Don't Be Misled By Flacco vs. Yates Comparisons
If you only look at the statistics of both Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco and Houston Texans QB T.J. Yates over their past five games, you will see two very similar sets of numbers. Yates only played in the last six games of the regular season, and started the final five. Meanwhile, his counterpart in Sunday's Divisional Round Playoff Game, played in all sixteen games of the 2011 season and has not missed a single start in his entire four-year NFL career, a span covering 64 regular season games plus seven road playoff contests.
Their stats are strangely similar, yet they are nothing alike and the numbers should not mislead fans to think there is any comparison between the two. However, in order to humor those blindly loyal Texans fans who think that T.J. Yates is as good or better than starter Matt Schaub, much less the Ravens' QB, let's look at the basic stats that can fool most uninformed fans.
Over their past five games of the regular season, Yates is 82 for 134 (61.2%) while Flacco is 82 for 131(62.5%). Yates has thrown for 949 yards, with 3-TD's, 3-INT's and a QB Rating of 80.7. Flacco has thrown for 873 yards, with 7-TD's, 4-INT's and a QBR of 80.9.
These stats, if looked at in a vacuum alone by themselves, might lead the casual fan to think these two QB's are virtually mirror images of each other. However, this could not be further from the truth.
Even Houston Texans fans continue to debate the merits of their own two QB's, Matt Schaub and T.J. Yates. Many seem to forget that Yates was actually the Texans third-string QB, and only got his chance after Schaub's backup, Matt Leinart, injured his shoulder in his very first game replacing Schaub, leading to the "T.J. Yates era." Had Leinart stayed healthy and was successful, no one, including Texans fans, would have heard a peep from T.J. Yates.
Yates is reputed to have a stronger arm than Schaub, but that does not necessarily translate into a "better" arm, as what good is a cannon arm without the accuracy? Matt Schaub has a full resume on how good he is, as does Flacco, while five games is nearly not enough to get a grip on any player's value or true abilities, especially an NFL quarterback.
While this comparison just looked at Joe Flacco's past five games, looking at his full season gives us a better view for comparison purposes regardless of the obvious difference in opportunities and a full set of stats. Flacco had nine game with over 200 yards of passing this season, and four 300+ yard games. In Yates' five starts, he had only two 200- yards games, one of them the 300 yard one he had in the win at the Cincinnati Bengals in the regular season.
As mentioned in the previous story comparing Yates and Schaub, I mentioned that TJ had only one regular season completion of over 20 yards and was one of ten throwing at that distance or longer. The absence of WR Andre Johnson probably had an effect on that but his recent return has not given us enough to believe that despite a long TD pass to AJ in the Texans playoff win over the Bengals, that that will significantly change.
On the other hand, here is a huge disparity in the comparison between Yates and Flacco. Joe had 44 completions of over 20 yards in the regular season, more than any other season in his four-year NFL career. The addition of rookie WR Torrey Smith, who is averaging over 20 yards a reception, is a huge reason for this dramatic increase. Of those 44 completions, seven of them were over 40 yards, proving the Ravens are far from a run-only offense and that, as opposed to past years, are definitely not afraid of going deep on a regular basis with decent succes.
At the comfortable confines of Baltimore's M&T Bank Stadium, Flacco is more efficient than on the road, with23 completions over 20 yards. The fact that the team is 8-0 at home this year and one of the toughest places in theNFL to win over the past decade is no casual stat to overlook. With seven playoff games under his belt, all on the road, a home playoff game will have "Joe Cool" proving his nickname is well earned.
Yates has never played as critical a game in this environment and while a solid game at home against a lesser opponent than he will be facing on Sunday, much less one he already has beaten, is virtually irrelevant, seems t be lost among most Texans fans. From a Ravens perspective, we do, however, understand and appreciate how well a rookie QB can do on the road in the post season, as Flacco and the Ravens did just that in his rookie year. However, he had a full 16-game season under his belt at that point, a huge difference than just five regular season games.
Statistics tell only a part of the story. Much of it are intangibles that are obvious to the well-informed fan. The rest will be written after the game on Sunday.
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Great story. Now can’t wait for texans fans to come on here and try and give reasons this is false.
by lsg2131 on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Been an annoying week coming on a ravens site and have to read nearly half the posts about how good texans fans think their team is. Fyi. We do not care.
by lsg2131 on Jan 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We're Texans fans
What do you want us to say? Damn I wonder how much we’ll get killed by this time? All I know is this team has overcome lots of obstacles and proven lots of haters wrong. We’ve never asked Yates to go out and win us games by himself. It’s the D and run game that we’ve relied on all year. I think Baltimore can and surely should win this game at home, however I’ve seen the Texans enough this year to know that the defense can keep us in any game and anything can happen in a close game
by LouisianaTexan on Jan 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
This is probably
the most fair and honest approach to the game that I’ve seen from any Texans fan. Good perspective.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think it all depends on which Flacco shows up
Bad Flacco lost to Jacksonville and Tennessee. Good Flacco whipped the Steelers twice. Flacco is generally pretty good at home so that’s a little scary for Texans fans, but we also know Bad Flacco exists which is why a large percentage of us think the Texans can win despite the injuries and lack of playoff experience
by LouisianaTexan on Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Bad Flacco generally doesn't show up at home.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
What no one sees is that it doesn't matter which Flacco shows up
And its also not a two sided thing, as in Ray Rice IS the offense. But in those losses that you mentioned, Ray Rice touched the ball a total of 8 times. We started out the season trying ti be a passing team and found that we need to be a balanced team and win AS a team by letting Ray touch the ball at least 20 times. In the last 21 games that Ray Rice has touched the ball 20 times or more, we are 20-1. Looks like our formula for sucess is obvious.
Formerly 88Keys
Good or bad Flaco
has beaten EVERY winning team this season and six Playoff teams. I’ll take either, as long as he wins the game. You can have the stats, we’ll stick with our wins.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
100% in
agreement with you…
"Everywhere you go, there’s the buzz going around the city. Houston has been wanting a winning team here for a long time. We’re glad that we can finally provide that little spark, but we’ve got to go finish." -Arian Foster
"This is a big dogs game - there ain't no puppies out here - aint no puppies out here!!" - Brian Cushing
by JayStation3 on Jan 13, 2012 5:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Many seem to forget that Yates was actually the Texans third-string QB, and only got his chance after Schaub’s backup, Matt Leinart, injured his shoulder in his very first game replacing Schaub,
really? I didn't know that, must have slipped my mind.
How Absurd
“Many seem to forget”… No one forgets and it’s the only thing Raven fans are holding their hat on. It’s the foundation of most of their pro-win articles. After watching that last game I’m quite certain this game is very winnable~
Hakeem OlajuGOD
+1
I think it’s foolish to feel super confident in any team when they’re playing that Texans defense.
I’m picking Baltimore, but Houston’s defense is filthy. I think the game will come down to Baltimore’s offense vs. Houston’s D, I’m looking forward to seeing that.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that its super foolish...
Because on any given sunday, anything could happen. Yes, there is a chance that the Texans CAN beat the Ravens. Of course that is true. I don’t see it happening this time and of course I hope it doesn’t, but there is always a chance.
Formerly 88Keys
Texans defense solid
but we moved the ball on the steelers defense twice, scoring 35 and 23 points, both of which will be enough to win Sunday.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's very important to note:
That this year Flacco has posted his worst season by some statistical measures throwing to an almost entirely new group of receivers who are all inexperienced, save Boldin.
Last season with his reliable but unspectacular weapons that he had a lot of familiarity and chemistry with, he posted a QB rating in the 90s. I see no reason not to expect him to return to that level of production once he and his receivers have a full offseason together to develop.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
It's also a factor
of throwing deep a lot more often. Less completions but much more dangerous.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, according to FBO
Throwing deep and pressure are both not correlated with sub-par Flacco performances. he’s just kindof an enigma in that regard.
He’s posted very positive DVOA’s in games where he was both hit often and where he threw deep often.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Also, people never look at the beginning of the season vs the end. Yes, Flacco struggled at the beginning of the season with all the new targets and a shortened off-season… but in the last 7 games he has 4 games with passer ratings over 100, and has thrown for 10 TDs and only 5 picks.
I’ll take that any day. Bring on the Texans.
P.S.- sweet team name… glad we’re not the Baltimore Marylanders.
If your state's history was as great as ours,
You’d have named the Baltimore team after it.
TROOOOOLLLOLOLOLOL :)
I've got nothin'...
We won the war of 1812, wrote the damn National Anthem, we’re one of the 13 original colonies, and have a bad ass flag. we’re good with our history.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
by jackmca on Jan 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you also have the best military academy on the planet
I loved my time there!
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
Thank You
Appreciate what you have done.
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"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
you've literally resorted to 3rd grade name calling....
by _empty on Jan 13, 2012 8:16 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You May or May Not
Remember but when the NFL had the expansion derby in which Jacksonville and Carolina ultimately won, two of the franchise names floated for Baltimore were"The Bombers" and “The Americans”. Neither of which I was real crazy about.
The bombers because of Martin Marietta (Glenn L. Martin Corp.) made a bunch of B-26 bombers in Baltimore for WWII. The Americans because of some diesel locomotive that was manufactured in Baltimore during the 1800’s.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Rookie QB stats at Baltimore since 2000
I saw somewhere this week that a rookie QB has not beaten the Ravens at M&T ever…is this true?
Look at the comment below.
Ravens played in Memorial Stadium in ’97. So, no rookie QB has ever won at M&T.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for that
Sorry Mr. Yates – if you want to see what your stats will look like when the game is over check on Matt Cassel’s stats from the Wild Card game last year.
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 13, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
If we shut down Foster like we (eventually) shut down Charles,
we should be in good shape. That is, we just need Mt. Cody to belly flop on him.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 13, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
but should Foster happen to get around Cody, all is not lost. He can just swing those giant titties at him. That has to be at least 5 yards worth of titties when swung properly.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Hows the offseason going, Frank
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know. I think I need to make two other profiles on here and ask them. I’ll get back to you.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
by FrankWyt on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Let me know .. and send me your pitt mock draft
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
where do I send it to bshagagi? Got an email address? You want me to send it through the postal service?. I know that’s a lot for you to wrap your brain around, but do get back to me.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
well that wouldn’t be sending it to you now would it? “buddy”
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Whatever floats your boat, anonymous internet troll
Enjoy the offseason
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Buoyancy and proper displacement floats my boat. What floats yours, anonymous internet troll of your own team’s board?
I’m going to have refer to my previous comment about the off season. Oddly enough, I don’t play for the Steelers, so, no off season for me.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
You don’t root for them either… You’re a packers fan now
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Saints actually, they have the best chance of advancing this weekend I think. If both make it out of this weekend, I won’t know what to do.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Right on..enjoy the saints game
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I try not to think about it.
Actually, I generally don’t think about Cody much at all. He’s been surprisingly (to me) quiet this season.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
How often did Gregg get his name called on the loudspeaker?
We don’t use our nose in a flashy way. He’s been doing his job of clogging space and stopping/slowing the run game.
A lot actually.
Gregg constantly got a bunch of tackles. 2nd all time on the team. That said, it was ridiculous for a NT to be that proficient at getting to the ball carrier.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 13, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Gregg used to get 100 tackles a season. That’s pretty incredible for a NT.
Man that guy was underrated.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Simply insane.
So very, very good.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Sacked Vick on his own once.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
yeah man
I’m not sure I can think of a player who was that good—and I mean simply dominant—and never got any recognition for it. Nobody knew who that guy was outside of Baltimore.
How a guy is 6-foot (maybe shorter), only 300 lbs, can two-gap, rush the passer, and make tackles in pursuit, without being an all-pro, escapes me.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Probably kept him cheap for us,
so I’m not exactly complaining. Sucks for him, but it was likely pretty good for us.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
If we shut down Foster like we (eventually) shut down Charles
True statement…but Jamal Charles ain’t no Arian Foster…I think that’s gonna be great to watch.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
You're right.
I think we have a better chance to shut down Foster. As has been discussed, slashers don’t do that much against us. We do a very good job of maintaining our gaps and taking away the cutback. Bruising backs (Peterson, Lynch, Jacobs) have run well against us, and the superspeed backs (Johnson, Charles) have had some success as well.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Last rookie qb to beat baltimore
Was jake plummer…in 1997
by Toxicjin on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Do you mean in Baltimore?
Cuz Roethlisberger beat you in 04 in Pittsburgh. Not suggesting that stat isn’t impressive with that being said, just pointing it out.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yes a rookie QB has never won in Baltimore.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
QBs get a rude wlcome…Yates will be in the fetal position in A2
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Using Advanced Stats from PFR
All of these are on a scale where 100 is average, and they cover the entire season for both players (i.e. it’s not just a look over the last five games).
Yards/Att+
Flacco: 92
Yates: 100
NetYards/Att+
Flacco: 95
Yates: 93
Adjusted Yards/Att+
Flacco: 97
Yates: 98
Adjusted Net Yards/Att+
Flacco: 99
Yates: 94
Comp%+
Flacco: 90
Yates 103
TD%+
Flacco: 93
Yates: 77
Int%+
Flacco: 111
Yates: 110
Rating+
Flacco: 96
Yates: 96
*
So, aside from TD%, I’d say they are pretty similar. I mean, this seems more accurate than focusing on number of passes over 20 yards, especially considering Flacco and Yates have nearly identical Y/A and Y/Comp this year.
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You texans fans have given us lots of laughs all week but this is the cherry on top… So… according to your stat simulator, Yates is equal to Flacco? Comedy gold!
Haha!!!!
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your fanbase isn’t doing a whole lot of thinking… Too busy drinking kool aid.
KC Syndrome
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There’s seriously no reason to give that guy any attention. Very limited vocabulary, types like a broken record sounds, etc etc. Don’t waste your time.
The guy got banned from this site, then made another name to come on here. Then when unbanned, carried out conversations between both names.
As you’ll see under this comment, his new thing is “KC syndrome”. If you were a Steeler fan you’d be “bandwagon yinzer” or “pitt troll”
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
check that. “as you’ll see above this comment”
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
You're missing my point
I’m saying that the numbers are similar, but they alone do not tell the tale, which s that Flacco is a much better QB with significantly more experience and more dangerous than Yates, even with AJ.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yates isn’t in the same conversation. We dont mention Flacco with Montana.. don’t mention Yates with Flacco
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is not the disparity between Flacco and Montana as there is Yates and Flacco...
On a 1-100 scale… Montana all-time would be somewhere around 92-93. Flacco to me would be around 80ish. Yates would be about 75ish. 12 point difference to 5 point difference.
TJ Yates is better than you give him credit for because you haven’t watched the games. It’s ok. No worries. I haven’t seen all the Ravens games, either.
I've got nothin'...
Congrats on figuring that out.
I've got nothin'...
Thank you. Enjoy the game Sunday
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Similar looks something like this ~
I've got nothin'...
Check out what dierdorf had to say on the ravens site
by lsg2131 on Jan 13, 2012 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This?
"The Texans are good enough to beat the Ravens, but I think they’re in for a rude awakening at M&T Bank Stadium on Sunday," Dierdorf said to me yesterday. "It’s one thing to beat Cincinnati at home and quite another to go to Baltimore and play a rested, well-balanced Ravens team. Look, Joe Flacco has played in more playoff games (7) – all on the road – than T.J.Yates (6) has started in his career. … advantage Baltimore.
I thought the whole article was great
by lsg2131 on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To me that quote above sums up the matchup.
We’ve stepped up to a whole new level this weekend and the QB match up favors you, unless Flacco implodes.
If we can keep it close via the run game, turnovers, special teams and/or big plays, we can come out with a victory.
Agree
Playing this game in Texas would be a different story. But it’s not, so it isn’t.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
On the deep ball...
I don’t know much about Flacco, but from what I’ve seen his deep ball (the “40+ yards over the defense, let the WR run under it” type of throw) he’s one of the best in the league.
Matt Schaub is below average at that throw and TJ approaches average in my estimation.
Flacco looked great week 6, but here's the thing...
if you have to write an article defending him against our third-string rookie, your SB expectations take a serious blow.
More comedy … Yates! Ye is amazing!
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The whole Flacco/Yates thing was started by a couple of people from BRB or whatever saying that Yates>Flacco, needless to say that ruffled a few feathers here, but oh well.
To answer the question of Joe’s deep ball, he def. has one of the best on the leaugue. He’s struggled a bit this year with accuracy on long bombs, mostly over thrown a bit, but he’s still working with rookie Torrey Smith who’s his real first “deep threat” in four years. They just need to work out the timing and Joe has to know Torrey’s speed and how to adjust a bit better.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.
by WestminsterRaven on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
It does show your fanbase's insecurity, though.
Can you imagine a Big Ben vs. TJ Yates article at BTSC?
If you read the headline and the story
I’m almost laughing at the comparison. Not acknowledging it. Duh.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
It’s more we are just sick of Flacco not given the credit he has earned. he was one of the most heavily criticized players this past off-season and a lof it was not deserved. A lot have looked at Flacco rather than the whole situation. We have a very inconsistent OC along with having Boldin and 3 rookie WR’s for most of the year, both our TE’s are only 2nd year guys and were basically rookies this year and it’s a lot to ask of any QB let a lone a young one to deal with that much transition. He’s done as good of job as you can expect IMO and yet he is constanly getting bashed. Also while he hasn’t delivered a superbowl he lost to the team representing or winning the super bowl every year.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Enjoy it… And get ready for some mock drafts
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so mock drafts is your next “clever” quip that you will beat the hell out of over your next 400 comments?
Well, I asked profile two, but profile two told me to ask profile three. Profile three told me to get myself banned first, that’s the only way I can seek their magical powers and wisdom. So, still not conclusive as to how “my” off seasons is going. Since I’m still working, it doesn’t seem like an off season to me at all.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Only you know how the pitt offseason is going… unless you hopped on a different bandwagon
as for mock drafts, that’s what 24 teams are working on… not sure why it seems so unusual to you but you are a little bit on the eccentric side
enjoy the offseason, Frank
ahaaaaa. So it is your new “clever” quip. Sweet. I didn’t realize that when your team is eliminated, the next order of business is to create a mock draft.
Not sure what’s funnier. Your attempts at humor, or you thinking something like “enjoy the offseason” is supposed to bother me in some way.
This is the problem with the Flacco hate, people don’t really know who he is as a person. - Mr. Malor. Crazy Raven fan/possible stalker.
Once the season is over, it’s draft time… Unless you’re rooting for another team…
Which wouldn’t surprise me…
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am. My current favorite team is the Green Bay Packers. I hope I don’t have to switch again.
I do have a question though. If I’m getting this correct, you are saying that if I am not wasting my time guessing/fantasizing who my team is going to select in April, and would rather enjoy the rest of the football season, then that makes me 25% of your entire vocabulary?(bandwagon yinzer)
Noted.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Take the pats…maybe you can get Tebowed twice in one postseason
by Evan Skev on Jan 14, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It’s because a part of our fanbase greatly undervalues and undermines Joe Flacco, despite all the stability and success he has brought to Baltimore. My take is most are influenced by ESPN and all the naysayers who talk so negatively about him.
This’ll be a great game. The Texans have really impressed me this year with the resiliency and backbone they showed, despite all the injuries a la Green Bay last year. But if Flacco plays well, the Texans have no shot, period.
Playoffs…all 3 phases must click
Would love to see Ravens up 3 scores in the 4th
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know who's a GREAT QB??
That Sage Rosenfels fella. Single handedly ushered in a new era of football in Houston. Come to think of it, there’s a young son of a gun named Case who’s hot on his heels for most effective QB to perform in Houston.
Okay, now that I got that out of my system, can we please all drop this silly discussion and just look forward to Sunday like fans? The comparison will never equally satisfy both sides so why not try and agree to disagree on something else?
You like Thai? Tie good. You like shirt?
I just can't wait for the games to start tomorrow
All of this board cruising is wearing me down.
Once the games get rolling, it will 1pm Sunday before we know it and then we can just watch.
by RavensfaninTX on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
This whole weekend is gonna have some bad ass football slated...
And even if I didn’t have a dog in the fight, I’d probably find the Texans/Ravens match-up the most fascinating. Best defenses in the league. Best running games in the league. Best lines in the league.
I’d probably even DVR it if I wasn’t a fan!
But I can’t wait for the Saints/49ers as well… gonna be a good one as well.
I've got nothin'...
Best football weekend of the year! Giants / Packers should be an exciting shootout.
daytime commentator. night time ninja.
+1
That’ll be the best game this weekend
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
lol
rosen-copter!? 0_o
"Everywhere you go, there’s the buzz going around the city. Houston has been wanting a winning team here for a long time. We’re glad that we can finally provide that little spark, but we’ve got to go finish." -Arian Foster
"This is a big dogs game - there ain't no puppies out here - aint no puppies out here!!" - Brian Cushing
by JayStation3 on Jan 13, 2012 5:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rosenfelds got tagged with this after making a horrendous decision to go airborne
and fumble the ball which was returned for a defensive TD.

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
Ugh
You had to show it :-(
"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.
You mean
quarterbacks aren’t supposed to do that?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
yeah that was pretty hilarious. The still of him being horizontal in the air was just priceless.
The look on his face pretty much says, “chalk this up to bad life choices.”
That should be Sage’s nickname. “Bad life choices.”
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Hmmmmm...
Not able to find those blind Texans fans that are saying TJ is as good or better than Schaub.
Care to quote some, Bruce? I’ll wait :)
I've got nothin'...
there are plenty of quotes from your kool-aid drinking KC infected fanbase… in fact, just search under bullybully for what he’s been saying all week
do us all a favor… put some water in your wine… one winning season and one playoff win at home due to a Peyton injury doesn’t make your team a great one… they need to win something before they get any respect
So because Peyton was out... we won a playoff game.
Makes perfectly good sense. As does equating bullybully with the Texans fanbase considering he perfectly emulates what all of the other fans stand for.
I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again. I’ve only seen bullybully here. He’s banned from BRB, from my understanding. He doesn’t represent the BRB fanbase and from what I’ve read of him, most of what the Texans general fanbase believe.
“My” team is great because they play great football. Your opinion is your own, but if you were wiser, you’d give more credence to the accomplishments the Texans have accomplished this year. No, they don’t have some storied history, but this year has been tremendous in terms of overcoming multiple injuries and fighting to survive.
And with that, I will no longer respond to your horrendous attempts to troll. Good day, sir….. I SAID GOOD DAY!
I've got nothin'...
This guy Evan Skev is their resident troll, verified and certified by several BBDers
It’s pointless. I got trapped a few times this week and finally pulled up before I destroyed something.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
Verified.
Enjoy the game & the kool aid
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Troll
By your logic, I guess a Roethlisberger injury doesn’t make your team a great one either, since he’s hurt and won’t play you guys in a playoff game. Makes sense, huh?
"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.
Ravens routinely beat pitt… Twice this season alone.
by Evan Skev on Jan 14, 2012 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey all, I probably won't have time to post much going into Friday evening with a busy weekend ahead, but I wanted to drop in a parting shot before the game
This week we have sure had some wild threads. Looking back, I think a few of us who are normally quite eloquent and analytical by nature ended up wrestling with similar types from your bunch but got distracted and out of form with our share of trolls from both sides. That led to uncharacteristic smack instead of agreeing to disagree where the debates were obviously deadlocked.
I really do appreciate the articles I’ve seen here this week, and some of the good material used in the debates. I also appreciate the passion that both sides rightfully have for their teams. Come Sunday it’s going to be a battle. I hope both fan bases are rewarded with some great moments to remember. I obviously hope the Texans win, but they are the understandably the under dog on the road. If they lose, I hope they at least put on a good enough display to earn more respect from critics. If they win, I hope people realize what it takes to beat this Ravens team that has set the standard high in this type of football.
With both teams being very equal on defense and running game, this game will indeed come down to which team makes the fewest mistakes and possibly the QB play. Flacco has started as many playoff games as TJ Yates has started games in his short NFL career. That doesn’t bode well, but we’ve seen worse examples in this sport and we don’t have another option at this point. TJ will either be the exception against all odds, or he’ll pile on another stat to the “rookies in playoffs” pile that is pretty thick after so many years. The Texans have to play who they have healthy, and I’m confident they’ll put it all out on the field in this game, as will the Ravens.
Cheers! We’ll see you on the other side, no matter how it ends.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
by MeMongo on Jan 13, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
You people have stink up the joint all week… Doubt we’ll see much, if any, of you but thanks for the parting shot.
by Evan Skev on Jan 13, 2012 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
couldn't walk away, could you...
by _empty on Jan 13, 2012 8:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i rec'd it
regardless of sunday’s outcome, Houston looks like they’re built to keep competing in the years to come.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I rec'd it too
Fair assessment from a team that is built like the Ravens and when healthy, as dangerous as any. It’s just that we love our chances in our own crib. Period.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 14, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
They aren’t really built like you at all. That’s not an insult, but the offensive philosophies alone are starkly different from each other. It’s kind of similar on defense, but individual players? Foster and Rice are not even close to the same kinds of backs, you’ve got no one who compares with Johnson, they’ve got no one who compares with Ngata.
Schaub would only be less comparable to Flacco if he was black.
Not saying anything about talent, I’m referring to styles.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
A healthy Schaub, Johnson and Williams, this team wins it all next year.
As soon as the lines come out for 2012, I’m laying a hondo on them.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hold off on that a bit
We have some major contracts to deal with at the end of this year. Chris Meyers, Mario Williams, Arian Foster, Joel Dreessen just to name a few all have their contracts expire after this season if I remember correctly.
I wish we had your problems
You can franchise Foster, the RB tag goes down quite a bit next year. The cap increases as well. Even if you don’t franchise Foster, the offense he’s playing in is catered to his skills, where else is he going to find that and have a chance to be league MVP next year while competing for a Super Bowl? He won’t.
As if you weren’t planning for a long time on Williams’ extension. He’s certainly signable. As is Meyers, the top centers in the game are all under rookie deals at the moment.
You’re really worried about signing your second TE? Besides, like running backs, the draft is clearly littered with tight ends who can become game-changing players. Freakin Graham was a basketball player, played one year of football and was a third-round pick.
Houston has all the makings of a team that’s about to make The Leap. I’m sure you’ll hate to hear this, but yes, I am predicting your team wins the Super Bowl next year. Sorry if I’m being a jerk…=)
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't Mangold's contract pretty big?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Because of this:
As is Meyers, the top centers in the game are all under rookie deals at the moment.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Slapping the franchise tag is usually a good way to piss someone off. And yes I worry about signing our second string TE. Dreessen is a beast in the red zone. You may not think there’s anything to worry about as far as resigning, but football is a business. I don’t take anything for granted. You never know when money could be an issue. A couple of years ago Andre Johnson made some noise about his contract. Even though he’d already signed an extension, he wanted more money and skipped a voluntary practice or two to show he meant business. And AJ had never been known to make waves like that before, so you never know what will happen.
Your fascination with Yates
Is a little weird. You know his nickname? It’s weejay
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Jan 13, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The bottom line for me
Joe Flacco faces the Steelers at least twice a year. Say what you want about them, but the Steeler D is tough. Flacco is used to pressure, and while I’m not saying he’s not affected by it, he’s at least used to it. The Texans D, while tough, is not going to have as big an impact on Flacco as it would most other QB’s.
T. J. Yates on the other hand, being a rookie, tends to hold on to the ball a little long at times. Against an aggressive D like the Ravens have, that’s seriously bad news. Yates has not faced a D like this before and sadly, the last game we played the Ravens dominated our O-line.
I hope our Texans win of course, but I’m not exactly going to be shocked or disappointed if we lose. I’ve always had a soft spot for the Ravens since a former HS team-mate of mine played for you guys during your Super Bowl season. So if we lose to you, I hope you guys go all the way.
who was that player? Believe me, most of us here have that 53-man roster committed to memory.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Yeah,
I think we remember him. He was kind of important.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol
yeah rings a bell.
I was expecting some ST guy.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Well now that I can name drop...
Also on our team was an OL named Dan Neil who went on to play for the Broncos for several years. Not sure if he got there in time for a ring or not. I want to say his rookie season was the 2nd ring Elway got, but I didn’t really follow him or anything. To be honest, I hated that guy, but he was friends with one of my best friends so I kept my mouth shut. Plus, he was a whole lot bigger than me…
Sam Adams
CPR commercial was hilarious!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 14, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
"Goose"
As in Tony Siragusa got a lot of the pub, but Sam was the glue that held that front D-line together and was a heck of a defensive lineman. Probably more than Goose he kept blockers off of Ray, which allowed him to be absolutely relentless and dominant.
This was our front four (we played a 4-3 back then) that year: Michael McCrary, Tony Siragusa, Sam Adams and Rob Burnett. How could we not have had a dominant defense with those four up front?
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may it be a good clean/injury free game. may both teams gain valuable experience to use in future playoff games. may both cities be proud of their teams accomplishments, no matter what happens. may the refs not decide the game, and the best team win.
yours truely,
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by F-BombTheJets on Jan 14, 2012 3:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
However, in order to humor those blindly loyal Texans fans who think that T.J. Yates is as good or better than starter Matt Schaub, much less the Ravens’ QB, let’s look at the basic stats that can fool most uninformed fans.
You aren’t suggesting Flacco’s a better quarterback than Schaub, are you? I get what you’re saying as far as comparing Yates to Flacco being a pretty shallow argument (experience is key, look what happened to Flacco the first time he played the Steelers in the playoffs), but there’s no way Flacco is on the same level as Schaub is.
Schaub is considered more efficient but
doubtful many Ravens fans would trade Joe for Matt at this point of their careers. Matt is real good, but at the zenith of his career, if not on the downside, while Joe has a lot of upside to go.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say Schaub is on a downside. He’s no spring chicken I won’t argue that. But his numbers this year were depressed because of the emergence of our running tandem. Foster ran for a little over 1200 and Tate almost 1000. Like the addition of the Human Coke Machine, both teams now have a serious running game to take pressure off our respective QB’s. The numbers the guy used (if I read correctly) were for the last three season, and this season, Schaub only played in 10 games. If you look at the averages, Schaub’s Y/A was actually higher this year because of the play-action being so successful, which was set up by the run game. Flacco’s stats were kinda down this year, but I admit that’s probably because you guys faced a bit of a tougher schedule on the defensive side. Even Cleveland had a strangely high pass D this year.
They’re both fine QB’s to me. I’d rather have Schaub over Flacco, but mostly because I love play-action and Schaub is a master at it.
Flacco went from a 2010 QB rating of 93 to a rating of 80 this season. The primary reason for that was all the new blood at receiver, IMO.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Flacco had Boldin, his primary reciever, for most of the season though. I’m sure now you guys might argue amongst yourselves over Boldin or Smith being better now that the regular season is over. But Andre Johnson missed almost all of this season. Even the games he “played” after Schaub was injured he barely played that much at all.
Perhaps Ravens fans wouldn’t make that trade, but there are lots of people who would.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
A pitt fan is the last fan able to accurately assess a QBs skills… You blindly believe rothlis is great when he’s in serious decline
by Evan Skev on Jan 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
First, I promise you I have far more experience in evaluating the game than you do. Second, my fan association does not play into what I know of the game. Third, you’re a total loser, and I think of you as someone who’s parents didn’t pay enough attention to when you were growing up. That makes me wish I could force them to, so none of us would have to deal with you in any capacity.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Great response… Tebow says hello & enjoy Tue offseason
by Evan Skev on Jan 14, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was great. And I will, thank you.
I spoke to Tebow already, he says you’re a loser too.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting tidbit I found in the Simmons mailbag from friday
And many Houston fans may object to this as they have other past statistics, but I still think it’s interesting and perhaps informative:
Q: I am a huge non-believer in the McNair/Kubiak train and just pulled a great stat from Kubiak’s tenure: since 2005, he’s 2-20 on the road against that season’s playoff teams. Those two wins only happened in Cincinnati (2009 and 2011).
— Foster, Houston
SG: Throw in the fact that the Ravens are 15-1 at home the past two seasons and … yeah.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
As I'm sure one of our Texan friends will points out,
trends don’t last forever.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
no they don't
but trends don’t get established without a reason. There’s a reason hitters are defined by their batting averages.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
A bit off-topic,
but this:
There’s a reason hitters are defined by their batting averages.
is becoming less and less true. But the idea behind the point is correct.
The way I look at it, I don’t see the Texans taking this game from us. We could give it to them, most likely through turnovers (poor ST play could be part of the equation). I think it’s very important to (1) introduce Ray (I think it’s the offenses turn this week) and (2) score first. Get the crowd into the game and never let them come down off that high.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’d bet a bottle of something, your choice, OC52, assuming normal starting distance (between their 20-35ish), Baltimore will go for the end zone within the first five plays.
You don’t want a close game with that team. Keep it at a touchdown distance, you’ll win, but you can’t let them have the ball with the chance to take a lead.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yates is going to get beat up in Baltimore. He’s going to throw picks. He throws high… He throws wild… and the Ravens D will hit him 15 times. This game won’t be a repeat of the Denver pitt debacle…
by Evan Skev on Jan 14, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Am I supposed to take the bet that they don't go for the end zone?
Because there’s no way I’d ever do that. My ideal scenario is something similar (an exact copy would be perfect) of the season opener. 3 plays, 69 yards, TD, don’t look back.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re agreeing with me, they will go for a 30+ yard pass (in the air) within the first three plays of the game?
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well,
first of all, I’m very risk averse. So, I don’t bet much. And I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if we opened up with a deep shot, maybe off of PA.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 14, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
My point wasn't to actually bet
Just a more creative way of saying “I think Baltimore will go deep on one of its first five plays.”
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they don’t last forever, just…16 games and 22 games…plenty of reason to think it’ll stop now.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions





















