Is Joe Flacco Worth Top 5 Money?
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 18, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintThe agent for Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco is saying that the four-year veteran deserves a new contract paying him what is considered top five money. Based on his playoff appearances and the fact that Flacco has won more games in his first four seasons (including playoffs) than any other QB in NFL history, he might have a compelling argument.
However, while most people would agree he is a top ten QB in the league, top five might be a bit of a stretch. According to a link to a story on Pro Football Talk, Flacco will need to not only get to and win the Super Bowl next year, but earn the game's MVP award, in order to get that type of contract.
Of course that would mean playing out the final year of his rookie contract, which would not make him a happy camper, not to mention the pressure it would put on his shoulders to have a great individual season. How would that added pressure play out over the course of the 2012 season and what would be the repercussions if he and the team did not raise the Lombardi Trophy next February in New Orleans?
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7 years, $82.6 million
$11.8 million a year, $38 million guaranteed. That is my final guess.
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He isn’t going to get $10 million, but he isn’t going to get $13 million, so that is my middle number.
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Seven years at about $13M per on average for a total of $90+.
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If we had receivers that caught the ball in tough situations Flacco would be getting top 5 money without question.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 18, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think it was two out of three afc championship games ended in dropped passes. If those were caught we would have atleast had two super bowl appearances. I hope Ozzie gets us some receiver help because we need it.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 18, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you know what team dropped the most passes, let me give you a hint.
They went 15-1, had the #1 offense in the league this past year, their QB was the NFL MVP of the year, and they won the super bowl last year.
The difference is it was the game winning drive, not just throughout the game.
by Raven_all_day on Feb 18, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah and where were they this year? Your logic is so ridiculous I’m sure even you can’t even believe your own BS
by YeahDonnie on Feb 18, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But your placing the blame for dropped passes on Joe, or blaming having the ball knocked out of Evans’ hands on Joe? You really can’t say that’s on him. Last year it was Housh, this year it was Evans. I’m not following how you could blame Joe and say: “if he saw his open receivers” or whatever. When it’s counted most, Joe’s put the freaking ball right on the numbers only to be let down by Evans, Housh, Mase or Clayton. It’s been the same story for four years. Our WRs don’t make clutch catches, Joe’s been making the clutch throws though, it’s hard to dispute that.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
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by WestminsterRaven on Feb 18, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
The defender made a good play before Evens could totally secure the ball.
The week before Evens made a fantastic one handed catch and the Ravens shit the bed at the goal line. Do you blame the receivers for that also.
Well, it’s proven that in order for our offense to work, or run at full steam, that each part needs to be outstanding: O line, WRs, RB ect. Most of the blame for our offense short comings I blame on the line, the receivers and Cam.
Our pass plays take too long to develop with an o line that gave up 6-8 sacks in post season play. That’s what rolling Joe out on a bootleg play is so effective, but it’s rare that Cam calls for that. Also, the line played horribly getting any push in the run hand towards the end. Again, of Rice isn’t going, our offense suffers. That starts with the line and needs improved upon.
Lots of people want to blame Joe without giving examples of what he’s doing wrong, specific plays and specific games. What’s he supposed to do with an o line that’s letting pass rushers through while his WRs are streaking down the field with their backs to Joe cause they’re still running their 30-40 yards routes? We never do anything to neutralize a pass rush by using quick passing patterns like slants, crossing stuff, and the most imaginative screen we use is Rice faking a block than hoping into a dead zone in the coverage. This shit isn’t hard, but our offense sure likes to make it as difficult as possible.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 18, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for the spelling, fucking iPhone auto correct nonsense.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 18, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
It’s painful to watch… i gave up after another season of nonsense… Oh well… There will be changes …soon
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 4:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The more I look at the Lee Evans play.
If Flacco had led him into the end zone instead of throwing behind him the defender would not have been able to get a hand on him. His momentum would have taken him away from the defender who was turning around right into Evens back peddling.
It was a great pass by Flacco, Evans has to make the catch. It’s a simple as that. You can’t seriously place blame on Joe for a dropped pass that hit Evans in the right between the 8 and 3 on his jersey. Sure, Evans had to adjust. It’s his job to adjust to the ball while in the air. That pass hit him dead on his belly button. Has to catch it. You can either blame Evans for the drop, or praise the defender for stripping it. Joe got the ball there, not on him.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 18, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
But looking at the replay
If he would have led the receiver the defender had no chance of stripping Evans. It was a perfect throw if there is no defender within six feet. That gives Evans time to secure the ball and get both feet on the ground. How many times have you seen a quarterback thread the defenders just to have Ray Lewis blow him up. Sometimes there just isn’t time to get 100% control before you are hit. And that was the case with Lee Evans.
You’re still trying to place blame on Joe, where it was Evans that didn’t secure the catch. The ball was there, you have to catch it. How come Tyree or Manningham can get praised for making crazy catches (one of which was a toss up), and you have a problem blaming a WR for dropping a ball that was in his hands? It goes both ways. Joe put the ball there, Evans, regardless of defenders, has to catch it. It’s what he’s getting paid to do.
What personal vendetta do you have against Flacco? That’s a serious question. I really want to know what you have against him.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 18, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Evans made a fantastic catch the week before of a catch thrown behind him.
This week the defender was right there to strip it before he had time to get 100% bear grip control of the ball. What problem do you have after seeing the replay that a smarter throw would have been to lead the receiver to the corner away from the defender. It was a great throw by Joe if he could have caught him in stride where the defender wasn’t right there to knock the ball out of his hands before he could get better control of it. That wasn’t Evans fault but a great play by the defender.
I don’t really care what Evans did the week before or what he did 3 years ago in Buffalo. He adjusted to the ball like he is supposed to, ball hit him just below the numbers, and he didn’t catch it. Since our offense is basically: throwing the ball to a pre determined spot and having the WR meet the ball in the spot, it wouldn’t suprise me if Joe was told to throw it where he did. It’s all irrelevant anyways. It’s done now. Just hope they whip out the “jugs” machine during training camp.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 18, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Jugs machine…always makes me chuckle
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think I'm starting to agree with TheShadow
and if Joe didn’t have that stupid Fu Manchu, Cundiff would have never missed that kick. Billy was obviously distracted by the mustache and shanked the kick because of it. I think his unibrow caused Boldin and Housh to drop those passes last year too.
Cut Flacco now and sign Matt Flynn or Manning!!
Joe
Threaded that pass between two defenders if I remember correctly before it reached Evans, so Joe threw it in the only spot he could. A little to the left or a little to the right, it gets knocked down methinks.
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Both defenders were to Evans left
It was a great pass but Evans had to turn around and wait on it which gave the defender time to knock it out before Evans can get both hands on it with both feet down. If you watch he could have led him to the corner in stride where the defender would not have caught him.
You just tried to downplay Flacco for not overcoming receivers' dropped passes
by comparing him to a QB and team that didn’t make it as far as we did in the playoffs, and said Rodgers overcame drops but Flacco couldn’t. And you brought up that they won the Super Bowl LAST YEAR which has nothing to do with their drops this year. Your arguments are purely insane.
"Your arguments are purely insane."
Because he is an idiot…
But Green Bay was 15-1 with an MVP quarterback.
And if whoever Green Bay lost to would have screwed up like the Texans did, they would have advanced just like we did.
Laughing… I just realized you’re joking us
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our wide receiving corps was in the top five for most dropped balls, but don’t say that to Shadow…he’s a troll who likes to hear himself talk.
It's a real shame Joe Linta had to make that comment public
I guarantee Rice’s agent is trying to sell Rice as the top RB in the game, but we’re not hearing that (good on his agent). It’s probably just agent talk. Wants top 5 money, gets top 10 money, with enough incentives to make it close to top 5
Lol Mason wouldnt have dropped the pass
Speed for hands
by Raven_all_day on Feb 18, 2012 2:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mason would have only
ran a three yard hitch pattern and never into the end zone!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 18, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
He deserves every penny but will likely take less…for the team
Flacco is a top QB
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 3:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Here’s an article on the pitt cap and how it will affect Wallace
They are on shaky ground
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would anybody we willing to sign Wallace
if the Steelers don’t retain him? I think it would cost way too much money, but it’s an interesting idea.
It will be tough for pitt to retain him… their payroll is high and the CBs has changed to make it easier for other teams to march offers
My understanding is that a team can no longer attach a 1st & 3rd…
by Evan Skev on Feb 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We would have to give up our first for him and sign him to a decent contract so no.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I don’t believe teams have officially been able to tender players yet, but it sounds like that is the plan for them.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Ok
it would never happen anyway…but just imagine the 2 fastest WRs in the league on the same team, it would be pretty insane
Flacco is a top ten QB. I will give him the dropped passes but he makes enough of his own mistakes to keep him out of the top five.
I was skeptical of Joe in the beginning of this year and Joe deserves to get paid. I hate when agents start talking out their asses playing or trying to play public opinion to pressure franchises. For me it turns me against paying the client. The team should pay Flacco and charge him for having to deal with his agent
He's a top 10 QB no doubt. NOT A TOP 5! You need a ring to be considered in the the top 5
Brady, Eli, Ben, Rodgers, Brees…. There’s no room right now… there will be once he gets a ring
…..waiting for you to support a position with a cogent argument…
This is fun
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So I guess Marino was never a top 5 QB
rings have nothing to do with how good or bad a single player is on a 53 man roster.
Marino had SB appearances Joe has not but he is continuing to get better and wi continue to get better.
Joe has the Raven work ethic and will continue to develop.
He is a Top NFL QB. Period.
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by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
who is a better qb than flacco?
brady, rodgers, brees, p. manning, e. manning, rivers, roethlisberger, stafford, maybe romo, maybe vick. so probably towards the lower end of what those guys get paid
I understand this is your opinion but can you provide your reasoning? Without proof, your opinion isn’t worth much
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve read some about Christ and I don’t recall anything about making rocks and picking them up. Are you referring to Lazarus?
I am not on drugs… How is that relative to this discussion?
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It would sure explain a lot of things if you were on drugs.
by TheShadow on Feb 18, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’d he satisfied if you’d explain just one thing.
by Evan Skev on Feb 19, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
For the same reason Eli is everyones fanboy this year
But they forgot he lead the league in interceptions last year.
Shadow
Joe Flacco is our guy for at least the next 5 years. Thats just a fact.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Love Flacco
But he is not top 5… probably 8 or 9 but he will get paid just not top 5 money… whenever they take the handcuffs off of him and protect him he will move up the list
There could be a reason he gets a contract close to what the top 5 get
say he gets a 6-7 year deal. Even if he’s paid somewhere near top 5 this year, by the end of the contract, there will be probably 10 guys surpassing that deal because of inflation and the cap going up.
The issue is not whether he is top 5, the issue is whether he should be paid top 5 money. There is a difference. I would not consider Eli Manning a top 3 QB but that’s exactly what his contract says he is. And he signed that contract two or three years ago, when most didn’t even put him in the top 10. So is Joe Flacco worth top 5 money? Yes. This is his team, he can take us to a Super Bowl, and that’s all I need to know.
The team can take us to a super bowl, he can't
A top 5 quarterback can without a full complimentary team.
What does a Top 10 Contract look like
Ten top NFL starting QB’s have signed new contracts since 2008, not including rookie contracts. I left Carson Palmer off the list since his situation was unique. Here are the Top 10 QB Contracts:
QB – # Years – Total Value – Avg/Yr – Guaranteed – Year Signed
Michael Vick 5 $80,000 $16,000 $32,500 2011
Peyton Manning 5 $90,000 $18,000 $20,000 2011
Tom Brady 5 $78,500 $15,700 $48,500 2010
Ben Roethilsberger 6 $102,000 $17,000 $33,200 2009
Eli Manning 7 $106,900 $15,271 $35,000 2009
Phillip Rivers 7 $98,250 $14,036 $38,500 2009
Aaron Rogers 6 $65,000 $10,833 $20,000 2009
Jay Cutler 5 $50,370 $10,074 $20,000 2009
Matt Cassel 6 $63,000 $10,500 $28,000 2009
Tony Romo 6 $67,400 $11,233 $30,000 2008
If you look at that list and say Joe Flacco fits somewhere in the middle, the average of that group is 5.8 years / $80,142 ($13,865/yr) with $30,570 guaranteed.
If you remove the 5 Super Bowl winning QB’s, the average of the “2nd tier” of 5 QB’s is 5.8 years / $71,804 ($12,369/yr) with $29,800 guaranteed.
This is about where I would expect the Flacco contract would reasonably end up.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
The sad part is
If he wasn’t picked by the Ravens he would more than likely be in the same position Derek Anderson is in now.
If you look at that list and say Joe Flacco fits somewhere in the middle, the average of that group is 5.8 years / $80,142 ($13,865/yr) with $30,570 guaranteed.
If you remove the 5 Super Bowl winning QB’s, the average of the "2nd tier" of 5 QB’s is 5.8 years / $71,804 ($12,369/yr) with $29,800 guaranteed.
Glad I’m not an NFL QB, I make more than they do! 70-80 thousand over 5-6 years? Go play baseball guys!
ha-ha-ha
($000) – but you knew that.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
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