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Matt Flynn Sweepstakes

Can't wait for the jokers to come out of the woodwork and say the Ravens should make a run at Flynn. Shadow? Some of the others? C'mon, I want to hear the pretzel logic to justify this...

But seriously, in all the hoopla of yesterday with the Ravens securing the #2 seed, Flynn just secured his family's financial future. Come free agency, his grand kids will never have to work a day in their lives.

Star-divide

For review, Flynn was drafted in the seventh round of the 2008 draft. He has now played in three games where he was the main guy, and not just coming in for a play or two here or there. Two were good, one was a stinker. Granted three games is a small sample, but you know NFL GM's will ignore that and just look at this: even with the game he laid an egg, his averages across the three games: 65% competitions, 300 yards, 3 TD's 1 Int and a gaudy 108.1 rating.

If you combine Fynn's other scraps, which total 12 of 25, for 113 and 1 pick which is on par with his lousy game. This brings his stats down to a more "mortal" career of 82 of 132 (62%), 1015 yards, 9 TD's, 5 Int's, and two fumbles lost for a career rating of 92.8. A rough extrapolation for a full season would be ~4000+ yards, 36 TD's and 20 picks -not too shabby. Those are Matt Ryan-esque numbers (for 2011), which would put Flynn as a top-10 QB. I think his agent is already picking out colors for his Bugatti Veyron...

Andrew Luck-schmuck; the real sweepstakes will be for Flynn-! So, who is seriously in the running for Flynn? Two teams jump out immediately: Seattle and Washington. I see Cleveland and Miami as potential dark horses coming up on the outside. Everybody knows that Tavaris is just a care-taker until Seattle decides upon its QB of the future. And he is a proven veteran backup who can win a game for you every now and then. And DC is even more obvious given their screwed-up QB situation and I am sure the two Shanny's love what Flynn brings to the table. Plus I do not think Danny could resist the shiny new toy that Flynn would be.

Cleveland is a bit of an enigma. I have no idea what the coaching staff is doing on the sidelines, so I default to Holmgren. He likes his big-armed QB's (what GM doesn't?). Holmgren may have seen enough of McCoy to come to the realization that McCoy is not the long term solution. And even though there is a reasonable debate that Wallace actually gives Cleveland the best chance to win at the moment, he seems more like Tavaris Jackson mentioned above. As an outsider, I find it difficult to read Holgren. He seems to be attempting to build Cleveland from within via the draft. Is he the type of GM to roll the dice with a high profile FA QB? I don't know...

Miami I have zippy insight because of all the turmoil. Fired the HC and may yet get a permanent coach to replace the current interim. The GM may yet be replaced also. I could see a new GM coming in, wanting to make a splash and put his mark on the organization by making a big FA acquisition such as Flynn.

Some folks may suggest San Francisco. I doubt that because I think Jim Harbaugh is creating his own recipe for success. In many ways he is following the Ravens step-by-step: run first and a stout defense. He may look to bolster the O-line rather than QB. And if he does decide to acquire a QB, I believe it would be via the draft and make him into the QB he wants him to be.

The X-factor is Denver. Elway has publically stated that Tebow is not the QB of the future and I believe NFL defenses are now hip to his shtick. Would they, could they make a play for Flynn? Cloudy at this time.

If I had to pick one organization, I would say the Redskins. They are not going to get Luck. They have the sixth pick and RG3 may fall to them, although many think Cleveland would nab him one spot in front of the Redskins. My gut tells me that Holmgren would rather draft a QB and try to build him up while I get the feeling Shanahan does not want to start over with a rookie. I really think there will be several long drawn out discussions between Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan about whether to go after Flynn, or try to draft RG3 by moving up in the draft. I think Flynn fits better with what Shanahan is trying to do in terms of winning sooner rather than later, and Flynn has a base upon which Shanahan can build upon -no need to go through rookie growing pains which I do not believe Shanahan has the patience for. My inside track I give to Snyder, who has never been shy about making a big splash in the FA market. And Flynn may be too hard to resist.

The opinions posted here are those of the administrator of this blog and his loyal readers. They are in no way official comments from the team, and should not be misconstued as such, even though he thinks he could do just as well or even a better job!

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I think Dan Snyder will bite on this one. And maybe just maybe it would work out.

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by shines on Jan 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree

If someone will open their wallet for a “veteran” QB, it’s Snyder. Skins pick after both Luck ad RG3 will be gone and Landry Jones is not as good as Flynn can be.

On another note, it looks like RG3 will be coming to the AFC North via Cleveland who is picking 4th. Luck will go 1st, both Minnesota and St. Louis don’t want him, so there it is.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jan 2, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be too sure.

The asking price for RG3 is very high, and the Rams need more—not higher—draft picks to build around Bradford. I’d be surprised if they don’t trade that 2nd pick to a team that wants RG3.

And as predictable as it would be for Snyder to bet the farm on Flynn, it would be even more like him to mortgage his team’s future on RG3. Moving up that high, even though it’s only two spots, would be very costly, and very profitable for St. Louis.

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by jackmca on Jan 3, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this could happen as well or vikings if they are sold on Ponder. Especially with AP having that nast injury. Cleveland may have to move up to get him. I hope that they don’t get him personally.

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by AV23 on Jan 3, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont forget that St Louis is getting a new GM and head coach this year. If they get someone that isnt a huge fan of Bradford, don’t rule them out for picking a QB. Brady Quinn can tell you all about that.

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by Mstevens_Design on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the only way I’d be sure the Browns take RG3 is if he is doomed to be an absolute bust.

I don’t see that in Rg…so I don’t think the Browns will take him. They’ll go Case Keenum, Kellen Moore, or Landry Jones with their first round pick

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by FrankWyt on Jan 4, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I think it’ll depend on the draft and I expect to see more trading around than usual with high end talent like Luck and RGIII. I watched several Baylor games and that kid can play. If DC doesn’t take him I’d expect that they make a move for a FA QB. Let’s say Indy takes Luck, cuts Peyton that adds one of the best QBs of all time to hit FA. Someone’s going to end up with tonssss of picks that trades them away to a desperate team. I think Cleveland stays put and gives McCoy another year by drafting some new toys for him. I think the Jets might make a move towards a QB and might mortgage their future for one after the fall out that’s happening with Sanchez, Rex, and Holmes. It’ll be fun to watch.

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by WestminsterRaven on Jan 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

It’ll be fun to watch.

This is all that we can be sure of.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s say Indy takes Luck, cuts Peyton

According to an article in the NFP, Indy has to make a decision on Peyton by March 8th and can’t trade him beofre then. “Manning is due a $28 million option bonus due five days prior to the start of the 2012 League Year, on March 8th. The start of the 2012 League Year and trading is March 13th. Thus, the Colts have to either pay Manning $28 million – which means they will keep him for the foreseeable future – or not pay him, which means he will become a free agent available to sign with any team.”

Bad move by Polian giving Peyton all the leverage (wonder if that helped Irsay decide to fire him?). Guess here is Irsay has decided to Suck with Luck and say Bye-Bye to Peyton.

"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
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by Fandemonium on Jan 3, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m guessing the Polian firing (he killed off his whole bloodline actually) was EXACTLY about the Peyton issue. I.E., Irsay wants to draft Luck but Polian wanted to deal the pick and give Manning a shot to reload with some really high draft picks.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 3, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Poliancide

Agree. And no way is Irsay shelling out $51 M next year to keep both. So he is pissed he gets nada for Peyton. That right there is genocide (or in this case Poliancide) justification.

"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
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by Fandemonium on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

John Clayton says Irsay DOES want both Manning and Luck

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just don't see it

First, I don’t think Manning wants to mentor Luck. Even though his Dad backtracked on his comments a few weeks ago, I believe he showed their honest feelings.

Second, I think Polian wanted to keep Manning since their success was so closely tied together. His firing and Irsay’s “going a different direction” comment seem to indicate Irsay has decided otherwise and Luck is the Colts’ future.

Third, I just don’t see Irsay shelling out $28M for a 36 YO medical question mark. Nor do I see Peyton renegotiating so Irsay can trade him after he mentors Luck for a year.

Fourth are the cap hits. The Colts have a few major FA decisions to make. Draft Luck, take your cap hit next year while the team rebuilds, then you got a ton of money for FA’s in 2013.

Obviously I am just guessing and trying to read the tea leaves, but this is the only path that I think makes any sense given the above data points.

"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
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by Fandemonium on Jan 4, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

First, I don’t think Manning wants to mentor Luck. Even though his Dad backtracked on his comments a few weeks ago, I believe he showed their honest feelings.

I agree with this. But Irsay firing the Polians says to me that he’s going to shove something down someone’s throat, and he doesn’t care if they like it or not. He’s already pissed Peyton off royally by firing them in the first place, so he’s clearly not here to placate Peyton.

Second, I think Polian wanted to keep Manning since their success was so closely tied together. His firing and Irsay’s "going a different direction" comment seem to indicate Irsay has decided otherwise and Luck is the Colts’ future.

Yes, but don’t put it past Irsay to pull a stupid owner move and try to have his cake and eat it too.

Third, I just don’t see Irsay shelling out $28M for a 36 YO medical question mark. Nor do I see Peyton renegotiating so Irsay can trade him after he mentors Luck for a year.

This is easily the biggest problem with Clayton’s theory, but I just saw something in Clayton’s face on TV that made me think he had a pretty reliable source because he looked pretty confident when he said it.

Fourth are the cap hits. The Colts have a few major FA decisions to make. Draft Luck, take your cap hit next year while the team rebuilds, then you got a ton of money for FA’s in 2013.

Again, point well taken.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The Wild Card
Yes, but don’t put it past Irsay to pull a stupid owner move and try to have his cake and eat it too.

Point well taken. In thinking about this, I could not help but compare the current situation to his Dad trading Johnny Unitas to the Chargers. While the circumstances now vs. then vary to a degree, you’re still talking about dissing a future HOF legend.

I guess we’ll see whether or not the apple has fallen far from the tree.

"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare

by Fandemonium on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we’ll see whether or not the apple has fallen far from the tree.

That much is certain.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 4, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

On Twitter, he seems like a decent guy.

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by El.Dude on Jan 5, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe Raheem Morris and Steve Spagnuolo got fired. Smh.

Anyway, I don’t think anyone will trade for Flynn. He’s a product of the amount of talent that the Packers have. The amount of talent that team has is just plain silly. Teams will probably stand pat this off-season because there is depth at the quarterback position after RGIII and Andrew Luck.

by E-ROC on Jan 2, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

No need to trade.

He’s a FA. An UFA if I’m correct.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 2, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, shit. Still, I'd pass.

I just don’t see teams spending on quarterbacks this off-season. The draft is kinda deep at that position.

by E-ROC on Jan 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But if you're Flynn, would you CHOOSE to go to the Redskins?

That place is an absolute trainwreck. Sure, they shovel a ton of money at you, but you WILL not win there, and you WILL get demolished. If he can find a decent team for a little less money, I think he’d take that.

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by BearStage on Jan 2, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

NFW

He will take the most money he can get to be a starter in the NFL. Besides, if a team was good, they wouldn’t go after him, so there’s no “good” team he can go to.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 2, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t mean “good” good – all the good teams already have decent QB’s (except Denver). I just meant a team that would have a decent situation for a QB, like Seattle for example. If a team like that offers makes a good offer, I say avoid the trainwreck.

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by BearStage on Jan 2, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you gotta remember

This guy is a former 7th round pick who was projected to be a career backup at best. If a major, life-changing payday comes around, it’s hard to me to imagine him not taking it. Then again, I said the same thing about Luck last year and Barkley this year, and they both proved me wrong. So who knows.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Pity the team that gives him a life-changing payday

IMO he’s not worth it. I will be somewhat surprised if any team gives him a huge deal like a Kolb or Matt Cassel. Back-up money at best.

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by Fandemonium on Jan 3, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think about it,

There actually aren’t that many teams that are obviously in the market for a QB, and for those who are, they will have their options this offseason. Their options will include, via draft, free angency, or trade, the following:

Jason Campbell
Donovan McNabb
Kyle Orton/Matt Cassel (quite possible they stick with one and deal the other)
Matt Flynn (I know it’s absurd, but it is what it is)
Andrew Luck
RGIII

Now think about who needs a QB. There’s the obvious:

Colts, Redskins.

Then the less obvious for the reasons that they may choose to stick out one more year with a young guy they either just acquired (via draft or free agency) or just extended:

Cleveland, Seattle, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Minnesota, Arizona, Denver, Miami.

You could even throw Dallas into that group since I have my doubts that Jerry Jones really trusts Tony Romo. He can’t be happy with production, but he does seem to like Jason Garrett… sooooo… who doesn’t he like? See what I’m getting at?

Anyway, my point is that there’s really only two teams who are no-brainers for being in the market for a QB this offseason. Then there’s 8 or 9 other teams who are toss-ups, either because they may choose to give their young gun one more chance or because they just signed a guy (like Kolb or Fitzpatrick). So that means we’ll have between 5 and 10 teams, let’s just say, competing for 4 to 6 QBs who are widely considered ready to start today (I’m not saying Flynn is considered that guy, but someone might take that chance on him)(McNabb is obviously past his prime, but you could still do a lot worse in my opinion). It is entirely possible that the demand for QBs in the offseason will be mostly filled, which would be a first in recent memory.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Then consider that there is a very real and likely chance the Colts will bet on Peyton

So only Washington remains on that lock list. Though minimum 2-3 of the other teams will take a QB. (My opinion Cleveland, Jacksonville, Miami, and Seattle all try to go after someone. Rest have a decent option/big investment in place (Fitzpatrick has had his moments, Ponder is young, Tebow is popular, and Kolb got too much money to give up on)

by Roa on Jan 3, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this with a few exceptions. Denver will draft someone to compete with Tebow.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Jan 4, 2012 7:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I Believe

The dolts will draft Luck. Then the 28 million dollar question is, do they keep Peyton? I keep hearing both sides of the “keep Peyton” or “drop Peyton”, so I really have no idea what Indy will do, especially in light of the front office massacre that just took place.

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by vlad755 on Jan 3, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more like a $51M question

From NFP:

In 2012, Manning will cost $35.4 million — the $28 million option bonus plus $7.4 million salary. Luck, although limited to about $23 million over four years, will get a signing bonus and salary of around $15.4 million. Thus, to carry both, in 2012 along, would cost close to $51 million.

As said above, I think the front office massacre answered that question. Going a new direction = Suck with Luck and Bye-Bye Peyton.

"the croaking raven doth bellow for revenge."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare

by Fandemonium on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That is at least 40% of their cap space for one position/two players. Hmmm… beginning to think Peyton may have already played his last game in an Indy uniform. That would leave $70+M – $80M (max) for 51 other players (I think only the top 53 players count against the cap) -that would be an almost impossible situation for them.

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"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."

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by vlad755 on Jan 4, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that is all Cap hit

since I believe the bonuses still get prorated under the new CBA. But still, that is cold hard cash out of Jimmy’s pocket.

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Hamlet, William Shakespeare

by Fandemonium on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Flynn will play for any team that invests starter money in him. He wants to get paid like everyone else.

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by El.Dude on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

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