McKinnie Told He'd Play Left Tackle
From The Baltimore Sun's Jamison Hensley's Twitter this morning:
In an interview with ESPN, Bryant McKinnie says #Ravens told him that he'll play left tackle and Oher will move to RT
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Experience wins out over raw youth.
How many heavyweight champs would knock out younger boxers with the same amount of skill and more punching power. Rope – A- Dope.
Thank God, finally
This thread was lacking pessimism.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A couple weeks ago when I said we should give him a look
Everyone except BAL_Hawk was totally against it.
And now you’re questioning him getting the gig at LT over Oher because he has more experience?
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then I mistook what you meant by it, my apologies. I got the “experience wins out every time” part, but I thought you were implying that its not always the best call, and that the McKinnie > Oher situation was an example of that.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was never questioning him getting the LT spot
Generally the veteran will beat out the rookie at a position, unless the rookie is vastly more talented or the team is looking to get younger at the position.
In our case we’re shooting for the SB now so the experience vet should start now to give us the best chance to be dominant NOW.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I brought him up in my Who's Out There article
Though I’ll be honest I didn’t give him much of a chance just because I wasn’t sure where his conditioning was at.
Of course his agent said he was in great shape, but agents always are saying that about their clients. I always thought he was a good player, when he was in shape and had his head on straight. I love this pick-up by Ozzie!!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
vike fan here....fyi, we laughed him out of town, good riddance style.
i’m just saying that he was released for a reason, or two, or three.
good luck with him. i hope he finds a little motivation for you.
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Here's hoping that McKinnie goes back to '09 mode
If so, the Wizard of Oz could have turned us into a SB contender by giving us a huge upgrade at both the tackle spots!
by Mysterious on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The problem seemed to be lack of motivation..
from the looks of it, he wants to play here. It may be a risk but you have to expect that Ozzie knows what he’s doing here.
Kind of funny that our weakest spot on our roster just a week ago, may have just become one of the strongest.
Score another one for the Wizard!!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to you and Hawk
You two were on board about getting him.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
….if he passes his physical.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The more I look into it
The more I’m starting to think the weight thing may have been a little blown out of proportion, he was cut before they even had to do conditioning tests so he might have been in better shape than he looked.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
vike fan here. not to be a downer, but he was released for good reason.
Kind of funny that our weakest spot on our roster just a week ago, may have just become one of the strongest.
and remember, we don’t have a replacement for him. our o-line sucks balls.
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ya but he was making a ridiculous amount of money from your vikes, and he is only guaranteed 1 million for the Ravens. That might be incentive enough for him.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 25, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
^ This is the difference
At the Vikes he was a franchise player with the pressure that goes with it. For us he’s a cheap veteran option that if he doesn’t fly straight will get the ax.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
true, you are trying to plug a serious hole, and the price is right. it's worth a shot.
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I’m excited to see JH vs McKinnie. Easily the best move your FO made in the off season.
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Agreed… He seems to fit perfectly with all the Miami alumni. He also fits our scheme and fills a big need.
As of right now, it is the best move. However, I get the feeling that the Lee Evans trade is going to look damn good come the end of the season.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I think these two moves combine
To make them the best, Evans gives us the speed we need, but McKinnie gives Joe the time need to throw the deep ball for Evans.
As usual the O-line move will make WR and QB look better and more than likely they will get more of the credit than McKinnie and the O-line.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Leach gets my vote, by far. The holes he’s going to open up for Rice, the blitzes he’s going to pick up for Joe, the hits he’s going to make on defenders…..damn, my mouth is watering.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kind of funny that our weakest spot on our roster just a week ago, may have just become one of the strongest.
you are in for a rude surprise. he is a turnstile. rookie speedrushers were smoking him last year.
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quote fail, my bad. i meant to quote christopher atwood:
…but McKinnie gives Joe the time need to throw the deep ball for Evans.
he can barely give a qb 2 seconds a lot ofthe time. and he runs out of breath after 2.7 seconds.
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I'll reserve judgement
Until I see it for myself in a Ravens uniform.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
here is a re-post of a comment illustrating what i mean...
okay, i’ll try…here are some examples of mckinnie’s “sub-par on-field play”
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsASxsXXpno&feature=related
..(farve gets crushed twice by mckinnie’s guy. favre needs major off-season surgery).
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBh9SvWj2wk&feature=related
..(favre gets crushed by mckinnie’s guy, a rookie, on the opposite side!
.. favre’s career ova).
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrLnBWY_ga0&feature=related
..(favre gets crushed by mckinnie’s guy in 1.3 seconds. favre appears dead,
.. and is never the same).
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O9yos_1ktI
.. (watch mckinnie aimlessly stand around like a snowman as joe webb makes
.. people miss anyway).
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZivl5iKCo&feature=related
.. note the multiple holding penalties, actually, i think that is also "illegal contact".
6. plus, he showed up to camp today and got put on the non-football injury list…
…cuz he is fat and out of shape.
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikings_sideline_Bryant_McKinnie_restructure_Bernard_Berrians_deal080111
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by danny lloyd on Aug 25, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I want to know is
Why does #5 link to a video of Barney?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh That
Is Hilarious!!!!
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oh, that's just "McBarney" in action...notice the illegal contact.
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christopher, mckinnie gives us nothing unless he works his ass off to learn the playbook and get in shape
as of today, mckinnie is just another gaither, albeit one with a terrible rep in minny instead of baltimore
Could McKinnie implode and become a total bust? Sure, but I don’t think Ozzie would have signed him and told him he’d be on the left side if he was completely useless. I’m going to trust the judgement of the FO on that one.
I think the whole needing to get “into” shape was blown out of proportion by the media. Was he overweight? Yes Was he nearly 400 pounds as reported? If being in the 350-370 is “near” 400 then I would say yes, but he wasn’t the 380-390 that everyone was saying.
As far as he rep, most of the really big stuff on his off-the-field issue list was 6 years ago so I’m willing to say the guy has turned over a new leaf.
The work ethic stuff that has been coming up about him I think is mainly due to becoming disenfranchised with the team he was on, strangely most of that starter two years ago when Chilly sold his soul to get Farve to come to the team. I think that whole fiasco wore of the entire team and McKinnie was done with everything.
A fresh start, with new motivation here with a clear Super Bowl contending team might be just what the doctor ordered.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh…I’m not as sold on Evans as you all are though. Got him in the 19th round of a 12 man league though.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked great the other night. I think it’s safe to say that Flacco is the best quarterback he’s ever had.
Maybe. Time will tell. Preseason doesn’t ever sell me one way or the other.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think Flacco is better than Losman, Edwards or Fitzpatrick?
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Maybe to Evans.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
With McKinnie
His prospects only get better, I think Evans is going to surprise some people when he shows he can do more than run a 9 Route.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not sold on anything we ever do here.
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It comes from being a Steelers fan
We could have James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Troy Polamolu, Derelle Revis, and Lawrence Timmons on defense and Tom Brady, Calvin Johnson, Mike Wallace, and Adrian Peterson on offense change to our team right now and he wouldn’t be sold on them.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true, I’ve got a lot of respect for Lewis, Suggs, Reed, Ngata.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I also liked Wilson last year.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, what’s that over there?!?!
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
what! oh! that’s mendy tweeting about how great osama was!
wait…no… that’s whines hard calling the police officers liars and denying that he was driving under the influence of alcohol!
no no no! it’s harrison beating his wife!
oops…sorry…that was foster trying to end someone’s career with a dirty tackle after a play is dead!
great team you got there!
So Sergio Kindle and Stallworth are what? What about Suggs and his use of bleach? And then there is your fresh #1 draft pick. Those who live in glass houses…
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
just watch this video five or ten times and tell me what kind of players you have on your team. this move was condoned by the coaching staff in retaliation for a perceived late hit on rothlis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az_xtFyJmE
shitty city.. shitty organization
this move was condoned by the coaching staff in retaliation for a perceived late hit on rothlis
That is a big load of bullshit. Tomlin was upset about it and disciplined Foster, who also apologized directly to Chaney.
And again, Baltimore is a shitty city. I know, I live right there.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s sad that users like you bring down the quality of this blog.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Whether or not the quality is good or not
Coming here to the Ravens blog and talking trash about the Ravens home town and hyping up the Steelers is bound to bring out the hostile side of people.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I come here to talk trash? Or did I come here to express admiration about the McKinney signing and was then met with trash talk? I guess we see it different ways.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuse my mistake
You were not the first one to start throwing stuff, I apologize.
Though its does seem that Steeler fans make some people see red.
Again I apologize for my inaccurate trash-talking claim.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, sorry about the game thread the other day. Had a few beers and I’m uneasy about the OL. I took the Gilbert thing to seriously.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What he said
We’ve had some fans from other teams (Chiefs and Steelers recently) who have just been mixing it up trying to cause trouble.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this site and really enjoy the banter between fans but,
There are a couple of people that need to understand that opinions are like assholes.. every one has one and they usually stink. However shitty they may be there is nothing you can do about someone elses opinion or asshole for that matter… I think Even just likes to get a rise out of people..
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by lastcallbmore on Aug 24, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
by lastcallbmore on Aug 24, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We will have trouble against the Steelers
If this is how the NFL instructs the referees to ignore penalties
Yep, the Steelers are the only team in the world that has ever gotten away with a subjective call like holding.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that they are the only team
Its mainly that those said calls have been higher profile than others, which makes everyone more hypersensitive about missed calls when the Steelers are involved.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
To me, it’s just people who cannot admit the better team won. They have to resort to blaming the refs.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A good team
Takes the game out of the hands of ref by making the play on the field. I just think the Steelers have become a bit of a lightning rod in terms or missed calls and fines for hits.
There are missed calls all the time in the NFL, Pitt just always get the immediate headlines about it.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
At worst
Sometimes I think officials can be influenced by a home crowd at times, you see it often in the NBA and occasionally you can see the same thing in the NFL in especially loud stadiums.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, maybe McKinney and Evans can finally help you get home field in the playoffs this year. Maybe that way I can go to the game!
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be ok with that!!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Holding is a subjective call
I think Harrison gets held quite often and its not called. I know it goes both ways though, so I don’t get butthurt about it.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s from bmore. But he’s okay.
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by jackmca on Aug 24, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But I was merely making the point
That as Steeler fan you generally are going to try to find weakness in the Ravens, just as we Ravens fans look for them in the Steelers. Because as fans its hard for us to admit that an opposing team doesn’t have weaknesses.
As such you’re more likely to take the pessimistic side of things with prospective players that may turn into good/great players for us because to do otherwise would be giving the Ravens the chance that they might have the talent to over take the Steelers, which as a fan of said Steelers you wouldn’t want to admit to bunch of Ravens fans.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the idea bout being pessimistic about prospective players. I do not agree that I think you have the talent to overtake us.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point
By having a more pessimistic view of our players and the impact they will have it then allows you to believe that the Steelers are the more talented team because if you took the more optimistic view like Ravens fans about our players you could see how we are thinking we have the talent to overtake you.
Because both teams are so close in terms of overall talent it basically comes down to how you view the players, in an optimistic or pessimistic way, that determines who you think of as the “better” team.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, show me where I did that.
Or is it make outlandish accusations day? You shot JFK.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did you shoot him? You terrorist.
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m excited to see JH vs McKinnie. Easily the best move your FO made in the off season.
I feel silly quoting it because it was one comment up, but you know…
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by John Stephens on Aug 24, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ye of little faith
Ozzie has a plan, he always does.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not going to say I saw this coming, but I’m not surprised in the least. Let’s just say MaLoR and I were justified in that “blind faith” you said we placed in ozzie when our tackle situation looked so bleak. I knew he wasn’t planning on moving forward in that condition.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 24, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You said further down the thread that Ozzie just earned his blind faith. I say he already did.
In lieu of making my own judgements based on complete information, I trust ozzie who knows many things I do not.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 24, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it’s not about blind faith… there’s a negative connotation there… i weigh the facts… i take note of what’s happening and what’s being said… then i look at what’s not happening and what’s not being said… i process all of that info and compare it to what i’ve learned from living on my own for twenty years…
then i come to a conclusion… it isn’t blind faith… it’s quality critical analysis based on facts and a priori knowledge…
Wow… You are really starting to annoy me.
i weigh the facts…
The facts…
1. The Ravens were being forced to start a rookie RT and a shaky LT.
2. They had virtually no depth at either position.
3. Oher, Reid, Cousins and the wholw OL looked terrible when they allowed 6 sacks.
i take note of what’s happening and what’s being said…
What was happening…
1. Cousins was so bad the Ravens moved him to guard.
2. Reid was progressing slowly.
3. Oher was still having problems with false starts and protection at LT.
What was being said…
1. The OL was universally critisised for their lack of talent at tackle and lack of depth.
2. Most experts were saying that the chances of beating the Steelers with the current OL were slim.
3. Harbaugh and Cameron both expressed concern over the lack of depth.
then i look at what’s not happening and what’s not being said…
Wow… I laughed at this point. I would like to know exactly how you examine nothing.
i process all of that info and compare it to what i’ve learned from living on my own for twenty years…
Maybe you have some special wisdom and insight after living on your own for so long, but it seems to me that there were plenty of reasons to worry.
Obviously, I probably should have trusted Ozzie more given his great record, but don’t act like you do all this “critical analysis” because Ozzie made you look smart. Plain and simple.
Yeah Hawk I think your line of thinking and mine are very similar, we just arrived at different conclusions given the same information at that time.
I’m definitely not claiming to be a genius. Ozzie’s got that covered for me.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
Thanks, jackmca.
If the conclusion is that Ozzie knows best no matter what, that’s great. That’s probably the best conculsion for fans. Like I’ve said, Ozzie has earned some blind faith and trust.
The problem I have is when people act like they had everything figured out and correctly analyzed the situation when all they really did was simply agree with everything Ozzie did.
At this point, its just easier to not respond directly to him. Regardless of what you say, its just going to get the same response like he’s a bot or something. He is getting more attention over it than the whole topic deserved originally.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 24, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you do.
You are on point with your views / ideas, and you keep a level head. Your initial thoughts on the Gaither situation was the one time that you kind of went overboard.
Keep speaking your mind. You are a good voice on this blog.
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Yeah… I admit that I got a little emotional at first, but I honestly believe what I said about Gaither.
Luckily, we got McKinnie. Hopefully, we won’t ever need Gaither again, and Ozzie can remain the genius.
no one needs gaither, hawk… and mckinnie may not be an improvement… time will tell
and you annoy me far more than i can annoy you… remember that
If I annoy you so much, why do you keep following me around making snarky remarks?
I have gone out of my way to drop it and stop responding to your comments, but you keep bringing it up.
Please, just stop.
That is his tactic. Until I snapped on him earlier, he was doing the same exact thing to me. Follow me around the forums and any post I made, he was right there with a comment that had nothing to do with it and was getting personal about it.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 24, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
evan, you are correct about mckinnie...why do you think he got cut?
some vike fans were clamouring to get jared gaither as his replacement!
thinking that would be an upgrade (it’s funny to read the sentiment about gaither here after reading the hype over on the daily norseman about him).
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gaither was a disappointment but some people still want him back for a vet mini deal… those people are pretty clueless
mckinnie may turn it around for a while but everyone knows he isnt the solution at LT… I’m hoping he just gets out there and helps us beat the yinzers
+1
Ozzie knows more than us, he has been showing it all off-season
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't deny this most likely made us a better team this year.
We basically upgraded at both right and left tackle.
I don’t have a problem with this because Oher hasn’t shown anything yet on the left side. This is a real strong move by ozzie if we can get the McKinnie of old. Everybody was panicking for awhile, but like the saying goes " in Ozzie we trust."
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No one was doubting Ozzie for fielding a competitive team, but McKinnie comes with a boatload of baggage. Its a strong move for sure and one with little risk in it. But none of us knew McKinnie would show up to camp at 400lbs and get cut
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like this happens almost every year
Ozzie looks smarter to me every year, is there a way to keep him as our GM forever?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus I heard he has a job down in ’Bama waiting for him when he does.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True
I feel confident with DeCosta waiting in the wings, but still you have to marvel as Ozzie works.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think sent McKinnie all those McDonald's coupons at the end of last season.
by TheShadow on Aug 24, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL +1
Secret maneuvering by the Ravens FO there
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope this is all for real.
If McKinnie passes his physical and is able to play at his former level, I don’t see any significant holes on this team. We are stacked with legitimate weapons and pretty much every position and we have quality depth everywhere, Qb being the only possible exception. The only issue this team will need to overcome is gaining experience for the young guys and obviously avoiding injuries (but every team has that issue).
Ozzie and co. will have some very tough decisions to make when selecting the final roster, but when that’s your biggest concern you know things are going to go well.
Don't be shocked that people die
Be surprised you're still alive
+1
Well said. And Harb’s & Oz haven’t ruled out bringing in a veteran QB just yet.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed. We all thought the line and pass rush were going to hold us back big time. The pass rush has looked as fierce as ever and if McKinnie can re-gain his old form our offensive line could be the strength of our team. That gives us a pro bowler at every position on the line other than Yanda who is our best lineman right now. I’m getting real excited to see this play out.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
“That gives us a pro bowler at every position on the line other than Yanda who is our best lineman right now.”
And if Yanda gets to play at RG this year, he’ll more than likely get his first nod to the Pro Bowl.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Yanda playing a whole season at RG? Delicious!!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if you think mckinnie is a pro bowler, you are delusional.
he is the most underachieving player in vikings history. he was selected to one pro bowl and it was widely considered a joke. he rode the favre wagon to that selection, and then he got kicked off the team before the game because he was out partying and didn’t want to go to practice. he basically embarassed the vikings and the league. he is completely over rated, imo. and we still cut his fat ass.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
it is clear you are not high on Mckinnie,
thank you for stopping by. good luck this season…lol!
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
by lastcallbmore on Aug 25, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Our team should be beastly on offense. Run, pass, whatever. Cam has no excuses this year if we don’t light it up. Oz gave him the personal he needs. Time to get it done.
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
Yeah, our line looks pretty good on paper right now… McKinnie, Grubbs, Birk, Yanda and Oher. Awesome!
Agreed and Birk was taking snaps yesterday which is great to hear.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I can’t wait to see our big goalline packages too. Cousins and Jah Reid coming in to play the TE positions. Teams are going to need a bulldozer to stop us.
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
F**K YEAH!
That’s a damn good sign! Ozzie is a f’n genius!
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I bow down to the master of the offseason
Ozzie has created a symphony with the way he has made this team during the craziness of the offseason.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
OH SWEET
BABY JAMES JESUS, JOSEPH AND MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hallelujah!!!
PleasebeforrealPleasebeforrealPleasebeforrealPleasebeforrealPleasebeforrealPleasebeforreal
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"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
funny, he weighs 400 pounds, but he floats on water cuz he is so bouyant.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
dude troll somewhere else please!
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
by lastcallbmore on Aug 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
We know you think McKinnie is a bum, but he’s not on your team and he’s OUR bum lol
For all we know he might have just been fed up with the Chilly-Farve drama the last few years and needed a fresh start. Funny how he seemed to start having issues right when that crap started isn’t it?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
What else is he going to troll about?
How they keep raiding old age homes for their quarterbacks? How the Vikes are going to be worse than their 6-10 finish last season? How they’re hoping to completely whiff the division this year (instead of going 1-5 last year)?
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
When you put it that way....
I feel for you danny lloyd, sorry you have nothing else to do but tear down your team’s former players as they try to escape that black hole up north.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
that's lame. i'm telling you the reality of his play and lack of effort.
you seem to wear the “purple shades” (as we say on the viking board).
or “drinking ther purple kool-aid” by bowing to your FO over this move.
i’m not tearing down mckinnie. he tore himself down, and got our qb’s
seriously injured because of his heartless play.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Your warning is noted
I’ll wait to judge Bryant McKinnie’s play by what he does as a Raven, not when he was a Viking.
Thank you for playing!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
rude again....at least i posted some telling game video.
but you drink the purple kool-aid. this is the honeymoon period.
i fear for flacco’s safety, you better hope he plays better.
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Yeah but then we have Oher who has to readjust to the LT position and we stunted his development there for nothing.
I trust our Front Office so I’m not too worried but McKinnie had better work out. Before I didn’t think we were taking much of a gamble on him but telling him he’ll play LT is definitely a gamble.
by Roa on Aug 24, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, but it’s not like Oher was dominant at LT. I would have given him a year, but I think we would explore other options next year anyways if Oher didn’t show much progression which he hasn’t so far in pre-season.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
vike fan here....but it's his natural position, and doesn't oher do better at rt?
i hope mckinnie works out for you guys, i’m not trying to be negative, just realistic.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
oh yea you're being a real ray of hope over here. Our front office knows what it's doing..
It isn’t like we signed him to a huge multi-year deal. If he sux, as you say, then we sit him /release him and be done with it.
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
by lastcallbmore on Aug 25, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
my comment is in response to Roa...he makes a good point.
LT is mckinnie’s natural position, and oher had to adjust from the right side to the left side. it seems to make sense to put mckinnie on the left side and move oher back to the right side. i am agreeing with Roa’s point.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Vike fan here… You’ve started about 20 posts with that statement. Like it’s something to be proud of…
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no need to be an ass.
You get what you give troll-boy. Apparently, Mr. Lloyd is still smarting over a love affair gone bad with McKinnie and, like the rejected lover he is, he’s trying to ruin him for anyone else. So go back to cutting horns out of purple construction paper and pasting them on the life size cut-out of McKinnie that I KNOW is the centerpiece of you mom’s basement and move on. Or get Michelle Bachmann’s husband to try to pray the gay away.
And if you think it’s your job to “warn” us about what we’ve gotten, you accomplished that with your first post. The next 40 were just superfluous. And while we’re on the subject, your opinion counts for squat over here, so just head on back to the frozen north, and hope wait for the spring thaw. It ought to be any day now.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i haven't gotten personal with you, i haven't insulted your team. why be such an ass?
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Though you have been spouting negativity about something that is exciting for Ravans fans
As the saying goes, during the off-season everyone is a Super Bowl contender in the eyes of their fans.
I would liken it to someone from Florida State stalking your message boards to constantly tell you about how terrible Christian Ponder is as a QB, how he’s injury prone, etc, etc.
You guys wouldn’t like someone raining on your parade about a player you’re excited about and people here aren’t to keen on you doing it to us. McKinnie’s history is well documented for everyone here to find if they want, the excitement here is just about the potential his signing gives our O-line and by its very nature potential is always optimistic for people. That’s why before every draft fans go nuts for 7th round draft picks despite having never seen them play in the NFL, its the excitement and thrill of the potential that they offer to our team.
So don’t be completely stunned when people start getting mad at you as you go around spreading your message about how bad McKinnie has been in the past. WE GET IT, moving on…
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
bad example. ponder was a 1st round draft pick, mckinnie got cut.
b-cuz he is fat, lazy and unprofessional. and is now a band-aid to your problem.
that is not raining on your parade…wait, you are having a parade over this?
seriously, it’s better to know what you just acquired than to pretend
that you just signed the savior of your offensive line. join reality.
and i’m not stunned by the ignorant personal comments. but at least
the 2 or 3 people who haven’t acted like asses get what i am saying.
you know, we signed charlie johnson from the baltimore colts….wait,
make that the “indianapolis colts”, to replace mckinnie. he was a cast off
from that storied franchise (known as the indianapolis colts, did i say that?).
the guys on their board were pretty cool about telling us just what to expect.
because, when it comes to anything about the nfl colts, i talk to indianapolis.
and you know what? they were dead on right. he stinks and has been getting his butt beat practically every day. and we have a clear view of our o-line.
but that is reality. that’s where real football fans roam. but you keep on
playing in your delusional little fantasy world. i’m sorry if i ruined your
little delusion, but evan is correct, he is a realist on this issue.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
I made a mistake
physical complete does not mean physical passed
apologies
Mckinnie tweeted it so I doubt he would tweet it if he failed
by Raven_all_day on Aug 24, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well unless he was doing drugs, if he has gotten pass the physical part of the physical then he should be good lol
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Mckinnie tweeted it so I doubt he would tweet it if he failed.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 24, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sad
You guys will be getting a player with all-pro potential and all-buffet work ethic. Hope he proves me wrong though, good luck Mckinney.
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 24, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
we just let another one go… jared gaither had all-pro potential but didn’t quite get it going in the pros… mckinnie has eight or nine seasons on his resume and we have our fingers crossed that he can make a positive contribution to more than just the hospitality industry
how do you feel about donny mcnabb?
Time will tell.
One thing is for sure that he fits a LOT better in every facet into a Les Frazier staff than a ultra weasel control freak Shanny staff. Totally new offense for the Vikes too so The Purple in the North are excited for this year. That, and NO BRETT FAVRE.
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he had you guys so close to the big game… that TD pass he threw to whatshisname to bea the 49ers a couple seasons ago was LEGEND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxSzxIxPrY
favre will be back!
We are greatful for Favre's PLAY
and abhorrent of the media circus freak show that comes with it. I should have been more clear.
It’s good to finally have a quiet training camp.
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I'd be glad to get rid
Of the No. 4 issue at last, but now you have a No. 5 issue lol
You guys looking ti sign Mark Sanchez next?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
goddam mcnabb came in and stole our punter's number. just heartless and cruel i say.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
I'll go through the list one more time
This is what was happening a month ago when we made all those cuts and people were guaranteeing 8-8 or 9-7 at best all over Baltimore (not particularly here, but other places).
- No fullback, our running game is screwed.
- No deep threat because the rookies are coming along slowly.
- No thumper at SS, Zbi is a little small to play the position.
- No quality RT and Oher shakey at LT. No depth whatsoever as well.
Now, it looks like this.
- Best fullback in the game and maybe the best in the last 10 years.
- One of the best deep threats and scoring WR to EVER play the game statistically.
- An absolute beastly tackler and relentless SS who has a history of hurting people.
- The best OT on the market and former pro bowler, along with a Patriot starter OT and solid backup C. Oher now goes back home at RT.
As everyone was freaking out about this stuff, I was sitting back saying Ozzie will take care of it. Most of us here were pissed at Ozzie for not getting an Asomugha or Sidnery Rice, but look at how it all worked out now? We filled every hole that was a MAJOR concern (back-up QB and TE were never as important as the others) and now we are right back at where we left off with an even better team than last year.
As always, In Ozzie We Trust. Thank you Mr. Newsome for once again coming through when we needed it most.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 24, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I am not sure if people doubted him, but were just bewildered by the moves he made. We got rid of alot of guys that we had grown accustomed to seeing help us work towards a Superbowl, and they just vanished out of no where.
But as always, Ozzie comes through with even better options.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
You’re right. I never really doubted Ozzie. I simply believed that we should have done certain things that we didn’t, and in my defense, much of what I (and others) were saying made sense given the information that we had at the time.
What we should take away from this situation is that… as you so eloquently stated… Ozzie knows best, and even if there are glaring holes/problems, he’s probably working on them and will find a solution better than we could conceive of.
That may sound like blind faith to some, but I say that Ozzie has earned some of that.
Exactly
We aren’t some second rate basement feeder team that just “hopes” someone will step up to fill the holes on our team. The FO sees them and fills them with the best option that is available without blowing up the team or the cap situation for the future.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a complete 180 from what you’ve been saying the past week… you had a “sick feeling” that gaither would catch on somewhere else… that this time the front office had made a huge mistake…
“given the information we had at the time” is excellent politician talk but several of us categorically disagreed with you on your position regarding the FO and decisions regarding gaither… you were very stubborn in defending your opinion
come on dude… own up to it instead of using italics and really lol
What’s your problem? I haven’t said anything that I’m ashamed of. I never made any guarantees. I never said anything that was personally insulting to anyone. I just called things as I saw them and tried to portray my opinions as clearly as possible. People on this site know that’s all I’ve ever tried to do. If I’m guilty of anything… It’s being too cynical.
You were condemning Gaither as a trash player and saying that he isn’t worth the time of day. I knew that he was/is a risk. I admitted those risks. My only point was that he was worth the risks based on (1) the Ravens’ extreme need at tackle and (2) the low cost of his contract. I still think that his contract was worth the risk… $700K is not that much even if he’s a flop.
At the time, I thought the front office had made a huge mistake. As it turns out, the Ravens found a much better deal with McKinnie, and it looks like they had a great plan all along, but how could I have possibly known that? I couldn’t have, and that’s the point. To believe that everything was fine at that point would have been blind faith. Because let’s face it… anyone who trusts in Ozzie regardless of the situation or circumstances has blind faith.
Just because Ozzie pulled through (again) doesn’t mean that there were never any concerns or that people who questioned the decisions of the front office are stupid for doing so. Obviously, Ozzie was concerned about the tackle situation as well because he went and signed McKinnie.
The lesson here is that Ozzie has earned some blind faith and deserves our trust.
You’ve exhausted my patience on this subject. I’m done. For the last time. LET. IT. GO.
EVAN LET IT GOOOOOOOO!!!!!
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
by jazz20 on Aug 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Try ignoring the Gaither comments
Maybe if its doesn’t get a reaction it will just go away like a little sibling that is just annoying you to get a reaction from you.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What’s the name of #71 LT who just left the Ravens? I can’t seem to remember.
by mookie_20 on Aug 24, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mark LeVoir
Former Patriot
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather that's the new 71 so the old 71 is done.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Don't be shocked that people die
Be surprised you're still alive
by onethingiknow on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
…. mckinnie is an unknown quantity.
the only reason he is an “unknown quantity” is because they don’t have a scale big enough to accurately weigh him. he is a fat tub of goo….sorry.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Ravens fan here.....no one gives a fuck!
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
well you will pretty soon, if he continues to play the way he does.
i seriously hope he works out for you. maybe getting released is a wake up call for him. four bills…..four bills.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
It's all about the ass with you, isn't it?
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I do. Don't like the playground? Go HOME!!!
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You're quick.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agreed Malor
Because Ozzie wasn’t jumping into the Free Agent frenzy right away, but Ozzie knew that FA lasted through ALL of the preseason and into the regular season as well. Now is when Ozzie is showing why he’s considered one the best GMs of all time.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If someone would have told me and others here about 3 months ago that come late August we would have Leach, Pollard, Evans and McKinnie, I would have laughed at them and said no way that happens, those are too many good players. Maybe 2 of them at most.
Now look at us, basking in our glory.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I know
Not to jinx it but who really has the “Dream” Team now?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the eagles
Reverse jinx
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nicely done sir
I was just saying… lol
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie works in mysterious ways
But he has a plan, he always does.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and now we are right back at where we left off with an even better team than last year.
Im not worried about the defense Im sure they will be fine but im more worried about the offense. we look good on paper but we also look good on paper last year. Chemistry is a important factor when it comes to have a effective offense and I be looking for how the chemistry will be because the question still remains how will Joe Flacco operate with out his two go to guys?
I know some one will think Im crazy for saying that and may be thinking oh Jazz you just still in love with Mason & Heap but thats not case at all. I’m just going to be looking for how the offense operate in the regular season and to see how the chemistry develops.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I see what you are saying
Early returns have been promising with the new guys on the offense, but the main cogs in the offense this year (Boldin, Rice, Dickson/Pitta, Evans) seem to have good chemistry with Job so I’ll be optimistic about their chance.
In addition that group fits together better in terms of skills and complementing each other than the group from last year where Mason, Boldin, and TJ all played a very similar role in the offense.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot to add Ricky to the list. Here it goes.
- No backup RB, which has been a very important role for us the last few years. We just don’t trust the rookies.
Now
- A RB who “gets it” and still has very fresh legs even at 34 years old. 2 years removed from a 1,100 yard and 11 td season.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I didn't doubt him, I simply looked at that situation and said, I hope we get this fixed.
People said we needed a reciever and got lampooned for it…Ozzie went out and got a reciever. People said we needed a more stable line and got lampooned for it…Ozzie went out and got a more stable line. As far as I can tell, the folks criticizing back then were right that the situation as it stood was no good, and the folks who said trust in Ozzie were right in that ozzie fixed things. We all win.
If this is true, I just hope Oher’s confidence is not completely shaken. We’re replacing an ascending player with a guy on the downside of his career, on the most important position on the offensive line. Hope this works out…
I think his struggles at LT
May have messed with his confidence which led to his struggles as it got into his head. Moving back to RT where he was a a stud might be just what the doctor ordered to rebuild his confidence and take the pressure of the success of the offense off his shoulders.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you are right, but I am just cautiously optimistic about this move. If McKinney works out, this will turn out to be the best move off the offseason. I am hoping McKinney comes in with a big (no pun intended) chip on his shoulder, and kicks some serious ass.
Agreed
A motivated McKinnie could be a fearsome sight to other teams (and a joy for us) to behold.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
1WinningDrive
Baltimore Ravens
OT Bryant McKinnie has passed his physical and officially signed with the #Ravens.
via Twitter
https://twitter.com/1WinningDrive
yes
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 24, 2011 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Score
Very excited now that this is official!!!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 24, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sniff Sniff
I smell something… What’s that I smell…? A shiny new Lombardi, that’s what I smell!!!
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I smell something… What’s that I smell…
mckinnie after mexican food.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Yeah
I kind of opened myself up for that one… I realized that as soon as I hit “Post”.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
i couldn't resist...
over on the viking board, rumor has it that the earthquake coincided with mckinnie landing.
okay, bad joke.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Over on the Vikings board, a win is a cause for a statewide day off and flags to be lowered to half-staff.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You are.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
now, now....that's just uncalled for. why are you being a troll?
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
It’s in my DNA. I was born under a bridge. Are you trying to discriminate against me. It’s just the way dog made me. I’m sure that’s an excuse you’ve used a number of times.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh No,
That joke played over here as well…
That joke would be funny, even in Siberia…
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
McNabb’s diaper.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 25, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he now says he passed
look at his twitter page again. He’s a Raven!
I recend my cynical view of Oz
We just became solid all across the board. If we can finish the 1st half of the season 5-3 or better we should be even better the second half of the season, as our new pieces gain more chemistry as a team. Let’s hope the football Gods bless us with a low/no injuries season. Can’t wait for the season to start!
Can’t wait to play with this team on Madden too
by Georgia Raven on Aug 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
our schedule is cake
We could easily finish the 1st half at 7-1. So could pitt. We need to be at 14-2 to win the division this year.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont like 7-1 I think 7-0 is much better
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
let’s wait and see if mckinnie can play…
as for schedule, it looked easy until free agency…
now TN got hasselbeck and AZ got kolb… the Rams look good and so do the Jets & Texans
I’d like to count early wins at home versus Pitt and on the road in TN and STL. We get the Jets at home this time so I think that’s a win for us. Then Texans, Jags, Cards, and our bye week before the game in pitt… I’m optimistic we start off 6-1 based on the change in defensive philosophy and upgrades on both sides of the ball. Of course, all of this is contingent upon Harbs&Cam getting the team ready and then going out there and attacking the fuck out of people… like belicheat does.
I doubt we need 14 wins to win the division this season… I think 10 wins the division and 12 wins the conference, based on pitt’s late bye week and their weaknesses at O line and corner. All of this is contingent on polamalu’s leg… if he isn’t healthy, they won’t win 8.
I strongly disagree about the number of wins thing but I’m also not going to act like I’m the one guy capable of predicting an NFL season either.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
its so tough to predict football wins… there is parity in the league and there is also change… that change foments wildly optimistic predictions… and wildly pessimistic predictions… what do we have? a greatly improved O & D? or a chemical mess waiting to explode
remember atlanta early in the season? they had a tough time with a crippled pitt team in week 1…eventually breaking down and losing in OT when spinderella broke a long TD run…
who knows… but I’m liking what our football dudes have done and im hoping that the coaches step up and show some nuts!
We have a rare chance this season with a schedule that includes eight games against bad teams, an early bye week and then ten days off after the Turkey Bowl.
If our men stay healthy and our coaches stay aggressive, we will compete for a 1 seed… if not, I will change my name to Lance Gaither.
This means we have to draft a legit LT soon
Because its a pretty bad indictment of Oher that we will pull a guy off the street who was cut and plug him into the most important position on OL. I know McKinney would have played this year without us signing him, but if the organization had any faith in Oher at LT, they wouldn’t have signed McKinney just to reinforce the RT by switching Oher there.
best tackling team in the NFL, most physical and just dominates people. When we walk out of the tunnel and out of that locker room, we expect to shut people out and play great defense - Ravens DC Chuck Pagano
Slaughter the black & gold and all the rest will flee before us.
That’s one way to look at it… Or you can say they got rid of a player who had outlived his usefulness and picked up a guy who has started 130 games at LT the past nine years in order to solve their RT problem while keeping yanda at guard
Gaither and Mckinnie are similar… But one of them is about to retire and the other has a resume…
I think this is brilliant and creative even if Mckinnie is unable to contribute
by Evan Skev on Aug 24, 2011 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This means we have to draft a legit LT soon
I really dont think so because the ravens pretty much have another left tackle that has shown promise in Ramon Harewood. So far Harewood has look good in the preseason game and if he keeps it up then that will show signs that he can be the future left tackle for the ravens but will need time to develop.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Oher will be starting at LT way before Harewood ever does.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
why do you dislike the guy did you even watch the preseason game when he played?
For a guy that was on pup for atleast 3 weeks and perform the way he did is a impressive to me. Harewood didnt give up any sacks at all and last year it was said he impress the coaches in training camp
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Harewood sucks honestly, I know he is raw but he sucks.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
how does he suck?
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Mckinney was picked 7th overall in his draft class. He’s gone to a pro bowl. He’s an underachiever, but definitely not just some “guy off the street.”
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
I truelly think the Ravens have been in contact with Mckinnie the whole time since he got cut from the Vikes.
I think they monitored his weight to see if he was serious and he was part of the plan all along. Assuming he conditioned himself properly. This would make much sense as to why there were no rumors about him going to other teams. I mean I’m sure teams like KC and Pitt would have def taken a flier on this guy if Ozz didn’t already have his claws in him.
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
I don’t know… Could be right on… But I’ve been reading about Mckinnie and people say hes not who he was two seasons ago…
We’ll know in a couple days right?
by Evan Skev on Aug 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True. Just by what we hear from practices leading up to the final game
by Evan Skev on Aug 24, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True. Just by what we hear from practices leading up to the final game
by Evan Skev on Aug 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some good points made here by http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/why_mckinnie_feels_like_a_shortterm_solution_to_a_longterm_p.html
KVV
by Evan Skev on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice, no matter what happens with Mckinnie at least I feel better about the one area that worried me for now. lol
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
vike fan again...it seems like the ravens were desperate for a solution at tackle.
i really hope mckinnie works out for you. i only caution you that he was dumped for a reason, and now the vikings have a huger problem with our o-line. but we are okay with it. maybe a change of scenery and new team will motivate him a little. at least you know what you get with him.
my only advice is “don’t expect too much”. good luck ravens.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
We just dumped four players that could be productive starters for many teams.
And let a top five tackle just walk, so I take everything people say with a grain of salt.
sounds like a bitter old Vikes fan to me.
It’s not Mckinnies fault they’re gonna blow this year! If Ray Ray has this guys back then so do I… At least until he proves me wrong. I’m sure all that is needed is the proper motivation and to once again play for a winner. In 09 when they where good he was probowl caliber. As the team became the circus that is Brett Farve. He started to falter. Then. the lockout made him too sad to do anything but eat! Cuz he loves football and the Ravens so much.. :)
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
by lastcallbmore on Aug 25, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The Vikes are also a team that gave away a third round pick for Randy Moss, and then cut him a couple weeks later. Their personal moves seem questionable at best.
I’m sure Oz watched film on Mckinney from last year. No way he signs him if McKinney isn’t at least decent.
Ravens scouting > Vikes Scouting
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
Score one Ozzie
A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!
by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
oh yea. that one was horrible. fans are pretty down on that.
and there were several other doozies that our fo pulled off the last few years.
the tarvaris jackson experiment, the brett favre show, anything involving childress.
but one of the biggest issues is that our team let the o-line go and now we are in
horrible shape up front. they couldn’t give the qb any time to drop back and throw.
this means that the receivers don’t have enough time to run their routes…and it starts
getting desperate, the pockets collapse, and our qb’s get permanently injured.
not to meention that adrian peterson is the greatest rb in the league, and they can’t run block for beans. peterson gains so many of his yards all on his own. it is sort of sad, because he could have a couple of 2,000 yard seasons under his belt by now.
plus, selling the farm for brett favre has set us back a few years on the qb front.
a major problem for us was that we used a zone blocking scheme with big slow guys….and it never seemed to open running lanes, just a few cracks here and there. ironically, birk left minnesota just after this scheme was implemented. rumor has it that he hated it, and that was part of the reason the home town boy jumped ship.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Oh Man
Don’t say this:
birk left minnesota just after this scheme was implemented. rumor has it that he hated it, and that was part of the reason the home town boy jumped ship
Because apparently we are implementing “zone blocking” this year. Can anybody else confirm this? I thought I read it somewhere? Cam, you around…? Care to comment/verify/deny/send Mason deep/send Stallworth on and end around?
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
We are implementing zone blocking. I definitely saw it in the first two preseason games. Ant Allen runs really well in that style of blocking, one cut and get up field. Rice can run in any type of blocking, but he should be really good because it opens huge cut block lanes.
The only thing I question about this move is our OL’s size. Usually small athletic OLs prosper the best with zone blocking.
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
Yeah
And our line is anything BUT small, and Yanda is truly the only athletic type. I hope they cleared this with Birk…
Thanks for the heads up.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
well, i get the impression that the running back
has a lot to do with the success of a running play with zone blocking. they need to be patient and allow the hole to develop, recognize it, and then cut for it. they tend to create these cut-back lanes, and a good running back will seek those out.
adrian peterson is not very patient behind the line of scrimmage. he gets the ball and it’s like he is shot out of a cannon, and often times he just runs right into the backs of the o-linemen, then bounces and runs the other way! it’s not pretty.
in contrast, ladanian tomlinson is excellent at being patient and picking his holes and his moment of burst. the vikings got to see that first hand last year when we played the jets. ladanian looked like the wise master, adrian looked confused.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
sounds like you dont know mckinnies track record… the only difference between Gaither and McKinnie is that Gaither flamed out right at the beginning of his career whereas McKinnie has played in 99% of games since he was drafted in 2002(?)
Remember that 2009 was two years ago and two years in the NFL is a very, very long time… especially for players in their 30s.
So don’t jump on the Viqueens fan because he knows what he’s talking about… McKinnie may be able to contribute positively to our team but he is definitely not the solution at LT.
true. i think he could be a real help to your situation right now.
and give you time to get a long term solution to replace him.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
+1
A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!
by Christopher Atwood on Aug 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds like a bitter old Vikes fan to me.
It’s not Mckinnies fault they’re gonna blow this year
geez man did you really have to say all that if you cant say nothing positive then dont say nothing at all. The Vikings Fan just was stating his more the one displeasure opinions of Mckinnie never did that person say nothing negative about our team .
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
thanks, jazz20. i like the ravens. i root for them if they are on the tube.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
good luck to you all too… we just let mckinnie jr. walk out of town because he was a complete bum… those of us who understand the nature of the game and the weak mentality of some of the players don’t expect much from bryant… but if he does contribute, our O could be special this season
check back in and see if he is playing in a month
please nobody feed in to Gaither mess with Evan I beg of you Ravens and others
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Yeah we did!
Then we got better ones all over the place!
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
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