Choose One: Flacco or Rice?
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 1:02 PM EST
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Even though Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco has another year remaining on his rookie contract, both he and the team want to tear up that final year and work out a new agreement to keep him in Baltimore for a long time. At the same time, RB Ray Rice would become a free agent unless the team either re-signs him to a new contract or places the Franchise Tag on him.
Luckily, the Ravens absolutely has the ability to retain both players and even team owner Steve Bisciotti "guaranteed" that both will continue to be in Baltimore next season. But what if they couldn't keep both and the team had choose one or the other? Who would you pick?
Joe Flacco has led the Ravens to the playoffs in all four of his NFL seasons, winning more games (including playoffs) than any other QB in NFL history. Ray Rice led the entire league in combined rushing and receiving yards and is considered one of the top running backs in the NFL. Which one is more important to the future of the Baltimore Ravens?
This would be a tough decision under any circumstances, but with the Ravens arguably one play away from making the Super Bowl in 2012, which of the two would be necessary to stick with the team to help it take that next step? Could the Ravens bring in a free agent veteran or a highly sought after draft pick and pick up the slack for the loss of their all-time leader in virtually every team passing category?
Could the Ravens find another quality running back in free agency to put up anywhere close to the stats that Rice has done in his career? The elusive and dangerous runner is a threat running and receiving and there are very few others out there anywhere close to his array of skills.
Looking at the 2012 NFL Draft, there is no realistic chance the Ravens could figure out a way to trade up for Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, and no other QB in the draft appears to be the guy to lead the team to the Super Bowl in his rookie or even sophomore year. That leads the only option of replacing Flacco to be picking up a veteran free agent from the pool of available players.
Possibilities will include Matt Flynn, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton and perhaps a few others. Are any of these, other than a healthy Peyton Manning, the type to rise up and lead this team to the Promised Land? Doubtful.
If the Ravens choose to let Ray Rice walk, where does his replacement come from? Certainly, it's not unheard of for a rookie RB to be part of a championship team, but what is available in the NFL Draft that could fill that void? As far as free agency, which would be the obvious immediate best option, there are a few guys like Matt Tolbert, Matt Forte, Cedric Benson, Michael Bush and a few others.
For argument's sake, there is no reason to think that impending free agents Arian Foster and Marshawn Lynch will either be franchised themselves or cost at in the same ballpark as Rice, which is the reason he would be released in the first place. Could the others step in and fill those little yet so huge cleats? Doubtful.
Thankfully, the Ravens will not have to be put in the position of having to choose one or the other. But if they had to, which one would you, if backed into a corner and having to make the decision for them, end up keeping and which one would you have to show the door to?
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Flacco and Cam should get the boot for putting their minds together to come up with wonderful 3rd and 8 draw plays and 2nd and 10 run plays. Rice can stay because he can still get open for the occasional screen and it’s fun watching him get stuffed on short yardage goal line plays.
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Really
Who could replace him? Jason Campbell Payton Manning is one hit away from a wheelchair and will play maybe 3 more years. Four years of playoff success really makes people forget about Kyle Boller. I would tag Ray Rice but this is the same team that had Jammal Lewis,Priest Holmes,Chester Taylor they can draft another RB. Before Flacco QB was a BIG TIME MISSSSS so sign Joe Flacco.
Damn….that’s a tough one. I love Rice, but Ravens fans have already had enough woes at the QB position.
by StuckInUtah on Feb 21, 2012 1:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How shocked would we be if Rice wasn’t resigned or tagged.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 21, 2012 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rice is more important right now, but he's had three years of a very heavy workload
You never know when RBs will start to break down. At least with Flacco you know you have eight or so years left of mediocre to good QB play.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
Arians termed…Haley ready to whip rothlis ass…Wallace on his way to the Bay…five vets set to be cut…after getting swept by Baltimore and Tebowed in the playoffs
And you’re here to troll … ok
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad to see you're as charming as ever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 21, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Quality pitt bandwagon fan response…
Flacco is the best QB in the AFCN…pitt is a mess…and you’re here to troll… Ok buddy
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I’m sorry, you’ll have to repeat that for me.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 21, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I have all day and plenty of experience with black & yellow homers
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
bandwagon homers…..they think their QB who’s won 2 super bowls is better than our qb ….damn pitt trolls….good stuff…
Get outta here FrankWyt
"Picture Me Rollin"
by Mr MaLoR on Feb 22, 2012 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Neither
Are going anywhere.
I think the better question is to choose between Grubbs and JJ. That is where the hard decision is going to be for the Ravens. I think they can keep one, not the other. So, who would it be in that scenario?
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I doubt either are in Baltimore next season…but the backups are in place and that’s exciting.
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Duh
Of course they’re not. As fr as JJ or Grubbs, when it comes down to it, neither (or both) leaving will result in us going further in the post season or not.
Thus, the question stands. Rice or Flacco?
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think we lose both JJ and Grubbs because we got to save room to pay Webb next year. I have little cap knowledge to back this up though. It seems like we have too many good players on this team to fit under the cap already.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
Both JJ and Grubbs are expendable
and just very solid parts to the puzzle but nowhere near as important as Ray or Joe, or yes, even Webb.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
No
Stupid question. Stupid article. You can do better than this.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
My blog, my story
Like it or not. You can do better than just criticize. Read it,…or not. Be a sport and vote one or the other. Just hypo, but obviously too much so for your tastes.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not that easy coming up with good stuff for y’all to read every day, and Bruce has to do 4-5 articles a day, and that’s pretty tough during the off-season before draft and free agency stuff starts, take it easy on him. We’re all just trying to keep sane during these slow weeks and months…we all hate it and this is just something to have fun with. A social experiment to see who chooses which player. Not ragging on you, but Bruce has done a great job for us running one of the best Ravens sites out there.
As for the article. I love Rice and we’re fortunate to have him, but finding a franchise QB these days is a lot more tough than a good/great RB. If I HAVE to choose, I say Joe.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Love me some Bruce but he can do better… I understand the squeaky wheel gets the lube but there has to be a modicum of substance so that the overall quality of the blog stays high
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so that the overall quality of the blog stays high
I can think of one way to assure this…
"Picture Me Rollin"
def….hes a pitt lover….detestable….he doesn’t even call em bandwagon yinzers….how dare he be civil….he might as well be a pitt troll himself. flacco number 1…
Um, Evans Kev…not Skev?
What the crap is happening? Hahahaha. Awesome….
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 22, 2012 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
what in the sweet blue port-o-john water is going on here
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
FrankWyt got banned, so he made this name.
"Picture Me Rollin"
by Mr MaLoR on Feb 22, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Without Joe, we are the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Without Rice, we are still the Ravens (just a lite or wild card version of ourselves).
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
No Joe the last 4 years = no playoffs the last 4 years. Still baffles me that people seem to think he hasn’t been a reason whatsoever for our success. He has been THE reason!!!
"Picture Me Rollin"
Yep. If anyone needs anymore proof of this, look at the Ravens from ‘01-’07. We were the same team we are now minus a good QB.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
you’re correct…in those years we got to the playoffs and choked as well. joe fits in perfect with grbec and mcnaire. cam=billick soooo, we are pretty much still spinning wheels. if the texans didn’t have a rookie QB we’d be having a totally different conversation.
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Rice is more important than Joe Flacco. I take Matt Flynn and Peyton Manning with a mess up neck
over Joe Flacco any day to keep Rice around. Flacco with out rice is like the Ravens with out a R but Rice with out Flacco well yeah you get the picture. Get rid of Flacco put Tyrod Taylor up in there and we will be fine :)
This jazz dude should be working at the Castle
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only problem is
you want the healthy productive Manning and the Flynn guy who toasted Detroit’s HORRIBLE defense. the real guys are the ones you’ll see fail next season in another team’s jersey.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
This post reminds me of a SNL skit where the Chicago boys are asked, what would happen if “da Bulls” and “da Bears” ever had to face each other in a sporting event.
by StuckInUtah on Feb 21, 2012 2:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ditka vs Stephen Hawking
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i would vote flacco
if this question were ever a real one. but i dont think it is ever going to be a real trauma.
by captain dobey on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's my entire point
It’ll never happen, so have fun and pick one instead of everyone complaining so seriously. Lighten up guys, it’s the off-season.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Flacco
Running Backs can be replaced more easily than Quarterbacks.
Matt Flynn? What’s he ever done. I mean besides take advantage of a great system with solid receivers to trick some team into a huge payday. (see Matt Cassel)
Peyton with a messed up neck is interesting but what about his bad tricep. Don’t you have to be able to throw the ball to be effective as a quarterback?
Tyrod Taylor. He plays well in the pre-season and fans go nuts.
Anyone checked the free agent crop lately? Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell or Rex Grossman. Blech.
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Any? Ok, Joe or Sizzle? Joe or Ray Lewis? Joe or Webb?
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
No, just messing around.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
The whole point of this is non serious hypothetical questions of stuff that’ll never happen. Actually that’s not true, it’s happening in Pitt right now. So Evan, my question to you:
Wallace or about 5-6 other players? You can either pick one player, or part ways with several.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
But the difference there is that those 5-6 other players are old vets who seem to just not have it in them anymore to be productive. Farrior stinks, Hampton is ehhh, Aaron Smith can’t stay on the field, Hines has lost just about everything. So they are going to cut ties with those players in order to sign Wallace, and in my opinion, it won’t hurt them the slightest bit.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Wines didn’t lose everything… JJ and RayRay knocked it out of him last season.
As for Wallace, cutting hampton, wines, foote, farrior, and smith doesn’t create enough room to sign Wallace and rookies. I feel they’ll tender him since they can’t franchise him and he won’t go for a back-loaded contract when another team will pay him immediately. It’s time to pay the credit card bill in pitt.
And if they do manage to retain him, they still have a QB on the decline who can’t deliver the ball to his WRs in stride. Flacco to Wallace would be a nightmare for opposing D. rothlis is a flawed QB who doesn’t scare anyone anymore.
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And if they do manage to retain him, they still have a QB on the decline who can’t deliver the ball to his WRs in stride. Flacco to Wallace would be a nightmare for opposing D. rothlis is a flawed QB who doesn’t scare anyone anymore.
I don’t know about all that. You seem to be the only Ravens fan here that has said Flacco is better than Ben. His O-Line killed him this year, running game freaking sucked. He had a very good year statistically and from what we saw from the pressure in Joe’s face from our O-Line this year, I highly doubt he could have done better behind Pitt’s O-Line. That might be the worst group in the entire league.
Ben can still shred it.
"Picture Me Rollin"
they still have a QB on the decline who can’t deliver the ball to his WRs in stride.
Are you crazy or you just going through your Evan “gotta say something that i know dont make sense but it will work” skev phase again. I dont see how a quarterback that is 29 years old and had a quarterback rating of 90.1 and pass yards of 4,077( better than his 2010 stats) equals a quarterback declining
With the way that O-line is looking and Ben extending plays, he is bound to decline much faster than most QBs. I think he’s 2-3 serious concussions away from going the path of Troy Aikman and Trent Green (and I’m not talking about him getting a broadcasting job).
Luckily for Ben, the rules are being changed so QB hits are less violent.
LOL
loved the Aikman crack
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I see a QB on the decline…an uncoachable egomaniac who refuses to throw the ball away… A dude who gets tunnel vision in the clutch… And a guy who has taken a beating because his bosses refuse to buy him protection and because he loves to hold on to the ball. You see stats… I see a player getting his ass handed to him…unnecessarily. enjoy his stats.I’ll enjoy watching him get himself creamed
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the fair thing to say is
that no question Ben is the better QB right now, but has peaked while Joe still has a much better upside due to his youth and health for the future.
Fair enough to satisfy all?
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
That’s very diplomatic… In my opinion, rothlis had his choice of OC and system and still fails due to character issues and the hero complex he displays on field.
Flacco is a beast for being able to succeed while being forced to run an AC scheme with possession receivers and for displaying his nerve in the clutch…and on the road.
There is no question in my mind who is the better QB and it isn’t the guy who lost to Tebow in the playoffs or handed the SB to the pack.
It’s Joe Flacco.
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is no question in my mind who is the better QB and it isn’t the guy who lost to Tebow in the playoffs or handed the SB to the pack.
It’s Joe Flacco.
atleast its all in your mind because it definately isnt fact
I stated an opinion and supported it… You may state your opinions and support them, also.
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It might not hurt them, but will it be enough to keep Wallace still? That’s the part that I’m interested in. If they can work enough cap magic to first get under the cap, and then retain Wallace. Either way, they’re still a good team, but they’re hurting right now and I’m just waiting to see how they’re going to come out on the other end.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
From what I’ve read, it doesn’t look like there is anything they can do to guarantee him back next season. The more and more I read about it, the more it looks like they are going to have to put the tender on him and pray it isn’t picked up.
"Picture Me Rollin"
That’s what I was thinking. So, do you part ways with a lot of vets hoping that you can keep him? Then what if it’s not enough and you roll the dice on the tender, and some team still snatches him away? Tough decision.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Saw this from one of their fans.
#s as I see it
You need this:
$6M to get under cap
$2.6M Mike Wallace 1st round tender
5x $1.8M = $9.0M 2nd round tenders to Ramon Foster, D. Johnson, K. Lewis, Legursky, Mundy
~$4M for signing draft picks
$21.6M to lose, this allocating nothing for any UFA signings at all. (Gay, Cotchery, a NT)
Realistically they need to get at least another 3 million to sign some vet FA ’s
How can we save
$4 Cut Ward
$4.8 Cut Hampton
$2.8 Cut Farrior
$2 restructure and extend Foote
$1.5 restructure clark
$3.1 restructure miller
$1.3 Cut suisham
$2.1 Cut A. Smith
$21.6 off the cap from that.
You can cut Kemo later in the year to save $3.5M this year that can go towards other FA signings. J. Scott is another possible later cut at $2.2M if the team picks up someone good in the draft at OT.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Wait, so they’re planning in tendering Wallace per this persons account by saying:
“$2.6 M Mike Wallace 1st round tender”
Is that part of the plan that this person is out lining? If so, $2.6 mm won’t be enough to keep a team away.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 21, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think the key is rothlis…he is due $12MM this season… If they convert salary to bonus they could cut $7 or $8MM right there
I feel they will try to restructure rothlis and franchise wallace so that they can bring Wallace back… im expecting them to make a mistake somewhere… Can’t wait to see it. Colbert is no Ozzie
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Steelers unfortunately,
will be just fine and right there in 2012 fighting for the AFC North along with Cincy,…perhaps.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 21, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not so sure… they are forced to restructure guys who aren’t likely to finish their contracts… and they’re forced to cut vets who can still contribute… They have the 2nd place schedule so that helps…
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The 2nd place schedule is only 2 games
I know every game matters, and 2 games can make a huge difference, but it shouldn’t have a huge effect one way or the other. With the way the NFL is, there are so many teams that are up and down anyway, good one year, bad the next.
It would be great for Pittsburgh to fall off a bit, definitely ease the pressure on us a bit, but they’re an organization that knows how to stay successful.
That’s a great point and a great illustration of what differentiates the NFL from other oro team sports. Two games is insurmountable… Entire seasons are wrecked by an incorrect ball spot. There are so few games, possessions, plays and scores that a season can be wrecked by…a missed chip shot…or. single turnover… Or a last second TD pass to a rookie Terp WR that forces your team to hit the road and get…Tebowed
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 8:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yeah..Colbert is no Ozzie…he’s had one losing season in 12 years compared to Ozzies 3 in 10 ….oh, and all but one of Colberts first rounders are starters/stars….much better than a 50/50… so…you are correct…Colbert is definitely no Ozzie…laughable.
Go away Frank
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Who is Frank? My friend told me about this blog, and I couldn’t think of a name, and Evan Skev was the first I saw, so I just moved a letter over.
How funny is this though that both Frank and Evan resorted to making fake profiles just so they could continue to add nothing to this blog. Hilarious.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I do kind of think you are a little creepy, but I can sort of justify it as that sort of love that you see when you see a twelve year old boy go up to Shoeless Joe and say ‘Say it ain’t so, Joe" You just love your team. It’s weird, but we move on.
However, I don’t think taking ten seconds out of my life to make a name similar to a member of your blog, in which everyone knows who it is, is creepy. It’s obviously a joke (and I must say, it was funny to me, and at least a couple others)
You should thank me, I’ve done you a favor at least once, and it’s about to be twice. My “ruining” of your blog turned out to be a good thing the first time.
I wouldn’t ever claim to know someone as a person that I didn’t know at all. For example, if I was a really huge fan of a certain QB that I’ve never met, I would never defend him with “a lot of this hate is because people don’t know who Joe is as a person”
Then, after that, claim I had been taken out of context. That’s sad. So yeah, I don’t know Frank as a person, and neither do you. If you did, you’d realize he was just a big teddy bear of a man that just wanted to love everyone.
When You
Talk about yourself in the third person, that is the very definition of creepy…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Bruce
people’s opinions on Evan Skev notwithstanding, this is clearly an account that has been made for the sole purpose of trolling Skev.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Doesn’t bother me… some pitt fans hide it well…others don’t hide it at all..in this case, the kid is mentally disturbed
by Evan Skev on Feb 22, 2012 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the last thing we need is you and some evans kev guy (frank) going back and forth 500 comments
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Im serious when i say this: Both players are valueable to the ravens offense but when the ravens offense is mention do you hear Joe Flacco name often? well the answer to that question is no because Ray Rice seems to be look upon as the main key figure to the ravens offense.
Flacco is very underrated where Ray Rice isnt but they both are major key factors to the ravens offense success but Ray Rice is in the spot light and Joe flacco is not.
It isnt easy to find a Top 10/15 quarterback and it isn’t easy to find a top 5 runningback.
I think it is alot easier to find a RB who could rush for 1,000+ yards than it is to find a QB who can pass for 3,600 yards.
"Picture Me Rollin"
I've seen enough of bad QB's and temporary solutions, letting Rice go would hurt like hell but....
its still a no-brainer to me. It’s not like he tore it up that much in 08 when we went to the AFC Championship.
best tackling team in the NFL, most physical and just dominates people. When we walk out of the tunnel and out of that locker room, we expect to shut people out and play great defense - Ravens DC Chuck Pagano
Wow, what's with all the hate on the article?
just a hypothetical. I absolutely love Ray Rice, and hope he’s a Raven for life. But if the only way to keep Joe was to let Rice walk, Rice would be gone. Despite what so many crazy Ravens fans think, franchise QBs don’t grow on trees, and the way the league is set up now, a QB is MUCH more important than a RB, even one as good as Rice.
Worry not for long
Combine, then free agency then NFL Draft, then mini-camps, OTA’s and walla, it’s Training Camp in around 150 days!
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Easy answer
Joe!!! A good RB is much easier to find. I can still remember the Boller bumbles and Wright trying to throw a deep ball. It was tough watching other teams throw the ball down the field and our offenses only attempt at passing were 3-4 yard ones. I think the only deep balls we connected on in those days were flea-flickers. Its nice playing games in January.
Joe Flacco
I love, LOVE Ray Rice, but as a RB, you never know when he’ll start to wear down. People really underestimate the importance and necessity of having a franchise QB. It stabilizes the offense and the team.
Bruce, no offense but I think I have a better hypothetical question for the members of this site
Who would you rather ban? Evan Skev or TheShadow?
(just kidding guys, hope you have a sense of humor about it)
I vote to keep TheShadow…Skev is inconsistent
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Obvious choice
Flacco has ten years left at this level. Rice has maybe fthree or four. I love Ray Rice, but RBs have very short careers.
You have to be kidding. Is he even in the league.
"Picture Me Rollin"
by Mr MaLoR on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
If you are on good teams you last, if on bad teams you don’t last. How long would Flacco have lasted on Cleveland.
Derek Anderson didn’t last on the Ravens, and now we see why. He inherited the passing attack that Kurt Warner had, with STELLAR receivers and he couldn’t do anything positive with it.
Why do I even bother?
Name me one Baltimore sports figure of the past 20 years who you’re a fan of.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Name me one Baltimore sports figure of the past 20 years who you’re a fan of.
Mark Bulger and Troy Smith.
"Picture Me Rollin"
insert backup QB name here
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
If you knew anything
Derek Anderson didn’t play one official regular season game for the Ravens. He was put on waivers hoping to be retained but the Browns picked him up the next day.
The Ravens were bad in 2007 and never had a receiving corp like Flacco has.
He never had a three headed monster or a Ray Rice with a Vonta Leach. The Ravens always beefed up the defense and didn’t give a shit about the offense.
Boller had a top 5 O-Line and premier RB. They grabbed Mason in 2005, so he had a go to WR.
You cannot argue that those teams in from 01’-0’7 were not full of talent. Flacco would have easily had a ring with that 2003 and 2006 team.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Don't really remember the 2003 team
But defense won in 2006. Flacco would not have won because Billick would have shitted up the offense still. If Flacco could not come through last year and this year, 2006 would not have been any different.
How did Flacco not come through this year? To me, Evans didn’t come through for Joe.
"Picture Me Rollin"
When you only put 7 points on the board in the first half
Against a 31st ranked defense. He should have led Evans to the corner. Evans had to turn around for the ball and the defender was too close when he got his hands on the ball. Anyone could have knocked it out of his hands with such little time to get possession.
You don’t find it even the slightest big ironic that you are the ONLY person who doesn’t think Joe delivered a perfect pass?
"Picture Me Rollin"
It was a perfect pass
The problem was the defender was too close for the receiver get complete control of the ball. You don’t think a better pass would have been to lead the receiver away from the defender. Look at all the quarterbacks that get to the super bowl, they lead their receivers away from the defenders.
Lee Evans lightened up to early on the play. He could have closed his shoulder so the defender had no chance to hit the ball with any power. He also could have put two hands on the ball and gripped it tighter. That incompletion is on Lee Evans and Lee Evans alone.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
Evans didn't eve have his second foot down before the defender had his hand on the ball.
I said it was a perfect pass, but the defender was right there to knock the ball loose. Every other top ten quarterback puts the ball where the defender has a chance to cover up before the defender gets there. No defender Evans catches the ball and Joe looks like a hero. He has to learn how to lead the receivers. He wants to throw the ball exactly where they are, that’s why guys on this site think there is no separation.
Evans easily had a chance to cover it up. He decided to play it cool instead.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
It is. Close shoulder, hold the ball with two hands, and grip tightly.
All NFL receivers have good enough body control to do it. They do it on every catch as they are going to the ground.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
It takes far less time for Evans to close his shoulder before the defender makes a Tim Tebow throwing motion with his arm and swats the ball out.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
Just admit it
If he would have led the receiver away from the defender the Ravens are holding up the Lombardi Trophy.
Actually
I think Flacco would have thrived under Billick. Billick was raised in the West Coast offensive philosophy- he started his coaching work for Bill Walsh with the 49ers. For as much as Billick is detracted, I think Flacco being the QB that he is in terms of arm strength and ability, would have done quite well under Billick.
To wit, Billick was the OC in Minnesota in ’96 & ’97 when Brad Johnson was the starter. Brad was throwing to Cris Carter and Jake Reed for those two seasons. While those receivers are better than say Torrey and Anquan, Flacco is way better than Johnson.
Ironically I remember seeing a lot more slants and other West Coast attributes with Boller under Billick, when in reality Boller probably would have done better in an Air Coryell system where he just chucks it as far as possible and lets the receivers catch up and run underneath the pass, that is assuming Boller didn’t trip over his own two feet in the five and seven step drops… Not saying Boller would have set the world on fire, but again, ironically, I think Boller would have done better under a Cam system; and Flacco under a Billick system may be doing better than he already is as Flacco seems better suited to a Billick system.
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