Should Ravens Keep Billy Cundiff?
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintWas the miss in the AFC Championship Game loss enough of a reason for the Baltimore Ravens to cut ties with placekicker Billy Cundiff? One kick should never define a player's value but in this case, it's tough to overlook that 32-yard shank that should have been an easy kick for a guy who made the Pro Bowl just last year.
However, looking at the guy's full body of work for the entire 2011-12 season and you might have a very strong case to move on to another kicker for the coming season. After his Pro Bowl season in 2011, Cundiff was signed to a new contract as his reward for a great season. Unfortunately, he went on to have one of the worst seasons of his career, resulting in one of the worst statistical seasons of any kicker in the entire league this past year.
Billy hit on 26 of 29 field goals (90%) in the 2010 regular season, then bottomed out to 28 of 37 (76%) in 2011. This ranked 29th in the league for starters on the 32 NFL teams. In addition, Cundiff was 1-6 in attempts over 50 yards. Nowadays in the NFL, you have to be able to hit a 50-yard field goal to be considered among the league's best kickers.
Surprisingly, for a guy who led the league in kickoff touchbacks in 2010, you would think he would have the distance in field goals as well. No so, as Cundiff is 5-19 in his seven seasons in the league and 1-9 over his Ravens' career in attempts 50 yards and beyond. Overall, Cundiff is a career 77% field goal kicker, certainly not nearly the expectations the team and its fans had for the guy who many thought was part of one of the top kicking tandems in the NFL last season when combined with punter Sam Koch.
Perhaps the Ravens should have seen this coming before they opened up the Brinks truck for a field goal kicker after only one outstanding season. Looking at his college career at Drake University, Cundiff was a walk-on who said his parents thought he was going to be a basketball player but that God made him a field goal kicker. He basically taught himself through watching videos and ended up setting 15 Drake Bulldog records and five Pioneer League kicking records. However, in his collegiate career, he only made 49 of 79 field goals and missed 15 of his 151 extra-point attempts, an unusual amount for what is almost considered an automatic point.
Many will counter that Cundiff was injured for a portion of the season, which should give him a pass for his inaccuracy problems. Some will say that the team should have called a time-out in the AFC Championship Game when it appears he was late getting out on the field in the confusion of the down and was hurried on the kick.
However, long before the post season, it appeared apparent that Cundiff was not the same player he was the prior season and when he was injured, the Ravens brought in former Cincinnati Bengals kicker Shayne Graham, who hit both of his attempts before Cundiff returned. Had Graham been able to place his kickoffs deeper, there might have been a decent argument to put him on the playoff roster instead of Cundiff and then who knows what the result might have been.
Depending on which Billy Cundiff returns to the Ravens during the off season and into Training Camp, the decision to give him another season in a Ravens uniform should hinge on serious competition to have him prove he deserves to wear the team's colors in 2012. Until then, the jury should remain undecided.
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How can you say that?
Read the article and look at the stats, he was horrible all season and it was long before he was “injured.”
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
everyone is in love with his one good season, the Pro Bowl year. He’s always been an inaccurate kicker, and his biggest plus, leg strength, was nullified away when kickoffs were moved. I still don’t say cut him outright, but we have got to bring in serious competition.
He made a mistake. Let's see how he responds to it in training camp and early in the season
If he’s still struggling, ax him then. At least give him a chance to redeem himself (long way to go for that, but it’s gotta start somewhere) before you cut him now.
He made a mistake.
My reasoning for wanting to bring in competition is not a knee jerk reaction to the AFCCG miss. He was inconsistent all year, and besides one good year, was inconsistent his entire career and was cut from several teams. He has no accuracy from long distance, his accuracy from short to intermediate distance is roughly league average, and his best asset (touchbacks) is negated by the new rules.
We should look to upgrade at any position that isn’t strong, and kicker definitely is not. Throw in potential mental hangover from this past season, and his negatives are quickly outweighing his positives.
by YeahDonnie on Feb 15, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So not true
75% rate is HORRIBLE in the NFL. Other than 2010 and most of 2009, he has been an average kicker AT BEST in his career. The Ravens jumped too fast after the great 2010 season. Look at his stats, there’s a reason he’s been a journeyman kicker. If we want to react to a great season and sign a kicker, then Josh Scobee should be a Raven next season.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 16, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
He’s only had one good season for us. He hasn’t been that great over his career.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
He had one good year and one bad year you act as if he’s been a long term Raven that has been good his whole career and all of a sudden had a bad year. It’s more he was a player who didn’t have a great career, but put it all together for one year and is back to his regular playing level.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
He had one good year and one bad year you act as if he’s been a long term Raven that has been good his whole career and all of a sudden had a bad year
I said it again
Im not really worried what he done in past before became a raven. Cundiff had one bad year it happens to all players but i think its crazy to give up on him now.
Yeah which doesn’t make sense. You want to focus on what he’s done out of seasons with the Ravens and out of the two full seasons he kicked one was good and the other was bad, so don’t exactly understand how he’s proved that his spot shouldn’t even be questioned?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Jazz, you are a little too naive man. You have to count an entire career when seeing if a player has the ability to do his job or not. 1 good year in an entire career doesn’t mean that he is a good kicker.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Feb 17, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
For now yes, but does anybody know how much it would save by cutting him? He signed a decent contract for a kicker and with some FA kickers like Scobee and Prater available I think if we could get one of them for around the same price it could be the better option.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I think they said they would bring in a kicker to compete with Cundiff.
Haynesworth cut again!!!
by Raven_all_day on Feb 15, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
1/23/2011: Signed a five-year, $14.7 million contract. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus. 2012: $2.2 million, 2013: $2.3 million, 2014: $2.7 million, 2015: $3 million, 2016: Free Agent
I think it should come down to a reflection of his stats, and doing what’s best for the team. It might be cold, but it’s not basing it on one kick, it’s a whole season to look at. He can’t make the 50+ kicks, and these can prove crucial in a season… I’m all for keeping him if there’s no better option out there… But not keeping him for the wrong reasons.
Agreed. That’s why I mentioned above if we could get Scobee or Prater for a similar price than I would be all for it. We just don’t know how Cundiff will respond to all this. Definitely will see some competition in camp and if he wants to stay around he will have to earn it.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I’m still wondering if it was a good idea to release Grahm right before the playoffs to make room for Bynes I think? With Cundiff’s injury and shaky year I wish they would have kept Grahm around as insurance and like you said, extra competition to keep Billy on his toes.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 15, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Graham on the market in the first place because of how incredibly un-clutch he is?
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State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
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Yes, but as insurance, why not keep him? We swapped him out for Bynes (I think) who may have only played a few snaps on kick coverages. If anything else it motivates Cundiff to not get his ass benched and watching Grahm, or anyone else, taking over his job.
Personally, I think Cundiff will be alright. Needs time to clear his head and work back towards his 2010 form. Having time to rest his leg will be good. I’m sure the team will have someone compete with him throughout camp to push him. Not sure we should just give up on him so quickly.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s one. Of the 2 at their respective positions. Bring back Cundiff or bring back Evans… I would go Evans 10/10. Big call in the most WR ready draft/FA in a long time but I think he could do something special if he uses last year as motivation. He must the most frustrated man in NFL right now…
by AtticusStapesy on Feb 15, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
but I think he could do something special if he uses last year as motivation.
I feel the same about Cundiff. Keep in mind that was his 1st miss in the 4th quarter all year. Yes it was a huge miss, but that is still a pretty nice stat.
Billy is our kicker, no doubt about it.
"Picture Me Rollin"
I think part of what made him a great kicker though was his big leg. the problem is he’s not very good on long kicks which kind of negates that strength. I don’t know if it was injury or not, but his kick offs didn’t have the same boom they had the year before as well. I think it’s a little different for a kicker to use a previous year as motivation compared to a position player. Their is really only so much Cundiff can do at this point to get better and the majority of it is all mental. I’m not completely sold he’s our kicker just yet. As mentioned before if we were able to get Scobee or Prater at a similar price then I think we would jump all over it.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Agreed 100%, We need a kicker who’s a Raven (a big mean ugly mofo who gets the job done :)
by AtticusStapesy on Feb 15, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Scobee & Prater
No competition if both are available. Prater had a longer leg than Cundiff but was pretty much around the same percentage (19-25).
Scobee on the other hand, was money all season (23-25), 92% (3rd best starter in NFL. 5 of 6 beyond 50, 12 of 14 beyond 40.
If he’s available, we could get him for half the cost of Cundiff and would be silly not to. Screw the competition.
Also, Graham was much more accurate in those two games, as Billy was pretty bad down the stretch.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Graham was much more accurate in those two games, as Billy was pretty bad down the stretch.
Small sample size, there’s a reason Graham doesn’t have a steady job. There’s got to be a better option than both Cundiff and Graham.
Yeah I can understand why they let Graham go. the whole reason he got booted in Cincy was the choking.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I understand
but he was making kicks from distances, as small as that sample was, that Cundiff was missing. However, Graham was very “Stover-like” on kickoffs.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 16, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
… he could do something special if he uses last year as motivation.
I’ve had similar thoughts. I wouldn’t be upset to see Evans return next season.
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Yeah, alot of talk of Vincent Jackson etc, and a few other expensive mercenaries. Evans owes us and i think he would break his own neck to redeem himself. A few big catches and he’s back on track. With Billy, the kicking game is so fragile I don’t see him coming back from that miss mentally, but if he did it would put a nice touch to next season…
by AtticusStapesy on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Evans non-catch was bad
but just a week earlier he made an amazing one-handed grab in the Texans playoff game. He can get it done, just has to be at a much cheaper price or buh-bye.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
A nice pick up in FA would make me happy. Kickers are like golfers, it’s a mental game. If they lose confidence they go wayward… Some people have gone heavy on supporting him and loyalty, which would be great, but to be frank his stats are not reflective of as good a kicker as Ravens deserve… that’s just where I stand on Cundiff. And even in his pro bowl season he didn’t make 1 kick over 49yards. Last season his long was 51 yards this season and he was 1 for 6 on 50+, His completion pct is 76%, leaving him 30th in kickers… not good enough.
It definitely is a big mental thing like you said and the only worse scenario than missing a kick to get to the super bowl is missing one that would have won it, so it’s a huge mental hurdle he has to get over to return to form. I personally don’t think we will ever see the Cundiff from two seasons ago and he makes decent money for a kicker, so if he doesn’t convincingly win the kicking battle I think it may be best to let him go.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Tell me that Cundiff's face and demeanor after that miss
didn’t remind you exactly of Stevie Hauschka. Looked like he was going to hurl at any second.
Although Hauschka played pretty good for the Seahawks and booted five against us in that nightmare loss.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
haha to be fair Bruce...
he looks like that all the time (not being mean, he seriously always has a concerned look on his face, with those eyebrows lol)
No, I wasn't being funny
both were swallowing, gulping and had that deer in the headlights look that Hauschka had after missing that field goal in Minnesota a few years ago.
Funny thing is, one of the few guys Cindiff was better than last year was my guy, Graham Gano, although Gano hit a bunch of 50+ yarders.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Gano
Reminds me of Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn from “Major League”…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
On a seperate note, Joe Adams could answer a lot of questions in special teams. Fingers crossed he falls to us in later rounds…
Yup, did a story on him a couple weeks ago. I’m completely sold on him. Hopefully he falls to us between the 2nd-3rd round. I’d be thrilled. But his Senior Bowl game he played great, and if he runs a 4.3 in front of scouts his value will sky rocket. He WAS under the radar, but now everyone is taking notice.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
"53 Mighty Men of Baltimore"
by WestminsterRaven on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m looking forward to this draft much more than usual. So many ways they can go in first round including trading back… McPhee was a nice pick up in later rounds last year. I reckon there’s another gem coming in the post this year too. Grubbs returning would be a great boost, i don’t see the front office leveraging too much tho… It’d take a specific structure to Flacco & Rices contracts to fit him in…
by AtticusStapesy on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
BPA
if hes the best kicker we got, keep him. if not, dont.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Cundiff
People fail to realize that it (the miss) was not the fault of the kicker, but of the COACH… I’ll explain, there was ONE time out left on the board for the Ravens that no one called. Now, I don’t know about you guys but everytime that I have seen Billy get ready for a field goal there is a ritual that he follows.. this man was clearly rushed by an over excited head coach.. Some good that time out is doing us in the off season… Our COACH froze…NOT the kicker
If we’re playing the blame game, it should go Cundiff than Harbaugh. NFL kickers should never miss 32 yard kicks plain and simple. He didn’t just miss it, he SHANKED it. Also, kickers are taught to call the timeout if they feel rushed.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
Yeah, Harbaugh should have called the TO - No question but
Cundiff still had enough time to make the kick and should have. It’s on Billy. While he alone didn’t lose the game, that miss was all him.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Stop it
It’s a 32 yarder. Cundiff has the power to call a timeout if he felt rushed. It’s a 32 yarder. Harbs trusted Billy to make it. It’s a 32 yarder. THIRTY TWO YARDS. That’s automatic at the NFL level. I love Cundiff, but that’s all on him.
I hope he returns and has a Pro Bowl year again. We’ve seen it.
Totally agree
about the miss, that is. Not keeping him. Sorry, but he needs to go.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not keeping him. Sorry, but he needs to go.
Gonna bea lot of unhappy Ravens fans this offseason it seems. Keeping Cam around, keeping Cundiff around, and possibly keeping Evans around.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Cam is the only mistake there
Evans can’t come back at his current price, but I’d gladly keep him, and Cundiff has never been a good kicker, people are too in love with 1 Pro Bowl season. He’s not terrible, but we definitely need competition in training camp.
1 ProBowl season he got because of his leg being able to put balls out of the back of the endzone. He failed miserably at that this year even when it was needed.
I think he got cocky since he got the new contract and thought he was the next Stover.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
That could be part of it
got a nice contract and got comfortable. I think he just had a career year and then went back to being the player he was most of his career.
2010 is an anomaly. His career FG% is 76.7. 2010 it was 89.7. 2011 was 75.7. This past year was the “real” Billy Cundiff, and I’m surprised Ozzie let one year cloud his judgement and give him a big deal for a kicker.
Make them all compete for the job
and not base it on one or two kicks. When Hauschka beat out Gano (I know, here we go again), Stevie had 6 pre-season attempts and Gano only had 3, so they gave it Stevie as he was the “incumbent” back then.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 16, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ridiculous
he had PLENTY of time. The kick was not rushed at all, and if it was, Cundiff himself would have called the timeout. I don’t know why people keep bringing this up.
Either draft a kicker with our very last pick, or sign a UFA to come in and compete with Billy. Don’t just cut him outright.
No rookie kicker please.
Tons of FA’s and a bunch better than Cundiff. Scobee, if a FA, is a beast of a kicker.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
We have a Super Bowl window here
putting that important of a position in the hands of a rookie would scare me.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 16, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I dont blame nothing on Cundiff for missing the kick in the playoffs it happens and it wasnt the game wining kick either.
I thought it was crazy that the ravens couldnt get a touch down to basicly end the game and they couldnt get a touch down right after the special teams players made a good play for a fumble/ fumble recovery against the patriots.
Some Historical Perspective
Scott Norwood, who infamously missed in the 1991 Super Bowl, did come back the following year for the Bills. However, he was most certainly not the same kicker as his percentage dropped seven points form 69% to 62%. And he was gone after the 1991 season, never to kick a football in the NFL again.
Not saying the same thing will happen to Cundiff. The best thing for Billy would be to kick a game winner early in the season.
But I agree the Ravens need to draft a kicker or bring in a FA (not Graham) to push Billy.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
But I agree the Ravens need to draft a kicker or bring in a FA (not Graham) to push Billy.
NEVER, EVER, EVER waste a draft pick on a kicker. It would be nice to have a Matt Stover again for years to come, but even the most accurate kickers in college sometimes come to the NFL and don’t have the mental makeup for it. Plus, the way Ozzie finds gems in the later rounds, why waste a pick on a guy who is only on the field a few plays per game?
Really?
You are telling me, that had they been available, you wouldn’t have spent a seventh rounder on a Janikowski, Vinatieri, Gostkowski, et al?
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Ok 7th rounder....maybe
but that’s a BIG maybe. Some of the most accurate kickers in college have come to the NFL and bombed out. for the 3 guys you named, there are dozens with stats similar to, or better than, theirs in college who couldn’t cut it in the NFL. Maybe they don’t have the mental makeup, maybe they don’t have the work ethic…whatever it is, NO kicker is a guarantee and using a draft pick on them is a gigantic risk not worth the meager reward.
Still can’t believe Janikowski was a first rounder lol
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
That Was The Result
Of (the still currently deceased, but resurrectable) Al Davis.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Any FG %-age below 80-85%
is not NFL-worthy, IMHO.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 15, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Moot point…he already has one foot out the door. Once the competition starts, he is as good as gone.
by Evan Skev on Feb 15, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if houshka gets the boot for a regular season miss kick this mofo our for screwin the franchise. get rid of the lazy lee evans too. make a statement- you puss out you GONE.
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lazy?
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 15, 2012 8:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I knew Cundiff had a bad year
but didn’t realize how bad until I looked up his stats. He was 31st in the NFL in kicking percentage. It was not just a bad year, either. He was only 1 percentage point lower than his career average.
I’ve gone from the “sign some competition” camp to now thinking he should be cut outright. Bye bye Billy.
Yeah, his stats makes for bad reading… He is due top kicker money next year. Over 2million. I’d like to see them turn the page on it, and get a guy with bottle for half the price. Especially when we all know where the salary cap space can be used elsewhere. We need an improvement at pass rush but the Mario Williams talk is a pipe dream. He’d want 13 -15mill a year. McPhee is on 500k. I’m excited to see how McAdoo looks next season after a year in the weight room… He has so much upside it’s crazy.
by AtticusStapesy on Feb 16, 2012 5:25 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you!
That’s my point. Look at the stats, both for his career then look at the NFL field goal stats by percentage.
Trust me, you’ll say “ouch!”
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone who thinks cundiff will be back in Baltimore after shitting away a whole season is sniffing some dundalk glue.
Bye billy…good luck in retirement
by Evan Skev on Feb 16, 2012 6:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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