Which two corners give us the best chance to win, come Sept 11?

I have to disagree. Cary should start over Carr. He has the reps and physical skill to match up with anyone. Carr should be a slot guy.

And that Jimmy gets the start on the other side. I think Cary should be our #3 CB when the season starts

I dont see how you could say jimmy should start over Cary because Cary has clearly out played jimmy smith. In the cheifs game when Jimmy Smith was covering Dwayne Bowe Smith allow catches to be made but when Cary Williams covered dwanye bowe he had a pass deflection. In the the redskins game Jimmy Smith got beat by Santana moss for a toucdown but Cary Williams stripped the ball out of Moss hands to stop Moss from making a touchdown.

I know Jimmy Smith is a first round pick and was a shut down cornerback in college but this is not college anymore also if anything Cary Williams looks he going to be the shutdown cornerback before Jimmy Smith does.

Jimmy showed his rookie ways against Washington. He needs to learn more and trust his teammates.

If I recall correctly (and since I’m old, I may not), Smith was getting beat regularly in the KC game and then they pulled him off Bowe, or perhaps it was the changeover to 2’s and 3’s by that point so Bowe was out of the game. Either way, from what I saw of Smith against Bowe, he was close but no cigar. Whereas, every time I’ve heard Williams named mentioned (and a handful when there was no mention), it wasn’t for almost making the play. It was for actually making it. Smith may have looked solid against the Skins, as you say, but again, for the life of me, I can’t remember anything he did to impress me.

As far as Carr – I don’t like him. Don’t feel comfortable with him. Wish we’d kept Wilson. But, Carr is who we have and every one else that we have is either not there yet, not BACK there yet or maybe never will be again. Webb has been gun shy since his injury and only looks like half the player he was before. Foxworth seems to be completely done and only a major transformation will bring him back to being effective as a #1. Smith is not ready as I’ve said already. So Carr is the only real option we have to start against a team that we MUST beat on opening day.

So you think Jimmy Smith is ready to be the starter from day one? I just dont see him being ready and I think he should be used in a limted role allowing him to grow from a couple games then let him become the starter. The only cornerback in eyes that really is the best so far is Cary Williams and alot of people are talking about Jimmy Smith but Williams so far has out perform every cornerback on the roster.

1)He can line up in press coverage and not 7 yards back and can physically/effectively engage the receiver at the line of scrimmage
2. He runs with his man instead of shadowing him from 3 yards away
3. He is faster, stronger and more instinctive

all of that and he still allow receivers to catch the ball on him and he got beat.

as opposed to our other CBs, with the exception of Cary Williams who has been a most welcome surprise.

Besides that, I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he is better

are you really saying that Williams isnt better than Smith right now? Jimmy Smith and Cary Willliams have both covered the same wideouts int he preseason so far and Williams has more success in coverage then smith

I didn’t say the remarkableness of the catch is not a fact, I said it’s not a factor – which means it’s not something you can judge a CB by. Good CBs are able to defend against a catch no matter how good (or lucky) the receiver is. Of course they all get beat occasionally. And Ed Reed makes A LOT of mistakes. The catch that we’ve all been laying at Carr’s doorstep from the first PS game was actually Ed’s fault. He was nowhere near where he should have been on the field and Carr had no help over the top. But that’s standard for Ed’s style and the CBs are at fault for not knowing it and expecting no help.

JImmy Smith has shown me nothing exceptional in the pre-season, and since I don’t really pay attention to college ball, I haven’t been jerking off to his college highlight reel for years, like a number of people seem to have been. But having said that, per your question, what he has shown me is far in excess of what Torrey Smith has shown (which is NOTHING at all), so I’d have to say that at this time, Jimmy > Torrey. But that wasn’t the point of the post, nor of the topic of the thread, because neither Torrey or Jimmy are likely to be of much help come 9/11, although Jimmy might…

Are we talking actual results in a football game or in statistics? Sure, 60% is great if all you’re going to look at is the stats/QB rating/whatever. But give a good/great QB 12 cleans throws against a team and I’d bet that at least one goes for a TD, and several go for long yardage, which possibly result in another TD. Now since we (Ravens) continuously play games that are decided by a few points, allowing a standard of at least one TD (or possibly two) given up to the opposition per game is not really a plan for success.

And I was not comparing Jimmy to Torrey, except that they are both rookies. I was comparing rookies at WR against rookies at CB. Since some have already anointed Jimmy the second coming, apparently it’s not possible to even consider that he doesn’t know everything there is to know and should already have been named the MVP, Rookie of the year and Jesus Christ v.2., So, maybe we’ll get lucky and the whole team will be injured so Jimmy can play the game by himself and still win…

No one has yet given what I asked for – one solid example of Jimmy making a play beyond the one pass he defended in (I believe) the Eagles game. So while we can discuss the hypothetical greatness of Jimmy Smith and what talents/abilities he does or doesn’t possess and how prepared he is or isn’t, apparently, no one can actually provide any proof on the plus side. So I stand by my opinion that he’s not ready to play day 1.

Of course not – it’s impossible to prove a negative.

Mark my words, if Foxworth starts against Pitt, he’ll get burned just like he did against the Redskins Thursday night. I was there and watched him play out of position and give up 3 big plays on one drive.

I know some here won’t be convinced until they see it for themselves, but this is exactly why we drafted Smith. No OTAs means limited time to get ready, but put the dude out there and let’s see what happens.

They can’t play press coverage, so we can’t blitz as aggressively. Jimmy and Cary allow us to do that, even if it would result in some rookie mistakes early.

why can’t they play press coverage? is it because there height because Darrielle revis is the same size as Foxworth, is it because they just cant do it because they not aggressive enough?