answer yes.
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I think things like reading defenses better, becoming more accurate when throwing deep passes,making better decision when passing the ball, improving his accuracy, improving his leadership and etc is what Joe can improve on..
I dont think Joe Flacco has reached his true potentials and I think he will with his new quarterback coach also with better chemistry with his offensive weapons
They don’t? In just recent history, I’ll give you Brady, both Mannings, Ben, Rodgers, and Warner. All were more than established as being among the best in the game well before their 6th year. What QB’s are you referring too that took that long?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
What QB’s are you referring too that took that long?
Brady, Brees, Gannon, Both Mannings, and pretty much every QB who had the opportunity to lace ’em up for 10+ years.
Warner played Arena ball in his 20’s, and didn’t get into the NFL till 30 (IIRC). So It’s hard to say when the start of his prime was. I think he was at his best in Arizona though.
Look at their stats. Brees was year 6, Peyton year 7, Eli year 8, Brady year 6, Gannon year 12. Roethlisburger year 6
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With the exception of Warner, youre right. Warner was naaaaasty with the Greatest Show on Turf.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
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"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 9, 2012 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 3 recs
Oh Wow
Can’t believe you played that card…
No disrespect to Shadow, but that was damn funny…
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of course flacco can win the big one; but he does have a hitch.
Joe Flacco could very well be a super bowl champion. He has the tools, the defensive support, respect of the team. He has shown that he can run the team down the field.
However, he needs to extend the play at times, score early and cam needs to take the handcuffs off.
Also. the play calling needs to be more aggressive. The 2011 season saw that the ravens offense could handle the pressure at times; even with ,the limited preseason that’s even without saying that the receiving core was virtually unfamiliar to Flacco.
To be fair though, our offense stalled early against NE because Rice could not get anything going
Part of the game plan was to have Rice pick up at least 2 or 3 yards on 1st down and we work from there. Rice got stuffed at the line or behind more times than we’d have liked and since it’s on first down, we’re already in a hole.
It’s a tricky process because the Ravens pride themselves on being a run first offense. But with Joe as our QB, we should try to evolve into a physical, BALANCED offense, not just a run-first offense.
Our game plan should have been to go after their defensive backs early and often.
Then that would open things up for Ray Rice. Why did we have Matt Birk getting bowled over when we had a younger bigger pro bowl center on the bench. If we’re gonna go all the way we need coaches with balls to play the right people when needed.
I agree. I'm hoping that we can retain most of the guys on offense, so Flacco will have some continuity
With Cam, we just have to hope for the best…we’ve definitely seen the worst

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