The Good, The Bad, and... Round 1 vs. Pittsburgh
by vlad755 on Sep 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT
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PrintOh what a feeling!!! (Cue the old ‘70's Toyota commercials) From the first snap to the last sack of Ben - just a wonderful game. Lockout? What lockout? Kind of so-so preseason? Pshaw...
I tell the kids on my lacrosse team that nine times out of ten, the game is won even before the first face-off. Blank stares back at me as they are ten and eleven year olds... The point is that many times the team that is more prepared, practiced harder and knows their roles, will win. And yesterday's game was a prime example of that. The game was won before the coin flip. The Baltimore Ravens were obviously so much better prepared, so better coached leading up to the game that the matter was settled before anybody went to bed Saturday night.
It was obvious that the Pittsburgh Steelers were, at best, confused, and at worse ill-prepared to handle us when Ray Rice takes the first snap, a very basic dive play over left tackle, and almost takes it to the house. Reminded me of the playoff game against the New England Patriots, except with a healthy QB...
The Good
Could fill eight pages with this portion alone. The O-Line- fantastic! Everything we could have hoped for and more. They have the opportunity this season to be a really special unit. Joe Flacco had plenty of time to throw, solid run blocking for Rice & Ricky Wlliams -what more could be asked for? Vonta Leach, WOW, what an acquisition! Just blowing people up left and right. I think I saw at least three Steelers in fetal positions when Leach was about to light them up. Rice, picking up right where he left off from preseason. Anquan Boldin was outstanding. He was creating separation and when he couldn't separate, he would out muscle his opponent for the ball. Ed Dickson and DennisPitta- ya like NE's two-headed TE monster? I like ours better. Who knew a two-headed TE monster would be so... ...monstrous?
Gushing, just gushing about our defense. The "old" guys, the young guys -they all contributed. Terrell Suggs was DPOY -like; Haloti Ngata more so, if that is even possible. Ed Reed & Ray Lewis were flying around making big plays -in a Pittsburgh game! Pass rush constant. The only reprieve Ben Roethlisberger got was when DC Chuck Pagano called the dogs off occasionally. Note to self: three man rush *still* not working... Jarret Johnson "trucking" Hines Ward -how sweet was that play? Cary Williams had a couple of good plays early which quickly stymied the Steeler offense.
The Fourth-and-one -loved it!!! And here is the reason why: Harbs had to go for it. No hesitation. Would do it again in a heartbeat, no matter the outcome. If we had "laid up" and kicked the field goal, we would be accused of playing ultra-conservative. And if Pittsburgh had by some miracle gotten back in the game, we would have never heard the end of it. Harbs did it for two reasons 1) he had faith (rightly so, as proven out) that his defense would hold if we failed in the 4th-and-1 attempt; 2) more importantly, it sent a message: it sent a message to both Pittsburgh and the league: we are going for the jugular. None of this "turtling" when we get a lead. We are going to step on your neck until you are beyond crying "Uncle!". Same thing with the two-point conversion. Same thing with going for the TD with Boldin that was called back. Those were not running up the score, those were statements that we are going to smack you in the face, and if you get up, we are to hit you harder and keep hitting you harder until you do not get up anymore. No quarter given or expected.
The two-point conversion: not so much rubbing the Steelers face in it, but more that the Special Teams Coordinator saw something and thought he could exploit it. Gives him confidence going forward to try stuff like that in the future -in other words, he confirmed for himself that he is reading the game properly -something some of the other Ravens' coordinators have not been accused of in the past... It may also slow other team's field goal blocking down a bit, especially on a short fourth down. Gotta give credit to Musket Arm- gets it done with his legs this time.
Lastly, Flacco. Joe said it best in a post-game interview when he said "I don't play against Ben, we play against the Steelers". The media loves to create non-existent issues, when there are none! So for their sake, Joe made big throws, he made smart "small" throws. He threw it away when nothing was available and lived to fight another day. Made great decisions, showed good pocket presence - it is really coming together for him. I think you can say the game is "slowing down" for him. And let us give Cam credit- he designed some nice roll-out and fakes to help out the O-line and buy Joe a little extra time. Can we finally put the Joe vs. the VolcanoBen stuff to bed? Oh wait, he didn't do it *in Pittsburgh* or in a playoff game against Ben... (you know that is coming)
The Bad
Kind of nit-picking here. Our third-and- & fourth-and- short offense was not very effective. Seemed like Pittsburgh was waiting for Rice or Ricky whenever we tried that. And when Leach catches the ball at the two yard line and can only advance it 18 more inches, something is wrong. He has to get into the end zone on that play. Need to disguise what we are trying to do in short yardage situations better.
Not anybody's fault on this one, but the injury bug is having a field day with our CB's. Domonique Foxworth not 100% -and it showed. Chris Carr apparently re-tweaked his injury; and now Jimmy Smithmay be down a couple of weeks with a high ankle sprain. That leaves Cary Williamsand Lardarius Webb as the guys to mitigate Kenny Brittnext week. Given the way our front seven and safeties are playing, I am okay with that. But it does make us a little shallow in CB depth. Chykie Brown, you're next man up!
"Ugly" gets a reprieve this week. Too many good vibes to go ugly. I could rant about the refs (two games in a row counting preseason, worrisome pattern developing), but I am on too much of a positive high right now for that downer.
Next week, the Tennessee Titans and Chris Johnson - who has given us fits in the past. If we can take away Britt by double teaming him and contain CJ2K by putting a spy on him, I do not believe the Titans have enough other weapons to cause us concern. But if CJ2K rips off a couple of big runs, and/or Britt hauls in some deep bombs, could be an issue. The silver lining is that it appears the lockout and then holdout by CJ2K has not been kind to him. Let us hope he is still two weeks away from being his old self.
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Defensive Player Of the Year
by Georgia Raven on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We got 3 of them on this team. Not sure which one gets it though.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Ray? Ehhh, he is great but doesn’t really “wow” too many people anymore.
Ngata, Suggs and Reed absolutely dominate each snap. My DPOY would go to Ngata, but that will be tough to do since D-Lineman are usually overlooked.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Ngata
Keeps turning in performances like that, he’ll run away with the voting in a laugh-er…
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"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Ray doesn’t “wow” people? That’s because people don’t understand what they’re seeing… when I see a LB run 15 yards downfield and put a textbook tackle on a RB and cause a FF….
I say wow. WOW.
I agree with you here Evan, Ray still has that pop. But DPOY is based more on stats and he’s not going to get them like he used to. If anyone has to choose someone with 8-10 INTs or Ray… its going to be whoever has the stats.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 13, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
mstev, you hawk & raven are handicapped… you side with pitt fans over me. thats incredibly lame. grow up kid
You are mentally challenged. I’ve come to that conclusion man. My first damn statement was “I agree with you here Evan”. Now you can leave.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 15, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Our D is going to feast on our weak schedule this season and I'm going to love every minute of it.
Unfortunately, Suggs would have to get the single season record in sacks to win DPOY. He’s great but I think he’d get the D. Ware treatment.
Ngata is our best defensive player this season but as far as rewards go, he won’t get the recognition he deserves.
Ed Reed should get some gaudy numbers with a full season playing center-field behind those two.
But I won’t care about these stupid awards when Ray is holding up that Lombardi in February.
Reed is the greatest NFL thief of all time
Good article by Jason Cole on Yahoo.
If you don’t care to read it, some of my favorite quotes:
Reed has 56 picks in his career and moved into a tie for 16th with Lem Barney and Pat Fischer on the all-time list. By the end of the season, Reed has a chance to move way up. There’s currently a five-way tie for the next spot at 57 and Emmitt Thomas is 10th with 58. After that, it jumps to Dick LeBeau and Dave Brown with 62 each and Lott and Darren Sharper(notes) at 63.
In contrast, Pittsburgh’s Troy Polamalu(notes), considered the best safety not-named Ed Reed of this era, is tied for 246th with 27 interceptions.
Warner also talked about Reed’s ability to jump routes faster than most others. Fellow former quarterback Chad Pennington(notes) got a taste of that in the 2008 playoffs when Reed nabbed two of his throws in a victory over Miami. The second was a lightning-fast move by Reed across the face of the defense in the red zone.
"He shut the window like this," Pennington said as he snapped his fingers. "It was like he was running the route, not the receiver. When somebody gets on top of a route that fast, you really shake your head and say, ‘How did he do that?’ "
By the way, Cole ranks the Raven #3 in his rankings. And the Steelers?
Bottom five
28. Pittsburgh Steelers (0-1): Take it easy, Steelers fans – you’re not staying here. But based on one week, your team deserves it.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
by Fandemonium on Sep 13, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He came in later as well.
After Williams left for the 2nd time, he was getting some time as the dime back I believe.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
good stuff vlad. I love getting Leach. It’s just amazing having someone who can just clear out blockers like that. He’s just your old school fullback that is border line crazy and will hit anything in their path once they are on the field. He will be worth every penny and even though I like McClain I am so glad Ozzie made this move and I bet McClain wishes he was back here.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
After getting destroyed by the Bills at home and losing Berry for the season?
I’d imagine so. Wait a minute, how many carries did Le’ron have again?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 12, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Was telling someone today, LeRon isn’t half the FB Leach is. This guy is on another level. When you start to see STEELER players folding up into little balls before they take on his blocks, you know he is a bad ass mofo.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Leach tells you he’s going to kick your ass… then he finds you and kicks your ass. That’s not fun for the people getting their asses kicked.
and he can catch balls out of the backfield…
by Evan Skev on Sep 13, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Leach will quadruple ...
his career toal catches by week 8.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
Good read as always Vlad.
Think you hit the nail on the head with this one. I particularly and strongly agree with your point on going for 2 and the late TD. This was about making a statement to the team, to the fans, and to the rest of the NFL.
We will not back off.
I admit I was yelling for the FG at 29-7 because I thought that would effectively put the game away. At 32 – 7 the Steelers can score 3 TDs with 2-pt conversations and it’s still 32-31. So that FG would have made it a 4-score lead and game over. But Harbs knew that, and in retrospect I think you are correct. He wanted the team to know that this year we don’t stop playing even when up by 22.
Gotta love the attitude.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
The 2 PT Conversion was a statement.
Not to mention that it is strategically important. It leaves teams hesitant to try and burn us on ST by overloading the line for a block. Now there is footage of Koch running the ball in and throwing it for a completion if you give him the chance. Teams will have to play more conservatively in those situations.
The analysis of that playhas been good around here
And then you’ve got Mike Preston at the baltimore sun saying it was stupid to bust that one out when it wasn’t needed. He just doesn’t get it.
You are right he does not get it
For the last years we get the big lead and stop trying to score which ends up with three and outs and giving short fields which only serves to wear out the defense. You have to continue to score and make the other team see that because the more they see you not letting up the more frantic they give up more tos. Always go for the Juggler. Whew I needed to that out of my system
Preston is an idiot
He thinks he knows ore than coaches since he played HS football. If he didn’t have something negative to say, he would be lost what to write.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
My favorite moment at the game
Early in the 4Q I took a strategic bathroom break followed by a quick smoke. I can’t tell you how much fun it was standing next to the exit and saying “Bye-bye – thanks for coming!” to the departing Steelers fans. And zero fights in the stands (that I saw).
It’s nice to have quiet guests that leave early.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
by Fandemonium on Sep 12, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Note to self: three man rush still not working…
Yeah, that’s two games in a row (not including pre-season) in which one or more players have screwed up coverage and allowed the completion.
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The other post where you broke down what the breakdown was- the players not executing. Fair enough
But the result is the same, whether it be because of a bad call on Chuck’s part or poor execution -opposing TD. Sometimes, since we are dealing with humans, no matter how well you lay it out, practice it, review it, go over it, humans can have a collective blind spot for some things. I would say our defense has a collective blind spot with three man rushes. In other words, try as they might, they just can’t get it right. So why try to fit a square peg in a round hole? We just cannot execute a three man rush, for whatever the reason. So, don’t call it. Work with your strengths, not your weaknesses.
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"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
We just cannot execute a three man rush, for whatever the reason.
I think this is a major overreaction to two poorly executed plays in recent history. Just for the most recent game, we used a three man rush three times, resulting in a gain of 10 yards for our opponents. Considering that the touchdown play itself was 11 yards, we must have had solid execution on the other two plays.
Unfortunately, three plays isn’t anything like a statistically significant sample size, so I went back and checked out all 14 of last year’s regular season games for which Filmstudy has done an analysis. Over those 14 games, we used a three man rush 71 times for 346 yards for an average opponent gain of 4.9 yards per play. If I truncate the data containing the one highest and one lowest yardage result, we can shave nearly a yard off of the previous total and end up with 4.0 yards per carry. This may not seem overly impressive, but let’s consider that a three man rush won’t be used in short yardage situations. If you can effect a particular scheme that you can expect to allow only four or five yards per play, that gives you a very solid weapon to use against the offense on most late down, higher yardage plays.
While the players have had a couple of high profile coverage lapses during three man rushes in recent memory, the evidence just doesn’t show that the Ravens have been incapable of executing that scheme. To the contrary, our defenders have performed in that setup well enough to prevent average gains of five yards or more in situations when the offense is typically expected to be passing for more than small yardage. I still maintain that the three man rush was a good call on that touchdown play, and I have no doubt that Pagano will continue to use the three man rush efficiently in the future.
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The Data
You present is all well and good, but in my book, it just doesn’t past the sniff test. I know, not really a rational reason…
Not that I am asking you to do this (but I have a sneaky suspicion you will :) ), but I would be curious just looking at big plays our defense gave up, what percentage were three-man rushes vs. a blitz or even “normal” coverage (whatever that means)? And yes, I consider an eleven yard TD strike giving up a big play. I would also like to see how many times three man rushes resulted in a big play for the Ravens defense i.e. a sack or turnover vs. other defensive alignments. I ask this last thing, because under Matison, we were more of a bend but don’t break defense; whereas now I think we are more of a Big Play defense, which means we are more dependent upon making a big play.
Three man rushes, by your analysis, may be a necessary evil, but I do not like them. Rush four or five if you want to play conservative. Bring the heat with six, seven or eight rushers.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Not that I am asking you to do this (but I have a sneaky suspicion you will :) ), but I would be curious just looking at big plays our defense gave up, what percentage were three-man rushes vs. a blitz or even "normal" coverage (whatever that means)?
I wish I could, but I don’t have the data to drive that kind of analysis. Basically, I have the stats and replays from NFL.com, Filmstudy’s defensive and offensive line reviews, and the occasional bit of information from a news story. Even these tend not to be precise all the time, as Filmstudy will combine all fronts of three rushers or less into one heading (think Ngata as the lone down lineman). If you know of a site that provides more in-depth statistics, I’ll look through it.
I would also like to see how many times three man rushes resulted in a big play for the Ravens defense i.e. a sack or turnover vs. other defensive alignments.
In general, I would imagine you’d see less in the way of sacks and turnovers resulting from a three man rush than with other schemes. I tend to associate that front with the prevent defense in that you’ll likely be willing to give up a certain amount of yardage in order to make it much harder to get yardage sufficient for the first down or touchdown. Because of that, you’ll probably see relatively small offensive gains against the three man rush rather than lots of sacks and interceptions. A quick glance through Filmstudy’s analyses from last year confirms that to some degree. Four man rushes resulted in the most sacks/turnovers, but was also the most frequently utilized front.
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In the interview they showed that Pagano blamed himself for the three man rush and he said he will never do it again.
by Raven_all_day on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
In the interview they showed that Pagano blamed himself for the three man rush …
That’s very nice of him and I’m sure his players appreciate him not throwing them under the bus, but anybody watching that play can see that it was a failure of execution.
… and he said he will never do it again.
As I understand it, the quote is actually Suggs recounting what Pagano said. I’d take the specifics with a grain of salt, and I’d be extremely surprised to never see another three man rush. Even Mattison used that front effectively, as I showed above. Pagano will get much more mileage out of that set up because of how much better he is at disguising his fronts.
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Yes, but "failure of execution" is far more likely
to happen with a three man rush. Especially against a guy like BR, who is so hard to bring down, has great vision and throws so well on the run, and furthermroe has more than one or two good WRs who know how to get open when a play breaks down. Cary went outside on that play, along with Saunders, but then couldn’t recover when Saunders broke back inside. That is what happened on the TD play. I am guessing that Cary’s initial guess was actually right, but the play was extended and Saunders adjusted. And the play was extended because 3 guys couldn’t put enough pressure on BR to bring him down and end it.
If you have a couple or three Revis’s in your backfield, or if the QB can’t run, or doesn’t have wide vision or can’t throw accurately on the run, a 3 man rush might be OK. Otherwise, forget it. Against guys like BR or Vick or Rogers—it won’t work well. It will only be accident if it does work, probably a breakdown in blocking.
Yes, but “failure of execution” is far more likely
to happen with a three man rush.
Far more likely than with what? Do you have any evidence to prove this assertion? It just doesn’t seem like an intuitive claim when a simple screen pass can cause a failure of execution in a massive blitz package.
Especially against a guy like BR, who is so hard to bring down, has great vision and throws so well on the run, and furthermroe has more than one or two good WRs who know how to get open when a play breaks down. Cary went outside on that play, along with Saunders, but then couldn’t recover when Saunders broke back inside. That is what happened on the TD play. I am guessing that Cary’s initial guess was actually right, but the play was extended and Saunders adjusted. And the play was extended because 3 guys couldn’t put enough pressure on BR to bring him down and end it.
I’ve already discussed this. In summation, the pass rush was effective, the defenders didn’t have to cover their man or zone any longer than they should logically have expected, and the secondary left a massive coverage hole in the back of the end zone. It wasn’t the three man rush that failed us, but the execution by the players.
If you have a couple or three Revis’s in your backfield, or if the QB can’t run, or doesn’t have wide vision or can’t throw accurately on the run, a 3 man rush might be OK.
If any of those conditions are true, I’d be looking to blitz all day long. Now, maybe that’s why I’m not a defensive coordinator, but each of those conditions looks to me like a great reason to send blitzers. If my secondary is inundated with shutdown corners, when am I ever going to need to drop eight into coverage? I’ll leave them on islands, send most of what’s left after the quarterback, and live Rex Ryan’s dream. If the quarterback can’t run, then I’m going to exploit that by sending people after him. Why would I only send three against him if I know he’s not liable to reset the pocket? I’d send whatever it took to get past his offensive line and take him out of his comfort zone. Finally, if I’m scheming against somebody that can’t see the field well or can’t throw on the run, I’m going to make sure that he’s looking for blitzers and on the move as much as possible. As with the last example, I’ll send as much as it takes to get around the line and get him off his game.
Against guys like BR or Vick or Rogers—it won’t work well.
Against Roethlisberger last year, we had pretty good results with a three man front. In the playoffs, we sacked him, in game two we held him to 3.6 yards per attempt and a turnover, and in the first game we held him to -2 total yards and got a sack and a turnover. Freeman was the only other mobile quarterback I can think of that we played last year, and we held him to zero yards during three man fronts.
It will only be accident if it does work, probably a breakdown in blocking.
We must have been incredibly lucky last year, then.
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I have no idea what you are talking about
roethlisberger wasn’t in Game 1 last year. In game 2, here is a paragraph from the game summary:
Roethlisberger broke his nose on Pittsburgh’s first series, was playing with a sprained right foot and was under constant pressure all night. And he still went 22 for 38 for 253 yards.
Yeah, they shut him down in the first half, but the reason Ben isn’t in the league of Peyton or Brady is he isn’t consistent. When he is on, he is very, very good.
In the playoff game, he had a 101.8 rating, with 226 yards, and 19-26. They scored 31 points in that game. Yeah, that wasn’t all on the D, the O had those TOs, and Pitt had a short field way way too much.
roethlisberger wasn’t in Game 1 last year.
I totally forgot about that. Still, Dixon is fairly mobile, as well.
Yeah, they shut him down in the first half, but the reason Ben isn’t in the league of Peyton or Brady is he isn’t consistent. When he is on, he is very, very good.
In the playoff game, he had a 101.8 rating, with 226 yards, and 19-26. They scored 31 points in that game. Yeah, that wasn’t all on the D, the O had those TOs, and Pitt had a short field way way too much.
What does any of this have to do with the effectiveness of a three man rush? Above, you said, “Against guys like BR or Vick or Rogers—it won’t work well.” I gave evidence that it does, in fact, work well against guys like that. You realize the stats I linked above were limited to plays in which we used a three man rush, right? Outside of pointing out that Roethlisberger missed a game last year, you haven’t answered any of my points.
So far, I remain unconvinced that a three man front is a poor choice against the Steelers.
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I’m trying to understand why the three man rush is reviled, and, so far, it doesn’t seem to have much of a rational basis. Also, it’s ironic that you, of all people, would say “agree to disagree.”
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It’s reviled because most of the players, coaches, and fans don’t like it very much. It’s the play that represents the bend and don’t break defense (aka the wussy defense).
Here’s a good article on Pagano with a few comments on the three man rush.
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It’s reviled because most of the players, coaches, and fans don’t like it very much.
Here’s a post defending the use of the three man rush that was rec’d several times, so not all fans agree with your statement. I don’t doubt that the Ravens defenders would rather put a quarterback on his ass rather than drop into zone coverage, but I’m going to need some evidence before I believe that coaches don’t like it.
It’s the play that represents the bend and don’t break defense (aka the wussy defense).
There’s a time and place for the three man rush. Rex Ryan’s Baltimore defense was known for its opportunism, and he was still infamous for playing prevent at the end of games.
Here’s a good article on Pagano with a few comments on the three man rush.
I read the article and didn’t see any comments from Pagano on the three man rush. A second-hand quote from Suggs is the closest to that. My sense of the situation is that Pagano, by all accounts a fiery guy, said some things in the heat of the moment. I’d be very surprised if he didn’t have more three man fronts in the future.
Kolko, the article’s author, is a great example of what I’ve been talking about. Despite the three man front being used three times on Sunday, he can only recall the instance in which the players couldn’t pull it off. Much like Flacco, the three man rush has a bum rap among Ravens fans.
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chill out buddy…
it isn’t that important
Other than repeating what’s already been said about how amazing the Ravens were on Sunday, this is the only interesting topic of discussion on the Beatdown right now. I believe that you, yourself, have told people that if they don’t like what you write, they don’t have to respond to it. I can already see that you don’t follow your own advice, though.
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just saying that there may not be an ending
That’s fine with me. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I’d rather talk about defensive fronts until Sunday than who would win in a fist fight between the Ravens and Steelers.
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To get this back on topic…. Its a chicken or the egg situation really.
The specific play we are discussing from this past game, if the pass rush gets to Ben, no TD because the coverage was great for 3 seconds. But then again, if the coverage sticks with the WR longer, then we get the sack, a dumpoff or a throw-away.
The execution is key here and that is the issue, not the play call. Either way you look at it, if the players do what they need to do, its not a TD.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 13, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The execution is key here and that is the issue, not the play call. Either way you look at it, if the players do what they need to do, its not a TD.
I agree.
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Only thing I didn’t like was not putting Ricky Williams in on the 3rd and 1. Ricky would have moved Harrison for that one yard.
by Raven_all_day on Sep 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think my one major mistake was going for it on 4th and 1. We were in field goal range and the score was 29-7. Kicking that field goal puts us at 32-7 and makes it a 4 score game with only about a quarter and a half to go.
Just kick that field goal next time.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Score was 29-7.
I thought about the same thing when we were driving for the first field goal (which did make it 32-7). That said, I’m still not sure where I fall. I thought at the time that we should go for it, and I’m still leaning that way. But the 4 score lead would be nice.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it was 29-7 when that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011091100/2011/REG1/steelers@ravens#menu=drivechart&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I have seen teams
score three time in three minutes and Ben could do that and at the time of that score I thought there was more time on the clock than that hence make that fourth score need to be a td
The Eagles did it last year on the Gants
Which was one of the freak games that got the Packers into the playoffs
We bash them every time they don’t go for it… especially Cam. I like the aggressive playcalling there and we should have picked it up to be honest. Either way, it was far enough in their territory, that it wasn’t going to kill us.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 13, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not worth a front page post but...
Joe Flacco broke the 10000 yard pass mark with his performance against the Steelers.
How about this for milestones:
Ed jumped up a spot on the career interception return yards list.
Jimmy will be out for a few weeks with his sprain
by Raven_all_day on Sep 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i laughed when i read this in Mike Silvers weekly article on yahoo NFL
Most telling of all was the way Pagano, and his players, reacted to the one gut-check moment that occurred on Sunday. Four-and-a-half minutes into the second quarter, on third-and-goal from the 11, Roethlisberger connected with Emmanuel Sanders(notes) on a scoring pass that completed a 78-yard drive, cut Baltimore’s lead to 14-7 and had everyone in the stadium wondering if the Ravens were about to blow another lead.
As Suggs is aware, "In these games we always play good and tough against them, but they always find some way to make a play, get back in it and get us in the end."
Following Roethlisberger’s touchdown, Suggs and his defensive teammates returned to the bench area to find their new coordinator pummeling himself for his passivity.
"It was the one time he questioned himself all day," Suggs said of Pagano. "He called coverage instead of pressure, and when we came to the sidelines he said, ‘You know what, guys? [Expletive] me. This one’s on me. I’m not doing that anymore. I’m gonna go after him.’
classic, one game into the season and Pagano knows not to 3 man rush anymore, music to my ears.
by Tynan 'loner' Patrick on Sep 12, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
3 man rush is good to have in the playbook. Some situations call for it.
Against Roethlisberger maybe not so much but if we are up against say Hasselbeck in that situation next week I say 3 man rush it. He’s not going to punish us, might as well play safe.
Pagano got scared
All talk and then in crunch he wets himself with the 3 man front. I have to take pause from being satisfied with the D play calling because of that cowardly and uneducated move by Pagano. It puts his credibility on the back burner. How many times do 71,000 fans have to tell Ravens D coaches that you rush good QB’s and you do not sit on your heels against Ben, Tom and Brady. Zone coverage breaks down after 4 seconds and Ben can buy a few more than that. Bad move.
You’re usually funny, Raven… But this time you have diarrhea of the mouth.
by Evan Skev on Sep 12, 2011 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agree, i over-reacted but how many times do we have to sit through the 3 man fron with these guys. pagano did well but not in that case. serious is not my strong suit.
post a photo of yourself in a thong and ray lewis jersey and it’s all good
by Evan Skev on Sep 13, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was a pretty good call. Unfortunately, it suffered from very poor execution in the secondary, much like another infamous occurrence of the three man rush.
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Not kicking the FG was interesting and I’m not sure Harbs/Cam are confident enough to be sending any messages…With momentum and a 3 TD lead and the possibility to make it a 23 point lead which would require Pitt to score 3 TDs and be successful on two 2 point conversions you might kick the FG. The hazard of what they did could have killed momentum if Pitt had scored a TD when they took over. The score would be 27-14 and we all would have been very uneasy. You take the points. If the game was tight, yeah, I go for it. These 3 points were the last of the coffin nails.
Great aggressive O… Loved the call at home with a big lead and a potent O against a div rival
by Evan Skev on Sep 12, 2011 11:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Special Teams and valuable position players-
I don’t think it’s wise to use one of your valuable starting 22 players on ST. I remember when Billick had Quadry Ismail return kicks when he was our only decent receiving threat and Quadry injured his leg. More recently, Harbs sacrificed Webb in an already shallow DB field and now he gets his hands on a promising young rookie who could provide immediate impact as a starter and gets him hurt.
I realize Harbs was a ST guy and probably thinks everyone should experience his education but at some point you need to weight the risks.
He could get injured crossing the street… Get him in there and let him play ball.
by Evan Skev on Sep 12, 2011 11:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Will BB last the season?
After taking a beating from the Ravens, it only gets worse in the ’Burgh.
The Steelers have lost offensive tackle Willie Colon to a torn triceps, according to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Colon’s agent, Joe Linta, confirmed the injury to the paper.
He’ll take a licking – can he keep on ticking?
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
Bet they wish they had McKinnie right now!
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
nah they didn’t want mckinnie.. or gurode… too old
they didn’t want flozell or hills… hills went to denver…. the hotel is playing hard to get and pitt doesn’t have cap room
just wait… if you think this is bad wait til you see what happens next season
Ozzie is king… he took a lockout and combined it with a creampuff schedule into an opportunity to reload and revamp on both sides of the ball. Don’t give the bandwagon fans an inch of breathing space…
What do you fiugure the over/under is now for games BB starts this year?
I think it should be 9.
Then I’ll take the under.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
mckinnie is serious about regaining his form. im impressed with the guy already, especially the way he is taking weight loss and conditioning serious. great fit.
Wow
That is quite the compliment coming from raven!
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
The point is that many times the team that is more prepared, practiced harder and knows their roles, will win.
I will agree with you 100% here, but I don’t even think we were more prepared than the Steelers were. I think we are just bigger, faster, younger and hungrier than they are. Something that was said to me before the game is that they are a much older group of guys that have been battling some injuries for some time now. They have relied on us not being able to put together a complete game as their saving grace for some time now and they usually win it on some ridiculous huge play when they caught back up to us.
Like I’ve said elsewhere now, I really think the Steelers are in trouble for a few reasons…
1) They are old, slow and beat up already and its just week #2
2) Everyone knows what they need to do to dominate them now
I really do think that they have trouble with Seattle next week, but they win a relatively close game. They will get better of the course of the year as long as they stay healthy, but they will not be able to beat a team with bigger O and D lines. That will expose their poor secondary and shut down their running game this year. Ben will still be Ben and he’ll make his plays, but in a lot of games, they’ll be too far back to make up the difference.
If they don’t completely dominate the Seahawks this week, I predict the Bengals or Browns to finish better in our division.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 13, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
Could happen
Their O-line is in shambles and BB may not be healthy enough to start more than 8 games if he keeps taking a beating. With Harrison hurting, their pass rush becomes much less intimidating. They are in big time trouble.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
That’s my guesstimate right now. Without Harrison being 100%, that defense immediately becomes mediocre
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Their O-line is in shambles
their oline been bad for years and they still play great i dont think the o-line problem will be much of a issue for the steelers because most of the guys they have now on the o-line were the same guys they went with in the super bowl
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Wow...All this from one win??? You guys must really be starving!!
Win something that means something, then you can talk. Geez!
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Win something that means something, then you can talk.
Yeah, we should probably wait until we beat a playoff caliber team before breaking out the champagne.
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by Ampallang on Sep 14, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think I could even pick up an ax or find a tree in the megapolis of Northern VA
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Win something that means something, then you can talk.
Ha, why is it now that you guys have no excuses on any player being out for the game, that it suddenly becomes a meaningless game. It was week 1 in the NFL, a divisional game in a conference where 10 or 11 wins probably won’t get you in the playoffs this year. Losing a game to your rivals and getting stomped that bad is pretty meaningful for both of us… You guys got outmatched in every phase of the game and there is now a clear blueprint on how to destroy you guys with ease… We get a much needed ego/confidence boost and put the league on notice that they have to gameplan for anything and everything in order to have a shot (intimidation can win you the game before you even suit up).
So come back to us when you guys win something that means something. Destroy the Seahawks by 28+ points and come back to us.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 15, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Win something that means something, then you can talk. Geez!
we shouldnt let the win makes cocky but to say that the win against the steelers didnt mean anything is totally wrong unless its a preseason game. Every regular season game mean something and I know the first week game doesnt derail your chances of making to the playoffs but it most definately mean something
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
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Defending AFC Champs,, in case you didn't know is a playoff calibre team.
But really, already talking about hoisting the Lombardi?? You must really think that we are GREAT!! And we are…all teams have a bad day once in a while. Every time that we kicked your ass, it meant something, like a playoff win or clinching the AFC North in your stadium, so like I said Win something that means something, them you can celebrate. And exactly who are these old players that we signed to contracts? Polamalu, Timmons or Woodley? You didn’t think that we were going to let our star safety and reigning DPOY of the year get away, did you? Poor misguided Baltinore, the Browns never beat us when it meant anything and you the purple browns won’t either.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Here is my problem with that whole statement. It reeked of someone trying to make themselves believe that the team is going to be OK. We beat you in a very meaningful game… opening day… regular season. That 1 game could very well decide if you guys are in the playoffs at all when you have a variety of teams that could hit 10+ wins this season. To say that this game was meaningless or that it isnt as important is foolish at best and more than likely just you trying to console yourself with how your team performed.
Troy got straight up beat by Dickson (our 2nd year TE) in a footrace for that TD. Mix that with his inability to stay healthy and his age and you have a guy that looks like he might be on the downside of his career already. Giving him a ton of money might look foolish in a year or 2 when he’s half the player he is now. Of course, I might be wrong and he might win another DPOY award this year, but he better step up his game fast. The same goes with the other ProBowl players you mentioned.
Simply put, you guys got exposed. You are still a great team because of the coaching and the players you have, but I think based on that 1 game, you guys are going to be outmatched in the AFC and struggle to beat a younger faster stronger team. While its early on in the season, I’ll say it again here…. if you guys don’t destroy Seattle this week, you guys are going to have a long season.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 15, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
My team is almost always ok but if not, I'm ok with that...
you can’t win ’em all. Since you have been to the Superbowl, we have been to 5 AFC Championship games, and 3 Superbowls and won two of them. I see why you are so glad to beat us because we are so great, but like I said…when you beat us in the AFC Championship Game or a division game, then you can crack open the champagne.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
My team is almost always ok but if not, I’m ok with that…
Now there’s a ringing endorsement. “My team’s awesome! Well, except when they aren’t, but my expectations aren’t really all that high to begin with!”
Since you have been to the Superbowl, we have been to 5 AFC Championship games, and 3 Superbowls and won two of them.
You’d think a team with so much alleged staying power and continuity from year to year wouldn’t so completely shit a brick in an important season opener against a division rival integrating a large number of new pieces. The more you draw this out, the more I realize that there’s just no excuse for the Steelers having such a terrible performance. I’m actually disappointed that the Ravens have to face Johnson, Britt, and an actual, competent secondary without having been tested at all in week one. What a let down.
when you beat us in the AFC Championship Game or a division game, then you can crack open the champagne.
After that showing on Sunday, it’s starting to look like a very long time before we’ll be seeing the Steelers on that stage again. If I were a Steelers fan, I’d be spending less time justifying one of the worst performances in the league last weekend on a Ravens blog, and more time with my fellow, dejected Steelers fans trying to figure out why I should have any hope at all moving forward.
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by Ampallang on Sep 15, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And there is the next argument that Steeler fans use: “We have a whole bunch of SuperBowls, so… yeah!” Either way, it’ll be hard to beat you guys in the playoffs this year when you guys aren’t in it. We’ll say hi to the Patriots for you when we beat them in the AFC Championship game though.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 15, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha! classic woman speak. Keep saying you’re fine when it’s plain to see you’re not. We just bent you over and you act like it’s no big deal. Waddle back on home and use a donut to sit on because you’re obviously butthurt over this ass whooping.
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We don't usually destroy teams, just win the games, so a win is a win and we don't expect to destroy anyone because we don't have to.
Ben’s overall record is like 70-30 and because of him, we are now winning championships again, but most of those wins haven’t been blowouts and probably never will be because we are a defense first team. If it is necessary to win with offense this year, Ben, along with our young money receivers,
will be able to accomplish that task and we will always be in the mix for the title game. Do you think that you can really say that? You haven’t been able to in the past.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
… we are a defense first team. If it is necessary to win with offense this year, Ben, along with our young money receivers,
will be able to accomplish that task and we will always be in the mix for the title game.
It all makes sense now. You didn’t realize that the season started last week and you missed game one. You may want to catch the highlights before you make any sweeping statements that refer to anything approaching competence with regard to either Pittsburgh’s offense or your defense. The big plus for Steelers fans to take out of that game, though, is that Pittsburgh had some marginal success in the third phase.
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So what you are saying is that you don’t expect to blow out a team that can barely field a competitive team. You really expect to go to the SuperBowl, Championship game, or even the playoffs like that?
The fact is, we destroyed your team, made them lose their cool in front of everyone, and showed every team how to beat you like that. This wasn’t a 3 point win, it wasn’t a 7 point win…. It was a 35-7 win! That is something every fan of the Steelers should feel ashamed of. Talk from you or your team is just talk just like it was before the game when you all ran your mouths. We’ll close them for you yet again, just next time
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 15, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Monongahela PA originally, then Greensburg and now northern VA.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Defending AFC Champs,, in case you didn’t know is a playoff calibre team.
Last time the Steelers were the defending AFC champions, they weren’t a playoff caliber team. After Sunday, it’s hard to believe that this year will be any different.
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Geez when was the last time that your team was the AFC Defending Champs??
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
12 teams make the playoffs each year, and 11 of those end up as losers. It’s kind of pathetic that you’re trying to justify Sunday’s unqualified ass beating by saying your team has been a marginally smaller loser in the past than the Ravens. If you get to the playoffs, you either win the trophy or you go home.
Here’s a more relevant question: when was the last time the Steelers had back-to-back playoff appearances?
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Trophies are all that counts and we have 6!!!!!!!!! You have, uh 1? And none as the Browns??
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
We have four: ‘58, ’59. ’71 and ’01. The Browns have several Championships from the ’50’s. But since Cleveland was allowed to keep their colors, logo, etc, all that history has as much to do with Baltimore’s as, well, as you and your ramblings on an Internet blog do.
So, yeah, you are up on us six – four. We win another one before you, that makes it six – five -pretty close…
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Trophies are all that counts and we have 6!!!!!!!!! You have, uh 1? And none as the Browns??
I think the problem here is we ravens fans are talking about the now and you as a steeler fans is talking about the past. The steelers may have 6 trophies but those six trophies have nothing to do with 2011 nfl season. Im not trying to be a show off but those trophies definately didnt help the steelers beat the ravens last week.
I will agree that the steelers have beating the ravens when it counts but its a new year now new ravens and new nfl season. Im sure the steelers will be much motivated when the ravens see them again and Im sure the ravens will be motivated as well. If the ravens win that game I guess you always say the steelers have 6 throphies and the ravens have one.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
But guess what? If you make it to the big dance and we don't, I will root for your team to win
because I have the utmost respect for your team and I also have an admiration for them because we are almost mirror images of each other and hava fantastic rivalry! Peace out!
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 15, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes...if you become a Steeler fan!
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Sep 16, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Instead of posting this nonsense over here
Why don’t you go on a Steeler’s board and figure out how the hell you are going to contain Ngata and Suggs next time we meet, not to mention Rice and our young tight ends.
The past is in the past – time to worry about the product the Steeler’s put on the field right now, in 2011.
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