If we lose in Foxboro, is this the end of Flacco in Baltimore?
by Raven_all_day on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 PM EST
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I am not a Flacco hater but we have to ask the question. This is Flacco's fourth year in the league and he hasn't quite turned the corner yet. Without Flacco we may not have gotten where we are now but then a again he is not the reason we are here either. When we threw the ball 40+ times we have lost. In every loss, Flacco was horrible. We lose when Flacco has a bad game. With the weapons that Flacco had this year, I expected him to go over 4,000 yards. We have a good balanced team but we struggle offensively because Flacco is inconsistent. Our offensive line is not horrible but he holds the ball so long that they look horrible, besides last game where they looked abysmal. Boldin and Torrey should have over 1,000 yards but Flacco's completion percentage this year explains that. He complains about not being allowed to throw the ball more but when he does we lose. He is not happy with the offense because he wants to throw more. I think that's a issue, if we lose when he takes the reigns. He is no Tom Brady, and I am not asking him to be but his play sometimes is ridiculous.
Flacco doesn't appreciate the criticism but there has been many games where he added fuel to the fire. This game on Sunday IMO is bigger than just a AFC Championship game. Flacco will need to come up big on Sunday or there will be some changes I think. We have an All Pro defense with Suggs probably receiving DPOY. We can win this game but not if Flacco can't execute the game plan which ever it may be. He will need to convert third downs for sure. There are not many objective fans on here but we all know that Flacco will be the only thing holding us back. We will see on Sunday
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As much as I love what Joe Flacco has done in his four years in Baltimore, I do agree that you would expect him to be better. His pocket awareness and mobility within the pocket is not good. He has misfired on some throws this year. I believe his completion percentage would be better had the receivers not dropped so many balls this year (We were near the top in the NFL in dropped balls). However, I think Joe has been handicapped by Cam Cameron. Our offense is so vanilla. The routes the receivers run are the most basic and involve no rout combinations. Is our team not smart enough to make the offense more complicated for defenses to game plan against?
“If we lose in Foxboro, is this the end of Flacco in Baltimore?”
In a word….No. I truly believe that to get rid of him via trade, release, or any scenario would be extremley foolish. Good QBs don’t grow on trees, you can’t pick a guy off the street that’ll be the next Manning. It doesn’t happen that way.
As for Joe not living up to standards, everyone is going to have to accept that he’ll never be Brees, Brady, Rodgers ect. That by no means is a bad thing. Instead of getting rid of a talented young guy, in his fourth year, why not switch some pieces around him. Things like: coaching, scheme, new weapons. The reason most “elite” QBs are so good is that their offense is built to play to their strengths and is tailored to them. Joe, I feel, isn’t utilized properly, or for that matter, most of our offensive skill players aren’t utilized properly. I’m telling you, before you get rid of a guy with huge upside and potential just because he hasn’t gotten there yet, that it’d be beneficial to switch pieces around him before a final verdict can be said.
Getting rid of a guy like him could set us back maybe 5-6 years….best case scenario. We’ve never had anything resembling consistent QB play during our short NFL franchises history. Why move backward now that we do?
P.S. If this is a post like the “Is Ray Rice elite” post….then I’m sorry for blowing up.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 18, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can I ask how you would properly utilize Flacco? I’ve seen a couple people with those sentiments, so I’m curious as to what people think is the right way to use him.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Well, for starters, I think a lot of us would like to see Joe back in shotgun more. He’s not incredibly mobile and Joe having extra time would help, especially in the face of a pass rush like the Texans had against us. I don’t think we utilize his weapons properly which I turn leads to low comp. % and then leads to the criticism. Fot example, a lot of people made great points over the past few days about Pitta. He’s an incredibly sure handed guy that doesn’t see a ton of time in favor of the more athletic Dickson. Mostly, I just think from the get go, Joe is set up to fail. While he has great arm strength and can throw 60+ yards I just think that we’re forcing him to try and hit home runs too often. I’ve seen some amazing short darts thrown by Joe this year. To the point where it reminded me of Favre and his really quick short release. Just puts the ball on the numbers in a really tight window. Yet, we have the huge drop backs from under center, with a collapsing pocket and routes that take 4-5-6 seconds to develop. A lot of people would rather see Joe roll out for those bombs to get time and space from rushers. I’d like to see Joe run one or two series by himself. Calling every play, making the audibles, no Cam BS. Just to see how he would do it. What would it truly look like when the training wheels are actually off. I’m sure there are a hundred things I could think of, but I don’t want to take up too much space or people’s time.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Understandable. I think you covered plenty anyway. Not many that criticize people offer their own thoughts no how to make it better, or if they do, they are unrealistic/impractical. Everything you said makes a lot of sense. You should see if they are taking applications for OC lol.
I seriously can’t understand the blind loyalty both of our organizations show their OC’s. The justification is always “we’re winning” Ok..that’s cool, but we have good defense, why wouldn’t you want to take some pressure off the defense? Why not light up the scoreboard the best you can, just in case the D is having an off day?
Oh well…I read a report today that Arians is considering retiring, or he’s not getting renewed or something. I’m not getting my hopes up. It would really suck if we get a new OC, and he’s even worse.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
That’s one of my bigger fears too, what if someone new at OC is the same, or even worse. Who knows? Just like you think Pitts offense is capable of more, I think most if us feel the same about ours. I think a lot of heat on Flacco is wildly unfair and mostly snap judgements when the offense under performs and people don’t stop too look at things s but further. There are so many variables that contribute to a performance that might seem like a sup par day for Joe. This was never more evident to me than in this last game v. HOU. It was the #2 D, his O Line was watching people fly by and sack him, Rice was going nowhere. I have a hard time blaming one guy for the faults of many. I don’t expect any QB to play that well when you take five sacks, your run game is nothing, your receivers are dropping balls and your constantly put in bad down and distance situations. But Joe did well. Fought through it, played a good solid game, and produced enough points to win without any turnovers. I know it’s the “era of the QB” where you’re praised for everything in a W, and chastised for anything in a L….even if you played well or not in either a W/L.
As for my sentiments regarding the O. Lots of people here share my views. Maybe I’m an extreme Joe apologist, but I try to be as honest and objective as possible and trust what I’m seeing on the field. This stuff isn’t rocket science, and it doesn’t take an “expert” to see what we produce on offense is good to average at best, and dysfunctional at worst.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree about the O. Also it’s a lot harder to find a franchise QB than a OC. It wouldn’t make sense to let go Joe without at least seeing what he’s capable of with a different OC. Cam runs a ton of low percentage throws and as you said slow developing routes that just take way too much time to develop. I believe it was Raven who said that Cam is willing to throw away a series for the shot at a big play and it’s true. We really need to run more of a true west coast offense where there’s a lot more short to mid range throws and then try to hit Torrey once in awhile with the deep ball. It’s much harder to complete the deep ball when they know 1 of every 2 pass plays is going deep. I’ve also said I still think we need to find Joe a true number one. Boldin is an elite #2 and Torrey is on his way to being an elite #2 guy, but I don’t see anybody on this team as a true #1 guy. If you aren’t going to have a true #1 you at least need an OC capable of drawing up plays to get guys open by design because our guys struggle to gain much separation based on their abilities alone.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
No shut up. You don't give up a good QB when there is no replacement anywhere on the horizon.
We give up Flacco and I guarantee you we’ll have a losing record next year.
by Roa on Jan 19, 2012 6:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
There are QBs that are going to be available via free agency or draft. Mike Flynn, Kellen Moore from Boise, just to name a few. We have a squad right now but Flacco has alot of miscues.
I always think about what harbaugh said in our loss to the chargers. Guys were open but Flacco didn’t think they were open. This is his fourth year, he shouldn’t have that issue.
If he loses this game on Sunday I atleast see Cam getting fired or signing a WR in free agency. Someone that can get open consistently.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
While Moore is accurate he has horrible arm strength. and Flynn will not do better than Flacco. Look at the success of guys like Cassel and Kolb who were in Flynn’s situation. Those type of guys aren’t really the answer and he will cost way too much for a guy who hasn’t even put together a season worth of work. There is only so many Brady’s. Most superbowl QB’s and successful QB’s for that matter are first round or really early 2nd round guys. QB is just not a position that has much success being found later in the draft, with Brady being a very rare exception. There’s nobody out there better than Flacco.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
NO!!
Who can u get thats even close to Joe???? Even if he loses this week, so what? I know its a big deal here, but really! He is the best QB you guys ever had, including McNair(true he had a great career)but its Flaccos time!
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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 19, 2012 7:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No. No. No.
What is ridiculous is that people expect total perfection from the guy with the hardest job on the field.
We’re 60 minutes from the Super Bowl. We swept the AFC North. The Packers, the Saints, and the Steelers (with their elite QB’s) are sitting at home, wishing they were us. Enjoy this, Baltimore.
Go Ravens.
by nattybroh on Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Perfection no, but to be consistent yes. With better O-line play we will see can Flacco carry us to the promise land. I hope so for his sake.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and there we have it
With better O-line play we will see can Flacco carry us to the promise land.
this seems to contradict your entire post.
This. Completely contradicting. Either it’s Flacco who you feel needs to go or there is missing pieces around him. You don’t dump a franchise QB when there is missing pieces around him.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 19, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What a terrible post
if you’re going to bitch about Flacco, how about we take objective look at the facts? Oh thats right, because if you did, you wouldn’t have a problem with Flacco. Moron
by kryptonianjorel on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yo shut the fuck up. You say statistically right. Individual statistics Flacco is a fucking bum. If it wasn’t for Ray Rice and this top defense we wouldn’t be where we are. Flacco showsis glimpses once inand a bluegood moon. All I’m saying is I think this game, Flacco’s job is on the line.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You want to give up a franchise QB just because we don't get to the superbowl this year?
You realize only 2 teams make it to the SB every year, right? Not to mention, the past 3 years we’ve had the challenge of doing it on the road. Sure, I’d love a Brees, or a Rodgers leading the team, but thats just not going to happen. So what, we let go of Flacco and pick up someone on free agency? What a terrible gamble. We could start Tyrod, our 5th round pick from last year, and do the Tebow thing with him. Both sound dreadful
Lets instead look at Cam Cameron. He calls deadful pass plays, with a large portion being torrey smith down the sideline, hope he gets past the corner and the saftey ignores him. Torrey is great and all, but that catch isn’t going to be made most of the time. Thats usually our 1st or 2nd down pass play. If we get stuck in 3rd and long, its even worse, since the defense is expecting a pass play. If Cam were to mix in some decent 1st and 2nd down pass plays for short yardage, some higher completion plays, this wouldn’t be a problem. Theres also the problem with out line on pass plays. Flacco is hurried much too often, and the Houston D exposed our problems with the line.
Flacco is an excellent QB who has done more in his first 4 seasons than many of those ‘elite’ quarterbacks everybody is harping on. How soon everybody forgets the days of Kyle Boller…
by kryptonianjorel on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed and look at a guy like Eli. He has a ring and is on his way to his 2nd super bowl and analysts are all over him right now. His career qb rating is 82.1 including in his first 4 seasons having ratings of 55.4, 75.9, 77, 73.9. Even in year 8 is highest rating for a year was a 93.1. Flacco in his first for was 80.3, 88.9, 93.6, 80.9. He’s increased every year until this year and wouldn’t you think all the new pieces and building chemistry would take some effect on that when he’s shown he improves every year? You don’t need those huge numbers to be a successful QB in this league and our O will never allow Flacco to put up those huge numbers, but he’s done a fine job with what he has.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Joe> Eli. The Giants are the luckiest team in the NFL
#HireSpags
Come on Andy
Shady McCoy is Still Dirty
Ravens 4 SB '12
Never mind, I knew it was one of two fan bases, you are actually a fan of my second choice. How many times does Eli have to rip your heart out before you can come to terms with the very real fact that Eli Manning is a great quarterback?
Then again, being an Eagles fan, I wouldn’t expect you to know what a great quarterback looks like.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I want you to calculate the big plays you have had this year and how bad teams have performed against you. You guys act so tough when you have performed mediocre all season. You guys just are on a hot streak right now and I hope the 49ers woop your ass. Btw until the first game of this year we have beaten you pretty consistently
#DontfuckupJuan
Come on Andy
Shady McCoy is Still Dirty
Ravens 4 SB '12
What? You guys who? What are you talking about? I’m not a Giants fan. But consider this, the Eagles have the same schedule…what’s the problem? The only thing lucky for the Giants is the fact that they have the Eagles, Redskins, and Cowboys in their division. That shouldn’t be lucky, but those teams sure make it seem that way.
The thing is though, Eagles fans and Patriots fans are the only two fan bases where there is almost a consensus that Eli isn’t good, and the Giants are lucky. You’re going to have to accept it man, Eli is better than any QB you’ve ever had, and the Giants are a better team than the Eagles have ever been.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I Totally Agree
Unless the coach makes a move for a mobile accurate quarterback, Baltimore will always be a “Good Team”, but they’ll never be a “Great Team” and there is a difference. This is no difference then when New England stayed with Bledsoe until he got hurt, then in comes Tom Brady and the tides turn forever. The Saints acquired Drew Brees and they win a Super Bowl, Green bay makes the decision to get rid of Bret Farve and Aarron Rodgers wins green Bay a Super bowl. When will the raven’s Coach wake up. Flacco is good as a back-up and even a starter, but you MUST start searching for a new mobile enthusiastic QB, even if you go and get Tom Tebow (hahahahahahaha)
Unless the coach makes a move for a mobile accurate quarterback
You sir win the dumbest statement of the year award!! In all seriousness, can you name any QB that is super mobile, deadly accurate, that is above 6’, with a cannon arm, that can stay healthy? No, you can’t!? Well then I’ll gladly take Flacco, when he’s everything on that list except super mobile. Maybe we can get an O-line that can block anyone.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 23, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
He's got pretty decent mobility as well.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
it also seems..
that your players are complaining about joe! As you guys here know, I have ALWAYS defended Flacco and will continue to do so until he flops..that does not include losing( IF ) on sunday.
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by nycsteelerfan on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
It would seem that way with the way the media covers it.
If a player gives two or three poorly chosen words, then the reporter titles his/her article with them trying to make a name for him/herself. Then, the lazy/less informed analysts just read the title and base their opinion off of that while not even looking at the rest of the article or interview. I’m just amazed how people listen to any of the shit Tony Korn-something-or-other or Skip Bayless or pretty much anyone else spew and think it’s legit analysis. Most of these guys hate covering the Ravens because they couldn’t name more than 5 players on the team, so to avoid sounding like a complete idiot they repeat and reuse material that is already out there.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
found this quote from the thread starter below.
Sorry to say but yaw need to get off Flacco’s nuts and be real. Ed Reed even called him out. Suggs when he is on First take, he is next to speechless when Skip is dogging Flacco. I seem to be the only one here that can admit this, but funny how alot of people are saying the same.
Now that I see where this raven-all-day guy is coming from, I find his conclusions less than shocking. I do commend him for being able to watch Skip Bayless though, the guy is like nails on the chalkboard for me.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a Flacco hater but …
Way to cover your ass. “I’m going to write this post that trashes Flacco and insinuates we should get rid of him based on my arbitrary expectations, but I’m not a Flacco hater.” This is a great start.
… he hasn’t quite turned the corner yet.
What does this even mean? Against whom are you comparing Flacco? I know there aren’t any other fourth year quarterbacks that can match his stats or wins that I’d rather have. Ryan can’t play outside of a dome. Sanchez sucks. Josh Freeman was a one-hit wonder. Stafford has played only one full season in three years. If you’re comparing Flacco to Brees and Brady, you need to come back to reality. Those guys have been in the league much longer and are playing in offenses built around the pass.
Moreover, Flacco’s stats and wins compare favorably with some of the NFL’s best over their first four years in the league. Flacco’s stats over that time have been covered ad nauseum around here, and nobody has more wins in their first four years. “Turning the corner” is just some bullshit phrase that lets you insinuate negative things without putting forth any kind of intelligent analysis. All the recent quarterbacks that won Super Bowls within their first four years (Roethlisberger, Brady, and Eli Manning, off the top of my head) did so on the strength of a great defense and strong running game. I see absolutely no reason to think that Flacco is somehow behind the curve in his growth.
… he is not the reason we are here either.
It’s very convenient that you’ve omitted Flacco’s late-game heroics, such as the second Pittsburgh game. You’re right, though. Flacco didn’t do anything to get us to the playoffs. Never mind that Rice averaged only 56 running yards per game over an eight week period (beginning at week two) and picked up less than 3.8 yards per carry during that time. Don’t worry that the offensive line has played horribly more often than not (including most recently against the Texans). An elite quarterback wouldn’t have receivers that are top-5 in the league for drops.
When we threw the ball 40+ times we have lost.
In the 2010 season, teams that threw for 300 yards or more had records of just 47-49. Teams that threw for 400 yards or more went 3-11. If a team finds it necessary to throw that much, it more than likely means that something has gone seriously wrong and they find themselves trying to dig themselves out of a hole. For much the same reason, higher rush totals from Rice are correlated with wins. It has less to do with Rice’s abilities and more to do with what it says about what else is going on in the game (such as eating clock while in the lead). Honestly, it really shouldn’t be surprising that we tend to lose when we rely so heavily on the pass, and it’s definitely not a knock on Flacco. If anything, it only highlights the fact that there are deficiencies in other parts of the offense.
In every loss, Flacco was horrible.
In most of the losses, the announcers were frequently showing shots of the receivers being completely blanketed while Flacco ran for his life. What typically gives our offense issues are teams that can successfully rush three or four while dropping the remainder into coverage. The issues here are that the offensive line isn’t providing sufficient (or any, in many cases) protection for Flacco, and the receivers aren’t being sent on routes that make sense against that kind of all out pass defense. It’s no great insight to say that Flacco looks horrible when he’s set up to fail. What’s amazing is the accomplishments he has achieved despite all the obstacles this year.
With the weapons that Flacco had this year, I expected him to go over 4,000 yards.
What weapons would those be? A hobbled and misused number two receiver masquerading as our number one? A gaggle of rookie receivers? Two tight ends that had almost no playing time last year, one of which has a worrying case of the dropsies? A veteran deep threat that’s making something like $1million per catch? An offensive line that allowed ten multi-sack games and was almost unilaterally responsible for Rice disappearing in the early part of the season?
Actually, I think we’ve gotten to the core of your issue. Your expectations are apparently out of whack with reality. You make it sound like the Ravens offense is flush with talent, and that’s just not true at all. Our line is average if everybody’s healthy. Our wide receivers and tight ends are mostly potential. Ray Rice is no Barry Sanders (in that he needs good run blocking to get his yardage).
… Flacco is inconsistent.
Could you give us an example of this mythical, consistent quarterback? Brady had three multi-interception games (including four interceptions against the mighty Bills). Brees had six multi-interception games and took 15 sacks in four games. Rodgers couldn’t stay consistent in the playoffs, looking pedestrian against the Giants. Philip Rivers? He’s just another victim of the ultra-strict personnel requirements of the Air Coryell system.
… he holds the ball so long that they look horrible …
If anything, this is an admission of failure of the offensive coordinator to successfully react to in-game developments. You might not be aware of this, but Cameron’s system is built around deep and long-developing routes. It’s rare that you see any kind of quick timing patterns called (a quick slant to Smith maybe once a game?). You say that Flacco holds on to the ball too long (and laughably attribute the line’s woes to that); what else should he do? He can either move around and give the receivers enough time to get through their routes, or he can throw it away half the time.
This is one complaint I’ve never been able to understand. Flacco isn’t Roethlisberger, trying to turn every broken play into a miraculous 30 yard gain. He’s just trying to survive until the correct time to throw the ball. If he didn’t hold on to the ball for what you consider to be “too long,” he’d never have any completions.
Boldin and Torrey should have over 1,000 yards but Flacco’s completion percentage this year explains that.
What a bunch of shit. Flacco’s completion percentage is low because we replaced sure-handed veterans with rookies and focused schematically on long routes (inherently low percentage passes) with an offensive line that can’t provide a pocket for sufficient time. Boldin didn’t get 1000 yards because he dropped too many passes and played injured most of the year.
I think that’s a issue, if we lose when he takes the reigns.
That’s a dishonest way of framing your argument. If, by “taking the reigns,” you mean throwing forty times a game, then of course we’re going to look bad more often than not; you’re not likely to win if you’re throwing that much. If you mean that we should be able to count on Flacco to put the game on his shoulders and come through with a win in the clutch, then he’s already proved that. Flacco went into Pittsburgh against a Steelers team that had every reason to want the win at least as badly as we did after being humiliated in week one, and dragged us kicking and screaming into the end zone for a late-game, winning score. If I recall, there were like two or three drops (bad drops) on that drive, but Flacco got us there. Going into that game, all we heard was that Flacco couldn’t beat Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh. It was a clutch, career-defining win. I’m more than happy to put the game in Flacco’s hands in the future.
There are not many objective fans on here but we all know that Flacco will be the only thing holding us back.
So, if I disagree with you, then I’m not objective? All the bullshit Flacco-hate above is the gold standard for objectivity? I think any objective fan would agree that the only thing holding back this offense is a combination of offensive line and offensive coordinator. The line we have can’t hold a pocket long enough to execute the passing plays called, and the coordinator won’t make timely adjustments to the game plan to accommodate that.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions 20 recs
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Well said Amp.
Funny how it’s now Flacco’s fault for receivers dropping passes and not getting open.
Funny how when our O-Line plays well and we run the ball – Flacco plays very well – but then he’s labeled a game manager. When he has no time and our running games gets stopped – he sucks.
I think it’s time to repost your, “Is Ray Rice Elite?” article. He had a pretty bad game last week and is really holding us back. Blind Ray Rice couldn’t even get in from the 6 inch line.
You are right and Ricky had more success last game so maybe he should get more playing time than Rice?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Rice isn't the problem. He suffers just as much as Flacco from the pieces around him.
He was the league leader in yards from scrimmage, how is that not elite?
Lol just wait until this topic becomes common on this blog. I will be here to hear all of botches and complaints. I’m just telling the truth. We didn’t lead the league in drops or sacks so you all are making excuses. 3600+ yards, around 20 td’s and a completion percentage of about 59the I think, is not elite but you blind fans will see soon enough.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trent Dilfer
Now that right there is a SB quarterback if I’ve ever seen one
by kryptonianjorel on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Lol just wait until this topic becomes common on this blog.
When will that be? If we lose to the Patriots, Flacco will have four playoff appearances and five wins (four on the road) in his first four years as well as more wins than any other fourth year quarterback. His stats match up favorably through the first four years with practically any other quarterback that’s played in the league. He’s done this with no number one receiving threat, a lack of receivers that fit the system (until this year), veteran security blankets being replaced by new and new-ish faces, poor offensive line play, an intermittent running performance, the loss of his quarterback coach, and an offensive coordinator that refuses to tailor his system to the strengths of his players. I think Flacco’s earned his next contract, and, in a better world, a little good will from the fan base.
I’m just telling the truth.
You should come back to reality and try to rebut any of my responses to you. The truth is that Flacco has played better than expected through his first four years, and there’s absolutely no reason to think he won’t continue to improve.
We didn’t lead the league in drops or sacks so you all are making excuses.
Last I checked, the difference in drops between the top couple of teams (of which we are a part) is on the order of maybe a drop or two. Not leading the league in drops doesn’t mean that drops weren’t a serious issue. In fact, many of them have been drive killers, which is even worse.
As far as sacks, Flacco’s improved mobility and awareness have really bailed out the line a number of times this year. He’s moving well in the pocket (when there is a pocket) and extending plays. Still, we can’t really expect him to be Vick. The system absolutely requires the line to give the quarterback sufficient time to let the routes develop, and that hasn’t been happening on a regular basis. The result is sacks and throwaways.
… you blind fans will see soon enough.
When you sit there and call several people that disagree with you “blind” and question their objectivity, do you seriously not realize that maybe — just maybe — there might be something fallacious about your premise? You can’t possibly think that you’re the only person here that sees what’s going on, and everybody else just has such a low football IQ that they’ll never figure it out.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You can’t possibly think that you’re the only person here that sees what’s going on, and everybody else just has such a low football IQ that they’ll never figure it out.
This one time, I was driving on a one-way street, and all of these idiots kept coming at me! Hello, McFly! It’s a one-way! Hard to believe everyone except me could be that stupid.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
by jackmca on Jan 19, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i wish i had an easy button
that would recite this every time I press it. Thank you Amp.
Scott Hines
Spot on
This is the best defense of the spurious and misleading attacks on Flacco I’ve seen to date. Flacco is a solid NFL QB and is the best Ravens quarterback ever. He’s not an HOF QB at this time and likely never will be, but he is much much better than the realistic alternatives.
There’s a lot of blind fans that don’t realize Flacco’s going to be second string quarterback for the Redskins next year.
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I would like to associate myself with that comment. I agree with everything that Amp just said.
I’ll be succinct: Let’s pretend for a moment that Flacco is a physically talented guy who just isn’t destined to ever really be that good. You still extend his contract. Why?
It’s a lot easier to replace an Offensive Coordinator than it is to replace a Quarterback. Coordinators, unlike franchise Quarterbacks with freakish arm strength and prototypical size, do grow on trees. You can sign a lot of ambitious guys out there with QB-friendly ideas.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
by jackmca on Jan 19, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Flacco was on a different team with no running game or a defense he would be ousted. Look at the games where he had to throw it a lot. We lost. I wish ppl would stop saying because of his record he is great. Don’t take for granted this powerful defense we have. They haven’t asked Flacco to carry us because they know he can’t.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If Flacco was on a different team with no running game or a defense he would be ousted.
If Flacco played for a team with no running game or defense, you have to imagine that there would be a lot more money invested in the passing game than what we have. So, I think you’re wrong again. In a situation like that, I think Flacco would probably look a lot better by virtue of being surrounded by talent. He probably wouldn’t have the wins the Ravens have had, but he’d have the stats that are all you seem to care about.
Look at the games where he had to throw it a lot. We lost.
Read what I posted above. Teams that rely overly on passing lose more often than not. That’s not necessarily on the quarterback as much as it is on the situation in which the team finds itself (losing badly with time running out).
I wish ppl would stop saying because of his record he is great. Don’t take for granted this powerful defense we have.
We’ve had good running games and great defenses since we won the Super Bowl, but we’ve never had the kind of persistent success that we’re currently experiencing, and Flacco is the common factor. Before Flacco came along, how many great Baltimore defenses were sitting at home after the first playoff game (or never even made it to the post-season)?
They haven’t asked Flacco to carry us because they know he can’t.
I remember the offense bailing out a weak defensive showing a couple of times last year. Flacco also had some impressive late-game heroics this year. I think the evidence shows that we can count on Flacco when they pressure is on.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Teams that rely on passing lose more often than not."
What are you smoking? Have you watched the Patriots, Colts, Packers, or Saints in the past few years?? That’s all they did and they were perennial SB contenders. They relied on their passing game.
by CharmCity55 on Jan 19, 2012 3:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I appreciate that you took the effort to quote nearly the complete sentence. What I actually wrote was as follows:
Teams that rely overly on passing lose more often than not.
That one omitted word sort of changes the meaning of the sentence, no? I backed this up in another post above.
In the 2010 season, teams that threw for 300 yards or more had records of just 47-49. Teams that threw for 400 yards or more went 3-11. If a team finds it necessary to throw that much, it more than likely means that something has gone seriously wrong and they find themselves trying to dig themselves out of a hole.
I think the stats speak for themselves.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's really too bad the stats really can't speak for themselves.
Unfortunately, statistics are only as good as the people that interpret them. Subjectivity is the real bitch here.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
More often than not.
For every one of those we also have a Buffalo, a Carolina, a Tampa Bay, a San Diego, or a Dallas.
Look at the stats of all the guys you’d like instead of Flacco. All of them, except Rodgers, put up similar numbers to Flacco in their first 4 years. None of them entered their prime in year 4. (What’s Rodgers going to do when he enters his prime?! Scary!)
We’re going to have to put up with getting to the playoffs, and possibly going to the SB every year until Flacco hits his prime. boo hoo.
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If Flacco was on a different team with no running game or a defense he would be ousted.
He’s not.
Look at the games where he had to throw it a lot. We lost.
How was our running game in those losses? O-Line play? Defensive play (Chargers and Titans)? When teams have to throw a lot they lose more than not. This a fact as Amp pointed out – for all teams – not just the Ravens.
Don’t take for granted this powerful defense we have.
No one takes the defense for granted. They play well most of the time, but they struggle at times – as do all players and units (SD, TEN, Arian Foster).
They haven’t asked Flacco to carry us because they know he can’t.
That’s not they way this football team is built. When all aspects of our team are clicking (defense, running game, o-line play) Joe plays well – almost always – and we are nearly unbeatable. How many QB’s carry their teams? Brees, Rodgers, Brady, BB? How many of them are still playing? Furthermore, I think we’ve concluded Joe is not a top QB and it is pointless and arbitrary to compare him to them.
You guys are making my point for me. Why is it that the run game has to be great and the O-line has to play perfect in order for Joe to show up. I think if other QBs not just the top tier ones when comparing. Kyle Orton, Stafford, Rivers. Jay Cutler has far less what we have and is a better passer and decision maker. Sorry to say but yaw need to get off Flacco’s nuts and be real. Ed Reed even called him out. Suggs when he is on First take, he is next to speechless when Skip is dogging Flacco. I seem to be the only one here that can admit this, but funny how alot of people are saying the same.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jay Cutler has far less what we have and is a better passer and decision maker.
Now you’re making shit up. Do all those interceptions make him a better decision maker?
I’m done…Go listen to Skip Bayless so more…
This yr is what I’m saying not last yr idiot. Do I have to spoon feed u this shit or what.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why is it that the run game has to be great and the O-line has to play perfect in order for Joe to show up.
Because that’s how Cameron’s offense is built. Seriously, dude, you need to read a book or something, because I’m not going to write yet another essay on how this shit works if you didn’t bother to learn anything from it last time I did.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very much so this. It’s the same thing we’ve all been saying on this thread. Cam’s system favors a down field, vertical passing game. Huge drop backs, from under center, not shotgun, with WRs running 6 second routes. If the offensive line isn’t working while calling bombs, Joe gets harassed and is sacked or flushed out. If the running game isn’t working, the D doesn’t have to respect it as much and can focus on fucking Joe up instead of stopping the run, while more than likely, also dropping more in coverage. This all leads to blanket coverage with no where to go, and pass rushers breaking free to ruin Joe’s weekend. The best way to think of our offensive system with our personnel: Square peg….round hole.
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by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When Flacco misses open receivers its cams fault huh. When Flacco throws the ball directly to a defender its cams fault. When Flacco can’t elude the pocket or go to a third option its cams fault. Torrey did have a habit of dropping passes early on but he has been great since then. Dickson drops a pass a game ok. The titans game, jags game, chargers game he threw directly to the defender. What more does he have to do to show he is at fault.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think most of are saying that Joe, and the offense as a whole, is more often than not, set up to underperform or fail before the ball is snapped.
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by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
100% agree.
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Agree 100 also …painful to watch
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When Flacco misses open receivers its cams fault huh. When Flacco throws the ball directly to a defender its cams fault. When Flacco can’t elude the pocket or go to a third option its cams fault.
When did I say any of that was on Cameron?
The titans game, jags game, chargers game he threw directly to the defender.
I’m pretty sure that nobody here is claiming that Flacco is perfect.
What more does he have to do to show he is at fault.
Flacco has made some mistakes. Believe it or not, other quarterbacks have made mistakes as well. What confuses me is why Flacco seems not to be allowed to make the same mistakes that Brees, Brady, and Rogers have made.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny how Tom Brady can throw four INTs in a game without the whole fanbase wondering aloud why they let Matt Cassel go. Imagine if Flacco had one of those games?
For the record, he’s only had two multiple-INT games this season, and both were 2 INT outings. He hasn’t had a game with 3 this season
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
How is that funny? I think Tom Brady has done a little more to justify that kind of leeway.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I understand this.
The point is that logical fanbases don’t react like this.
Ok, so the comparison isn’t perfect. But you see what I’m saying right? We live in Philly south. Ever since I can remember, everybody’s favorite QB was always the backup. They just can’t get it out of their heads.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
As I said to Westminster, there are only like 6 or 7 fan bases that don’t have the same shit going on every year. It is irrational, but that’s how it is. However, all the craziness about putting Tyrod Taylor in and all that…just nuts.
A lot of Steelers fans are like that about Dennis Dixon for some reason. Not to replace Ben obviously, but when he was injured, everyone was positive Dixon was the answer. All because he played ok against you guys a couple years ago. You can’t please them all, and there are always going to be people that just want to bitch about certain things no matter what.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Should have rested roth … Lost season because of the browns and Tomlin stupidity
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What’s roth? Oh, Roethlisberger. No they shouldn’t have. Charlie Batch would still be in the hospital if he played against San Francisco, and Dennis Dixon is awful. As Herm Edwards says “you play to win the game”. However, I will agree that once the SF game was out of reach, he probably should have sat.
That’s not what lost the season though, as the SF game would have been lost whether Ben was in or not, and they won the next two games. The Denver loss had very little to do with Ben. He wasn’t great, but that should have been good enough to beat a team like Denver
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Even you & I agree in a couple things… The season was over when Flacco drove his team the length of the field against once of the better Ds… That drive took pitt from homefield throughout to hittin the road to Denver
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I wouldn’t agree with that either, the season was over when the team didn’t show up for the 49er game. You guys had just lost to the Chargers, so a win in S.F combined with the two gimme’s against St Louis and Cleveland would have put you guys on the road.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
You just criticized Flacco for throwing the ball “directly to a defender” a few moments after you said that Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler were better than him. Both of those guys are FAR more interception prone than Flacco. OH, and they’ve been in the league a lot longer.
There’s only one guy with equivalent or fewer game played than Flacco who any sane person could argue they’d rather have, and that’s Stafford, who has missed a TON of time with injuries and could do so again. Flacco has never missed a game.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Kyle Orton, Stafford, Rivers. Jay Cutler has far less what we have and is a better passer and decision maker.
Let’s say for a minute that Rivers and Stafford might be better than Flacco (amazing receivers notwithstanding). You didn’t seriously just try to argue that Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler were better, did you?
Kyle Orton’s QB Rating was a 77 this year, he got benched for TIM TEBOW for Christ’s sake (no pun intended). 9 Touchdowns, 9 Interceptions. You’d take that guy over Joe Flacco? You’re an idiot.
Jay Cutler? Any idea what he did in HIS fourth year? He threw 27 touchdowns and 26 interceptions. Holy fucking shit, he threw TWENTY-SIX INTERCEPTIONS in his fourth year. You know what had a lot to do with it? Bad O-Line play, bad OC, inconsistent receiver play. Sound familiar?
Keep burying your head in the sand and acting like the grass is greener. And check my sig while you’re at it, because it’s a fucking fact. I guarantee you they extend his contract.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
he got benched for TIM TEBOW for Christ’s sake (no pun intended).
the pun was intended and you know it.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Love how this guy says Orton and Cutler are better than flacco and when I shred his argument he doesn’t respond.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Everyone on this site tends to pile on pretty quick on any statement that might not be 100%, but he did make a definitive statement. Had all_day hedged his bets and said that he “would officially believe in Flacco if he put up solid numbers today”, I would have defended him here. But to make a blanket statement calling everyone blind for supporting our franchise QB without any factual evidence or even reasonable opinion to sway us kinda puts him out there for it.
Either way, there is some serious crow to eat right now.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 23, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
what I dont think you understand is when flacco was throwing the ball alot wideouts and tightends were dropping the ball consistently.
Flacco really can’t do anything about that well he can try to motivate them and talk to him which im not sure he does that.
Flacco really can’t do anything about that well he can try to motivate them and talk to him which im not sure he does that.
Flacco isn’t their mother. These receivers and tight ends and running backs are professionals, being paid insane amounts of money to catch balls that hit them in the hands. There’s absolutely no way to lay this at the feet of Flacco.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Flacco isn’t their mother. These receivers and tight ends and running backs are professionals, being paid insane amounts of money to catch balls that hit them in the hands. There’s absolutely no way to lay this at the feet of Flacco.
I have seen before where wideouts/tightends drop ball often in a game and a quarterback like Tom Brady would give them a good talking to which would eventually motivate them to the point they play better.
Flacco may not be their mother but he for damn sure suppose to be their leader. Im not saying Flacco has to talk to his wideouts on certain problems but sometime its necessary especially when you are suppose to the leader.
I just can’t put the drops at Joe’s feet in good faith. Flacco puts the ball where it needs to be and Bisciotti is putting money in their accounts. The only thing left to do is to catch the damn ball. That’s how this works. It’s specifically the receiver’s job to catch that ball. If they can’t catch the ball without needing Flacco in their back pocket to tell them it’s okay and they’ll get the next one, we should probably start looking for someone else that can catch a pass.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that you saying amp and I'm not saying the wideouts need joe flacco in their ear constantly to motivate them to catch the ball
but sometimes it helps. The wideout should be able to do his job and catch the ball but catching a ball is overall at times a mental thing just as well using your hands.
When Torrey Smith dropped a few balls against the steelers he said ray lewis and other players gave him a good talking to and it help him stay motivated. Torrey Smith eventually caught the ball the next time he went back on the field. There are times when wideouts drop passes their minds are not right and the need some encouragement to keep them focus and that is why is necessary for a leader to keep them focus at times.
I think there is some middle ground here. Would I like to see Joe be more of a vocal leader going forward? Hell yeah! Do I take issue with the fact that he’s almost never seen looking at pictures on the sidelines, talking to coaches, or talking to receivers about what’s going on? Yeah, I do.
Are the drops his fault? No they’re not.
Again, Flacco isn’t perfect, and he’s made some bad plays this year. But there isn’t a single QB we could replace him with right now who would outplay him next year—or perhaps at any point down the line. You replace your OC—maybe even two OCs—before you replace a guy with a ceiling as high as Flacco’s.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I like how when Flacco overthrow a ton of passes or can’t high a open target its the O-lines fault. Yes the offensive line has had its woes and reciecers has dropped balls but Flacco misses them more times than none.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
… Flacco misses them more times than none.
I’d like to see you back up this claim, because his completion percentage, poor or otherwise, seems to indicate differently.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You funny Amp. If you can’t see it I don’t know what to tell you. We didn’t lead the league in drops. Flacco misses alot plain and simple. The chargers game he was horrible for example. I can’t wait until Sunday.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're not 32nd in drops!
Wooooo so theres no excuse for flacco’s comp% This just in: Redskins weren’t 32nd in league; should have gone 16-0 then. More at 11
by kryptonianjorel on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We didn’t lead the league in drops.
You’re right. We were 2nd in the AFC, behind only the Browns.
You aren’t failing on this thread, you’re just getting a D-.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Where to Begin...
First, last, and foremost, the answer is NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Turn the corner? Who’s corner? I posted a couple week of weeks ago that Flacco’s stats are in line, close to, or better than his modern contemporaries along with some all time greats! Will he ever have the yardage/TD’s of Peyton or Marino? Probably not. But the Ravens aren’t built like that and Indy, as this year proved, is All Peyton All the TIme, or bust.
To address some other points- I think Frank asked above how would you use Flacco? Besides WestR’s most eloquent response, I would add a little hurry up a la what the patsies have been running as of late. Or at least more urgency in getting to the line and getting set so Flacco has time to better read the defense. It seems like it takes us forever to get set on the line. Watching the playoff games this past weekend, most teams were set with around 14 – 15 seconds left; the Ravens? 8 – 9. Is Cam taking too long to get the play in? Is Joe taking to long to call the play and get the boys to the line? Maybe some blame for both, but it is not working in its current form. That is not enough time to send a guy in motion, make a read, and then either change the play or at least change as aspect of the play to better suit what the defense is showing. Cam “locks” Joe and the offense into a very rigid play structure with little opportunity to realistically improvise given the time constraints. Why can’t the offense be run so that the offense is set around the 14 second mark?
I believe AMP and AV23 have covered the other points I wanted to make.
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by vlad755 on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I remember saying something like this after the Chargers game.
It seems like it takes us forever to get set on the line. Watching the playoff games this past weekend, most teams were set with around 14 – 15 seconds left; the Ravens? 8 – 9.
It’s frustrating and happens a lot on big third down plays. The times we get the snap off our guys have less than 10 seconds to make presnap reads and blocking assignments (a double whammy). Other times we end up burning a time-out. The biggest disadvantage is that it eliminates the opportunity for presnap motion which could expose what coverage the defense is in.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
What is even more galling about that is the fact that we’re not really ever running anything that complex. We run comparatively few sub-packages (making the defensive players’ pre-snap reads all that much easier when we do) and I should be forgiven for feeling like we run a lot of the same plays multiple times. If it looks that way to the casual fan, that’s pretty bad.
It would be one thing if you had guys coming and going from the huddle and Tandon Doss halfway on the field not remembering if that package includes him or not, and then burning a timeout, but its never like that.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Greg Cosell, the guru from NFL Films, describes the Ravens offense as the following:
“Watching their tape is like watching the 1960s,” he continued. “One receiver to each side. Isolation routes. No bunch sets or rub routes.” Added Cosell, “I’ve never seen a group of receivers so unable to beat man coverage.”
He calls the offense “predictable,” as in being so predictable as to resemble football from a decade before the development of all major offensive schemes currently used in the NFL. He laments the lack of creative routes and describes our receivers as not just being “unable to beat man coverage,” but being worse at getting open than any other corps he’s ever seen. This makes one wonder just how much more Flacco could be set up to fail.
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by Ampallang on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Yes
Great pull indeed.
At some point, when confronted with a major issue, management has to make a decision and go with that decision. That is how any successful organization operates. Keeping it simple, the offense is being hindered by either a) Joe Flacco or b) Cam Cameron. There are of course other factors, but the major KPI is either Flacco or Cam. You have to make a decision and change one or the other. They thought getting rid of Zorn would solve the problem, but that only, arguably, made the problem worse. So now it is down to Joe or Cam. They need to pick one and live or die with the decision.
At some point Stevie B needs to confront Ozzie and ask what the one root cause is- Joe or Cam and then act accordingly.
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For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
They thought getting rid of Zorn would solve the problem, but that only, arguably, made the problem worse.
Im not sure if Zorn leaving made it worse would it had change anything if he had stayed besides the fact that Joe Flacco would had been happy. I dont think Zorn staying would had made Joe Flacco completion better or even make him a better year.
It wouldn’t be crazy to credit Joe’s improvement with his footwork and pocket awareness to Zorn.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope Biscotti follows the Steelers again in regards to Pitt dropping Arians, and we fire Cam after this season. SB win or not. We’re just too vanilla.
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THIS quote pretty much summarizes my main criticism of Cam Cameron, only it lends it a little more credibility since Cosell is slightly more respected than lil’ ole me.
But still. What say you?
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I think that’s a more damning statement for our receivers than Cam Cameron.
Our receivers have been a serious problem for a long time. I would say that they’ve been our biggest problem this season.
I was going to say something about the absurdity of this post,
but it looks like Amp has once again swooped in and saved the day (thanks Amp).
I can’t think of a better example of Charlie Brown and Lucy (we, as fan, are Lucy btw).
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions
c'mon man! Flacco's good.
There was a lot of talk about this imaginary turned corner about eli… it didn’t theoretically happen until he won the Superbowl. That’s a helluva corner to have to turn. Frankly, he’s been great in the postseason. If you lose Sunday? Keep him. If you win? Extend him!
Funny thing is, even after / when he wins a superbowl, there will still be doubters. take it from an eli manning fan.
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
Thank you.
Very refreshing.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Aaron Rodgers had that same “corner” to turn before last year.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it that people with raven in their name hate Flacco?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 19, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hey! Not cool.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
whoops maybe not all of them lol
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Ha! Yea, it’s cool. I was just messing around anyways. I took no offense.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Raven fun homie. Flacco’s stats compare to a rookie or second year QB. Guy is a average to below average QB. He was drafted in the 1st round not 5th. You guys talk about Cams offense. Completing the pass is basic. Ravens fans on here need to open their fucking eyes. Flacco is underachieving. Whether yaw on his dick or not Ozzie and Bisciotti knows what’s up. I wonder why this franchise QB hasn’t been resigned yet. If he has a horrible game we may go in a different direction.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He hasn’t been re-signed because we’ve got lots of guys to pay. Rice, Flacco, Grubbs, maybe JJ ect. It’s not as simple as Steve walking down to First Mariner and withdrawing $40 mil and handing it Joe in a duffle bag. There’s not some “get rid of Joe” conspiracy going on in the FO.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
But don’t you think your franchise quarterback should be the number one priority when resigning people?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
His contract is the top priority, Ozzie and Steve and just allowing for Cam to make Joe’s contract as cheap as possible.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yup
Without inflated passing numbers he is cheaper than he should be
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 20, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
You are only judging his stats this one season. Flacco’s numbers have went up every single year until this season and I’m sure the huge overhaul on offense would certainly factor into that. Plus your idea is replacing Flacco with Kellen Moore? A guy projected to go in around the 5th round this year? That’s laughable.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
What’s laughable is you thinking a guy that’s drafted outside the 1st round sucks. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matt Schaub etc. Like some of you said QBs don’t grow on trees. If he was the truth he would’ve been first priority.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok Brady is a rare exception as mentioned before, Brees was the very first pick in the 2nd round, so basically a first and How many playoff games has schaub won?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
The point is the success rate of QB’s not selected in the first or early seconds is pretty small.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
This is true, and for Brees, he was considered to have all the tools necessary, but people didn’t want to take a chance on a 6 ft qb. So, if people had been using their brains, he’d have been picked a lot earlier.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
and he would have been a star a lot sooner had Cam not been his coordinator.
by Mayne_Event on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Flutie
I thought Brees was being mentored under Flutie until he was ready to start.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
The salary cap dictates that we don’t pay players until we have too. Look at the Drew Brees’s situation in NO.
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This. Guess the Saints must not be too confident in Brees since Brees is set to be a free agent this year.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
That's the Answer!!!
Dump Flacco and wreck our salary cap for a decade to go after Brees! Genius!!! 0_o
/sarcasm
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
you should make a fanpost about this.
/sarcasm
by Mayne_Event on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Flacco’s stats compare to a rookie or second year QB. Guy is a average to below average QB.
Maybe you missed this thread. At the very least, it shows that there’s nothing below average about Flacco’s stats up to this point. More realistically, his stats are better than that.
Completing the pass is basic.
This is completely retarded. If completing a pass is basic, why are there so many quarterback busts? You can’t seriously think there’s anything basic about playing quarterback.
I wonder why this franchise QB hasn’t been resigned yet.
Coming into this season, Flacco had two years remaining on his rookie contract. Bisciotti mentioned that Flacco’s extension would be taken care of after this season.
If he has a horrible game we may go in a different direction.
Should the Falcons also go in a different direction? Ryan didn’t put up any points at all in his last game.
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I look at it like this has Flacco had some disappointing performances well yes but to think he's not the franchise quarterback for the ravens is crazy.
Flacco wasn’t placed in a comfortable situation when he not only lost his favorite quarterback coach but his favorate security blankets in Todd Heap and Derrick Mason. I think the ravens organization expected Flacco to grow up fast and take charge with the new guys/second year guys which was gamble.
I would say the gamble has paid off but also hasn’t at the same time. I think Ravens fans expected too much out of Joe Flacco and the offense
Also while he’s been inconsitent this year (not all his fault), he has also shown the ability to make big plays in big situations. Obviously the Pitt drive was huge, but what about late in the 49ers game where Joe lead an awesome drive to kind of put the nail in the coffin. That D is nasty and joe put up a 100 QB rating on them. He also lead the comeback in Arizona down 21 I believe and the Texans game the first time when we were down. He’s definitely had his share of bad moments, but has also shown that he’s more than capable of being our franchise QB and can rise to the occassion in big moments. Like many of us who defend him say over and over again. He’s not brady, Rodgers, Brees,etc so quit comparing him to them. He is however a damn good QB who has accomplished more already than a lot of QB’s will their entire careers.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
this
all he is paid to do is win games, and from what my research has shown me, 49 games WON in 4 years is the most of any quarterback in the history of the NFL.That is what he is paid to do – and he has not missed a start in those 4 years either – even with some brutal o-line play at times that have led to mutliple huge hits on his body.
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 19, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but i guess some ravens fans including myself just want to see more consistency out of Joe Flacco.
When I saw how Joe Flacco was throwing against the steelers, texans(first time), cardinals and etc it gave me the impression that this offense can be unstoppable but when you see how he plays against the jaguars, titans, chargers, and etc it can be disappointing.
I know there is a lot invloved for the reason why Joe Flacco/offense perform that way but it’s disappointing still. I think Ravens fans just overall expected too much and it sucks when you expect so much to happen and it doesn’t happen but its still good to know we are in the play offs
Between Cam and Joe I would rather see Cam leave
Our o-line isn’t good enough to hold up for as long as flacco takes to throw.
by CharmCity55 on Jan 19, 2012 2:34 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Our o-line isn’t good enough to hold up for as long as it takes the receivers to complete their routes.
Fixed that for you.
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It's pretty simple?
Who would you, as a GM, rather replace? A QB, knowing you’ll have to take an even greater risk bringing in a new face? Or an OC? There’s 32 QB coaches in the league who would want to be our OC, in addition to any O-Line coaches and previously proven OCs who are currently available. The number of coaches out there watching our tape and going “I COULD KILL PEOPLE WITH THESE GUYS” has to be pretty large.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
by jackmca on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Completley agree. But on the flip side….I’m pretty sure Jamarcus Russel is available. Ozzie should probably go ahead and send the company jet his way for a tryout with some cough syrup on ice stocked up.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Here are some interesting quotes from today:
“Ed Reed tells reporters #Ravens are over the whole Flacco comments thing. He and Flacco staged a fake fight walking out to practice”
Ed reed: ‘I worry about the legacy when I’m done’ (I had a feeling that Ed was feeling this way. It could, to some degree, explain his comments on Joe and the offense knowing that the SB is one game away)
“Cam cameron said criticism goes with the territory said he’s fine with people calling offense predictable as long as ravens keep winning” (This one just pisses me off, and sums up a lot of the issue that I take with Cameron)
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions
I don’t mind when i get banned from a sports talk site……..
This “fan” post is why
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 4:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t mind when i get banned from a sports talk site……..
I don’t mind, either.
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by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not to continue stirring the pot, but a few more liitle snips from today:
“Cam Cam Cameron on O: “We have a style that fits who we are. This division is a fu manchu kind of division. We’ve got a style and we like it.”
“Cam Cameron on offense: ‘There’s probably some predictability to it.’”
So as not to continue an argument or make anyone uncomfortable, I’ll just leave these quotes as they are. Although, I’d like to know what a Fu Manchu division is….
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions
The More Cam
Opens his mouth, the more I want to drive railroad spikes into my skull… Please, for all that is right and good, make him stop…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Ha, I know it’s bad. I can’t get over him admitting, publicly, that even HE thinks his offense is predictable. I’ll leave it at that….what else can be said that he didn’t already say himself?
Another funny story on the day: Yahoo! (who is the worst IMO) posted a story about Joe’s neighbor catching him skateboarding. Now people are try to spin it as though he doesn’t care about the team or a SB run because he is “putting his body at risk” of an injury. He had never skateboarded and was trying it in his driveway….haha! Crazy Balt news day.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the world of media attention. You’ve heard “be careful what you wish for” Well, this is the shit that comes with “respect” and getting the attention Joe wants to take from Tebow. There are two sides to “media love”
By the way, I don’t buy the “he doesn’t care angle”, but I will say this, If I was a Raven fan, I’d be a lot more comfortable with the story if he was a regular skater as opposed of a guy trying to ride one for the first time. Those things are a bitch when you first start, very easy to fall off of.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I’ve tried skateboarding and it just doesn’t work. Same with skiing. Mind and body don’t sync up well for that kind of stuff for me.
As for Joe, he was skateboarding in his driveway. I just wish I could’ve seen it ‘cause it had to have looked awkward. As long as he’s not trying his hand at dropping in on half pipes I’m fine with it.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Those quotes are just awkward. Like, Michael Steele posing with interns awkward. I have a feeling if I met Cam Cameron at a BBQ, i’d just wander over and grab another beer any time he tried to talk to me.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Classic
Like, Michael Steele posing with interns awkward
Yup, that would be Cam.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Holy Hell
I’ve never read a bigger bunch of misinformed bullshit than all the Flacco hate in this thread. Thank God for Ampallang and the others who actually bother to use stats and information to make an analysis. All the Flacco bashers never seem to have any rebuttal when you throw facts in their face.
totally agree
read most of this thread in disbelief, but appreciative of Joe’s supporters and their thoughtful and thorough rebuttals
by GayleG on Jan 19, 2012 6:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Oh the stats that shows how many wins he has in the post season. Lol funny becuz Sanchez has good numbers in the post season too.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh the stats that shows how many wins he has in the post season. Lol funny becuz Sanchez has good numbers in the post season too.
Find any Joe Flacco stat…go ahead I’ll give you time. Ok, got one? It’s a good one. There are no numbers you can find on Joe to make him out to be the terrible QB you accuse him of being. (ok, his fumbles need to be worked on, and he has gotten better down the stretch this season) And Sanchez? Please don’t make me laugh.
How about his completion percentage which speaks volumes for what I’m telling you guys. What individual stat not team stat can you tell me that has you loving him so much.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mark Sanchez has good playoff numbers? Who told you that? He’s had a good game, but his playoff numbers range between awful and average
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Meant playoff win/loss record.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh..well, when they were winning playoff games, they had an awesome defense, and an amazing running game.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
How many playoff games has he won. They aren’t there right now, so I think that speaks volumes about the type of QB Sanchez is. It also doesn’t help when multiple people in his own locker room call him soft, lazy, and just plain bad.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 23, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Leading the NFL in interceptions doesn’t help your case either.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
How about his completion percentage which speaks volumes for what I’m telling you guys. What individual stat not team stat can you tell me that has you loving him so much
You mean his career completion percentage over 60? The fact that it was lower than his career average this year has already been explained to you in detail by Ampallang and others. We are at the top of the league in drops, the o line is suspect, and the whole passing offense is based on long developing routes and low percentage throws, yet he still puts up average to above average numbers in all statistical categories. You are just a blind hater. You have absolutely no argument other than “Joe sucks”. You lose.
We just need One more good Receiver and Joe would be fine. If Joe had the Falcons receivers this discussion wouldn’t exist. He’s certainly better than Cutler and Ryan and Sanchez based off the sheer fact that the Ravens have made the playoffs every single damn year. Flacco is bound to get a SB soon if not this year. This is the first good QB we have had in awhile since McNair.
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Come on Andy
Shady McCoy is Still Dirty
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another good WR would help any team, but that’s not the issue. Cam knows he has an O line that isn’t capable of holding up for 5-10 seconds, yet he calls long developing plays so we don’t have a chance to get it to our WRs, even if we had Jerry Rice in his prime and Calvin Johnson. A new coordinator and a new system that ACTUALLY FITS OUR PLAYERS and this is a top 10 offense, at worst.
cam knows he has an O line that isn’t capable of holding up for 5-10 seconds,
I wouldnt say that the ravens dont have a on line that isnt capable of holding up for 5-10 seconds because they have before but its more of the fact that they dont hold up consistently for 5-10 seconds.
but its more of the fact that they dont hold up consistently for 5-10 seconds.
That’s what I meant. And really, they don’t hold up consistently for 3-4 seconds, even against a 4 man rush on many occasions. I never see us have a huge pocket, giving Joe some room to move around, it’s always cramped and collapsing.
dude, 5-10 seconds is an eternity in the NFL
most plays—not READS but whole plays—take about 7 seconds. That’s 3 to 4 to get rid of the ball, 1 second in the air, and 2 to 3 seconds of running before the ball is in some way stopped.
It’s true we do have an offense that really needs about 5 seconds of protection, but there are very, very few offensive lines in this league that can protect for that amount of time. Defenses are getting more complicated, pass rushes are getting to the QB faster, and the best offenses have a lot of plays designed to get the ball out quickly. That’s not to say they don’t have deep shots built-in, but the best offenses don’t revolve around that.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Flacco after the loss
When the Ravens don’t do well this Sunday up in Forborough, it will be painfully obvious to the Baltimore fan-base that Joe Flacco’s ho-hum play was to blame. The guy’s a game manager (at best) and game manager’s can’t pick their team up when they really need it… when they really need a series of big plays from their QB.
Right now, Joe’s a nice match for this Raven’s team and so I very much doubt they’d dump him for losing a rematch game to Tom Brady in Gillette ! Baltimore will continue to rely on its stout defense for most of its wins and, as long as Joe can throw for his 228 yards and limit his picks and, Ray Rice stays healty – the Ravens will get their fair share of wins. Some years they’ll win the division and some years they won’t. In my humble opinion, Joe will have to become a more dynamic passer before he can get his team to the Super Bowl.
*dynamic scheme
there I’ve fixed that for you
by GayleG on Jan 19, 2012 6:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it will be painfully obvious to the Baltimore fan-base that Joe Flacco’s ho-hum play was to blame. The guy’s a game manager (at best) and game manager’s can’t pick their team up when they really need it… when they really need a series of big plays from their QB.
Well thats not going to happen so Joe Flacco will be fine
the Ravens will get their fair share of wins. Some years they’ll win the division and some years they won’t. In my humble opinion
are you a physic?
jazz
No… just a keen observer of the game.
by profootballfan on Jan 19, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
You’re a nimrod…put that on your blog
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The guy’s a game manager (at best) and game manager’s can’t pick their team up when they really need it… when they really need a series of big plays from their QB.
Please watch the first Houston game, 2nd Pitt game and 49ers game. Those are 3 of the top 4 defenses in this league (the other being us) and you will see how many plays he made against them. He’s more than capable of making big plays.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
You Are So Right-!
Because Flacco failed to pick his team up when they were down by four with less than five minutes left, on the road, in Pittsburgh this year. And he also failed to pick his team up when they were down by 21 at the half against the Cardinals this year… And the Ravens really didn’t need those two wins because they wouldn’t have gotten a home playoff game this season anyway…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
He never scored 21 unanswered in the 4th quarter in Minnesota after Brett Favre and Adrian Peterson skull-dragged the defense down the field the whole game up until that point. Never happened.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
He never scored 21 unanswered in the 4th quarter in Minnesota after Brett Favre and Adrian Peterson skull-dragged the defense down the field the whole game up until that point. Never happened.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
All I could think of after that game is “nobody is going to give Flacco any credit for this because we didn’t win.” If we had won people would have gone nuts over Flacco’s performance, it was sensational.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Same with the comeback in the Falcons game last year and while the final play was questionable the D still let them drive down there in what like 45 seconds?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
… the final play was questionable …
Just the final play? I’m still trying to figure out how a receiver can maintain possession of a ball that’s visibly moving in his hands.
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I’d get a guy like Henne or Sanchez to back Flacco. That’ll push him to play better and will prove whether Flacco’s struggles are the system or his own ceiling. And if Flacco plays awful, you can bring in the younger backup to see if he’s any good. I think this is where you should go if Flacco fails in the AFC championship game.
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Flacco is flat-out better than both of those guys, the statistical comparison isn’t even close.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
This
it is not a competition at all. And Joe never plays “awful”, so there wouldn’t be a need to bring in one of those bums.
Honestly, comparing Sanchez and Flacco really calls into question someone’s familiarity with those players.
Honestly, it’s an indictment of the media that a casual fan could ever get the impression that those two QBs are at all comparable.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I know that you think Flacco is better. But I'm basically arguing for you to get a cheap QB with some potential to back him up.
So if he really isn’t “your guy” it’ll become apparent when his backup outplays him. But if it’s the system, you can find that out by looking into that.
And BTW, Sanchez isn’t that far off from Flacco. I’ve watched a lot of Sanchez and I think he’s actuallly half-decent but not a franchise QB. Definitely a game-manager at best. So is Flacco. The question is: I think Sanchez struggled with poor play-calling and diva WRs (see Holmes, Santonio). His O-line didn’t block crap.
Why not take a flier on a Colin Kaepernick type to back up Flacco. Maybe if Flacco plays horrible and doesn’t improve, you have a plan B.
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Sanchez doesn’t stand tall in the pocket to make throws. He curls up, ala Blaine Gabbert. Unless he changes that, he’ll never be an okay QB.
Flacco has never not taken a hit, to make the throw. However, he did get a little rattled in the Houston game. Our OL wasn’t ready for all the stunts they ran. He did start peaking at the pass rush too much. This happens to all QBs when there’s constant pressure. Even Brady gets happy feet occasionally (ex: the Jets playoff game last year. Our playoff game in 2009).
Regarding the game manager slight, Brady was a great “game-manager” when he won ALL of his SBs. Since he’s become “elite,” he hasn’t won shit. So the term game manager, shouldn’t be a four letter word.
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I still don't see
why you guys bristle at the idea of getting a solid backup. Look at Matt Flynn or Bryan Hoyer or T.J. Yates or Kyle Orton/Tim Tebow, or Matt Moore.
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we've had Marc Bulger
I have no problem with getting decent backup. But there is no QB competition because a guy like Sanchez can’t hold a candle to Flacco.
Look at the numbers bro, Flacco is leaps and bounds better. Sanchez led the NFL in interceptions one year for Christ’s sake! Flacco has never even approached the top of the league in interceptions!
It’s not even close. The statistics for this year were pretty ugly on Flacco, but look at their career stats and TD to INT ratios and there’s just no comparison.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
You're not counting the Jets game?
You dont’ think if you had Cam Newton or Ben Roethlisberger your offense would improve?
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But we don’t. Flacco is who we have and he’s worlds apart from anybody else we could bring in.
Go back and look at Drew Brees’ first three seasons in San Diego. They thought he didn’t develop fast enough so they drafted Rivers. Then Brees found the right system to blossom in and he took the league by storm.
I’m not making a similar prediction for Flacco, but to call him “a game-manager at best” is just absurd. He’s already proven himself to be better than a game-manager and clearly has the potential to be special.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Honestly, to call him a game-manager reeks of someone who has only seen the box scores and not watched the game.
See, I’ve watched a lot of Sanchez too because my dad is a Jets fan (and NOT a Sanchez fan). So since you and I have watched those games, we both know that Sanchez has a lot more potential than his stats indicated. I get that. STILL, he throws wayyy to many interceptions, but with better coaching, I could see him improving.
But with Flacco, not only are his numbers—especially on TD vs INT ratio—far superior, but also anybody who has watched this guy play consistently just knows for a fact that he’s better than a game-manager. Someone who regularly watches sports center and brushes up on Flacco’s stats before a Ravens game doesn’t get that, which isn’t your fault. But if you had seen Flacco’s whole body of work (this season especially the first Texans game, the 49ers game, and both Steelers games), you’d see that he’s had a lot of games where he has in fact used his weapons very effectively and killed opponents. Game managers don’t do that, and Mark Sanchez has pretty much never done that.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
As a Ravens fan, I feel your should cut Marsha and fire belicheat
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where'd Marsha come from?
LOL. That’s why You’re a Ravens fan and I’m a Patriots fan.
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Flacco is better than those guys. I don’t hate Flacco I just brain washed myself before the season thinking that he would be a 4000 yard passer with 30 td. Was very disappointed this year in his stats. I hope he does great on Sunday but this season his stats sucked ass.
by Raven_all_day on Jan 19, 2012 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Stats are all well and good but they aren’t the end all be all of evaluating a talent and stats sure as shit don’t always translate into W/Ls.
Don’t put a ton on stock into the talking heads either, they get paid to create controversy and like to pound numbers into everyone’s head to make them believe what they’re selling.
Allllllll good.
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by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
No worries. A lot of good football talk was presented in the thread. I had my doubts earlier too. I wanted the same thing before the season. He’ll get there someday. He’s just got to put in the time, and the game will continue to slow down for him.
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I just don’t get why people are more concerned with 4000 yards passing than they are with continuing to win.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
cause look at how many 5000 yard passers are left fighting for a ring!!! Its the end all of how a team will perform when you take every cent and push it into a perfect line and WRs
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
thanks Nick
I don’t get the Flacco hate… Good for laughs
by Evan Skev on Jan 19, 2012 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
C'mon guys!
Are we really gonna use winning a Superbowl in Flacco’s fourth year as a criteria for deciding if we keep him or not. Look where we are. Look at the opportunity we have had every year in the Flacco era. Quarterbacks are at a premium in this league. Personally I’m glad we are a tough team oriented team. Besides, who are you gonna get as Flacco’s replacement? these guys don’t fall out of the sky.
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It depends on how the Ravens lose (should they lose) at Gillette. If Baltimore gets down by two scores early and Cameron asks Flacco to go and get it done through the air and Flacco gets sacked a couple times or he throws a pick or he simply cannot get his team into the endzone often enough – I think that Baltimore fans might grumble a bit.
by profootballfan on Jan 20, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think that Baltimore fans might grumble a bit.
Sounds like a regular day in Baltimore. Fortunately, the fans aren’t involved in contract negotiations.
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Even if the Ravens get beat-up in Gillette, I think the Ravens should stay with Flacco – he’s a good match for their style of play. And, he has been a consistent winner for Baltimore.
But, if Joe does play poorly on Sunday afternoon, many a Raven faithful will begin to wonder if Joe Flacco can win the big one – has he got what it takes to lead his team to a Super Bowl win ?
by profootballfan on Jan 20, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter what fans think… Especially rival fans
Not a bit.
by Evan Skev on Jan 20, 2012 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ask John Elway that?
Tim Tebow is going to be his starter week 1 whether he likes it or not
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
Fans already wonder that.
Just like Amp said, it’s a regular day in Baltimore.
The very idea that looking at a guy’s first four seasons and using those to decide whether or not he can win the big one is so amazingly absurd. The number of QBs who won it all in their first four years is incredibly exclusive, and the number of those QBs who won it by basically putting their teams on their backs is even more exclusive still. Ben’s first Super Bowl he played horribly in. Eli played great. Brady played well enough but didn’t leave anybody expecting him to throw for 50 TDs in a season.
The simple fact is that a guy’s first four years don’t tell you that much. Especially with the very well-documented issues with coaching and wide receivers.
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by jackmca on Jan 21, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, misread the title of the post...
It uses winning in Foxborough as a criteria. That validates my point even further.
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i disagree
while u should expect greatness from your team flacco is a winning playoff qb winning 5 playoff games is very rare the ravens are a vitmem of bad tilming form the 01 inj to J Lewis to the heartbreaking loss in 03 to tenn to the 04 05 06 -07 disappointing it is your turn but brady is joe montana like and is Hard to beat nominal i would root for u guys and i still might but i was impressed with NE letting up on us and not running it up like they do everyone else i was shocked they could had score 70 on den easy the ravens always scare me and i wanted no part of u in the playoffs because of your 4 hall of fame defenders
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I think getting rid of Flacco is an overreaction...
but I think you should definitely get a new OC.
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Holy shit. A Kobe fan with a Boston accent would be the most annoying thing ever.
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Haha. Neither. I have a foreign accent. My dad immigrated to Boston and I grew up in Ohio. Hence the Buckeyes and Indians. The Patriots are my
strongest sports allegiance. I like the lakers because it’s fun to watch Kobe when the game’s on. I live in NC now. :P
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where u from dude
And yes, most people expect us to get a new OC. There is zero chance of us letting Flacco go.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
this is now or never for *in joe flacco we trust*
Total agreement with the original post. With that defense, old or not, this defensive core of the ravens carried the franchise since 2000. All that Flacco has to do since his arrival, is to manage well enough, use ray rice often, AND converting 3rd down under 12 yards. Flacco has the easiest job in the nfl, QBacking this stellar defensive in your face franchise.
To be a winner, he needs to read the Trent Dilfer book. Dont cry at the media, dont get attention on yourself, dont try to win it by yourself. He SIMPLY need to manage an intelligent, no risk, simple slants and screens on 3rd down for us to demolish NE.
NE didnt beat anybody this year, brady didnt pummeled any good team this year. We are lucky to face such a poor team defense in the semifinal. Joe has to take adv of this 31th defense and take some INTELLIGENT SAFE shots down field. Dont blame your off line, these guys are making you look good most of the time
Flacco has the easiest job in the nfl, QBacking this stellar defensive in your face franchise.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing that has been said yet on this thread. Obviously you agree with the original post, because you haven’t read the myriad comments below it illustrating how erroneous it is. Just scroll up and find anything highlighted in green—which none of the anti-Flacco comments are.
To be a winner, he needs to read the Trent Dilfer book. Dont cry at the media, dont get attention on yourself, dont try to win it by yourself. He SIMPLY need to manage an intelligent, no risk, simple slants and screens on 3rd down for us to demolish NE.
Hoh-lee shit, private. What about Joe Flacco is even remotely close to how awful Trent Dilfer was? Dilfer, in 2000, threw for 1500 yards in 11 games, throwing 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Thats fucking terrible.
And simple slants and screens on 3rd downs? Oh I’d LOVE that but the problem is we hardly ever do that. I have no idea what team you’ve been watching all year but apparently it wasn’t coached by Cam Cameron.
Joe has to take adv of this 31th defense and take some INTELLIGENT SAFE shots down field.
Again, I’m trying to be polite here, but I’m failing, because this is friggin RETARDED. Intelligent, safe shots downfield? Like the ones against Houston where he didn’t throw an INT against the 2nd ranked defense in the league? Or the ones against Pittsburgh? Or the ones against San Francisco? I’d say he takes some pretty intelligent and safe shots, that is, when his guys are open and he has time to throw.
Dont blame your off line, these guys are making you look good most of the time.
Example?
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
by jackmca on Jan 21, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Where to Begin
I’ll work backwards. Our O-line? Did you watch the Texans playoff game? (probably not) Absolutely horrid! Five sacks! Five sacks they gave up. And, they got about as much push in the running game as the “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” lady. So put those two “good” (your word) aspects of our line together, and Joe had no running game to lean on, and every time he dropped back to pass he has a Texan in his face or on his back. Good O-line my a$$…
Simple slants and screens? That would be a mostly West Coast style offense that our OC refuses to call. Sorry, not Joe’s fault on that score.
And the whole converting of third downs of under twelve yards is ridiculous- not even worth addressing. You know what the league average for third down conversion of four or five yards or more is? Pretty low…
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by vlad755 on Jan 21, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And, they got about as much push in the running game as the "I’ve fallen and I can’t get up" lady.
HAAAAAA! niiiiice.
Look, its like this. Problem solved, problem staying solved. This shit IS NOT FUCKING OPTIONAL. We are going to take care of this shit tomorrow. It’s getting done. We’re no longer dealing in hypotheticals. It. Is. Going. Down.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
I think the reason that fans get so down on Flacco really stems from how other QBs are perceived as doing. There are numerous QBs that threw for over 5000 yards this year and that gets a ton of attention in the media. A lot of the fans that tend to criticize Flacco also tend to be the ones that don’t watch the games (just see or hear highlights) or have never played a down of organized football. Its easy to watch ESPN at the end of the day and get the impression that Brady was perfect all game long and Brees was amazing. But when you watch those games, you see that Brady frequently throws behind his receivers and that Brees throws interceptions like they are party favors. A lot of what makes those guys successful has to do with scheme and the personnel around them bailing them out.
Just watch a few other complete games from these Elite QBs and you’ll see a 5 yard dump-off get turned into an 85 yard touchdown, or see a WR so wide open that you’d think the defense didn’t realize the play had started, or an Oline block for so long they start commercials in the middle of a play. Or even better, you see a scheme that uses all the routes in the route tree and uses them based on what the opposition is doing. It, more often than not, is the scheme and other players that make a QB look great than it is the QB just being perfect on every throw and threading the needle every play.
People rag on Flacco for a perceived weakness in accuracy. Watching a game on TV only shows 1/3 of the actual play and you only see the passes where Flacco seems to put the ball a little off his target. What you don’t see or understand is that that route was run incorrectly, or the DB is coming in for a pick, or there is a free rusher so he has to throw it quicker. We as fans only get a chance to see the end result and its easier to quickly blame Flacco than it is anything else because its hard to realize that there are so many other factors in a play going well.
While I think most of us wouldnt say that Flacco is perfect or Elite, you have to admit that in a run first scheme, Flacco performs as well as any other QB in the league. We don’t put pressure on him to throw it 60 times a game, we don’t ask him to do anything other than look deep and if that isn’t there, throw it to Rice. Now is where we get down to scheme and you can see some of the other issues that affect the outcome of each play….
Take a quick read at this article. Its well written and covers the underlying issues. As you can see, a well respected analyst that watches more film than anyone we know agrees that our system is designed to minimize risk, while never giving Flacco the ability to succeed on a regular basis. Things like
They don’t do a lot to help their receivers win versus man.
I feel like I’m watching a 1960s offense.
The Ravens’ receiving corps could be the absolute worst in the NFL when it comes to getting open versus man coverage
it seemed that last week [against the Houston Texans] the route tree was a go route and a screen
don’t really help Cam’s case here. When the system, in the words of a pro, looks like a 1960’s offensive scheme, it means that Flacco is set up to fail pretty early. Now Cam goes on to attack those thoughts with “yeah, but we did it in SD and we were #1 in offense” which is immediately alarming to me when you have to rely on the work of roughly 8 years ago with a completely different set of personnel to convince anyone that your schemes actually work. It also speaks to his character as a person to immediately be so defensive and push others under the bus when the numbers speak for themselves.
To me, that article spells the downfall of Cam right there and by reasoning, should push off a little blame from Flacco. The greatest way to tell is just by looking at when Flacco was given a chance to succeed and given some responsibility, and you see that he has done very well(late game heroics every year). When asked not to screw up, we have close games that rely too much on defense and not getting surprised.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So, do we look for a quarterback in the draft or try to pick up a free agent? Perhaps Raven_all_day would like to chime in here.
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Of course.
We need a QB who not only can make the tight throws into nearly closed windows, but who can duct tape the ball to their hands before they drop it. The obvious choice would be Tyrod; he’s fast enough to run with his own (slow) throw. But maybe we could find a Randel El or Cribbs, a college option QB who is faster than Tyrod with an even weaker arm. That’ll make it easier for him to beat his own pass.
And at that point, we can just send all the receivers on gos to take the defense out, and Tyrod (or his faster replacement) can throw it to himself. Like I used to do in 1v1 touch football in elementary school. Then, we can even keep Cam. I’m sure he can come up with something for that offense (and I’m sure it’d be then that he’d chance to a West Coast offense).
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by organizedchaos52 on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Flacco
Flacco has the capability to be an elite QB, he just needs to be more comfortable nside the pocket, and not flip out if the scenario comes to him leaving the pocket, he is 6’6’’ he should have no problem seing over the line, the line is doing great, afew times this season i saw the slip up and let sombody through, but if they just do alot more blocking drills this offseason, and Flacco works on accuracy, we should be good.
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