Baltimore Ravens: Pressure vs. Sacks
The Baltimore Ravens were tied with the New York Giants for second place in the NFL with 48 sacks during the 2011 regular season. Together they trailed both the Minnesota Vikings and Philadelphia Eagles, who led the league with 50 sacks.The Ravens have proved that they can put serious pressure on opposing quarterbacks, getting to them much more often that the opposition got to QB Joe Flacco, who was sacked 31 times during the regular season.
The Ravens defense forced a league-leading 21 fumbles, recovering 11 of them, many of them off of quarterback pressure and sacks. They also picked off 15 passes, good for a tie for 17th in the league and even far behind the New England Patriots 23 interceptions, good enough for second best in the NFL behind the Green Bay Packers' 31 picks.
As good as it is to sack the quarterback, there has never been a QB sack that led to an interception while pass pressure can always lead to the possibility of turning the ball over. Statistics never show the number of pressures a team puts on a QB during the course of a game, nor the results of that pressure and how it turns into interceptions, incompletions and even fumbles off of scrambling attempts.
In the case of the high number of Patriots' interceptions, these can be the direct result of teams facing such an insurmountable task of playing from behind, leading to risky passes that ultimately wind up in the hands of the defensive backs. Teams facing the Baltimore Ravens know they only have so long to get rid of the ball and therefore prematurely throw the ball into coverage rather than get sacked or possibly stripped of the ball.
Therefore, before you only see the number of QB sacks in the box scores and complain about the lack of said sacks, look between the lines and see how much pressure was put on the opposing QB which led to poor passing stats and hopefully the game-changing interceptions. A classic example of this happened last week in the Ravens 20-13 Divisional Round playoff win over the Houston Texans. Baltimore did not officially sack Houston QB T.J. Yates once all game, but pressured him into 18 incompletions in 35 attempts and three interceptions.
Looking at the stats, you can total up the big defensive plays to see how big of an effect that pass pressure puts on the opposing offense, be it through sacks, interceptions, forced fumbles, but not pass pressure. The Baltimore Ravens had 48 sacks, 15 interceptions and 21 forced fumbles. The New England Patriots had 40 sacks, 23 interceptions and 10 forced fumbles. Combined the Ravens created 84 big defensive plays while the Patriots had 73.
Many of these plays were the direct result of pass pressure, which as mentioned earlier, is just no an easily verifiable stat. However, you can look at opposing QB's completion percentage, which can be a result of getting the ball away too early because of impending pressure. That shows in the Ravens defense allowing opposing QB' to only complete just under 54% of their passes against them, good for 2nd best in the league. Likewise, the Patriots allowed a completion rate of over 62%, tied for 23 worst in the NFL.
Want to talk specific numbers like sacks, interceptions or forced fumbles to determine the value of a defense? I'll settle for the only defensive stat that truly matters and that is points allowed. The Baltimore Ravens were 3rd in the league, allowing only 16.6 points per game while the Patriots gave up 21.4 points per game, 15th in the NFL.
As far as the other numbers? Give me pass pressure over sacks any day, and I'll gladly take the forced fumbles and interceptions that result but never show in the statistics.
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I agree and disagree. I think Pressures are just as important as sacks because it gets the QB uncomfortable and like you said it gets turnovers, but sacks definitely aren’t bad either. Pressures don’t always result in Int’s, but sacks always at the very least cause the offense to lose yardage along with potential for forced fumbles. If the QB never even has the opportunity to throw the ball there’s a 0% chance of him making a play. Like I said I think pressure do need to be taken into account more because sacks don’t tell the whole picture, but there’s definitely no problem with racking up the sacks.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It has to be true then right?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
it's "Giselle" broheim.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Pitt signs former Ravens QB Troy Smith. Very interesting.
Post Gazzete and ESPN stories on-line.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions
Malor is going to be devastated.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I never knew Malor well or had the chance to talk football with him much….but I think I remember hearing that he has a Troy Smith jersey? Haha.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
you gotta be kidding me. We already have a better version of him on our team. ugggh..
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HA! I wanted to get a Pitt fan’s perpective on the whole Troy Smith thing….
Will he replace Batch or something? Give Dixon someone to compete with? My next one is a serious question so don’t take it as a slight against Pitt. Is it possible that signing Smith means that instead of addressing O Line needs, they’re just looking for another competent back up if/when Ben gets hurt?
As far as Arians, seems like most Pitt fans are rejoicing which makes sense.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 20, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
pitt is a mess… Swept and now signing former Ravens. Who is going to take the OC position? Could get ugly
Ravens are the class of the best division in NFL.
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 5:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The good thing about your senseless ramblings, is the more times you repeat them, the truer they are. Of course, I’m being sarcastic, you still never say anything that means anything.
Except, you are sort of slighting your own team. A team that is so much of a mess still had the same record as you. Sweet! Better address your QB situation before next year.
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That team is a mess buddy… Coaching, payroll, personnel and FO. The OC has already “resigned” and a lot of vets gotta go soon
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so…are you going to cite a source? Back up your statements? Yeah..didn’t think so. Nothing you say means anything to anyone. Not even your family. You never know what you’re talking about, and as I’ve said, the only thing you know less about than your own team, is other teams.
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You can use Google news to read about the OC being let go and about the payroll being about $25MM over after last season’s restructurings
Not sure why you’re hostile about it…
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn’t really back up any of your nonsense at all. The OC RETIRING (not being let go, but I can see how someone like you could get confused) doesn’t make the team a mess, it means they can clean up the mess.
The salary cap thing isn’t even an issue, though I can see how that information is making you all giddy inside. There are players that aren’t coming back next year that maybe should have been gone this year that make up more than that 25 mil, so, that’s just wishful thinking.
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Would you like to cite your claim about the payroll problem being solved by releasing players… And who they are and how much it saves the team
Sounds a little homerish… As for arians retiring, if you believe that, you’re more of a naif than i thought
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why would I feel the need to back up what I say? It’s too much to ask of you, so why should I waste my time?
But, I do appreciate your advanced knowledge of the FO situation regarding Arians departure. Everyone knows, if you want to know the truth, you go to Evan Skev, that same guy that knows nothing about his own team.
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by FrankWyt on Jan 20, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Frank
please give it a rest.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I can’t even guess right now. I thought Batch would retire 4 years ago, but he just keeps on ticking. I would imagine Dixon is gone soon. He couldn’t even beat out old man Batch for snaps when Ben was injured, so something is obviously wrong with him. Leftwich is my choice for backup QB, but he can’t stay on the field, so what good is he.
I don’t think signing Smith means they aren’t going to look in to the O line, I think they just need a cheap third stringer with NFL experience so they have more options should another injury occur. I really doubt he ever sees the field. If he couldn’t beat out Joe Flacco for a job, he’s obviously not good ;)
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Nice little jab in there, ha. I was just curious….it was an interesting FO move, but makes sense given Batch’s age and Dixon’s desire to start/get more playing time somewhere.
Guess those Arians rumors were substantial, huh? Any clue on a replacement….seems like inside hire is likely but what do I know.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 20, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think it matters much because rothlis is the de facto OC. The pitt FO made several miscalculations last offseason and they have to pay for those mistakes at some point. The good news is the cap increases significantly in 13 but that’s only one part of the problem.
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
more baseless claims. Please, give us more. Everyone values your opinions, they are always so full of insight and wisdom (yes, I’m being sarcastic, and yes I think you are slow enough to need that explained to you)
If “miscalculations” lead to a 12-4 record every year, I’ll take it. Then I’ll laugh at the brainless people that call those moves miscalculations.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Great record against terrible competition… and very close to being 9-7 if painter hits a wide open WR, mccoy isn’t sacrificed and palko has a clue…
Why are you angry… Everything I’m saying is common knowledge
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Terrible competition that beat you guys? Ok, I get your point. “very close” means nothing, just more baseless claims. Make all the excuses you want, nobody takes your seriously.
Nothing you say is “knowledge” at all.
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Funny how you make personal attacks but never address the things I say
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
See up there. I don’t need to address the useless things you say, because you just ramble and rattle off nonsense. Why should I do it if you can’t? It’s a waste of time, which, incidentally is how everyone feels about a “conversation” with you.
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You seem to know how everyone feels…how my family feels…
But you can’t seem to give a direct answer… Smoke & mirrors
What a hypocrite
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some things are obvious, people like you are always the same. If it could be proven wrong, I wouldn’t assume.
I will give you a direct answer as soon as you can back up ANYTHING you say, even once. But that’s not going to happen, so, why bother?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
“If it could be proven wrong, I wouldn’t assume.”
Tautology, Nick… Never passes for logic
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No offense, but I don’t think I’ll trust your opinion of what passes for logic. I’m not even sure that you know what logic is.
Where are all the haters?
Welcome to the Beatdown!
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Use a dictionary and give a cogent response
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol. I thought you’d like that! I really doubt he even makes the team. They always sign a shitload of nobodies around this time, and we never hear their names again.
As far as a replacement, I don’t bother speculating anymore, I was sure that Whiz or Grimm was going to be the HC when the big game failure called it quits.
I’ve heard the Packers QB coach is a candidate, as well the current WR coach (Fichtner). I’ve also heard that the next in line for the position was the guy who is in the hospital now that may not make it. Whoever it is, he better be able to design a good plan around a bad O line. There really is no excuse for a team with 4 great receivers, a top level QB and a better than average RB to be that bad on offense.
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Tomlin himself said that there are “two schools of thought” when it comes to protecting your QB
One is to improve the O line… the other is to get more weapons… This is one.of the pitt FO more glaring errors. Following this flawed line of thinking is shortening the career of rothlis
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
more empty words. sweet. I think if you ever actually backed up any of your nonsense, I might go in to shock. You are hot air all day. “flawed thinking”. You act like they named Joe Flacco their unquestioned starter or something.
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I feel your pain… Keep a stiff upper flip, Nick
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How about Ozzie hands you guys a few draft picks and Steve gives you a bank bag with a few million and you guys just take Cam off of our hands….
Seriously though, I’m seeing the same things you’re saying. It seems like Pitt might be high on the Packers’ QB coach. I didn’t realize the staff member injured in the fire “might not make it”. That’s rough and I didn’t know it was that serious, last I heard it was “he might not make it back soon to the team”. I had heard that he was in line for the job prior to the accident. Shame, and I hope for the best certainly
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 20, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I’m not a fan of Arians, I would still take him over Cam. Cam puzzles me, he’s been holding you guys back since he got there. But as I’ve said, he’s my favorite Raven. Even though he has called some good games against Pittsburgh, every other game it seems the team wins in spite of him.
No one knows how Wilson is doing. It’s been 3 weeks and there has been no change, it’s a very real possibility that he doesn’t pull through. Obviously I’m hoping and praying.
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I read the headlines and followed the story about the fire for a couple days and just assumed and heard that he’d be ok and would be back with the team soon. I hope he makes a recovery. Pitt has been through a lot the past few months with that guys story, Arians now gone, Tomlin’s father, the injuries. Craziness.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it certainly wasn’t our year. That’s why I haven’t been going as crazy as other Steeler fans. It’s been a rough year all around, but we still won 8 more games than the Browns, and were competitive in all but two games this season.
But yeah, a couple days ago a statement was released that basically said “no change”.
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he’s been holding you guys back since he got there
thats not even true Cam was alot more creative in 08-09
Yeah as much as I hate Cam he did an excellent Job Joe’s rookie year. I don’t think Cam is bad for a really young QB because he does a good job of keeping it conservative, but I just don’t think he knows how to maximize a QB’s potential.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
One thousand percent.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Stat I just seen on nfl live. Out of all teams minimum of 3 games Brady has the worst qb rating against the ravens. 71.2. Hope they been hearing a little, just a little bit of the negativity how the ravens have no shot and take that and shove it down the pats throat.
by lsg2131 on Jan 20, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
His rating in the last playoff game
against us was 49
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 20, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Frank, Evan
this is absurd. I see that there’s 53 comments on here so I come on in expecting there to be some relevant conversation going on, and I have to weed my way through like 30 more of your senseless back-and-forths.
Grow up.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
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