Film from Preseason Game 3
by Evan Skev on Aug 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT
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PrintLink to the significant action in Week 3 of preseason. There's a lot of good and a lot of bad. Key in on any player and you can rate his performance for yourself. Add your thoughts and recommend this post if you found it useful!
A short list of things noted after one viewing:
Jimmy Smith is very demonstrative after the blown coverage on the TD
On the long TD run, did Terrence Cody fall or get pushed? and then Cory Redding falls... and Tim Hightower has lots of daylight
Is Terrence Cody getting pushed out of plays?
Michael Oher frequently has his hands full at LT
Ray Rice is unstoppable
Anquan Boldin's tap dance on his TD is textbook
Cary Williams can play ball
Joe Flacco is a stud QB.. he throws darts and he throws one hell of a deep ball
Terrell Suggs is in SHAPE
Ozzie Newsome should be arrested for grand theft after the Lee Evans trade -- Evans gets off the line and gets open... very savvy & very fast WR.
more to come...
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Very good look at everyone. Pretty much the same ideas I had come up to after watching the game. A little bit of worry, but overall, pretty good.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
Oh and that Torrey Smith end around was horrible. He wasn’t faster than anyone on that play and then ran backwards. I hope that stays the hell off the playbook.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't even that...
that play worked just once last season and now it’s expected. STOP USING THE END AROUND!
I liked the 2 pt conv by Koch, but I don’t like that we showed it unnecessisarily. Could have used that later on when it was really needed.
I don’t know what happened to Cody on that play, but I will say he did a good job. He consistently drew a double team and pushed the pocket a bit. We just got to get our coverage a little tighter because it looked like we were beating their O line, but the Qb’s got it out really quick at times.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Cody got cut block ...
and then Ray got pancaked. Give the Skins credit for a well executed play.
First two minutes of the film should be entitled: Foxworth gets owned. 5th best CB on the team so far this preseason.
First two minutes of second half: Webb gets owned. He’s a better pass rusher than cover guy right now.
I assume Smith did blow the coverage and not Reed on the TD. I’ll give him a pass on that one as a rookie mental error. Otherwise, I think his coverage has earned him a starting position opposite Cary.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
I think Carr is a starter and will get the bulk of the work
Smith will be on the field immediately because he has the skills… but lack of experience will limit his participation… agree?
I could see that happening. I see all the DB’s getting some action though. I think it could depend on who we play and who’s playing well at the time. I really don’t think we will have a set depth chart at CB.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Agree – Smith will not start immediately. The lack of preseason OTAs didn’t give him enough time. My guess is he comes in on sub packages at CB and Carr moves to nickle.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
NFW Smith starts day one
To throw him in the fire on day one vs. Pittsburgh i whacked. Can’t see Harbaugh doing that. Nickel back perhaps but still doubt that. I’d start Carr and Cary Williams right now and use Webb for the nickel and bring J. Smith in at dime or special situations. By season’s end J-Smith will be starting but not right off the bat in such a critical game.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Carr can’t stay with Brown or Wallace.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can say that Bruce, but ...
I say rookie mistakes and all, Smith is still the best CB on the team. I would run him out there in nickle against Pitt. Carr is the nickle back in sub packages anyway, and Smith has played far better CB than Webb or Fox in preseaon games.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
Smith is still the best CB on the team
how is smith the best cb on the team? what has he done ? If Jimmy is the best cornerback on our team then Cary Williams got to be the ultimate best because he has out played just about all the cornerbacks so far
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
On Oher
These are the positives and negatives I saw when watching Oher in that video….
00:54 Ray Rice huge run – Oher does a good job on sealing that outside edge and clearing the opening for Ray to get to the second level where he excels.
1:37 Failed end-around – Oher doesnt touch a single person on this play. I know he is supposed to move to the outside and help clear in front, but he doesnt touch anyone.
2:53 Sack – Again, Oher doesnt touch a single person on this play. It looks like everyone was supposed to block in front of them and he missed the guy that touches him when he comes in for the clean sack.
3:16 TD run – Even though Oher doesnt make a huge impact here, he did exactly what he was supposed to. Helps out at the line for a second, notices he has no one to block and then scrapes up to the next level to pick up a guy. Had this not been a goalline situation, that second block could have been what got a long TD run.
6:31 – Oher is just getting beat bad here. He is clearly struggling to keep up with the player on the outside. Had Joe taken any longer on that one, it would have been nasty.
All in all, Oher seems to be great at run blocking. He does a good job of getting up to the second level and really helps seal the edge well. Pass blocking, he is just terrible at. It looks like his arms just aren’t long enough and then he gets beat by a strong initial push or a quick outside rush. It also seems like he just doesn’t know his protection responsibilities all that well. A move to the right side should help him be dominant, especially with some TE help and Yanda on his left. I can see a lot of runs going to that right side as well with Boldin blocking his CB, a TE Oher and Yanda doing a great job of sealing that side off.
After watching that a little more in depth, mixed with what else I have seen from Oher, he just doesn’t seem capable of being a LT at a high level. Maybe with some more experience, he can go back there and flourish, but it will definitely be a struggle against his physical traits.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
The more I watch of Webb, it almost seems like he’s much better suited for Safety. If he can add a little more meat on him and still keep him speed and athleticism, we might have a good replacement for Reed in a few years. Unfortunately, he just doesn’t do man coverage that well, but I could see him doing well as a roaming safety ala Reed. That might be an interesting development over the next few years.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is pretty good in man coverage
he has struggled a bit this preseason, but that’s mostly been at nickel, where he hasn’t played a ton before this year. He has been solid on the outside since he’s been here. He’ll get it fixed, he’s a very good player.
Hes a good athlete, but he isn’t seeing time against #1, #2 or even #3 guys at this point and he’s getting beat pretty bad. He’s great on the blitz and he’s pretty good playing over the top. But one on one, he is struggling like he did last year.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If he struggles again this year I could see him turning into a solid ball hawking S though. So maybe you are right and he switches position, but I would like to give him at least this year though because he definitely has all the tools to be a CB he just needs to get it figured out.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Oh I agree. I want to give him some time to see if CB is right for him, but Reed will be gone soon and I can see Webb taking over very nicely. If he doesnt stick at CB this year, I say ask him to bulk up a bit and switch him over to safety and see how he does there. It might help take the pressure off him a bit.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Webb = safety?
Way too small, despite playing in college but low-level college ball. Cary Williams would be a better safety IMHO.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean too small. He’s the same size as Reed is. At this point, I just hope he gets to see the field some more in a better role.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 28, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Hawk, the whole thing with this comment is that he would need to put on about 20 pounds to his frame. The 2 inches is another good reason on why a change to safety might be good since he won’t have to do the jump ball thing and can just play over the top
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Webb has the body type to add that much weight, but it doesn’t really matter since we haven’t heard anything from the Ravens about Webb switching to or even playing safety. I think it’s unlikely.
I Think They
Took a few pounds from McKinnie and sewed them onto Webb…
Webb is 182… … with all his equipment on…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
haha good one! Dude has to lose the weight somehow.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 30, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully he can get it figured out as a CB. He’s fast and he may have the most fluid hips of any DB on this team, but for some reason has been getting beat all pre-season. Hopefully it is more just learning how to play in the nickel, but he has all the tools to be a very good CB. Get it figured out Webb.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
At least we know we will have a dominant right side of the line again. We got some maulers in Oher and Yanda. Pound the rock behind them with Leach cleaning up the leftovers sounds good to me.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Yes
and my mckinnie skepticism is diminished after seeing him in drills and hearing him say all the right things
I haven’t seen anything on McKinne so far. Do you have a link for some video? I’d love to see how he’s playing
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehh, I didn’t get a lot from that personally. Lets see how he looks in the next preseason game to give us a better indicator of where he is at.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Word on McKinnie is
that he is much better at pass blocking than run blocking. At 6’8" or 9" he has those long arms like JO and Gaither did, while Oher is more of a mauler with T-Rex arms in comparison.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Giada on food network has longer arms
by Evan Skev on Aug 28, 2011 1:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
T-Rex arms
Whenever I hear that I automatically think of this….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LVXjB_VUfk
That and it just so happens to work perfectly for Oher as well.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 28, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I Do Also
Love that clip!
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Yeah, imagine putting Ngata in at TE for a play to go along with Oher, Yanda and Leach! Players would have to go around that that tackle Rice, cause you aint going through it.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather leave Ngata off the offense because of that scare the one time, but we could even use Reid. I have been very impressed with his run blocking.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Aug 27, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with that, but apparently Cam said we will use that on some goal line situations. Cody and Ngata will both get put on the line
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam apparently also told Gruden and Co. the other night that 48% of our offense is audibles. Don’t put too much trust in what Cam says.
(or knows…)
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha Yeah, I did remember thinking… .WHA!? when I heard that
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 28, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i like webb’s play… does he seem to be a little bit of a gambler and could that be an issue? remember his rookie season? he was baller
unfortunately since then ...
… he hasn’t been much of a CB
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
agree – can’t figure out what happened. He looks lost out there except hen they turn him loose on the QB. Maybe he is overthinking instead of letting his talent just flow.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
Thats what I am thinking. He has ton of talent and I would want to get him on the field more. I think maybe a move to FS might be the move he could make to really get more playing time and have a better career. Just when I see him play overtop or blitz, it looks like a young Reed out there.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
According to NFL.com, he weighs in at 182. He adds a little more meat to him, he could bulk up to 200, which is where Reed plays at.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If Webb puts on 20 pounds,
he will be so slow and worthless.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it would be contingent on him keeping that speed. 20 pounds isnt a lot for a guy like that. He could bulk up, add a little muscle and really be able to throw his body into his tackles.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 28, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
dude, 20 pounds is a ton for someone who weighs 170…
I’ve gone from 175 to 197 at 5’11’’ and it is very difficult to maintain speed. I was about 22 at the time and in excellent condition from years of dance and hoopin…
i’m 5’10" and even 5 or 10 lbs makes a noticeable impact on my running.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
this is what i mean when i say that people don’t understand how these guys work…
paul kruger is a great example… but almost every pro is a good example… HARD work… staying in shape and eating right…. especially as they age…
mstev thinks it’s easy to put on 20 and maintain… it takes so much time, effort, and discipline~
i’m 5’10" and even 5 or 10 lbs makes a noticeable impact on my running.
But in all fairness Jackmca, you aren’t a finely tuned freak athlete either. Some of the things these guys can do are outside the norm because they arent normal. I certainly know it will affect his overall speed anywhere from a bit to significantly. But safeties also aren’t generally expected to run 4.2 40s either. Maybe he plays a hybrid position instead?
staying in shape and eating right
I’m not saying he eats candy and plays PS3 for the next year and a half. He’s skin and bones currently, getting in the weight room and hitting it hard could easily add some bulk to him. Think of it more like a boxer. Depending on your body type, you can decide to be leaner or bulk up a bit to add a little bit to your punches. Same goes here for Webb imo, he could add a bit of weight and while losing some of his top end, still be pretty fast overall.
mstev thinks it’s easy to put on 20 and maintain… it takes so much time, effort, and discipline
We are talking about top tier athletes and not Joe Blow from down the street. They have more ability to add and remove weight and bulk than us normal people do. Paul Kruger is a great example of this since he added some weight to his frame and now can do things he wasn’t able to do last year. It may not be the easiest thing to do granted.
From the reports I have heard (maybe it was during a preseason game), we had already asked Webb to put on some weight and bulk up a bit. I’m not saying that Webb will be Torrey Smith fast if he adds that weight, but he is already fast and could use that to his advantage by putting on a bit of muscle, losing some of his top end and be able to thump when needed. Hell, I’m not entirely sure bulking up would be necessary for becoming a ballhawking safety, but it would help to lay hits.
Again, all of this is just my opinion. Seeing him blitz like he does, be willing to tackle, and being much better at playing over the top instead of man2man, it all lead me to my opinion. I very well could be wrong here, but its just my opinion Evan.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 30, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But in all fairness Jackmca, you aren’t a finely tuned freak athlete either. Some of the things these guys can do are outside the norm because they arent normal.
Yeah but most can’t, which is why most don’t. Name me a single athlete in any sport who was 5’9" and in the 180 range who bulked up 20 LBS () and was still effective. You can’t name a single one.
Boxing is totally different because 1) the vast majority of boxers slim down to weight rather than bulk up. They weigh more at the fight than the weigh-in. 2) We’re still not talking about a 20-lb range here. We’re talking about a 12-lb range more likely and when a boxer can be effective across that much of a weight span it is highly unusual and commendable. 3) They aren’t RUNNING anywhere, and their straight line speed isn’t important.
Paul Kruger is a great example of this since he added some weight to his frame and now can do things he wasn’t able to do last year.
Kruger actually proves mine and Skev’s point that adding that much weight caused problems for Kruger last season and he mostly disappeared. Now he’s back down to his natural playing weight and he’s more disruptive than ever. Don’t recall who but it was either Ozzie or one of the coaches who said he was “miscast” last year as a D Lineman.
I’m not saying that the idea hasn’t been floated to ask Webb to add some weight, but 20 lbs? You’re nuts.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
Kruger actually proves mine and Skev’s point that adding that much weight caused problems for Kruger last season and he mostly disappeared.
I was under the impression that they asked him to gain more weight this season. I could just be a year behind though and it certainly isn’t based in any research.
Name me a single athlete in any sport who was 5’9" and in the 180 range who bulked up 20 LBS () and was still effective. You can’t name a single one.
That is a pretty big span. For one I could use Anderson Silva, he is able to jump between 3 weight classes with enough notice. I’m certainly not expecting Webb to add the 20 pounds in the next week or even year. It is a very slow process where he adds muscle to mostly his upper body. Now I will agree with you on boxing being different and it wasn’t a great analogy as they do have different outputs. But to correct you a bit…. Boxers and wrestlers don’t really “slim down” as much as they sweat their asses off to get the the highest level of the weight class below them and they bulk right back up by as much as 15-20 pounds the night of the fight.
But as I also said, straight speed isnt super necessary for a safety like Webb and adding that much weight to be the same size as Reed wouldnt be necessary either. It would be if he wanted to bulk up and perform the duties of Pollard, but if he wanted to take over from Reed, a little bit of bulk would do the job as long as he kept his quickness and was able to fight for the ball.
We really got off topic with my point though. I think Webb would make a good safety given his skill set and speed.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 31, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
20 pounds isnt a lot for a guy like that.
then a few comments later
I’m certainly not expecting Webb to add the 20 pounds in the next week or even year.
That is a pretty big span. For one I could use Anderson Silva, he is able to jump between 3 weight classes with enough notice.
Anderson Silva is only the single most dominant athlete in his sport. We might as well compare Webb to Manny Pacquiao.
Boxers and wrestlers don’t really "slim down" as much as they sweat their asses off to get the the highest level of the weight class below them
yes, I’m aware. Not sure how this is different from “slimming down.” Like I said, they weigh more at the fight than the weigh-in. Regardless, this is a tangent I brought up only to show you that even in this extreme example of weight-change, the comparison doesn’t work.
We really got off topic with my point though. I think Webb would make a good safety given his skill set and speed.
Yeah the only problem is he is undersized, which is where you proposed the idea that he gain 20 lbs, which is how we got to the top of this reply…
Well it would be contingent on him keeping that speed. 20 pounds isnt a lot for a guy like that. He could bulk up, add a little muscle and really be able to throw his body into his tackles.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
Anderson Silva is only the single most dominant athlete in his sport.
Ahh, but since this has gotten so ridiculous at this point, you had commented that I couldn’t find 1 person. When in all reality, there are quite a few that do that pretty frequently.
Again, everyone seems to want to compare an elite athlete to any normal guy on the street when that just isn’t accurate. I will admit that looking more at the situation, adding 20 pounds may be a stretch for Webb, but my original point as pasted below by me, was that Webb has the skills to do well at Safety.
I’m really not sure why there seems to be a giant thing about this when I’ve said numerous times that this is my opinion and has no basis in any factual information or reports by anyone with the team. If we are going to debate Webb playing safety, then lets do that and keep towards my original point please.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 1, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not my fault you threw the whole 20 lbs thing out there. You’re acting like we’re the ones who took this debate off-track…
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
My point is that I didnt throw the 20 lbs thing out there. Evan did. Then when I want to get off of it and get back to my main point, you both keep bringing it back to the weight thing. That is my issue on this man…. certainly nothing personal its just something that I have to deal with whenever I have any conversation with Evan and it gets old really fast.
We clearly don’t agree on the weight issue. Can we please get back to me saying Webb has the skills to play Safety?
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 5, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
you’re wrong about a lot of stuff but mostly because you refuse to listen
I’m telling you from personal experience that 5’8’’ 170# athletes do not gain 20 pounds and maintain quickness… adding that much weight to that type of frame creates a completely different person
Webb is not Pollard and Pollard is not Ray Lewis -- and the diff between the pro athlete and your neighbor is mostly, persistence, work ethic, discipline, and desire…
they don’t have special DNA.
speaking of pollard, he is going to crush people
Evan, you take what I say to the maximum and you completely miss the point half the time. My original point had very little with Webb adding weight until you brought that up on him needing to add 20 pounds. My original point was that Webb has the skill set and talent to play safety imo. Now I never ever said he would play Pollard’s position or have his role, so please read what I actually wrote on that. Just in case you don’t want to, I’ll outline my thought again below….
I think given that he isn’t much of a man 2 man corner and really can’t do press coverage well at all relegates him to a nickel back position at best as a corner. However, he does play well when he has a little room around him and he is great with the ball in his hands in a similar fashion as Reed (though very few if any could come close to Reed’s talent level and skill). He may not lay the wood like Pollard can and that wouldn’t be his job. He would be a ballhawk and a blitzer on the edge (just like they have him doing now). He would play over the top and give help to the CB and in play a role in zone coverages.
I certainly don’t think that these athletes have special DNA, but they are freaks of the physical world and regardless of how much you or most people would train, you will never reach what these guys can do with their bodies. Even thinking you could is a gross overestimate of your ability.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 31, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
My original point had very little with Webb adding weight until you brought that up on him needing to add 20 pounds.
the whole 20-lbs debate got started with
According to NFL.com, he weighs in at 182. He adds a little more meat to him, he could bulk up to 200, which is where Reed plays at.
your words
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
the part i like is when he says that “even thinking you could is a gross overestimate [sic] of your ability”
really.
OK, what about the rest of what I said there? Any comment on the rest of that?
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 1, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
who knows, maybe Webb could be the black Jimmy Leonhard, but i haven’t heard anything from the Ravens about a position change, and we’re pretty deep at safety as it is.
The 20-lbs bit, regardless, was the part that i felt the need to respond to, and then you kind of acted like we were distorting your words when in fact all we did was quote you…
Who knows though, maybe in a year or two you’ll see Webb put on FIVE pounds (lol) and play some FS… I doubt it but what do i know…
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
Haha, it is what it is. Like I mentioned above, I just want to drop the weight issue because we just disagree about it and that’s fine.
I had also mentioned that my thoughts were not backed up by any evidence, just what I noticed about his skill set and how we seem to be using him differently. That I could see it happening eventually.
The fact it went this long is solely because, no offense, you and Evan kept bringing up the weight issue when that had nothing to do with my point until Evan brought it up initially.
Its all good man, no hard feelings at all.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 5, 2011 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
your words
My point….
He has ton of talent and I would want to get him on the field more. I think maybe a move to FS might be the move he could make to really get more playing time and have a better career. Just when I see him play overtop or blitz, it looks like a young Reed out there.
Then Evan made this comment…
webb is 1
So again, I never brought up his weight in the slightest. I did look it up after this comment and make notice that Evan’s prediction was off according to the numbers we have.
So yeah…. Again, we are getting a bit off target here. But if we would like to keep talking about making weight, we can keep doing so.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 1, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
webb is 170 pounds…when he’s soaking wet
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 1, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
we just had a little misunderstanding…
i get what you mean now
but
i disagree when you say that one man is better than another man and that people shouldn’t dream
if these pros didnt dream of being pros, guess what they would be doing…
yeah
Very true
Most of it is dedication, but you really have to admit that someone like Randy Moss is greatly better than someone like you or I. Just from a physical standpoint, we can’t do what he can. But dedication can make someone like a Derrick Mason into who he was/is.
We get each other man!
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 5, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Webb played safety in college, not corner. The NFL was the first place he played corner. So his struggles are understandable, and yet still frustrating.
He’s got a lot of talent, he just needs to figure out how to reroute receivers.
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
Yes, safety at Nichols State
and I think the only player to be offensive, defensive and ST player of the week in conference history (he played a bit of Wildcat I believe).
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
AND
Will Fox be on this roster in Week 1? He’s looked really bad and I ass ume that they’re talking about how to keep him off the field
if he plays the entire preseason and then gets restructured, traded, or cut it won’t look like a punitive move
Will Fox be on this roster in Week 1? He’s looked really bad and I ass ume that they’re talking about how to keep him off the field
I expect foxworth to play in week one also you got to give the guy a break because he still recovering from his acl and that was his first time seeing the field as much as he did.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
you sure are panicking of one preseason game performance besides by the time the regular season start Foxworth will probably be better and play better.
I can understand if foxworth was getting beat like that in the regular season but to come out to question him now from a preseason game when you know he still recovering, know he probably a little rusty because he hasnt played football in like a year, and etc is a little overboard
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
My isssue is ...
I don’t want to see him getting beat like that in the regular season. I am not giving up on Fox, but he obviously has not fully recovered enough from the ACL to start the season. Some guys take 2 years to fully recover. He will get picked on and torched by Pitt if he gets the start.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
I don’t see the Ravens eating his contract just yet. Actually surprised they didn’t PUP him.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
my question is does he provide depth as long as he can’t keep up with 3rd WRs? and, if not, do you attempt to trade him or cut him before his salary becomes guaranteed? i know that pushes more dead money to 2012…
Question
If they cut him now, how much cap space does it free up this year? Ozzie might need some space to sign a vet QB or center since they surprisingly can’t seem to get the Haloti deal done.
I am not going to be terribly shocked if they cut him if it frees up some decent cap room. My assumption was that it doesn’t, and they would give him some time to strengthen the knee during the season, which is why I thought PUP was the better choice. Maybe since they didn’t PUP him, their intent all along was to cut him if he hadn’t recovered enough in time to make the team. We’ll see.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
good point…
do you think his situation is different because of the role he played in the labor dispute? why has it taken him so long to get back up to speed when others do it much more quickly… look at welker
my instincts tell me that he is gone if he doesn’t show up soon
here is the site I use for contracts
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/domonique-foxworth/
Fox counts for $7.1M against our 2011 cap (huge number for someone who can’t contribute)
We save $4.4M of that if we cut him and all of it if we trade him…
almost $3M in dead money in 2012 if we cut him…
Trade is out of the question
No one wants an injured Foxworth at that salary.
Didn’t realize he was that much cap space. Hmmm, that would pay for a back-up QB and center.
Speaking of which, I just have this sneaking suspicion that Ozzie still has Bulger on his speed dial.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
For $2.5M
I’ll stand on the sideline and hold the clipboard.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
I'd love to, but ...
I couldn’t take the pay cut. :)
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
by Fandemonium on Aug 30, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Tempting ...
but those damn college bills!
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
by Fandemonium on Aug 30, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Any word..
On why Lee Evans was sporting a boot today?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/27/lee-evans-shows-up-in-a-boot/
No biggie
just precautionary and he will be fine for week 1.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Harbaugh admitted that Mattison made wrong line calls, including protections. The reason the o-line looked like ass could partially be because of that.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 27, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I still wonder if we won't pick up a vet center to back-up Birk.
Can’t see having Mattison backing up a gimpy Birk – that is a recipe for disaster.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
Mattison played very well during the preseason against #1s. He made some mistakes, but he also had some shining moments. He most certainly wasn’t the weakest area of the line in any game.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 30, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh
You and obviously don’t agree on anything.
Coke or Pepsi?
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
Either…. I don’t have a preference, but I’m trying not to drink any soda anymore.
Mattison did do well in some spots of the game and was even highlighted by the announcers. He isn’t Birk, but he did fairly well with the fundamentals of the game and I didn’t see anyone pushing him around. He will need a lot of work in terms of knowing protection schemes though since the center is the central hub of the Oline and even a lot of the offense.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 31, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ALSO
Tandon Doss… he went up high to snag a 20 yarder from Taylor over the middle. The kid is not scared of knives or of DBs. Gotta love this rookie.
Tyrod Taylor… I know it was late in a preseason game but his great performance deserves credit. He is young and will only get better. Rocket arm and great wheels… Gotta love him
by Evan Skev on Aug 27, 2011 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
OFf topic
The steelers just had pouncey and a cb injured so they r really thin
zmmckay – August 27, 2011 via mobile reply
by zmmckay on Aug 27, 2011 8:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
OFf topic
The steelers just had pouncey and a cb injured so they r really thin
zmmckay – August 27, 2011 via mobile reply
by zmmckay on Aug 27, 2011 8:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m sorry lol I won’t do this anymore lol
by zmmckay on Aug 27, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Josh
watch the unnecessary derogatory terms, please.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anthony Allen
check out his footwork and running style… he’s tall like eddie george and big like ricky williams
if he turns his big run to the outside instead of staying in the middle and goes one on one with the corner he could break it
gotta love this rookie
Yeah, I can see him doing really well next season. Maybe even taking some serious carries away from Rice like he did to McGahee in his second year. You know how much we like the bigger RBs that can pound the middle. Plus with Rice coming into a contract, it really might happen. Either way, he’s a really good talent.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 28, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
rice is a pro bowl rb/wr who does it all… allen is a rookie learning the playbook. maybe he takes carries from ricky?
McGahee kinda had the same role with the team until Rice showed up. Not saying its super likely, but it also isn’t the furthest thing from possibility either. I can definitely see him getting some playing time next year though, maybe in a limited role
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 30, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the knock on Allen ...
is he coughed up the ball in training camp (have to trust the Sun writers on this since we didn’t get to see any this year). So I wouldn’t expect to see him getting the ball any more than Parmalee did last year. Which if memory serves was never. If he can cure the dropsies though, I wouldn’t mind seeing him getting some carries.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
The coaches said he has hands like rice. I wouldn’t worry about that.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 28, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just looked up his college stats
His senior year he fumbled 6 times in 240 carries, or once every other game. That’s not hands like Ray Rice. If you meant the food, he needs to cook those hands into sticky rice.
Not trying to knock him at all. My concern is that if he fumbles in practice, which is what I read, then the coaches will be hesitant to put him into a game. And I want to see him in the game! He runs like a beast.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
No…hands meaning catching the ball, not carrying.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
If you meant the food, he needs to cook those hands into sticky rice
worst. joke. of. all. time.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
This is good film. Thanks for sharing it. Do they do this after every game? Helps to look at key plays again so opinions based on fact and not memory.
by PurpleMoonDance on Aug 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks. This makes a good weekly column during the season.
by PurpleMoonDance on Aug 30, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I will do one every week then… one for who we played and one analysis for who we’re playing
WOuld love input
Yeah, this is really nice. It gets a lot of discussion going on the players, the plays and can really be a good teaching tool for people that may not know specific coverages or whatnot. Great work Evan by finding this and putting it up. I meant to say that earlier to you.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 30, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
(holy crap – did I just agree with Mstevens?)
I think both would make nice features. Front page worthy even. Let people argue based on film fact vs. memories.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
by Fandemonium on Aug 30, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what the hell is wrong with you! ;)
people arguing is a good thing as long as it doesn’t get ugly… it’s good for biz
I try not to listen to ...
those voices in my head. But they are so damn persistent!
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
though that one was true :)
Luv ya Evan. We may not always get along or like how we go about arguing, but I don’t think either of us take stuff personally and I’m just glad to be a Ravens fan.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 31, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting excited to watch the game tonight and then watch film later tomorrow.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 1, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The typical network. Not sitting in front of my TV right now, but I imagine you found it already.
by Mstevens_Design on Sep 1, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with that. We all tend to remember what we want about the game or about a player’s performance when things are happening so fast and we don’t always get the best angle. So its really nice to be able to review something like that and make points off of it and not off a fuzzy memory.
And I always make good points! If you ever disagree with me then you’re just wrong :)
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 31, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Baltimore Ravens
Are heading into the 2011 season with a stacked roster and low expectations from the talking heads.
Get ready to shock the league.
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