Ravens Not Taking Applications for Offensive Coordinator
Well, here we are folks. It’s the start of the off-season for our Baltimore Ravens and the news keeps coming in as swiftly as the franchise changes. By now, everyone is aware that former defensive coordinator Chuck Pagano has moved on to become Indy’s new head coach with former linebacker’s coach, Dean Pees, filling the newly vacant DC position. I’m also sure that most fans have heard that the Ravens plan to keep Cam Cameron as the offensive coordinator which will now be his fifth year leading the Ravens’ offense.
Despite early indications that Cameron would not return next season as the Ravens’ OC, the team has decided that his return next year was what would be best for the team. Most fans don’t agree, and in fact I’m fairly confident that given a poll, I’d expect about an 80/20 split amongst fans with about 80% in favor of Cameron leaving the franchise. General consensus has been that Cameron’s play-calling is questionable, in-game adjustments are few and far between and that the offensive scheme is predictable and doesn’t quite fit the current personnel.
To be fair, those are all valid points, even if they are merely from a fan’s perspective. But it’s not just the fan’s that have questions. Many respected voices within the NFL have spoken up about the controversy surrounding Cameron’s style, with Greg Cosell saying: "Watching their tape is like watching the 1960’s. One wide receiver to each side, isolation routes. No bunch sets, rub routes."
Before I go any further, I will admit freely that I have been just as critical of Cameron and his running of the offense as many other have been. But, I’m going to take a chance here and try to spin the news of Cameron being retained as a good thing and try to put it into a positive light. Please, don’t get too furious with me and follow along after the "Jump" to see what I’m getting on about.
Right, on to the positives: For starters, with Cameron remaining at the helm, the Ravens will be able to hop straight into training camp and get to work. Although many have questioned his offensive system, in my opinion it will be better to go into training camp with the personnel having a grasp on what’s going on rather than having a new offensive coordinator installing a brand new scheme. The Ravens seem to be right on the cusp of having a phenomenal offense, so my question would be, why change now that the team is so close to it’s ultimate goal of a Super Bowl berth? Installing a new scheme takes time, and with so many young skill players on offense after the veteran turnover from last season, this gives the younger guys a chance to pick up where they left off instead of starting all over again. With a full training camp for Smith, Pitta and Dickson to work with Flacco, I expect that we’ll see much better results in 2012.
This season, many Ravens skill position players dealt with injuries all year. Boldin was playing on a torn-up knee for most of the year, and Lee Evans missed significant time nursing an ankle injury which forced rookie wide-out Torrey Smith into a starting role. Injuries happen and they certainly aren’t the fault of the offensive coordinator. With time to heal, I expect better production from the passing game next year just by simply getting healthy during the team’s time off.
With the passing game being the part of the offense in question, I expect the running game to remain dominant with a main combination of Vonta Leach paving the way for the most complete running back in the NFL, Ray Rice. It’s no secret that the crux of the Ravens’ offense is Rice, and in the few short years he’s been with the Ravens, he’s proven that he can do it all and put the offense on his back if need be. I don’t see any reason why that should change next year. With Ray Rice in the backfield, the offense will continue to improve and move forward to bigger and better things.
Having said all I have thus far, perhaps the biggest reasons why I think the Ravens will be just fine are because:
- The Ravens have made the post season for the past four seasons with Cameron running the offense, and if not for a dropped pass or missed field goal last week in Foxboro, maybe retaining Cameron isn’t even a question at all. I know exactly what most are thinking as I’m writing this as well; it’s the defense that has carried the team this far every time. While there is probably some truth to that, the offense has been able to do their job and put enough points on the board to win games consistently.
- Ozzie Newsome believes that this is the best decision for the team. Rarely, if ever, has the Ravens’ brilliant GM ever made a questionable decision and he is an enormous reason for the team’s constant success. I have faith that he’ll always make the best decisions for the team’s future.
So, there we have it. Whether or not any of us believes that Cam Cameron has it in him to lead the Ravens’ offense to greater heights, we are simply along for the ride and have to see how this all shakes out next year. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’ve completely lost my mind, but I think that with some fine tuning, a few extra wrinkles and time for Joe Flacco to work with his receivers, that the Ravens’ offense will be just fine.
So before the torches and pitchforks show up, I’m going to go draw my shades, turn off my lights and barricade the door, but thanks for reading!
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My take on Cam.
Really smart x’s and o’s guy who does a great job of preparing for a team, however when the plan doesn’t seem to work well as you mentioned I think he struggles to make in game adjustments. While he does make some questionable calls, it’s really the system I really dislike more so than Cam. As many of us have debated before there’s just too many pieces needed in order for it to be consistently successful. Even the Chargers who run a similar system and actually have the pieces get very inconsistent with it at times. With that being said I do think we can improve still. We have a lot of talent on O and there are certain things like drops, missed assignments, etc. that can be corrected. We got as close as you could get to the big show this year with the offense and we just need to get a little more consistent to get over that hump. I don’t think Cam is the right guy to maximize this offense’s potential, but I still think we can get it done.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 28, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would just also like to add that I have really enjoyed yours as well as lastcallbmore’s writings. You two have done a great job of writing on topics many of us love to discuss in the threads and I feel have really helped the overall quality of this blog. Keep up the great work.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Off topic, but just thought I’d mention that I’ve seen more Ravens fans out here in Utah AFTER our loss than I’m accustomed to. Its a hell of a fanbase when you still see fans sporting the purple and black even after such a disappointing loss, whereas certain mustard and shit colored fanbases tend to hide in their caves after a loss. Win or lose I’m proud to be a Ravens fan.
by StuckInUtah on Jan 28, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As a matter of fact I’m at work wearing a Ravens T shirt at work right now lol
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Not a day goes by that I’m not wearing a shirt, beanie, hat, hoodie, etc. But I’ve just been surprised at how many others I’ve seen lately repping the Ratbirds.
by StuckInUtah on Jan 28, 2012 10:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree with your comments, AV
about lastcallbmore & Westminster Ravens’ addition to the site. Great content and writing style, along with mix of involving commentary on their topics. Proud to have them here!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 28, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
This pretty much sums up my feelings
Our offense is pretty good with him, but that’s mostly because we have so much talent, I could be OC and they’d still be serviceable. The true potential of this (passing) offense will never be reached under Cameron.
Greg Cosell saying: “Watching their tape is like watching the 1960’s. One wide receiver to each side, isolation routes. No bunch sets, rub routes.”
this is the same guy that said he dont know why the ravens use there two tight end so much . I wish i could had a chance to see the tape
If you read the article he talks about how they just aren’t as productive as Gronk and Hernandez and that it makes your offense a lot easier to defend when you are running a 2 back and 2 TE set as often as we do especially when the receivers struggle to get consistent separation. Like we said before Jazz this is one of the more respected analystys when it comes to breaking down film in the NFL. The guy is really good at what he does and it really was a great article that I actually agree with. Our offense is very predictable and easy to defend and he makes extremely valid points.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Like we said before Jazz this is one of the more respected analystys when it comes to breaking down film in the NFL.
so does that make him right every time he saids something?
If you read the article he talks about how they just aren’t as productive as Gronk and Hernandez and that it makes your offense a lot easier to defend when you are running a 2 back and 2 TE set as often as we do especially when the receivers struggle to get consistent separation
I read the article and he definately question why the ravens use there two tight ends not because its easier to defend
Cossel said this:
The problem for the Ravens, as opposed to the Patriots with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, is that Pitta and Dickson have not shown the necessary receiving ability that validates such extensive use of 2 TE personnel.
I know Dickson and Pitta are not patriots tightends but to say they havengt show the necessary receiving ability that valiates such extensive use of te personnel is dumb to me. I could be wrong because im not a nfl flim guru
He also says this in the next paragraph after the TE’s.
Another feature that stands out watching the Ravens passing game is how little they do conceptually to attack and break down man coverage. When your receivers cannot consistently win, you have to help them with specific tactics. Wide receiver motion, bunch concepts, stack release principles, rub elements – all help loosen and defeat man coverage.
That is why he says their play doesn’t validate such extensive use because while they have done a good job they aren’t making our offense unstoppable because of it. He never said they should never use both together just that it shouldn’t be used so extensively when our guys on the outside can’t consistently beat man coverage. I’m not saying everything he says is right, but many of us have said similar things to this prior to the article and then you have an unbiased outsider who’s respected league wide say the same thing and you still get so defensive without really saying anything other than you feel the offense can get better if they work hard.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I tend to agree with your analysis
and think Pitta should be the go-to guy like Gronk and Dickson the “Hernandez-type” of player. I’d like to see Cam emulate the Pats and let’s run Dickson out of the backfield like they did with Aaron!
Hmmm…I might be onto something…
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 28, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I see it
I thought the main issue with Dickson is that he can’t catch. Until you fix that, he is never going to be a great offensive option.
It's a consistency thing to me
For example, the first three series were horrible and cookie-cutter pre-set and “DO NOT CHANGE FOR ANY REASON” pre-game scripted plays that just didn’t give the Ravens the chance to get off on a strong foot. The third down draw that knocked us out of FG position in the 4th quarter were lame and gutless calls. The rest of the game was pretty solid and well executed. He needs to play that same complete 60 minutes just like the players do. If he can, there’s no reason why this team with him at OC can win the Super Bowl. Of course the complete game is the entire question.
aka 'Rexx'
In Oz we trust
Although offense has never been our strong suit, if Ozzie things bringing Cam back is best for the team than I’m all for it. But like Bruce said above, I question his consistency and predictability, and he also needs to do a better job of utilizing individual player’s talents.
by StuckInUtah on Jan 28, 2012 10:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I fully expect to take some heat from writing this, but I thought we could look at some of the positives. Everyone knows I’ve been critical of Cam overall with his game plans and awkward play calling. In fact, I’m still trying to wrap my head around that draw play like Bruce mentioned. Why on Earth did Cam think that was a good idea?
But, I really do think that if Cam wises up, and uh, stops trying to be so smart…..that the offense will be fine. Just have to have faith. As a fan that’s all you can do.
Thanks for taking the time to read without wanting to take my head off!
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 28, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
We all know
if the Pats were in that same situation, as well as the Steelers, Saints, Packers, Giants (get the idea?), they would have taken the risk of passing for the first down and not hope to gain a few yards for the FG.
That’s my issue! Go for it, Cam!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jan 28, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Westminister, it was agood article. i enjoyed reading it a lot.
I am sorry that you felt that you had worry about your head for writing it. We aren’t the steelers fans:-) You are right it is good to have the continuity with Pagano Leaving. But like you said with all the Rookies and young talent this might have been a great time for a change than having a veteran offense in grained in a system have to make a change. That being said Your points are valid and maybe over the offseason with Joe having such a great game and the few times this season that he did put the team on his back this season he and Cam can sit down and work out a plan that gives Joe a little more freedom while staying true to a plan. Like which has been said a few times this post and o9n other posts Cam needs to start writing his game plans on something other than stone. Again great post it makes me feel a little better about next year.
It is what it is
Nothing I say is going to change the fact that Cam will still be our Offensive Coordinator. Cam’s “Goldilocks” system is frustrating to say the least, and his play calling can be downright atrocious. Here’s to hoping he improves on both of those.
Saw this comment elsewhere. Guess what the first play from scrimmage will be next year?
Rice up the middle. I will be SHOCKED if it is anything different.
Do we know what Brady’s first play from scrimmage will be? Rodgers? Ben? Brees? Rivers? Nope, and that’s exactly why our playcalling is terrible. If we can predict the playcalling from our couches, imagine what the NFL minds can predict.
We do know that his second pay
will be Torrey long!
My one bug-a-boo is that every time Rice gains 20 yards on either a run or pass, he always gets the ball on a run up the middle and NEVER gains much on the very next play EVERY damn time.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jan 28, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
So I take it the general feeling
is that Cameron is not getting as much out of the offensive talent as he should? That is to say, the general consensus is that a more creative OC could have the Ravens in the top 10 of the league offensively? Do you think it is possible that Cameron comes back next year with a more creative plan, or do you all consider him to be pretty inflexible? If he is able/willing to change things up a bit, it would be interesting to see how the offense does. Frankly, even if the Ravens continue to have a slightly above average offense, (as they did this year) that is still good enough, in conjunction with a great defense, to challenge for a SB every year.
Cam is cam… It’s tough to believe anything will change. This is not a formula for winning… It’s an exercise in futility.
by Evan Skev on Jan 28, 2012 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not even about creativity, he's shown plenty of that
his system just doesn’t fit our personnel, and he refuses to adapt and run something that would be more efficient for the players we have.
Interesting news. Former OC, Bruce Arians, set to become Indy’s OC. I guess he wasn’t “retiring” after all. So, a former Raven DC and a former Pitt OC working together to rebuild that mess up there. Hmmmm. This has all the makings to be a “reality” TV show.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 28, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions
Arians was fired on rooney’s orders… It’s been in the news since it happened. Rothlis wasn’t happy about it.
by Evan Skev on Jan 28, 2012 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow that means the ravens definately have every opportunity to go after hue jackson to be either the quarterback or wide receiver coach.
There was reports that the colts was interested in hue jackson
Of all people to offer Arians a job…your old DC is the last I’d ever think of. He has seen it first hand what, like 7 or 8 times?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
He should have took Cam
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
If only
but anyone who works with Cam up close knows how terrible he is. Harbaugh just refuses to see it
I think it’s a mistake keeping him but bisciotti loves harbs and harbs loves Cameron. What’s interesting is that harbs & cam rolled zorn under the bus last season and now the ravens are bringing a QB coach back.
I have lots of respect for bisciotti and oasis but this is a head scratcher and i won’t be watching games next season unless I read that things have changed…since coaches and philosophies haven’t changed, I don’t expect any good news.
As for Flacco, I pity him. He has the skill set but is hampered by a terribly out of touch coaching combo.
by Evan Skev on Jan 28, 2012 3:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And the thing that's disheartening for us is that we KNOW Joe wants to do more with the offense,
He gives subtle hints every now and then about how he wants to finish off a team when he has a lead instead of grinding out wins, or how he wants the game to be on his shoulders. At this point, what will it take for us to get a new OC, honestly? Do we really HAVE to have a bad year in order to get a new one? Because our team will be built for success regardless. Does anyone else get the feeling if Flacco had a great game against Houston and not so great against the Pats, we might have a new OC?
I have lots of respect for bisciotti and oasis but this is a head scratcher and i won’t be watching games next season unless I read that things have changed
thats a good thing cause that means you wont be on here yaaaaaaaaaaaay lol ( just joking)
have lots of respect for bisciotti and oasis but this is a head scratcher and i won’t be watching games next season unless I read that things have changed…since coaches and philosophies haven’t changed, I don’t expect any good news.
As for Flacco, I pity him. He has the skill set but is hampered by a terribly out of touch coaching combo
Ravens fans like your self keep saying the coaching combo or what ever is terrible but every year it seems the ravens go to the playoffs and the lose not because of coaching flaws but players not executing like they should but the blame still gets put on the coaches. I guess ravens players are just perfect and coaches are imperfect .
Every year ravens fans complain complain complain about the same oh thing its either the coaches arent smart enough or cam cameron needs to go but we still go to the play offs and for some reason the perfect players that we have just mess up in a perfect way.
Well said J-dub. Although I will admit that I’m guilty of putting most of the blame on the coaches.
by StuckInUtah on Jan 28, 2012 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cam needs to evolve as an OC. Ozzie made a bad call if we see the same tempo, playcalling, and tendencies as the last three seasons.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
even with all that they still go to the play offs and players dont execute when they should.
They can say what ever about cam but his so call terrible play calling has never kept the ravens out the playoffs and just about ever play off game the players on offense was not able to get it done consistently to get the ravens team into the superbowl

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