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Ravens Never Addressed Kicking Problem

Billy Cundiff burst onto the scene last year for the Ravens with his long kickoffs and 89.7 percent field goal average. He made his first Pro Bowl with the Ravens in 2010 and set the NFL touchback record. The Ravens thought they had their kicking problem solved after an unsuccessful attempt at drafting a kicker the year before.

Then in 2011 Cundiff, a long-time journeyman, started to show some chinks in the armor. In week three Cundiff missed two field goals against St. Louis. A stat that was mostly overlooked because Baltimore won in blow-out fashion. Three weeks later most of the doubt was erased when Cundiff connected for five field goals against Houston in week six.

However, then in a game against Jacksonville in week seven Cundiff missed his only attempt. Most people probably overlooked it again as the entire team played poorly this week. Two weeks later Cundiff again missed in Pittsburgh in week 9 and the very next week he missed two of three in a big road loss to the Seahawks. Still the Ravens did not address the problem. Again, maybe the assumption was that because the team played so poorly as a unit that these chip shot misses did not seem to be a glaring problem.

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Still there had to be some room for speculation when three weeks later against the Browns Billy missed two out of three again. At this point I think it was safe to assume that they had a problem. Still nothing was done. Two weeks later Cundiff missed in his only attempt against the Chargers in what turned into the worst loss of the season.

Billy Cundiff finished the season with a 75.7% field goal percentage, well above his 68.7 average. However the alarming part was that the field goals he was missing were not particularly tough. Of course he couldn't hit from long distance either but the short ones were also becoming a problem. What does this tell us? Did Cundiff somehow turn himself into a Pro Bowl kicker or did he just have one above average season? Including the one in the AFC Championship he missed 10 field goals this season. It seems to me that is a lot for some one over ten points above his lifetime average.

The Ravens special teams were a joke all season. The only one that held his weight was punter Sam Koch and it came back to bite the team in the end. The problems were never really addressed. Shayne Graham was brought in for two weeks while Cundiff was sidelined and made all his attempts from what I remember. He was then promptly released upon Cundiff's return. Our return coverage was ranked 31st in the NFL? Come on man...

My point is, this was a problem we should have been aware of. I'm not sure what could have been done but you never know until you try right? Maybe we would have lost any way but at least we could have had another shot at it. Joe Flacco was tearing it up and should have won the game on the play before any way. But almost doesn't cut it. The Ravens never addressed the issue and it took them down in the end.

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I'm giving Billy a mulligan only because he had a PRO BOWL season the year before

I know that might generate some hate, but honestly, special teams SUCKED this year. We need to get a quality punt/kick-off returner that can make an impact… Hopefully David Reed adds some muscle and gets spiderman hands.

Also, people need to stop whining when we put guys like Jimmy Smith on special teams and wonder why special teams lack playmakers.

by fedfan64 on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

I was never a fan of Cundiff on FGs

and we lost the advantage of extra touchbacks when the kickoff was moved up for this season. Not saying we need to cut him now, but we gotta bring in serious competition for training camp.

by YeahDonnie on Jan 23, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind bringing extra competition

but cutting him would be rash and drastic. We know Billy can be accurate. If he struggles early next season, only then should we consider cutting him.

by fedfan64 on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He just missed the biggest FG in Ravens history, and his name isn’t Stover. I can’t think of one kicker who’s redeemed himself after a miss like that. He may get cut.

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by El.Dude on Jan 24, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t know that we should cut him, but I definitely agree with you that bringing in some solid competition would be a smart idea.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

His cap # is $1M

He needs to be cut for that alone. If he was money all season plus kickoffs, perhaps. But now, with a HORRIBLE record ALL season, he unfortunately, must go. Most people will think it was because of one FG, but it shouldn’t be.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

His cap number for '12 is actually

$2.8. Cutting him before June 1st will only save $400k and will create $2.4m in dead money in ’12. Cutting him after June 1st will save $2.2m, causing only $600k in dead money in ’12/

Either way, cutting him will also create $1.8m in dead money in ‘13, and I’m sure more dead money down the line.

Source.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Iwas saying long before yesterday's game

that Cundiff was having a HORRIBLE season, was one of the worst at converting FGs in the entire league this past season (26th?) and since he just got a five year contract, he was probably going to need to be released due to performance as well as salary cap reasons.

Tell me he didn’t remind you of Stevie Hauschka after the Vikings miss/loss a couple of years ago. Kickers are the classic, “What have you done for me lately?” statement. With hindsight being 20/20, the Ravens should have stuck with Shayne Graham, although his kickoffs were “Matt Stover-like.”

Why can’t Sam Koch learn to boom kickoffs?

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by Bruce Raffel on Jan 23, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Why can’t Sam Koch learn to boom kickoffs?

Seriously, it baffles me that you don’t see multipurpose kickers who both kick and punt. It would save a roster spot also.

by YeahDonnie on Jan 23, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I remember reading

that he just can’t do it. He’s tried, and he’s very, very bad.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 23, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even mean just him

all kickers/punters in general. I’m shocked that there isn’t even 1 guy who can do it.

by YeahDonnie on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not like these guys don't have plenty of time to practice it either

all they do is kick and, I assume a little work out. Everyone else has much more to do in practice, and film study. Get your asses out there and learn a 2nd job, people! (that sounded angry, but I was mostly joking)

by YeahDonnie on Jan 23, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember if I've ever seen one in the NFL.

Ferrara tried to do it at UMD this past fall with pretty horrendous results.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This

And he was supposed to be some kicking machine

by kryptonianjorel on Jan 24, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

And as far as I know,

this wasn’t a last minute plan. He went into the season knowing he’d do both, so he had all offseason to get ready.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a feeling that maybe Graham should’ve stuck around.

by Raven_all_day on Jan 23, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The same guy who choked just as hard as Billy in the playoffs which is the main reason why he is now out of a job? Just because he made two 40 yard kicks in perfect conditions once does not mean he was the right choice.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 23, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm. Crap. Pagano is scheduled interview for Colts HC job tomorrow. Per A. Schefter.
The loss was enough, I couldnt take losing him now.

"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed

You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.

by WestminsterRaven on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully they like Jim Tressel more.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so too. Last week the Colts’ front office said they’d have a coach by sometime this week. Tressel has been there for a while now too, so they know what they’d be getting from him. I just hope that Pagano doesn’t move on. I really think he could build upon this year and continue here to create a defense worthy of standing up against the 2000 version. Just look at the secondary’s performance this year compared to lasts. Pagano is a HUGE reason for that.

"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed

You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.

by WestminsterRaven on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be horrible.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Jan 24, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Feel bad for Billy

Class act guy who has one of the most pressure filled jobs not just in football, but in the world. A season on the line, given one chance (not multiple tries to get it done like every one of the 50 players do) and he just couldn’t get it done.

Props to Billy for getting up there right away after the game and handling it like the man he is. Was good to also hear Ray say that he was going to be speaking with Billy right away to make sure he knows that he is not the only reason we lost that game.

Here is to a strong off-season for Cundiff.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

Say what you want about his miss, he’s handling the criticism like a man. He’s not shunning the questions, he’s facing them as any man should. I really hope he rebounds, I like him as a person.

by fedfan64 on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And another thing some people are forgetting is that this was his first miss in the 4th quarter all season. Yes, it came at a bad time, but still a quality point.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Billy was good kicker

they gave him a big contract in an effort to solve the kicking problem. he had a bad year. they couldn’t bring in anyone better. you just had to live with it.

by davver on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

It’s harder to live with when that Matt Stover commercial is always reminding me of the days when anything inside of 45 yards was automatic.

by Mayne_Event on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If I thought we could get a Matt Stover clone I

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by BALT21 on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 AM EST reply actions  

would cut Cundiff now

best tackling team in the NFL, most physical and just dominates people. When we walk out of the tunnel and out of that locker room, we expect to shut people out and play great defense - Ravens DC Chuck Pagano

by BALT21 on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

how about a QB?

lets be honest….what they need is an elite level QB.
it isn’t a coincidence that the 2 top tier qb’s went on the the SB, and the 2 average ones went home. it isn’t just about #‘s either…its about leadership and respect. if people like ed reed don’t belive in flacco, do you really think wr’s, the defense and the kicker think they can win with him?

making it to the big game w/ an average qb is a fluke, and since the ravens alread did w/ dilfer, they more than likely will never do it again.

by wfmorton2 on Jan 24, 2012 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

HAHA!

The Ravens were a swatted ball away from the SB with Joe carrying us there. Yea the D played well, but the best player on the field Sunday was…….. Joe Flacco. YUP! He played better than any of the other QBs in the conference games.

Where was Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisburger, and Rivers Sunday? I don’t know either, but they weren’t in an NFL Conference Championship playoff game.

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by El.Dude on Jan 24, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Great point. Please tell us who we need to get. Thanks.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

Where was the single season passing yards leader Drew Brees and the great Aaron Rodgers?? these were two of the best QB’s all season and they lost in the previous round! Flacco may not be elite but is improving. As for Ed reeds comments i have no idea what he was thinking. And i sure have not heard one receiver come out against Joe.

by lbennett71 on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

Cundiff

Cundiff has got to go. You can see the fear in his eyes. He doesn’t have enough confidence anymore.

by Ultrakinetic Brad on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

right before that kick, when he was warming up

you could absolutely see the fear in his eyes, he looked horrified at the prospect of having to kick it. THAT LOSS IS KILLING ME MAAAAAN!!!

by handlogten on Jan 24, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

This is what I'm most worried about.

If that kick killed his confidence, his career is over. Al Del Greco man.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s great. Poor Cundiff.

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by Ampallang on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I was about to make a post on this photo

and probably still will. Saw it earlier today.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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