Open Letters
Open Letter to Ed Dickson:
1) When you've been given a 9 route, and you see that your route takes you through the cloud zones of both a linebacker and a safety, you are allowed to make adjustments to your route to get open. You are not a robot.
2) Catch. The. Damn. Ball.
3) When the pass protection breaks down--as it did often Sunday and it has all year--it is your responsibility to come back to the QB. Being the receiver lined up closest to the QB makes it especially important that you break off your route and run back to the passer because you're probably the most convenient option for Flacco. Throwing to the outside may not be an option if that's where he's taking pressure from. He's going to need to be able to step forward and throw. He needs his TE to be there.
Ed Dickson, you have not been there.
Open Letter to Dennis Pitta:
You're obviously the better route-runner, have more chemistry with Flacco, aren't as horrific at blocking, and you catch everything. Am I missing something? Is there some reason you aren't starting that I'm not aware of?
Side note to Cam Cameron:
Cam, glad to see you brought American Express into the game plan in the 2nd half. Those in-game adjustments we've been talking about? That's what we like to see. But it begs the question, why not just start the guy right now? Isn't he obviously the better football player?
And another thing. It's 3rd and long. You put Pitta in the backfield. I like what I'm seeing. Then he stays in to block. Flacco throws deep down the sideline--again. It's incomplete. Again. If you just needed a blocker on that play, is there any reason to put Pitta in at all? Why not Ricky Williams or Vonta Leach? Why not at least have Pitta release after a few seconds to give Flacco a high-percentage option if there's nothing downfield?
And why do you continuously go deep on 2nd and 10 knowing full well how often it has simply resulted in a 3rd and 10?
Open Letter to Lee Evans:
Wow! So that's what you've been capable of this whole time? I'm not sure if I'm angry that it took you this long to make a consequential play or if I'm just happy to have you on board at the right time. You owe us more amazing catches against the Patriots. Your debt is not yet paid.
Sincerely,
Jack
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I think Dickson is only starting over Pitta because off potentials. Ravens like to go deep
and Dickson is more capable to be effective on vertical routes than pitta. I think pitta should start over Dickson but its not likely to happen
We definitely need to see some more of the white tight end.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
yep, Pitta finds the hole in the zone better and catches the ball. He should be our 3rd down TE.
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Along With
Being our first and second down TE. There, fixed that for ya…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
"Dennis Pitta
The very best there is. When you absolutely positively gotta catch every mf’in ball in the game – Accept no substitutes."
(with apologies to Jules)
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Cam is willing to trade an entire series for one shot at the end zone. Much of the time resulting in a 3 and out putting a tired D back on the field. The guy doesn’t get it. Our offensive series following our 17-3 lead, Ray Rice wasn’t even on the field for the entire series. 3 and out. The run on 2nd and 10 is a joke. Everyone knows Flacco is a near disaster on 3rd and long when the pass is obvious and the D is all out blitzing.
Cam MUST establish the run by at least starting the game run, run pass (or run). We had the Texans on the ropes and let them off in the 2nd quarter by going 3 and out after abandoning the run. It was even worse because Joe was getting mauled. I’ll take my chances with alternate running of Ray and Ricky. How about hitting a TE in stride. Seems like they have to sit on the grass over the middle to get a pass. Catch and crash targets is what Flaccco is getting. Very little leading the receiver unless its a screen.
I’d like to see Flacco without Cam. He’s not getting better and I think he has the arm to get better.
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"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Raven…you just made a positive Flacco posting with no demeaning nicknames.
What’s wrong, sire
by Evan Skev on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i am convinced its cam. i just lumped them together which is not fair. all in all, flacco has made 2 great throws in very win to counter otherwise average play. BUT, the fact is, flacco MADE those 2 great throws. many others have average games and don’t. i figure i’ve beaten flacco up enough. he is what he is but he plays under herky jerky non-fluid play calling.
Cam has weird tendencies.
It feels like on the first series that Ricky sees the field, we always run him 3 times in a row and hope to get a first down.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Check the stats
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13272/ed-dickson
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13231/dennis-pitta
Ed Dickson has had more catches, more yards, and more TDs this season than Dennis Pitta. Pitta was made famous to everyone by Terrell Suggs giving him nicknames and such. The stats indicate who they trust, Flacco trusts, and why he’s starting… Just my 2cents.
Plus I’m sure John Harbaugh has some say on who starts also being the Head Coach, probably more say on who is starting than Cam Cameron.
Pitta had one catch all of last year FYI
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How many more snaps, drops and blown blocking assignments has Dickson had though? A lot more to it than simply who has more catches and yards.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
if you want to go there
ESPN pointed out than Anquan Boldin led our team in drops… But I dont see anyone asking for him to not start this season.
More passes thrown your way=more opportunities for dropped passes
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/36797/browns-tied-for-nfl-lead-in-drops.
UPDATED stat I found while looking for the above link. Both Ray Rice and Anquan ended the season with 7 drops
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Because there’s no body on our team to match anywhere even close to Boldin’s production. I don’t even have to look up Pitta’s stats. He’s got 0 drops.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
really?
Because Ed DIckson has more TDs than he does too
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
He only had 3 less catches than Boldin but doesnt register in the top 10 in drops… Just something to think about
SN: Is there a way to edit comments??
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
So are you suggesting we bench Boldin for Dickson? Different positions. The closest guy to Boldin outside of Torrey is Lee and he only has a couple more catches than I do on the year.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I never suggested benching ANYONE
Im saying to criticize Dickson for drops and no one else is wrong. He doesnt even lead the team in drops.
Probably didnt even have the most drops yesterday. Im still looking for the link so I can verify this
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is suggesting Benching him only that Pitta should get more playing time because him and Flacco seem to have a better chemistry right now along with his drops. The reason nobody is suggesting benching Boldin or giving someone more snaps is because there is no player comparable to Boldin to give more time too. There is someone behind Dickson who can be just as effective as he can though. Dickson has been targeted 33 more times which is why he has better stats. Flacco has completed 54 of his 89 attempts to Dickson and has completed 40 of 56 attempts to Pitta. That’s a 61 percent completion percentage to Dickson and 71 percent to Pitta. There’s other factors in that, but that should speak to the type of chemistry Joe and Pitta have. Like I said nobody is suggesting Dickson shouldn’t play only that Pitta has earned more snaps.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Where did you get the targetting stat from?
I linked to the articles saying how many total drops the Ravens had.
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
For give me if my math is a bit off I did it quickly, but going by those numbers if Pitta was to continue at his percentage and YPC he would be at around 63 receptions to Dickson’s 54 and 635 yards to Dickson’s 528. So judging by the stats he actually is producing at a higher rate.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Jan 16, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also since Jazz pointed out Pitta has 1 drop that is 1 drop per 40 completions. I would feel comfortable saying Dickson has 5 drops which would put him at around 1 drop per 11 completions.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Maybe 4 drops, or so but you get the idea.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
can we get a link to those targeting stats?
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
It’s just the statistics section on ESPN and you have to scroll through and find them.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
this one is ravens team
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
If my numbers and recollection are correct. Dropped passes yesterday were Anquan, Torrey Smith x2, Ed Dickson, Ray Rice
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
just the espn statistics for receiving yards. I just limited it to AFC and had to find Dickson and Pitta going through the leaders.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Slightly off topic… How many dropped balls on the Ravens side yesterday? Link?
by Evan Skev on Jan 16, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
5 total dropped passes
I believe most in the 1st quarter. Dont know where I read it. It was listed like right after the game. Im thinking ESPN AFC North blog in the snap judgements but I’m not positive
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I got banned from BTSC today… John Stephens claimed here were only 3 drops but I swore I saw 6… Then he and the other tool mod baited me into an argument and i told them how I felt about pitt
by Evan Skev on Jan 16, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
5 drops
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/40447/ravens-way-wont-cut-it-in-new-england
It doesnt mentioned who had each drop though
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
& Torrey Smith had 5. Leave Ed Dickson alone. Im sticking with the only reason anyone even really noticed to single him out is because T.Sizzle is constantly caught on camera giving Pitta praise when he catches a pass. We dont know if the same is happening with Dickson catches a pass or not
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=receiving&rank=232&year=
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 16, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Suggs has nothing to do with it. Pitta has the best hands on the team and can produce the same as Dickson. Dickson has the higher upside and is the better athlete, but nowhere near the hands of Pitta. That’s why people have brought it up. Nobody is saying Bench Dickson and don’t play him at all, just that Pitta deserves more time.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
There is more to it than simply yards and TD’s. Pitta doesn’t get as many snaps as Dickson, so of course he’s not going to put up better numbers.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Dickson has "Travis Taylor" hands
Unbelievable catch one minute, inexcusable drop the next.
I say give Pitta more play time and work the middle of the field more often; he and Rice are the only sure-handed guys on the team.
Rice had 7 drops too… Anquan, Rice & Torrey Smith led the team in drops
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by Matchz Malone on Jan 17, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
All of the Rice drops that I can remember off the top of my head were kindof tricky throws that Joe made. A lot of times Joe would throw behind him or it would seem like he wasn’t where he was expected to be. Against Cleveland and again on Sunday Dickson had some really good throws bounce right off his hands. And I don’t need to remind you about Pittsburgh last year.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
When did he drop a pass against Pitt?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
on 4th down, it ended the game. He was open in the flat with nobody to stop him from crossing the first-down line.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
If I remember correctly,
Joe severely underthrew that pass. I figured that was the play you were talking about, but I remember it as Joe guiding a pass and missing rather than a Dickson drop.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
it wasn’t thrown perfectly but Dickson had both hands on it. That’s a drop you can’t live with.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I remember him getting his hands on it
around his ankles after having to turn around on a route into the flat. I was far angrier at Joe, I think.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
we seem to be remembering it differently. We could go back and watch the tape, but that would just make both of us angry.
Skip it.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
May make me angry,
but I have tape of 2 games this year that would quickly eradicate it.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
That ball was either tipped or just thrown badly…
by Evan Skev on Jan 17, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
true…and if he made a play, it would have been a diving play…and not diving forward… or maybe tipped and picked… who knows
I believe we refer to those as “Clayton-hands” these days
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t Tandon Doss wear 89 at some point this season?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Because he had so much more success with 17 :p hahaha
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I would add
the fact that people seem to think that Dickson had more drops than he really did speaks to the moments in which he had those drops: they were very memorable. Torrey has had some pretty bad drops but they’re almost all on low-percentage throws. Dickson, on the other hand, has looked like he’s playing volleyball on a few of those drops.
Pitta has the better hands of the two and I think that by itself should be enough to warrant him taking the majority of the playing time between the two. But add to that the higher catch per target rate and Dickson’s atrocity at both blocking and route running, and I think it’s pretty hard to make the case for Dickson.
As for Dickson having more targets, there’s really two reasons for that. One, he’s played more. A lot more. And two, Flacco has always been a TE-heavy QB. Whoever the TE is on a Flacco offense is going to get targeted a lot. That has always been the case.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
But have the Ravens been running 2 or 3 TE sets?
It is what it is
If Pitta and Dickson are in on the same snap, it is usually with one of them in the slot or in the backfield. Between the two, Dickson has had the better end of the playing time.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I think Slant routes, The occasional deep-ball, and feeding it to Rice
will be the key to this game. We aren’t looking to obliterate, we are looking to win. Enough with the (attempted) highlight plays, and get back to the bread and butter. That being said, we can’t fall behind early either. Our defense needs to shut down that passing game. I think we have the receivers covered, it’s the tight-ends I’m worried about. Those athletic monsters against our one-size fits all run-stopping LBs is a match-up in hell. Anxious to see how Pagano handles it.
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Also, we have to stop with the drops
The long ball is only effective if you CATCH IT.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but when you drop it it’s ineffective.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
With our personnel, I feel like I could scheme our way down the field with slants, circles, angles, drags, and 5-yard-square-ins in the passing game, while using the stretch, the off-tackle, and the draw in the running game. But that would be a west-coast offense, which we don’t run.
That would slow down the pass rush, get Joe in a rhythm, and get the ball out of his hands quickly, while allowing our great athletes to run after the catch. THEN you switch it up with a deep shot.
Not iso run. Stuffed, 2nd and 10. Deep shot down the right sideline. Incomplete. 3rd and 10, verticals again, coverage sack. That was our scheme last game.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
If I Have Learned Nothing Else
This season, I have learned that going vertical on second and 10 is not a good thing…
I always thought there was the old saw about going deep on second and short (1 or 2) because the theory was you could most likely pick up the first down on third and short…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
exactly
3rd and short is a good position to be in in this league. 3rd and 10, not so much.
Like we said on the Pats thread, teams win Super Bowls with their pass rush. 3rd and 10 is possibly your biggest enemy in the playoffs. Cam is magnetically attracted to 3rd and 10 it seems.
Re-watch our game-winning drive against Pittsburgh. We were able to hit the sidelines by using crossing routes on some of those plays. Why not do that during the middle of the game?
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Can you please interview for Offensive Coordinator?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Believe me, it’s my dream job.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I want to be in the Front Office of any pro team so bad. That’s my dream job. Ozzie is my role model.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Get in touch with DeCosta and learn his story. You can do it…
Get after it
by Evan Skev on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To give the devil his due
one big reason they keep Dickson as being the official starter could be not to hurt a guy’s confidence who clearly has some mental issues catching the ball when we need it most. Cam has used Pitta a decent bit in the past few games, so Pitta’s performance is being rewarded, but there is something to be said for not getting down on Dickson.
Just trying to acknowledge the counter to my argument.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
After watching Harbaugh on Sound FX last night
I almost puked when he told Cam -“You’re always right”
Just looked on the NFL site and could not find a link
They may replay it later in the week.
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Reed comments about the offense. Good thing or Bad?
"I think Joe was kind of rattled a little bit by that defense," Reed said. "They had a lot of guys in the box on him. And, I mean, they were getting to him. I think a couple times he needed to get rid of the ball. I don’t know how much of the play calling, he could have made audibles or anything like that, checks or whatnot, man, but it just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense, you know, of times past. You know, it was just kind of like they was telling him to do, throw the ball or get it here, you know, get it to certain guys. And he can’t play like that."
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I love Ed Reed
But he needs to stick to playing safety.
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 17, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I Wonder How Much
Of this is Cam beating the same drum into Joe’s skull. Telling Joe that in this situation you must go here, and in that situation you must go there… Sometimes the defense doesn’t always do what you want them to do… After a while, if someone keeps telling you the same thing over and over and over and over, you eventually just do it from rote. I really think our offensive staff really tries to over think things and it is effecting Joe.
We keep talking about how Jimmy Smith just needs to stop thinking and reacting on defense and just relax, play and let ’er rip -and let his G-d given instincts and talents take over. Maybe the same advice should be passed on to Flacco.
I think I am echoing the theory many posters on here have stated about Cam keeping the training wheels on; keeping Joe, still, on a tight leash.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Yea, from what I’ve seen and read over the last 4 years, Cam and Joe just don’t mesh. He may be causing Joe to overthink, or Joe may be just going through the motions of Cam’s offense like a robot. Joe strikes me as a person who never had a rebel against your parents faze growing up. Joe needs to tell Cam to fuck off once and awhile and do his own thing (shotgun spread ’em out hurry up). Someone should get him some ACDC and Zeppelin.
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I’d love to see him do a Jim McMahon
by Evan Skev on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
The Fu ManJoe is the first step? Sometimes, as a kid, you sneak one cig, than it is a little sip out of the whiskey bottle; then you progress to draining half the vodka bottle and then refilling it with water; then it is figuring out how to sneak out of the house (and back in again) on a school night for a late night hook-up on the “other side of town”, then it is full-on joy riding the backhoes on construction sites up and down the York Road corridor… But I wouldn’t know anything about the latter during the mid ’80’s…
The ’stache may be Joe sneaking that first cig…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
by vlad755 on Jan 17, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what you St. Paul's boys do for fun?
Sneak onto construction sites? Man, continually more glad I ended up where I did.
/jokes
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
You Haven't
Lived until you have gone all Dale Earnhardt in a bobcat… But like I said, I wouldn’t know anything about that…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I'll continue not to live then, thanks.
That just seems silly to me.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Now -we are all old and gray and have kids and responsibilities and are “respectable” members of the community who pay taxes, etc. But when you are 15/16/17 and maybe are aided by some substance or the other, certain things have a certain appeal… at that particular moment…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I'm certainly closer to the latter rather than the former.
But even under aid, I never had an inkling to do such a thing.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 18, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am Sure
You have heard, “Hey, watch this!” -usually involves alcohol and a potential visit to the ER and/or county lock-up…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
When I was 14-15 years old, I drove an ATV with a friend from Finksburg to E-burg to a party just to see a girl. Trust me, I totally get what you mean.
That’s just one of a couple hundred ridiculous “drunk, dumb kid moments” of my life.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
We All
Well, most of us, have been there… Especially as you point out if it involves a female…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Booze and girls….two sure things to cloud a guys judgement.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm no fan of Cam Cameron
but what we have here is a Raven—who should have kept his mouth shut—giving us some pretty hard evidence that a lot of our woes on Sunday were on Flacco.
I think you guys just really want to find an excuse for him.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Ed Reed may be right. To keep things in perspective, Suggs also wanted Troy Smith to start at one point.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
who knows
Flacco may come all out like “F YOU ED REED” and throw for 300 yards on the Pats.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Ed Reed didn’t malign Flacco… he maligned the play calling, the OC and the O line
He said Flacco didn’t seem to have his usual handle on the O… as if the OC was only giving him one choice…
He gave a specific example… it’s not up for interpretation… he explained what he meant…
Why is this difficult to understand?
He said that Flacco was rattled. You can’t just conveniently leave out that important piece of information while trying to convince people your opinion of what he said is a fact. Unless of course, play calling can somehow rattle a quarterback.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Mostly because I know how much you love me. You can ignore what I said, but it’s true. You’re doing exactly what you accuse the media of doing. You’re twisting the story to suit your own agenda.
Who’s Ruprecht though? Must be someone important since you didn’t spell it rupr
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
you still haven’t answered my questions about the draft and rothlis playing in the pro bowl…
but as long as you’re enjoying the Ravens/Pats talk, im good…
enjoy
You haven’t asked any questions about the draft, and I still don’t even know what rothlis is.
I have, however, responded about your broken record “mock draft” thing.
I know your brain can’t handle very much, so like I said, I understand
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
just like frank said the most important part of the statement from Ed Reed was when he said Flacco look like he was rattled.
I know you want to blame cam and other coaches but if you trying to prove a point you going to have to use every piece of information instead of some.
the first question of the interview was "What did you think of Joe Flacco's performance"
the answer was this.
"Joe was kind of rattled a little bit by that defense. They had a lot of guys in the box on him and they were giving it to him. I think a couple of times he needed to get rid of the ball. It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense."
Not really sure how anyone’s opinion comes in to play here. (except of course, the crazy one that he was talking about a specific play only)
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I Wonder How Much
Of this is Of this is Cam beating the same drum into Joe’s skull. Telling Joe that in this situation you must go here, and in that situation you must go there
This is a guy thats not only a 27 year old man but has been in the nfl for four years. Joe Flacco is not a baby and the ravens head coach and even ozzie has made it a point before the season started that this would be Joe Flacco offense not Cams.
I just think its quite obvious Joe Flacco is still not ready to take charge of the ravens offense. I dont understand how this guy has so much mouth in towards media but cant stand up for him self and take charge of his own offense consistently.
You know, it was just kind of like they was telling him to do, throw the ball or get it here, you know, get it to certain guys. And he can’t play like that."
They key word out of that whole statement by Reed is “he can’t play like that”. I honestly believe Reed is trying to say Joe Flaccos needs to man up and take charge consistently instead of being a kid taking orders. I remember when the ravens face the colts and the ravens defense held the colts offense to 4th down ; Their head coach signal the colts offense to come back to the sideline becuase they wanted to go for the field goal but manning look at his head coach and told him i got this then went on and score a touchdown.
I’m not saying Flacco needs to be like Manning but he got to let his headcoach and offensive coodinator know he can handle his offense on his own sometimes. I doubt it will happen because its not in Flacco to do so.
The ravens offense will never succeed to its true potentials until Flacco wakes up and start taking control.
Calm down, jazz… Don’t believe everything your uncle told you
Joe works for the Ravens… He has to listen to his managers not tell them what to do
by Evan Skev on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Calm down, jazz… Don’t believe everything your uncle told you
Joe works for the Ravens… He has to listen to his managers not tell them what to do
First of all you dont know what you talking about. If you look at good offenses today they all have a good quarterback that has control of their offense. Brees, Vick, Brady, Big ben, and etc all take control of their offense.
I never said Flacco had to tell his coaches what to do but said he needs to tell his coaches what he can do instead of sitting agreeing with every single thing, I said it before and I said it again John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome both said before the seasons started that this should be Joe Flacco offense not Cam .
If I am not mistakening both Harbaugh and Ozzie are in higher position than Cam definately Harbaugh since he is the head coach. Harbaugh said Flacco " if there is a play you dont like you have every right to change it " . People want to blame Cam for calling certian plays that dont make sense but Flacco agrees with it so I find him just as accountable as Cam is .
Flacco has every right to change a play when he wants and if he goes along with a play call by cam which doesnt work, obviously Flacco thought the play call was fine at the time. Its impossible for a offense coodinator to call the right play in every game which is why quarterbacks are allowed to audible because they are able to see more clearly what coverages opposing defenses are in.
I Think There
Is a happy medium between Joebot 5.0 and Joe existentially telling the sideline coaches they are “#1”. The problem is many of us do not believe Cam is the right man to help Joe find that “Happy Medium”…
In many ways, I think Zorn had Joe well on his way to finding that happy medium, and then Zorn was ripped away from Joe and Joe made his feelings known about that situation.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I want to understand Jazz’s point but I just don’t get it. Ravens coaching situation is dysfunctional and they don’t do a great job of covering it up. Harbaugh is the Boss and he has his homie as his right hand man. I don’t like it… there needs to be checks & balances in any organization… not buddies and not nepotism. There needs to be synergy between management & labor. I don’t see it in this instance and it pains me.
Then again, Marsha screamed at her OC and then cried a couple weeks ago…
I Think There
Is a happy medium between Joebot 5.0 and Joe existentially telling the sideline coaches they are "#1". The problem is many of us do not believe Cam is the right man to help Joe find that "Happy Medium"…
yes I am sure players play at there best when they feel good/happy to be around there coach but there are some players that play just as good around a coach they dont like at times. I’m not sure if Joe Flacco and Cam relationship is always bad but I still dont see it as a excuse for why Joe Flacco hasn’t taking full control of the offense.
Does having a offensive coodinator that can develop a better understanding/better relationship with Joe Flacco will help I’m sure it can but I highly doubt a quarterback is hinder from being the captain of his offense because he doesn’t like his offensive coodinator.
I Don't Think
It is so much a matter of like or dislike -although working with someone you like vs. don’t like is much easier, but rather how you train and mentor someone. Cam got Joe fresh out of college -an NFL rookie. For all intense purposes, Joe was a pile of play-doh that could have been molded into anything. Did Cam help Joe to be molded into a Picasso? At best, the jury is still out on that. Has Cam trained and mentored Joe the best way possible? I believe a lot of us hypothesize that given a different OC, Joe would be further along his development S-curve. And that at its base is the chief knock on Cam.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I'm as critical of Cam as they next guy
I Wonder How Much Of this is Cam beating the same drum into Joe’s skull. Telling Joe that in this situation you must go here, and in that situation you must go there… Sometimes the defense doesn’t always do what you want them to do… After a while, if someone keeps telling you the same thing over and over and over and over, you eventually just do it from rote. I really think our offensive staff really tries to over think things and it is effecting Joe.
But this is just wild speculation, and it reeks of a Flacco apologist. As much as Reed should have kept his mouth shut, he has a much better idea of what’s going on in there than regular-Beatdown-joe does. We’re just dudes watching a game from afar.
I’m pretty sure BAL_Hawk would agree with me on this one.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
As much as Reed should have kept his mouth shut, he has a much better idea of what’s going on in there than regular-Beatdown-joe does. We’re just dudes watching a game from afar.
I agree on both points. Reed probably shouldn’t have said what he said, but in his defense, I think the media did spin the interview quite a bit. Reed was talking more about how Flacco looked against the Texans specifically, and I don’t think he was inferring anything about Flacco or Cameron’s proficiency at their jobs in general.
As far as the never-ending Flacco and Cameron argument is concerned, I think many of the criticisms of Cameron probably have more to do with Flacco than Cameron. For example, people were complaining that Cam was calling to many deep shots in the Texans game and wasting downs, but that’s not how football play-calling works.
Obviously, the vertical route on those plays wasn’t the only route being run by the receivers. Therefore, Flacco ultimately had to make the decision to throw the ball deep. If he made the wrong read and missed on the throw, that’s on Flacco for not going through his progressions more—especially if the deep throw was well covered. Cameron has a receiver running deep on many of the pass plays he calls, but it’s up to Flacco to go through id progressions and determine which receiver is open.
At the same time, we don’t know what’s being said between Cameron and Flacco, and that’s where the “we’re just dudes watching a game from afar” argument comes in. Reed said that Cameron was “telling him to do, throw the ball or get it here, you know, get it to certain guys.” I would say that the defensive players probably shouldn’t be opening their mouths because the aren’t much better than us at diagnosing the offense, but they can see the personal interactions on the sidelines—and that can be very telling.
If Cameron is really telling Flacco to force the deep throws—or any throw—that is not good news. Let’s face it, Cameron probably has a very good gauge on what Flacco’s capabilities after four years, so if he is dictating throws to Joe, that either means that Cameron’s play-calling is garbage and he’s trying to micromanage or he doesn’t trust Flacco to make the right reads and is trying to micromanage.
I know that most people would jump to the conclusion that Cameron’s play-calling is broken, but I’m not so sure. One of my biggest complaints of Flacco—from the very beginning—is that he has very poor awareness. He doesn’t have great pocket awareness and seems to miss open receivers too often. There are many times where I can remember re-watching games and seeing open guys that Flacco simply missed—or worse—where he saw them late and mistimed his throw. That’s okay every now and then, but that will cause an offense to be dysfunctional in the long run. That’s what I think we’re dealing with more than anything.
There are many times where I can remember re-watching games and seeing open guys that Flacco simply missed—or worse—where he saw them late and mistimed his throw. That’s okay every now and then, but that will cause an offense to be dysfunctional in the long run. That’s what I think we’re dealing with more than anything.
I agree but I dont think ravens fans see that because they are so focus on blaming cam cameron.
I don’t think that’s good or bad. I think Reed is saying that whatever plan they gave Joe, wasn’t working or wasn’t playing to his strengths, which is what most people have been saying all year. We have a system that doesnt fit our personnel.
Why isn’t anyone on the team coming out and asking what the fuck the offensive line was doing? We can’t keep calling these deep bombs and long developing routes if Joe has 2, maybe 3 seconds of clean pocket to work with before he gets pummeled.
Regardless of whether or not Joe audibled a few times and read the defense wrong, it doesn’t excuse poor o line play. We didn’t get and push in run blocking or any great protection and time for Joe to find receivers that weren’t getting open regardless.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
At least mix in more slants…more quick throws… Jeebus
by Evan Skev on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well they tried that on that last FG possession
both of those calls were slants that he overthrew
The thing I don’t get about Cam and Joe is that you NEVER see them talking on the sidelines between drives.
NEVER
What gives with that – you also hardly ever see Joe looking at pics.
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cam needs to be retrained in managing human resources and Joe is just tired of working for cam… the zorn incident was all anyone needed to know
I agree
but does this Reed comment really not change the way you look at Joe’s performance Sunday? I mean I’ve been as critical of Cam as anybody, but there’s definitely something to Jazz’s argument that Joe needs to take control.
There’s hot routes and audibles if you don’t like what you’re seeing. Has Cam mis-coached Joe? I definitely think he has, but that doesn’t change the fact that Joe is responsible for controlling the offense once the huddle breaks and making plays happen.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I don’t think Flacco can follow orders and still do what you and Jazz think he should do… not saying you’re wrong… maybe I’m wrong… but if you’re a 4th year QB and 27 years old and the two old men who are your bosses are telling you that this is how you do things… what do you do? and in my defense, i’ve said that i wished he would do a mcmahon as far back as last november… but that’s pretty radical
maybe you two are right and he will eschew a new contract unless cameron is gone… and if harbaugh objects, maybe Flacco decides to test FA
the two old men who are your bosses are telling you that this is how you do things
John Harbaugh has told Joe Flacco if he doesnt like a play call he has every right to change it. Everybody thinks Cam is controling Joe Flacco but if the head coach has made it known that you have the freedom to audible/take control of your offense then whats the problem?
If Harbaugh & Cam really are controling Joe Flacco then maybe it’s for a reason but i honestly feel like Flacco has been giving the keys to the offense but doesn’t do anything with it consistently
well I’m not saying anything about the new contract, and believe me, if he tests FA our relationship with him will be severely damaged if not beyond repair.
I like Flacco and I feel good about Sunday’s game. I hope Reed’s comments motivate him.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
if cameron stays, it wont make a difference… i feel good about Sunday also!
Jazz, I don’t know what you mean about Harbaugh telling Joe anything… all we know is that Harbaugh told the media that he told Joe something… and Harbaugh lies to the media every time he opens his mouth
Jazz, I don’t know what you mean about Harbaugh telling Joe anything… all we know is that Harbaugh told the media that he told Joe something… and Harbaugh lies to the media every time he opens his mouth
SInce you want to take it there there is what was said by john harbaugh and ozzie him self.
Handing the keys over is more of a process than a single event, but a major milestone in that process took place after the Tennessee Titans game. Flacco turned in one his poorest performances, completing 15-of-32 pass for 197 yards one touchdown and two interceptions.
Flacco personally met with Head Coach John Harbaugh early the next week, and something seemed to click for the fourth-year quarterback during the conversation.
Newsome described the exchange:
"[Flacco] and John sat down and John said, ‘You know, you could see the light start to come on,’ when John was telling him, ‘Look, if you don’t like a play that comes in, change it. Change it to something that you like.’
"And the light came on with Joe. So that is where we are helping Joe get to, and I think it’s coming between the head coach and Cam [Cameron, offensive coordinator] working with Joe and saying, ‘This [offense] has to be his.’"
Ozzie Newsome stressed the importance that the offense has to be Joe Flacco. I highly doubt the head coach john harbaugh would want to hinder his quarterback from taking charge of offense especially if it can help win games or make the offense better.
IRavens fans constantly point the fingers at the coaches why cant it be Joe Flacco fault sometimes? Flacco not a baby and i think fans treat him like a baby too much.
THAT I would blame on coaches. Give him those damn photos and tell him what you’re seeing and what he’s doing right and wrong. It’s called “coaching.”
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Why isn’t anyone on the team coming out and asking what the fuck the offensive line was doing?
In that same instance, Reed called out the line. He also acknowledge that he can’t see what Joe sees from the sideline. But it does speak to a sentiment that he can’t be alone in having; that they’d like to see more from Joe.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
More from Reed
It’s a lot of things that we all need to correct going into New England because they do such a great job of making adjustments, you know, in-game adjustments. It’s not just coming up with a scheme and playing the game. You gotta be able to make adjustments while the game is in the flow.
I think this really speaks overall to Cameron’s shortcomings. Does it need to be Joe Flacco’s offense? Yes. But these big-picture adjustments that Reed is talking about really fall on Cameron.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
This Telling
I think this is about as public as Reed is going to get in terms of Reed calling Cam (and I’ll admit Joe also) out.
In Reed’s eyes, this may be his last shot for many reasons we have all discussed, and he’ll be damned if he is going to let it slip away…
Sometimes a little agitation can be a good thing and shake things up that need to be shaken up…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
all I got to say is,
say it to his face. If Joe is friggin pissed at Reed, I hope he takes it up with him personally.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Hey Reed
shut up.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
reeds last chance but he should have ripped cam in private. with sooo many “leaders” on our team they sure don’t have much influence on the coaches. harbs and cam pretty much have managed the same for 4 years. the worst part about it is that Flaccos first game as a Raven is no different than his last game. Same guy, same controlled game plan. We bring in receivers like Stallworth an Evans spread the D and pass to them maybe ounce a game. We find out that Pitta has great hands but use him sparingly. We play poor teams like the Jags and don’t establish the run- the easiest aspect to get rolling against a bad team.
to me, we seem to have the same game plan whether its the browns or texans. same plays at the same times. clock management has barely improved. cam is only outsmarting himself as his backward play calling is obvious. flaccos 2 horrible incomplete passes after 2nd and 5 that left the texans with 2 TO’s and 3 minutes was the 8th nail in the coffin that i needed to see to call for cam to be fired.
flacco can look at sideline photos if he wanted to. flacco can yell at his coaches if he wanted to. flacco can scream at his team to line up quickly if he wanted to. flacco could audible and realign sets if he wanted to. i just think flacco deep down just wants to be lead. he basically has 5 seasons worth of games under his belt. thats 1/2 a career for most starting qb’s. folks, i don’t think this guy can get better. this is it. good luck with that Ed.
reeds last chance but he should have ripped cam in private.
this +9
flacco can look at sideline photos if he wanted to. flacco can yell at his coaches if he wanted to. flacco can scream at his team to line up quickly if he wanted to. flacco could audible and realign sets if he wanted to. i just think flacco deep down just wants to be lead. he basically has 5 seasons worth of games under his belt. thats 1/2 a career for most starting qb’s. folks, i don’t think this guy can get better. this is it. good luck with that Ed.
Sigh. I sure as hell hope you’re wrong, but you may be right. But the fact of the matter is this guy is our QB for the foreseeable future.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Whoa! Did you just flip flop again, ram? This is almost as good as your St Louis beats the Ravens post… and you were doing so well the past week of hedging your bets so you don’t have to eat all of that childish spew from the reg season…
should we expect more Flacco nicknames and endless whining?
Lots of guys don’t hit their prime until year 8,9, or 10.
Eli just hit his. year 8
Brady’s (stats) prime year 7.
Gannon year 11.
Brees year 6.
Look at Brees year 1 to 3. You can see why SD drafted Rivers.
We are going to probably have to wait a few more years for Flacco’s prime. I’ll take playoffs with a possible SB run every year until we get there. I was on the fence before, but it’d be a huge mistake to go away from Flacco.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
Here is an idea
we hire Hue Jackson back as OC
He worked well with Joe. He runs air Coryell so we have continuity.
Problem solved.
I’ve heard that Jackson didn’t ingratiate himself with the coaching staff here. I don’t know how much truth there is to this, but I’d be surprised to see him return.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
My sentiments as well.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Ditto
Ditto.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
For the love of God
NO MORE AIR CORYELL
by YeahDonnie on Jan 23, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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