Will the Real Ray Rice Please Speak Up?
Sorry about the headline everyone, I couldn’t help myself. Last week I posted a story about how the contract-extension talks between impending free agent, Ray Rice, and the Baltimore Ravens, are at a stand still. While this news might not have been shocking or even upsetting to Ravens fans, the plot, as they say, has thickened.
The reason that little piece of news wasn’t worrying was because it has been widely reported for weeks that the Ravens would most likely place the franchise tag on Rice, and that Rice would sign it without question and both sides would move on while a long-term contract was drawn up.
Last week I shared the news from ProFootballTalk.com that the Ravens and Rice weren’t making progress, but now it seems that no contract talks whatsoever have taken place between the team and the star running back. A newer snippet of news has now surfaced that may put a knot in some Ravens’ fan’s stomachs. Per NFL.com:
"A league source told ProFootballTalk.com the two sides haven't made any progress in talks. NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora took that one step further Thursday, reporting via league sources that there haven't been any real talks between the player and team. League sources told La Canfora that Rice will be unhappy and won't rush to sign the franchise tag if the Ravens opt to use it without negotiating a potential long-term deal first."
It’s the second half of that quote that might make some un-easy about Rice’s future in Baltimore. I’m not quick to set myself on fire and jump out my window just yet though. Rice himself has said in the past that the franchise tag is an option that he understands and would work with even though it’s not the long-term solution both the team and Rice would like at this time.
(After the "Jump", see what Rice said about the franchise tag, watch me get in trouble for calling out a well-respected NFL analyst, and hear my plea to the Ravens’ running back.)
In today’s NFL, news and rumors fly free almost daily. In some cases, particular aspects of the league such as injuries, trades, and contracts can be more secretive than the blueprints to the White House. While I respect a person’s right to remain anonymous, in cases such as the controversy surrounding Ray Rice’s contract status, I wish that La Canfora would have revealed his source that stated that Rice would be unhappy with the franchise tag.
Yes, I’m probably making a fuss out of something that’s really nothing, but the issue I take with what La Canfora is reporting is that it is somewhat contradictory to what Rice himself has said about receiving the franchise tag. In January, Rice said the following during an interview after the Ravens’ loss to the New England Patriots in the AFC championship game:
"If the franchise tag happens, you know, it happens. But, obviously I think the fans in Baltimore would rather know that I’m going to be here long term rather than guaranteeing me one year. And, it’s something that I want, my family would want, and it’d just put the situation at ease for a little bit. But, I mean, the franchise tag, it’s not the worst thing in the world. It’d definitely be a lot more than I ever had."
The full interview can be seen: here.
To me, it doesn’t sound like Rice would be terribly irate about receiving the franchise tag and it’s understandable that he would be at least a little upset about heading into next season without a long-term solution in place. And this is what I take issue with according to La Canfora’s reports: he seems to indicate that Rice would be upset enough that he could hold-out, or even test free agency. Maybe it’s just me, but I wish that La Canfora could prove and back-up his claim that Rice would be unhappy and not rush to sign the franchise tag by revealing his source.
So, will the real Ray Rice please speak up and put this matter to bed? All of Baltimore is waiting, and wants you to get paid just as much as you want to.
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Baltimore has the cap space and Rice wants to be a Raven.
pitt, on the other, has until March 5 to gut the team and franchise Wallace or lost him to the bungles. One trick pony, Mike? Good stuff
by Evan Skev on Feb 20, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, Rice was leading the league in yards from scrimmage while about 30 or so RB’s were making more than he was this previous season…..and we never heard one complaint about it.
Rice is a team guy, knows he will get his money, and everything will be fine.
As for Wallace, Pitt isn’t going to let him go man.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Franchise him then work out a contract in the following months, just like we did with Suggs.
"Picture Me Rollin"
His tag number is $10MM… Here’s your chance to be colbert… Who do you cut and who do you restructure and how… Let’s say you’re $7MM over before you start an stout have two weeks to make the cuts and tag him before an offer comes in
by Evan Skev on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
6-10 this season with a second year left tackle… Wallace is as good as gone unless they make the cuts this month. Someone is going to check their blood pressure by making an offer that must be matched…and doing it early in the process
by Evan Skev on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I think the Steelers will keep him and the only team I see being a threat to them is the Bengals. They have the cap room and two1sts, so if they really wanted Wallace they are capable of pulling it off.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
San Fran as well. Tons of cap room, need another WR and only have to give up the 30th pick.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Not Tampa
Wallace isn’t worth a top 10 pick in the draft
Plus
No way no how do I want P-burgh with a top ten pick in the draft…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I’d love them to lose Wallace and take a chance on a draft pick…even a top ten pick… And then possibly trade down… And take chances on even lower picks… Wallace is a pro bowl stud… One out of three picks makes it to the pro bowl
by Evan Skev on Feb 21, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A top 10 pick on a lineman would cure more problems for them than the loss of Wallace would create.
by Mayne_Event on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
This
100%
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
That’s true as well. that would be the best place for him to go for us. Gets him out of the division and hurts Pitt.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I was just having a little fun with this one, while I’m annoyed by some of the reporting La Canfora is throwing out there and wish he could substantiate his claims, a lot of this is mean to be tongue in cheek.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 20, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions
Peter King is reporting that Rice wants an AP type deal. I really hope that’s not true because I don’t think we will get even close to that.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
But the truth is that he deserves top RB money. Without Rice our offense fails, and at best, just suffers not having him. They’ll have to tag him and work out a deal during the off-season and probably through the regular season as well. I wish that these guys could back up what they’re saying cause a lot of it sounds like major BS going off of what Rice has said in the past about the tag and contract stuff. That’s why I took issue with La Canfora’s report, it contradicts what Rice has said in the past and if you’re going to report this stuff, back it up!
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 20, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. It would be nice to get the real story. He does deserve top money, but I don’t think any RB is worth what AP signed for. 7 years and 100 mill for a RB is a huge risk and when you look at what happened to AP’s knee right after he signed it I don’t think we would be even in the same ball park as that deal.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Yea, $100 million is too much for any RB these days given that they’re almost too interchangeable and expendable. But, Rice is our centerpiece and deserves a large, fair contract. I just want both sides to come to a meeting point and get this thing done before it gets an uglier. What kind of money do you, AV, and everyone else think he sees with a long term contract?
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I would say similar to Chris Johnson’s deal, definitely not going to get AP type deal (if that really is what it would take to sign Rice, then bye bye Ray).
My guess is 5 years, $47 million.
"Picture Me Rollin"
I was thinking 5 years also, but wasn’t sure on a number really. So you think $9.5 million per year?
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 20, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, $9.5 a year seems fair to me. Rice and Chris Johnson are about on the same level as elite RB’s, (Rice is a bit better of course) so I would think in that range.
Vikings are going to regret giving AP $14.2 million a year (if they haven’t already).
"Picture Me Rollin"
Yeah I don’t know why you would even consider giving an RB that type of money. Especially with how hard he runs you know he’s bound to get banged up along the way. I really don’t think there’es a point to ever give an RB more than 5 years anyways.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I really don’t think there’es a point to ever give an RB more than 5 years anyways.
That’s why I think we go 5 years maximum. In 5 years, Rice will be 30 years old, which unfortunately is usually the turning point in a RB’s career.
Right player, right price. We aren’t going to over pay, or under pay.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Agreed. Ozzie does a great job of taking care of our superstars and while he won’t overpay he will be more than fair.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
This. I think somewhere around the Chris Johnson deal is about right. I think that is more than fair for an elite RB.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
rices deal wont be AP
but his agent will ask for it and then back off of it. thats why Rice said he “understands” the Franchise tag, because he knows that the negotiating process for him as a superstar running back will be messy.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 20, 2012 11:37 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Anyone see on ravens.com that we could steal mike wallace from thesteelers for a hefty roster bonus and our 1st rounder
Do they shit Ozzie.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I second this. No thanks, costs too much. Parting with a 1st round pick and then the salary he’ll command. It’s not realistic at all, especially with Joe and Rice getting their deals worked out.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
rather not. We would give up a first and half to pay a big contract. If we were going to do that we would just go and sign a vincent Jackson and not give up our first. Ozzie values draft picks too much to do that.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
He would still have to play out the rest of his current tenure right? Take him now and next year when ray Lewis is gone take that money. Trade Boldin for a draft pick. Use that money and pay the man. Will that not work?
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No you would have to pay him a new contract now. You offer him a contract and Pitt would have to match so you would have to offer him a contract that pitt couldn’t or didn’t want to match.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
The way they explained it on ravens.com was different but yaw right that won’t work.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Baltimoreravens.com
Thus, a team that is eyeing Wallace could send Pittsburgh a first-rounder, and then to ensure Kevin Colbert and Co. can’t match an offer to keep him, the said team can propose a roster bonus that the cap-strapped Steelers can’t afford.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They are going to have to tender Wallace, because the cap hit for them if they franchise Wallace is $9 million, which right now they cannot afford at all. If they want to keep Wallace they will either have to cut ties with bunch of players, or hope and pray no one picks up the 1st round tender.
"Picture Me Rollin"
I mean, he wouldn’t want one of the most dynamic WR in the game? Pairing him with Torrey on the outside, not only would it be deadly over the top, but there would be no possible way to cover Boldin, Pitta and Dickson underneath.
But just doesn’t seem like a logical move that Ozzie would ever make.
"Picture Me Rollin"
If Ozzie planned to use the pick on a receiver anyway.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Very true, but a rookie WR like Floyd, Sanu or Jeffrey, if they were picked at 29, we could mold them the way we want them to.
Although it would be nice, we don’t really need another burner like Wallace is. Torrey is a freak and going to be a STUD in this league for a very long time. We need someone who can make the tough catches in traffic, has some height to be a redzone threat (our biggest weakness) and not be one dimensional.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Hope Tandon Doss is ready to play. Isn’t it true that in Cams system that we need two deep threats.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would you like a Dewayne Bowe signing.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These signings would be great, but they basically would take up all our cap room, which is why Ozzie won’t do it. It would sure up the WR position, but cause potential holes in others.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
We need someone who can make the tough catches in traffic, has some height to be a redzone threat (our biggest weakness) and not be one dimensional.
well most of that all equals to what Tandon Doss can do
Well they are saying basically the same thing. Just what they are saying is you structure the deal to where he would receive a lot of bonus money up front so that they couldn’t match the contract. That would severely limit our cap though
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
please please
guys, help me out again. would like to understand tag signing a bit more. is it possible that rice does not sign the tag but test free agency? if it is so than what is the point with the tag at all? seems pointless.
thx fr yr explanation.
by captain dobey on Feb 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Its a short term deal that doesn’t hurt your cap space much, I think so.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tag actually hurts your cap a lot that’s why they try to get deals done instead of tagging them.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Rice can't go FA route
If we tag him, his choice is to sign or sit out. He already said he’ll sign, so there is no issue.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 20, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
He can chose not to sign the tag, but if he doesn’t that means he’s sitting out until he does. If we tag him it’s either sign it or don’t play. He would prefer to get a deal, but said he would play under the tag if they can’t get anything done
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

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