DC Chuck Pagano Heading to Indy as Colts Head Coach
"To get him in position to be a head coach, one year as a defensive coordinator was plenty."
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Or LB Coach Dean Pees, former DC for the Patriots.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Pees was 2 in points and yards allowed with new england. Just seems like a better fit than brooks
by lsg2131 on Jan 25, 2012 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The positive about Brooks though is that he understands that pressure on the QB means everything seeing as he is our DL coach.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
True. They’ll make the right call. This is what we do. Cycle through dc. Don’t think we’ll kiss a beat
by lsg2131 on Jan 25, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Won't be Brooks
Pees is the obvious choice,although I wouldn’t rule out bringing in someone else with solid credentials and a tie to either the Ravens or Harbaugh.
Here’s the related story on BaltimoreRavens.com
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Would love to see Del Rio back here. He is a hell of a coach, there is a reason he was kept around for so long during a dismal tenure in that JAX organization.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Yeah I like pees. He did a great job with the pats.
by lsg2131 on Jan 25, 2012 4:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It would suck if we lose Chuck Pagano AND Cam Cameron is resigned. Basically the total opposite of what each and every person wants.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Lol
yeah. That would suck
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Son of a Bitch!!!!
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions
Dean Pees resume as New England DC
2004-09: (with New England)
2009: Pees led the Patriots’ defense that ranked 11th in the NFL in total defense (320.2 ypg) and fifth in scoring defense (17.8 points per game).
2008: New England’s defensive unit ranked second in the NFL, allowing just 309.9 yards per contest…Patriots surrendered 19.3 points per game and earned an 11-5 record despite using 22 different starters on defense.
2007: NE’s defense contributed to the first 16-0 regular season in NFL history…Defense allowed 274 points (17.4 ppg) and ranked fourth in the NFL in yards per game (288.3), which were the fewest permitted by a Patriots’ defense in 28 years…NE finished second in the league with 47 sacks and sent three starters to the Pro Bowl (LB Mike Vrabel, NT Vince Wilfork and CB Asante Samuel).
2006: In his first season as defensive coordinator, Pees’ defense set a franchise record for points allowed per game (14.8), which was second in the NFL…Defense also tied for fourth in the NFL in takeaways (+8).
2005: Tutored a linebackers’ unit that featured three of the defense’s top five tacklers and accounted for 22 of the team’s 33 sacks.
2004: In his first NFL season, Pees mentored a linebacker group that produced three of the team’s top four tacklers…Defense ranked sixth in the NFL against the run, while the linebackers recorded 27.5 sacks…Tedy Bruschi finished second on the team with 128 tackles and earned his first Pro Bowl selection, while Willie McGinest paced the defense with 9.5 sacks.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
He got let go after the ravens stomped them in the wild card round
by lsg2131 on Jan 25, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hell of a resume there
Baltimore Blast - 6-time MISL/NISL Champions
Let's go Blues!
by UIWWildthing on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ray Lewis Coaching Tree
Marvin, Nolan, Rex, Pagano, Billick- at least owes his second contract to Ray.
Del Rio, Singeltary.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
And Del Rio for that matter
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
This hurts you guys
I thought Pagano was the 2nd or 3rd best defensive coordinator in the league. Hopefully this affects your team next year. Also, will this change your draft strategy this year?
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions
Not really sure why that would be off the table. The guy worked and did a good enough job to get an HC job for a decade.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
This hurts you guys. Hopefully this affects your team next year.
That’s been said every season since we lost Marvin Lewis, and the defense still finishes top 5 every year. Even under Greg Mattison (our worst DC) we still had a top 5 defense. We will move on and dominate the league on that side as usual.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Depends on who you hire and how you replace the aging players
same questions with the Steelers, except we won’t be replacing a DC. Both teams need to replace star players on the defensive side of the ball.
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ray, Ed…….who else? We have already seen glimpses of what is possible without those guys, and it was actually a better defense statistically when those two missed significant time.
Our defense is young, VERY young.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Imagine if Jimmy comes on strong and we have Webb in full-beast mode next year.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
We’ll arguably be a better defense next year. A lot of our bright spots on defense this year came from young guys. I think we’ll be just fine for some time.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Most teams are happy to see 1, maybe 2 young guys on their defense blossom into what looks like a damn good starter down the road.
Our defense saw that type of insane talent appear all of a sudden out of guys like McPhee, Kruger, McClain, Pollard, Cary, Jimmy, Webb, Cody, etc. We have a shit ton of guys who have legit shots at being stars in this league.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Yeah look at a guy like McPhee… something like 6 sacks in severely limited playing time. That’s insane. All those guys you mentioned are step up players right now and all could truly start for this team.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I love the elite potential we saw out of Jimmy this year. Dude is just a play maker. He may never turn out to be a #1 Corner though…….and that is simply because Webb is a freaking beast! Which I have no problem with at all.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
and Malor, I am being serious bout having to send me an email with your BPA list
if you don’t do it, you aint the GM
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Calm your nipples.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I just want you to have to type my email address in to your computer
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN talking about Pagano possibly trying to bring
Reed/Ngata/Suggs or some combo of the 3 with him to Indy. I though Suggs and Ngata were signed long term?
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:46 PM EST reply actions
Well I am just wondering
Because I figured it was just ESPN being ESPN and being dumb as usual. Didn’t Ngata get an extension or was he franchised? And isn’t Suggs signed for a few more years as well?
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, both Ngata and Suggs will be Ravens for life.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Could take a guy like Johnson though
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 25, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
If you guys took Jarrett Johnson
I would cry.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
I meant Colts, not Steelers
But I would love Johnson in Black & Gold. If I had to guess, the only way he leaves BAL is for Indy.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 25, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Funny.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
yeah
Hey Chuck, you’re not Rex Ryan, and they aren’t free agents.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
And Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard aren’t exactly the same caliber as Suggs and Ngata……but that’s just my opinion.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
You will eat those words
He is AWFUL
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
he's joking
I think
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
That was not him
but actually, I would love to see you guys hire Arians. That would make our path to AFC North titles so much easier
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think we all saw this coming.
Still sucks, I loved Pagano. I trust Biscotti, Ozzie, and DeCosta will figure out the best match. We might be with a new offensive and defensive coordinator, it’s ridiculous how things change so quickly. Please get Hue Jackson as Flacco’s QB Coach!
I don’t know about the rest of you, so maybe this is just me. I’m getting kind of tired of this being a “stepping stone” or factory for other teams to cherry pick our best D coordinators. The overturn is crazy and I hope we don’t regret not locking up Pagano.
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You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions
Wouldn’t matter if you guys tried to lock him up, No way a DC job can give him the money and power a HC job would.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
LOL
but yea, locking up a coordinator a la Jurrah Jones is pretty dumb
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Welcome to being a successful NFL team
Just look at our turnover:
DC: Crennel, Pees, Belichick,
OC: Weis, McDaniels, Belichick, O’Brien, McDaniels
FO: Pioli, BB, Caserio
Not to mention the myriad lesser staff that have moved up or moved on. Rob Ryan. Brian Daboll. Eric Mangini. Thomas Dimitroff. Pete Mangurian. Brad Seely. Joel Collier. Jeff Davidson.Mike Woicik. Markus Paul. Lionel Vital. Keith Kidd. John Hufnagel. Sean Gustus, and Dom Capers.
And Jason Licht may now become GM for Chicago.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
doesnt take much to see this guy is frontrunner/bandwagon to the max...
lakers and pats… great combo
by (adm)iregary on Jan 25, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about the rest of you, so maybe this is just me. I’m getting kind of tired of this being a "stepping stone" or factory for other teams to cherry pick our best D coordinators.
Agreed. It pisses me off to see a guy like Dick LeBeau staying in Pittsburgh year after year when he is clearly one of the best football minds in the league. Why can’t we just get a guy like Chuck to stay around for 10 years?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
good DC or OC does not always make a good HC
I think it’s funny how teams fall over coordinators thinking they will be the next great head coach. Just because someone is a kick ass accountant doesn’t automatically make them a good CEO. Pagano kept the status quo in Baltimore. He didn’t create that defense. He maintained it. He might be great guy, DC and even HC someday. If I was picking a head coach, however, I would look for an innovator – someone that turned something around on a lower level. Look what Harbaugh west did in his previous positions…
Pagano will be fired in 3 years if Manning doesn’t come back… They will suck. But hey, 3 years probably bags him 7-8 mil.
Hate to say it, but completely correct. The guy had 1 good season as a DC and I don’t think he has a lot of background as a top guy in an organization. If Manning isn’t back, he’ll end up as his bitch until he retires.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure the Colts string of moves are saying “Peace out Peyton”
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Signs are pointing there, that Manning won’t be back. But if that’s the case why not get an offsensive minded coach geared towards grooimg Luck to be their next “Peyton”?
Maybe they’re just going to focus on gearing up the D to carry the team until Luck adjusts.
I’m just pissed. The loss, now this…..uuughhhh.
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You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
thats why I am thinking they are bringing back Manning. Let him run the offense and bring up Luck and let Pagano be a glorified DC.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
??
They fired the GM and his son for Christ’s sake, why the hell would they do that if they planned on doing what the GM was going to do anyway?
Reports are they’re going to draft luck, and keeping Peyton would tie up like 50% of their cap between those two players alone. 1% chance of that happening.
I say 1% because Irsay may just be that stupid.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
They fired them for not having a plan after Manning. From everything I’ve heard about the situation, it was totally more about just not having a plan at all and resting on Manning being there. I’m also saying that the owner is just a moron that got lucky for so long and has no idea what he’s doing.
They might shop Manning around to see what they can get, but teams probably won’t throw a ton of picks at them for him since 1 good hit and he’s a cripple.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
that makes no sense
They would have to take the $28 million cap hit on the day that he becomes eligible to be traded. Basically, they can cut him for free or pay him $28 million to trade a guy who probably wouldn’t command nearly that much on the open market.
I mean I would be astounded if Irsay is really that stupid. Astounded.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
I think they keep him. When the talk first started I remember reading something that talked about the Colts having enough cap space to keep Manning and do what they need to do, but I could be wrong. They can cut him, but they get nothing for the guy in that case. If you are rebuilding, you take the cap hit now and get some extra draft picks (maybe you can fleece the Redskins for 2 1st rounders given the precedence with Oakland and Palmer) to build a better team. At the worst, you are left with one of the best QBs to ever play the game to be a consultant for your 1st round pick.
Also canning the conditioning coach is pretty usual when you can the whole coaching staff and GM. You generally don’t keep that guy regardless of whatever. They did find a new coach pretty fast and he’ll get his guys in there ASAP for sure.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not impossible, but that would be very surprising to me. They’ve basically done everything short of showing up at his house and saying, “Hey Peyton, fuck yourself!”
Maybe the final FU will come by saying “aaaand guess what you’re a gorified QB coach” but I just don’t see it.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
I think it gives them the best situation to be better quicker. It gives them Peyton for a year playing and Luck for a year behind the best QB to play the game. Or at the least, you put Peyton on the trade block for 3 1st rounders and see who bites. You never know what a team like Washington would do since its looking like Shanny is on the hot seat.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
They also canned his strength and conditioning coach. He was working out with him, rehabbing, the next day, bam…his office is cleaned out. I’m almost positive Manning is gone.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
yeah dude
I guess cold blood runs in Irsay veins.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Not a single DC that left Baltimore ever went on to do something special in this league, which is unfortunate for those guys. Rex was close, but then became addicted to feet and now lost his entire locker room.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Marvin has done ok
Hes not in a huge market with a ton of pressure, but to get his criminals to play he certainly has some substance
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
He has a losing record along with zero playoff wins. I am actually surprised that he is still there. But I am glad to see that he has finally gotten a team that looks like it will compete for a while.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Extenuating circumstances.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 26, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
What's wrong with being addicted to feet?!?
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Rough move
But it speaks volumes to what you guys can do that people pilfer your DC’s for head coaching positions.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 25, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions
I guess the ravens to sign jack del rio to be the defensive coodinator but man chuck pagano
really suck for what he did but cant blame him.
LOL Just read this
“Let’s get Hue Jackson for OC and Jack Del Rio for DC… now that they got that whole head coaching thing out of their system, we’ll keep them for life!”
Interesting tidbit: They were considering Montreal Allouettes head coach Mark Trestman
for the job. I’m disappointed that they didn’t take Trestman for a few reasons:
1) Chuck would’ve stayed with Bmore
2) Would be a great promotion for Trestman
3) Would be cool to see a how my city’s CFL coach would fare in the NFL!
Montreal Canadiens///Toronto Blue Jays///Baltimore Ravens
I'm Just Sitting
Here, minding my own business, and I get trucked by this…
ARGH! This Sucks with a capital Lewinsky S…
We will probably promote from within… Could open up an opportunity for Ray to reconsider his “not retiring” statement, knowing full well that if somebody from within gets promoted that opens up an immediate slot for him. Or at least Ozzie may run that by him…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Mmm Monica...
Montreal Canadiens///Toronto Blue Jays///Baltimore Ravens
The worst part of losing Pagano...
…is that there is no way they’ll dump Cam because the disruption to the team would be too severe. I just can’t see Harbaugh letting this happen no matter how crappy an OC Cam is! Ugh!
I get that feeling as well. How many teams lose their OC and DC in the same offseason?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
So, not only did Pagano move on, but Goodell was also extended until 2019. Great.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions
Why does everyone hate Goodell? I really don’t get that whole thing. He’s made strides to make the league safer and cut down on stupid behavior. He’s gone a little overzealous at times, but is that really all that bad. We could always get back Tagliabue
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 25, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not trying to make the game safer, he’s only trying to make it safer for big name QB’s and receivers. He’s also trying his hardest to eliminate defense.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Yeah let’s make the game safer, but have an 18-game season. That’s like saying we should reduce car accidents by driving more. Pretty hypocritical.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Its hypocritical, but the NFL is also a business. He wants to make every game safer while making more money and I understand that. It might be stupid, but he’s trying to appease everyone on that regard.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 27, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
He's a liar, for one thing. He's a hypocrite, for another.
He said the reason the NFL wants 18 games is that “Our fans tell us they don’t like the pre-season games.” That’s true as far as it goes, but he failed to tell the rest of the story: that fans also said in polls that they don’t want the 18-game season, either. There is a proverb that covers this: " A half truth is a whole lie." Goodell is a liar.
He also keeps prating about how concerned he is for player safety. Really? And you think playing an extra 2 regular season games a year will be good for their health? Hypocrite.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
taking away 2 preseason games and turning them into 2 regular season games actually seemed like a good idea for the most part. I don’t think that really hurts player safety since they still play the same number of games either way. If anything, it ends up hurting bubble players that might not have the long term financials to treat injuries. Imagine a guy getting his knee torn apart and getting a nasty concussion in a preseason game that was probably going to get cut anyway… he’ll get coverage for the year, but nothing after that.
I think that was an argument that people were equally on both sides about in the end as I remember a few discussions on this board about it.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the concussion improvments that are being made, that’s great and I can’t believe it didn’t happen sooner. But, I think he tries to control too much and he kind of interferes with the game a little too much. Just my opinion on what I see. The fines have become excessive and he does seem to pick on certain players that might be labeled “dirty”.
On the subject of helmets and concussions….I have a question for science/engineer people out there who read this. Why not make helmets using carbon fiber? And would that at all improve saftey at all as it’s a strong and durable material?
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Remember, making helmets harder just makes them a more dangerous weapon. While they don’t want people to use the helmet as a weapon anymore, it is bound to happen sometimes either due to dirty play or just inadvertent contact due to the craziness of the game.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Neck Braces
I think the NFL needs to start to looking into some sort of neck braces for the players. Most head trauma is due to the sudden stopping of the skull/body, but the brain stays in motion (and crashes into the skull) -the whole Newton’s first law about bodies in motion stay in motion, etc. Some sort of neck brace may cut done on the head snapping…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I agree with all of that first paragraph. I think his heart is in the right spot, but he does tend to put himself in the game a little too much. But if the only real negative argument against the guy is that he’s a little too in the spotlight and he goes after “dirty” players a little harder than the rest, I have no real problem with the guy.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and I hate the idea of sending more games accross the pond. I think that’s a stupid idea and there are plenty of other ways of gaining additional revenue here (like they already don’t make enough). Not to mention taking away home games to certain teams, the positive effect said home games have on local busnisses around stadiums before, during, after games like bars, restaraunts etc.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
^^This.
It’s amazing that the NFL couldn’t take a hint from what happened to the European League, or whatever-T-F they called it.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Yes, it takes away from local revenue. However, it’s smart business for franchises to gain international fans. Buffalo has already been doing this by playing “home” games in Toronto.
A larger fanbase makes more money. The NFL is a business first.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
I know it’s a business first and that’s fine. Expanding to new markets is good for everyone, but why can’t we do that here? I’d also like to see what the avg. ticket pirice for one game over there is compared an avg. home game for a popular franchise here. They can’t be making much in the way of ticket sales, so that only leaves ads and T.V. revenue. I just don’t think they’re actually making enough money off of it to make it worth it.
If the NFL wants to expand, why not put teams in new cities and expand conferences to accomodate? It keeps the money here while giving the audience or fans what they want. I guarantee there are a lot of places in the US that would support their own NFL team like in the midwest where people just pick the closest available team and roots for them. I don’t know, it makes more sense to keep our money and revenue streams on our soil.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t think they’re actually making enough money off of it to make it worth it.
Believe me, they are. You know those Progressive Insurance ads with that horrible Flow chick? Everyone says they hate her, and there’s no way those ads make money for the company. But they do. These companies know exactly what they’re doing. If you see a certain effort that is sustained, be it advertising or expanding internationally, then that means that it is working as planned.
If the NFL wants to expand, why not put teams in new cities and expand conferences to accomodate?
London is a much bigger market, than say, Portland, OR. We’ve exapnded to other markets here, like Jacksonville, and they haven’t really blown the doors off the hinges. Baltimore works well because we love our team, but the UK is just such a big economy in a small area that it would be guaranteed to generate boatloads of revenue. It’s unfortunate, because I think the idea of having a team there that their divisional opponents would need to travel across the Atlantic to play is utterly ridiculous. And think about the disadvantage the London franchise would have: half of their games would be across the pond, many of them on the west coast which is almost the complete other side of the world. It’s absurd but it’s guaranteed to make money, so they’ll do it, regardless of the repercussions it could have for competition in the League.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Also, do you think american free agents are going to be falling over each other trying to sign with a London team? I don’t think so. The cost of living there is astronomical, the pound is stronger than the dollar, and they’ll be far as hell from home.
They’ll make a franchise, it will start off being very successful financially, but the team will suck due to the immense disadvantages of playing 50% of their games in the USA and their inability to attract free agents or resign their own players who would rather live closer to home.
And who here likes the idea of combining British soccer hooligans with a violent game like American Football?
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Taking away a home game is what upsets me the most about it. I would hate for the Ravens to only have 7 games at The Bank. Home field is everything in this league, and losing one makes a huge impact.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Just ask the Steelers this year. They lost a pretty important home game and it cost them a bye, which cost them a shot at another title.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All thanks to good ol' Joe Flacco.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 26, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
but…three of the last six Super Bowl champions didn’t play a single home playoff game. Home field didn’t cost the Steelers this year. Being beat up, not playing well, and a miraculous performance (passing: 316) cost the Steelers the title. You either got the juice, or you don’t.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Well this is a crappy week. Pagano was awesome and knew it was only a matter of time. I agree with others on here that Pees or Del rio would be excellent replacements for Chuck. Best of luck to Chuck.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Most of our DC that left never really lived up to how good they were here. I think Chuck will be different though. He has a great mind set, and is going to completely rip apart that team and build his version of the Ravens. He is going to beef up that offense with size, implement his hybrid defense, play man coverage and blitz, blitz, blitz. My guess is that a guy like Mathis moves to OLB.
He will create a power running game, as well as drafting the so called best QB prospect since Elway. I’ll be rooting for Chuck, by far my favorite DC we ever had here.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Yeah I think defensively they will improve a lot. It could be scary for the South that he has Freeney and Mathis to use.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Hate this. Pagano is good and he's coming to our Division.
I was hoping the Clots would hire Tressel and give us all a good laugh.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
so maybe this needs a new thread, but who do u think we should draft this year
im really hoping for a good linebacker. i think offense is fine for now with the exception of a O-lineman potentially, but i dont think we need to devote a 1st rounder to that. what i would like is a good LB this year and a safety next year…. anyone else dreamin big about tyrann matheau?
I think the ravens should draft a linebacker in the first round like Donta Hightower then maybe
a wide receiver in the second round like jeff fuller,brain quick, and etc
I’ll be having weekly Ravens mocks up within the next 2 months. Just waiting to see all the combine and evaluation go through as well as free agency and which comp picks are given out.
Gonna try to have 1 mock a week for Baltimore with many different scenarios.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Bro send me some links on facebook with any good stuff you find about guys you think we might target. I need to get more into that this season.
Honestly, I’m just incredibly excited to see these last few draft classes keep developing. Torrey, Jimmy, McPhee, Webb, Kruger, Cody, Pitta, Dickson (urgh, stop dropping passes).
Even maybe see if we can develop one of our late round or undrafted RBs into a short-yardage back.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Will do. There are about 10 players right now who I have really focused in on as guys I would love for Ozzie to draft.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I was thinking of doing something similar, but instead focusing on one player per article. Kind of a “player profile” thing. Guys we may target and why. How would they fit into our system/team? That kind of thing. There are a couple guys that interest me that may not have been talked about coming to the Ravens much. For example: Markelle Martin, FS from OSU.
If people would like to read a series like that and it doesn’t interfere with your Mock Drafts I’d be happy to get discussions going by focusing on a few prospects.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Solid.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
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