question for Ravens fans, regarding salary cap
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 12, 2012 12:21 PM EST
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PrintI hear that you guys are in a good cap situation..Are you guys going to sign RR to a long term deal? If so, at what price? Flacco, he is still working on his rookie contract..I hear that Ravens owner, Mr. Bischotti is looking to sign Flacco long term...what numbers are we looking at? !0ml per year? What about Ben Grubbs? Will he be signed? JJ, is he an UFA? Once you pay RR and Flacco, how does it look to sign the other guys? The strength of this O-line is up the middle, Yanda, Grubbs and birk, who is retiring?
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I hear that you guys are in a good cap situation..
$8.5 million under the cap at the moment. We get $1.5 million more with Ricky Williams retiring. If or when we cut Dominique Foxworth and Lee Evans, we will be just short of $19 million under the cap.
Are you guys going to sign RR to a long term deal? If so, at what price?
Yes. Price? Not too sure. The franchise tag just doesn’t make sense. I would expect around 5 years, $35-42 million.
Flacco, he is still working on his rookie contract..I hear that Ravens owner, Mr. Bischotti is looking to sign Flacco long term…what numbers are we looking at?
Bisciotti and Ozzie are going to get that deal down. I say around 7 years, $60-65 million.
What about Ben Grubbs? Will he be signed?
Probably not, but could be franchised.
JJ, is he an UFA?
Yes, still unsure of whether is stays here or not. Ravens fans certainly want him back though.
Once you pay RR and Flacco, how does it look to sign the other guys?
Probably not so good, we will most likely see a bunch of new faces in here next season. But we saw 20 new players on this roster this year, and had our best season yet. So not too worried if we have to get rid of some role players, we always reload. Our “Capologist” is also one of the best in the business, Pat Moriarty. So not worried about under spending or over spending. We will get what we can pay for.
The strength of this O-line is up the middle, Yanda, Grubbs and birk, who is retiring?
Birk is most likely gone. Yanda is around for a while. Grubbs….no one really knows. Most likely bringing Gurode back to play Center for a year or two.
"Picture Me Rollin"
I am not trying to cause an issue
but what are the chances Ray Lewis retires? If he does will that free up a lot of cap space?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not as much as you might think
$4.95M in 2012. But he’s coming back so don’t get too excited.
Ed Reed is actually the bigger cap hit ($10M) in 2012. Expect him back for one more year too.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
Flacco will get much more than $8-9M a year
More in the $12-14/year range. Rice could def be Franchised, while I doubt Ben would be or even signed. I could see JJ returning, but he’d have tovtake a home team discount, as I could easily see him in Indy with Pagano.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 12, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Flacco and Rice
Agree with Malor on Rice – somewhere in the 5 yr/$7-8M/year range.
I think he’s low on Flacco though. I’ll guess more like 6 yr/$68M range and definitely averages over $10M/yr.
We’ll sign Grubbs unless some other team throws crazy money at him. Which probably means he won’t be back.
I think JJ will be back. He wants to be a Raven, the Ravens want him, so they’ll find a way.
Birk should retire and Gurode will be given first shot ($3M/yr range) to come back. If he tests the market, I won’t be too surprised to see us bring in another vet on a one or two year deal. If we lose Grubbs, I could see making a run at Hardwick on a longer, more epensive deal since I think it will be easier to address OG in the draft than center.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
I feel Rice will get $40 to $50M…he is a top performer on a team that desperately needs him to continue to perform
Flacco? He is going to get paid… And it may not be in Baltimore. $80M over 7
These are two of many young stars in Baltimore.
pitt continues to abuse the cal credit card with the restructurings…at some point they will pay for it. As it is, whines hard is gone…along with many others …just to get under the cap
by Evan Skev on Feb 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And it may not be in Baltimore.
Oh, it will be in Baltimore. Wanna bet $80 million?
"Picture Me Rollin"
Betting pool
I’ll get in the betting pool, but absolute $ are tough since the length is not known. I think we should go with average per year (including bonuses).
Put me down for $11.3/yr.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
11.3 is a really good guess … I guess 12.4
by Evan Skev on Feb 12, 2012 7:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Read it again…then give it another try…
Malor, I love Flacco and i see him staying in Bmore and getting $80-$100M. He may not stay…depending on how this Caldwell hiring goes… and whether Cameron and Harbaugh remain as coaches. Next season will dictate
by Evan Skev on Feb 12, 2012 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think the number will be THAT high. I think $80 million will be the top offer, but expect him to get around $65 million.
He is definitely a franchise QB, but hasn’t won a SB yet. He isn’t going to get Peyton Manning, Brady, or Ben money simply because…….well he is not in their class yet.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Flacco is a top QB… I think he’s the best QB in the AFCN. Maybe next season he helps bring the Lombardi back to Baltimore then signs for $120M
Joshua, not sure what’s stuck in your rectum…
by Evan Skev on Feb 12, 2012 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe next season he helps bring the Lombardi back to Baltimore then signs for $120M
The Ravens are not going to risk letting a young, successful QB with no personal issues (like many others) hit the open market. Just is not going to happen.
He is going to get a contract within the next few months. And $120 million? I hope the team is not that stupid. $60-75 is what he is going to get.
"Picture Me Rollin"
i say 80 or 85
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 12, 2012 7:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with JackMc on the number….
Malor, Flacco may not want to come back… Hopefully he signs really soon
by Evan Skev on Feb 12, 2012 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My Salary Proposal to Flacco
Signing Bonus: $21M in 2012
Option Bonus: $12M in 2015
Roster Bonus: $2M/yr in 2013 – 2018
Guaranteed: $31.5M
Salary/Cap Number:
2012 – $4M/$7M
2013 – $4.5M/$9.5M
2014 – $5M/$10M
2015 – $5.5M/$13.5M (Option Bonus kicks in)
2016 – $6M/$14M
2017 – $6.5M/$14.5M
2018 – $7.0M/$15M
That would be a 7 yr/$83.5M contract and $11.9M average per year.
If Flacco has not proven worthy by 2015, you cut him before paying the Option Bonus and also don’t have to pay Roster Bonuses in 2015-18. You have $12M of signing bonus to eat though.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
by Fandemonium on Feb 12, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
dude you know your shit
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This Is Very Good
I think you are off by a mil for the average, as I think Flacco is going to command and get closer to $13M per year on average. So my summary would be 7 years at ~$90M -basically all the same numbers as yours, just add $1M to each.
Great post! (it will now be green)
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"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I think he’s the best QB in the AFCN
Ha
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Even if you think Ben is better now,
We both know he is not getting better, younger, or healthier, while Joe is still OT close to reaching his potential.
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 12, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, Ben still has a lot of room to improve. In fact, if he can get out of his comfort zone and use more short routes/checkdowns instead of going for the deep ball every play then his stats should drastically improve. Just because he’s 30 doesn’t mean he can’t improve.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
He hasn’t shown improvement in years… znd anytime you start with an “if” … well… You know
pitt is in trouble with roster turnover, payroll, OC issue and the QBs attitude problem
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure if your are insane enough to believe the crap you type or if you’re just trolling me.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
In what parallel universe does calling someone insane serve as a rebuttal to their claims… Your homer glasses prevent you from seeing reality…
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Every QB has the room to improve. If we got rid of Cam and stopped bombing the ball down the field on every other play, Flacco’s completion percentage would have been in the upper 60’s – low 70’s.
Your “ifs” are difficult because Ben hasn’t really done them so far in his career. The possibility is there for him to learn how to do it and actually change, but the likelihood is that nothing changes dramatically if at all positive.
Flacco is only entering his 5th year and has shown great improvement every year (even this year regardless of his stats) while Ben seems to be hurt more frequently and off target more frequently than in years past. Not saying Ben is done by any means, but I think its easy to see he is heading on the backside of his career overall.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ben injuries are definitely a concern
He did show in at least one game last season that he can play the short game and very effectively. Three keys for Ben this year, imo:
1) get on the same page as Haley and work with him.
2) Stay healthy (this is as much up to the o-line as Ben but Ben is a contributing factor with his decision making).
3) Keep Wallace and get the TEs (Miller and Saunders) more involved as receivers (this is more to do with o-line development than Ben).
I think Ben can be a better QB. Hopefully we will find out in 2012.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 23, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
best in the AFCN?
I like flacco, but really???
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 12, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see Flacco showered with championships, do you?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 13, 2012 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
Today,
And heading into the 2012 season, Ben is the man. Potentially, after the 2012 season, if Ben has a down season, and Joe Cool improves upon his 2010 numbers, and maybe gets a ring, then you might be able to have this discussion going into 2013. But that is a lot of If – Then statements…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I think he was the man four years ago… Flacco is the man now.
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It isn’t easy to get an accurate statistical representation of an athlete who participates in a team sport. There are so many variables…
I choose rothlis in 2008 and Flacco in 2012
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this was actually Flacco BEST year..
BB was injured and missed one game and still had better numbers than flacco. God forbid(not really) BB gets a REAL O-line..It will be curtains for the rest of the league!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
this was actually Flacco BEST year..
hmmm not really cause 2010 was his best year but Flacco did seem to make more plays throwing the ball last year.
2011 flacco clearly took more control and put the team on his back more
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’d say 2010 was Flacco’s best year. Rice and the running game couldn’t do much that year. Flacco carried the O.
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no he didn't..
RR did!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 14, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
RR didnt drive us down the field against Pitt and Arizona
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ray Rice had a better rating than Flacco last season
And you’re debating with a pitt troll… By definition, a pitt fan isn’t interested in discovering a truth…they only want to win debates by any means necessary…and then gloat about “6” whenever possible
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hold On
A sec, if you are referring to nycsteelerfan as a pitt troll, that is really not fair as nycsteelerfan has been pretty good for the most part. Much better than some of the other squeeler fans that truly troll these boards…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
By definition, a pitt fan is a troll… And most of them are bandwagon fans… a small minority are yinzers
They think pitt is just the best at everything… Baltimore is just terrible… Flacco is a failure .. they have no respect for Baltimore and they can all kiss my ass
by Evan Skev on Feb 15, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this post has shown nothing but respect for our team and class on her part.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 15, 2012 8:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 3 recs
Here Here!
Absolutetly!
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
thank you!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 18, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Statistically I would say 2010 was his best, but this year I think Flacco has grown in the fact that he consistently played well against the top oppenents which has plagued him a bit in years past which I think is huge for his development. I expect Flacco to keep building on it and only getting better as our young offense grows.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
pitt fans live in their own special world… It is comical
rothlis is looking average… He is uncoachable and prone to tunnel vision in the clutch
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
tunnel vision in clutch?
!0-4 post season, 22 4th quarter victories?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 14, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
When is the last time he did that against a good team? Maybe you missed last years super bowl and the entire 2011 season…
Indy, Browns and chiefs gifted victories… In the super bowl he was lousy during the game and looked like a rookie in his last drive…
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re right, Evan…a coaching hire could influence Joe leaving. And Harbs may not remain as head coach because we’ve had no success with him. Genius!
This is the internet… And you’re starting to sound shrill
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanx for the reply!
Flacco has to get 10ml, think that is the going rate..RR, 8mil? He is better than Chris johnson, who broke the bank!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 12, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
that’s the exact reason that Rice doesn’t get paid like CJ. I remember hearing at the beginning of the season a lot of experts talking about how this will be the end of those massive long term contracts for RBs because of how CJ was performing. A lot of it will be incentive based (health, touches, etc) and front loaded just in case he hits that RB wall.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
A little off topic
All teams can roll over the previous year’s cap space in the new CBA with no penalties.
Even the minimum cash spending wouldn’t be affected.
Every team should do this.
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Scratching my head
According to this article, the Ravens have $6.18M of remaining 2011 cap space. That seems to defy everything we read heading into the season that we were just at the cap limit. But if that is true, then prospects are brighter for signingsome of our FA’s.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
Baltimore has a ton of money left over and more coming when cuts are made… There is so much talent on that team
And.in 13, thx cap rises dramatically
by Evan Skev on Feb 12, 2012 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, I thought we were around 2 million under the cap last year.
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The payroll and cap numbers change from season to season… So last season’s numbers have no bearing know this year’s reality… see pit for a great example… Half a million under last year… $20M over this year
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Click the links in my comment two above. Cap numbers can matter from the previous season.
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I am still trying to figure those links out. I have read tons of cap articles about Baltimore and other teams, but have not seen one of them mention what the PFT links focus on.
It seems like a myth if you ask me. You would think by now that we wouldn’t be the only ones discussing that.
"Picture Me Rollin"
Florio was a lawyer before he started PFT. He knows his stuff. We’ll see Feb 28th if any team is going to use this to their advantage.
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Oh, I believe Florio. Just finding it strange that he is the ONLY one I have seen bring this up. It just seems like too good of a situation for some teams to not take advantage of it.
"Picture Me Rollin"
The Bucs have rolled over their Cap space.
Ozzie, submit the paperwork!
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Great find!!!
I can rest easier now knowing that this can happen. After our cuts and all, we will be sitting at around $18 million or so. If we rolled over last years cap (which I see no reason not to since it isn’t THAT high of a number) we are approaching $25 million in cap room.
We current have $105,936,286 on the cap I believe (might have messed up the # crunching) If we add $6.18 mil from last year, we will be sitting at anywhere between $20-25 million it seems. That seems like a good amount to work with. We may even be able to bring in a big name FA if Grubbs ends up going elsewhere.
"Picture Me Rollin"
priorities MaLoR
We need Grubbs more than we need any Free Agent mercenary.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree, but since we already gave Yanda big $$$, just don’t see us giving Grubbs the same thing, possibly more. Would love to.
Anyway, who needs pass protection when you can just throw it to Boldin, Torrey, Jackson, Owens, Moss on every play?!?!?
"Picture Me Rollin"
I agree, but since we already gave Yanda big $$$, just don’t see us giving Grubbs the same thing, possibly more. Would love to.
Yeah, it sucks. Grubbs is most likely gone. He’s just gonna command too much money for the Ravens to justify keeping him. I see us drafting a C in the early rounds, playing him at G for a year, then letting him take over at C the next year.
Cap number is only part of the equation. Salaries rise & fall from year to year…depending on the player and the team’s payroll situation.
Further, no one knows this year’s cap yet
by Evan Skev on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am a little confused by this. If this was so beneficial to each team, than why aren’t we seeing this talked about more and seeing teams jump on the chance to do this? A franchise like JAX has nearly $32 million extra cap space, so what would stop them from using it all this off season on top of what they already have and signing EVERY big time Free Agent out there?
I need to read into this a little more, the salary cap has always interested me.
"Picture Me Rollin"
'Tis true
I knew there were teams way under the cap this year – it was one of the reasons the Players Association negotiated the rule that by 2013 (?) teams have to spend at least 9x% (forget the exact figure) of the cap established for that year on player salary. It is specifically to prevent cheap teams like JAX from keeping the revenue. But they gave those teams a few years to catch up so they would not be forced to overpay for FA’s just to make the minimum. So yes – JAX can go sign a bunch of players.
"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
Couple comments I found interesting from the 3 stories
Just wondering, if say the Jags or Seahawks carry over 20 million it would raise their cap to 144million. But wouldn’t playing one year at 20million above the Cap cause huge problems for the future?? I would see this being useful for teams to carry over 2 or 3 millions but going crazy over the cap seems like a bad idea.
When the 89-percent per-team spending minimum kicks in next year, the threshold will be based on the unadjusted cap number. And so no amount of carried-over cap space will increase the amount each team must spend on a rolling three-year average, as of 2013.
As I said on the other one, wouldn’t playing one year 20million over the cap cause cap problems the next year when you have to go back down to normal. That would seem like a pretty good reason not too carry the full amount over.
Not necessarily if you use it correctly. You could use that money for a bunch of 1 year deals, or if you really can keep rolling it over you could use it for a decent 4 year contract for someone. Look at it this way: You’ve got $20MM Left over, you give someone a 4 year contract that pays $5MM a year, you’re essentially getting that player without having to take any sort of cap hit. Another way you could take advantage of this is by frontloading contracts: Instead of giving someone a 4 year $14MM contract that pays out equally every year you can structure it so that it pays $10MM in year 1 and then $1MM in each remaining year. Thus for the last 3 years of the contract you’re getting a player for almost no cap hit.
There is no downside to this arrangement for teams that have a lot of cap space left over.
They may carry it this year, but in 2013 the minimum(floor) spending kicks in. If they carry over the excess cap $, doesn’t it force them to spend it instead of keeping it? If so, I doubt the small market teams would do it.
This will be the only year this is a big deal (because the floor cap rule doesn’t kick in for another year in 2013.) This year there is still a cap floor rule, but it’s that every team COMBINED, not individually, has to meet a certain cap floor. So teams can still individually be under the floor as long as the ones at it pick up most of the slack and it all combined comes out to the floor number.
And as one commenter pointed out…
All this is telling me… Mario Williams… Vincent Jackson… say hello to…. Jacksonville!?
"Picture Me Rollin"
The Bengals have the most cap space
Along with two first round draft picks. They are going to be the tough team to watch, getting better with a very solid young nucleus for years to come, while the Steelers are on the precipice of falling apart due to age, injury and cap issues.
aka 'Rexx'
while the Steelers are on the precipice of falling apart due to age, injury and cap issues.
But their fans will tell you that William Gay and Ryan Mundy are reading to take over.
"Picture Me Rollin"
they’re going to have trouble beating flacco with gay opposite Taylor
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 12, 2012 11:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The bandwagon is going to empty …quickly
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
while the Steelers are on the precipice of falling apart due to age, injury and cap issues.
Age? Yeah, their defense might be old and they might not be able to replace certain veterans (although I think the Steelers can), but their offense is young and only has room to grow. And we all know that the league is becoming more and more offense-oriented every year.
cap issues
This quote shows me that you have no idea what you are talking about. The Steelers were $25 million over the cap, and they have already cut $18 million in spending and they have only released two players, neither of which were starters.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
You have to be more respectful if you want to be welcome on a rival blog. This includes not calling people stupid.
Now… I see how you could interpret the pitt contract restructuring as spending cuts but they are not. Do your homework and come back to discuss cap issues. It’s a complex discussion but very interesting.
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 1:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Go to school, learn how to read and right, and them come back and tell me where exactly I used the word “stupid”.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Read right …read left… When you tell someone they don’t know what they’re talking about…
Anyway…great response…
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really think I’m write or are you being sarcetious
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m an aminal
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok, I’ll give you that one. It still doesn’t change the fact that you are completely insane (and a troll).
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Give me what? Restructuring a contract isn’t a cut in spending… the cuts are coming
Whines, smith, Hampton, farrior and more… Mendenhall? Starks? Using the credit card two seasons in a row now…and hoping for three best… Glad colbert isn’t in Baltimore… It will be a disaster
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 4:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Colbert were here, we would have 16 LB’s on the roster with a starting O-Line of Adam Terry, Chris Chester, David Hale, Justin Borren and Oneil Cousins.
"Picture Me Rollin"
… a starting O-Line of Adam Terry, Chris Chester, David Hale, Justin Borren and Oneil Cousins.
Cameron’s scheme would be exactly the same, and fans would still bag on Flacco for holding the ball too long.
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State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
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With That
O-Line?
The fans would not be raggin’ on Flacco as he would have been permanently disabled lllooonnnggg before fans would have had a chance to boo…
Harrison, Woodley and Troy would be tri-DPOY’s just be virtue of the padding of their stats by going up against that line twice a season… In fact, if you want to talk ripple effect, even Keisel would have padded his stats so much by virtue of those two games that he would no longer be a Steeler as they would not have been able to afford to pay him, given his stats…
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"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
It’s a complex discussion
Then why are you here?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
by Riddlah. on Feb 13, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Restructuring a contract isn’t a cut in spending… it’s a mortgage on future seasons, poopy
Zing…….yeah
by Evan Skev on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
still
the fact that you will remain over the cap after am 18 million dollar cut isn’t really a good sign.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
A pitt fan must spin everything into a positive… It’s entertaining
by Evan Skev on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could really see KC picking up grubbs if not resigned by baltimore for a large salary.
fits our zone blocking scheme and we really need a LG bad. nicks doesnt really fit our scheme.
Owner
I have heard it argued that the Bengals owner will use this as the last year to print money before he is forced by the salary floor to spend more money. If he decides to commit to building a great football team rather than getting richer then the Bengals could be a force.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
All that needs to be said....
In Ozzie we trust. He cut 3 key starters last year and we improved. Sit back and watch because the Ravens Front Office works magic.
To Answer
The original question, Flacco gets a new long term deal and Rice is tagged (Rice will get a new deal next year). JJ is gone (most likely Indy as every DC to leave Baltimore takes at least one person of note with him) as is Grubbs (to KC maybe as someone else suggested?). I think Evans gets restructured and we go from there.
We do not tag Grubbs because it would be too much as tags for guards are the same as tags for LT’s.
Given what I have stated above, I believe we sign the rest of our UFA’s and RFA’s that we want to keep.
Assuming Grubbs leaves, the only FA’s I see the Ravens acquiring would be on the O-Line as any significant WR’s would be too expensive given our cap situation. Given the supply/demand issues with the 2012 NFL FA market, I think there will be value to be had in O-Linemen.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
JJ is gone (most likely Indy…)
Not sure why everyone thinks he’ll end up in Indy. Pagano would love to be able to change that 4-3 defense into a 3-4, but the personnel isn’t there to make that switch. Even if they were to switch to the 3-4, an OLB would be one of the last positions they would need with Freeney likely manning the OLB on one side and Mathis on the other. The likelihood of them going after JJ depends on what they do with resigning Mathis (whom has already been mentioned as being on near the top of Isray’s “resign” list).
you guys could be in cap hell..
depending on RR and flacco…RR deserves CJ money, and Flacco can and will get 10ml..
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
Nah, the positive we have is that Flacco’s deal can be spread out over a long term deal. We have some guys retiring in the next few years that will free up a significant amount of cap space, so we can afford to sign guys now, but make sure they get paid in a year or 2. Chances are we will end up cutting a few guys that we all would rather keep just like we did last year, while securing our stars and picking up a few FAs that maybe are a little undervalued for a good steal.
I think we at least stay as good as we were this year in our talent pool and have another year to grow together as an offense and improve a bit…. all while still being under the cap.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Rice won’t get CJ money. At first it sucked seeing CJ and AP get those contracts, but look what happened to both. CJ had by far the worst year of his career and AP tore his ACL. Ozzie wouldn’t give up that type of money for an RB in the first place and now after their seasons he definitely won’t get that much. Probably 8 or 9 mill a year. We won’t be in cap hell though. We are already about 10 mill under I believe and if we cut Foxworth and Lee Evans that is about an additional 9 mill. We are fine we have one of the best in the business when it comes to the cap.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
you guys could be in cap hell..
Ozzie’s going to have to work some magic, and there’s definitely going to be some tough decisions on both sides of the ball, but I don’t think “cap hell” is going to accurately describe our situation. I think the post-Super Bowl time period was a major learning experience for Ozzie.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
to call me a troll is very unfair..
I know most you guys hate the steelers..yeah, why not? But to say I am a troll is VERY unfair. I give my HONEST opinion, though you may not always agree, but it is MY opinion. Didn’t I ALWAYS defend Flacco on this board when YOU guys were killing him?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
indeed
youre welcome here
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Feb 19, 2012 11:07 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
also..
when u guys kicked our butts on opening day…Didn’t I congratulate you guys? Does that sound like a troll to you? If you guys don’t want other opinions, please ban me from your board…No hard feelings!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
You're always welcome here
don’t take what one or 2 people say as a representation of the whole group here.
Making love to pitt fans… Makes me laugh
You guys are too much……
by Evan Skev on Feb 18, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not going to automatically hate someone because of what team they happen to cheer for
if a Steelers fan comes here and is respectful and wants to talk football, it adds a nice outside perspective to the conversation. If they start acting like assholes, they should be banned. nycsteelerfan has done nothing to wear out her welcome, there are a few good Steelers fans who come here.
I respect that…and i feel differently. Go read some of their boards to see how they feel about Baltimore. No respect for pitt fans… No hate… But 0 respect
by Evan Skev on Feb 19, 2012 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hey, they can do whatever they want on their board
and i don’t expect them to take offense to whatever we say here. Anyone who doesn’t like hearing shit talk about their team shouldn’t go to their rival’s blog
They rag on Baltimore… rag on Flacco… rag on RayRay… Most of them can’t find pitt on a map… And they have Baltimore envy… They got ripped in week one and gave no credit to Baltimore… Instead they went on and on with crying about Baltimore cheating… Flacco and torrey
by Evan Skev on Feb 20, 2012 2:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whipped them at home in week 9 and banished them to Denver to get Tebowed. Still no respect… I have k use for them and I laugh at Baltimore fans who think they can tslk football with haters
by Evan Skev on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
like I said
they can talk all they want on their site, as long as they don’t bring that bullshit here.
Some of the Steelers fans who come here have a lot of knowledge and always have pretty good conversations…at least the regulars. The ones you talk about are the ones who only show up here when something goes their way.
I don’t see how you can distinguish between one pitt fan and another… But that’s your biz
They can come here and try to act normal but they’re all one inbred, mouth breathing semi-human entity to me.
by Evan Skev on Feb 20, 2012 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
about the second game..
most steeler fans more more furious about arians, tomlin and sushsam than bad mouthing Flacco!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 21, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Malor, where r u?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
malor..
I am respectful?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
by nycsteelerfan on Feb 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
LMAO!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States
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