Based on the pre-season so far, should we trade Foxworth?
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 21, 2011 10:40 PM EDT
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PrintSo far, although our secondary has looked shaky sometimes, we are very deep. As we know from last year, 5th corners do not make it on the field very much, ala Cary Williams 2010. We also spent a draft pick on Chykie Brown, and have in camp Talmadge Jackson, who was 1st team all Pac-Ten and a few other undrafted Free Agents. So with our 5th Cb being a #2 or #3 CB on many other teams that are weak in the secondary, maybe we should look into moving a guy like Foxworth. Jimmy Smith and Lardarius Webb are cheap, young players who aren't going anywhere. We just resigned Chris Carr to a deal roughly half of Foxworth's current deal, and Cary Williams has looked very solid and is also young and cheap. This all leads me to think that Domonique Foxworth could be had via trade. We have several holes to fill, primarily starting RT, backup QB, and backup C/G, and could use the cap space. Trading him would clear even more space than cutting him, and we wouldn't have to lose him for nothing.
Who would seem to be a good trade partner for us on this front?
2 ideas:
Oakland- Cooper Carlisle, Trent Edwards
NYG- Stacy Andrews, Sage Rosenfels
Obviously, both of these deals would likely require us to get a pick back also. However, they would both provide us with a backup QB and a Offfensive lineman with starting experience. Both Carlisle (assuming he is beaten out by Stefan Wisneiwski) and Andrews are currently bench players on their current teams, but have started within the past 2 years. Both can play G and T. The need for an offensive lineman may be moot with the signing of Mark LeVoir, but if not here are some options. Both these teams are weak in the secondary, Oakland after losing Nnamdi Asomugha and the Giants losing Prince Amukamara to injury. If you have any other teams with weaknesses in their secondary who could help us with our depth problem on the o-line, write it in the comments.
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No one is going to want his contract on top of coming back from a major knee injury. Not sure why so many people want to see him gone or are talking about a trade. He is still a starting caliber CB and I would much rather keep him on here and restructure his contract rather than trade him and rely on Chykie Brown.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 21, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he smartly nixed that possibility when he trashed his trade value by complaining to the media about pain in his knee… wise vet
He’s media saavy for sure
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by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After the CBA stuff?
He better be
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Read some of his op-eds, he’s definitely a very intelligent guy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ran for office later on.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry I should have indicated sarcasm
I know Fox is a smart dude, I was very impressed with everything he said and did during the CBA/lockout stuff.
I feel good about the future of football even after this CBA ends in 10 years with Foxy in the driver’s seat.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
If he was in line to take over for Smith as the head of NFLPA down the line.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
rely on chykie brown?
He is still a starting caliber CB and I would much rather keep him on here and restructure his contract rather than trade him and rely on Chykie Brown.
Malor, how much did Cary Williams play last year? Not very much. So the mileage we are going to get out of our 5th CB isn’t worth that kind of money (even if he isn’t actuall our 5th CB, we have 4 very solid guys in Carr, Webb, Smith and Williams). However, he is definitely starting quality, sot to cut him shouldn’t be an option this year; keep him as insurance unless we can move him to improve the team elsewhere.
I don’t specifically want him gone, and actually like and value his skill and leadership, but do we really need such an abundance of CB’s? I think we will probably keep 6 CB anyways, based on my evaluation of our depth chart,that is where the value is, and therefore where we will keep guys for depth. I started my article already on our 53 man roster, which I will update and publish after pre-season game #3, which includes that position.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 21, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
He is coming off an ACL injury and has said that he still feels pain in that knee and he also has a pretty big contract. Both those things mean that we’d get pennies on the dollar at best if we traded him now. We’re better off keeping him this season and then look at trading him next off-season (if we don’t restructure or cut him then)
We aren’t discussing such a large return; some solid bench players and a conditional pick. Either of the scenarios I stated above, with say a conditional 4th rounder. We would get rid of his salary (which btw isn’t THAT big, approx 7 million a year), which we anyways will probably cut him after this year if our young guys play as well as they look like they can. That is not a big risk for a proven veteran starter, and if his knee isn’t good, they won’t have to give up the pick. A backup QB and T isn’t such a high price to pay for a good #2 or #3 CB.
Bottom line is, who cares if we get pennies on the dollar. That is what we need to solidify this team, and we will likely cut him next year anyways.
I don’t mind keeping Foxworth here for depth, but I wouldn’t be upset by getting rid of him either. IMO even when healthy he didn’t play up to his contract number and it is a little scary that he is still saying he feels pain in his knee. I don’t think we should just cut him because I heard his contract doesn’t make a ton of cap room, but if we could get a decent draft pick or player we could use for him I would be all for it.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I predict that they’ll keep Foxworth on the roster for this season and either cut him or restructure his contract next season.
He’s still a good corner and may be the best mentor on the team for the young corners, Smith, Williams and Webb.
If they want/need cap space for this season, the best option is to resign Ngata.
How about Foxworth for Dennis Dixon?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
We already got a Dennis Dixon.
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yeah a more athletic version. I loved Dixon in college, so it hurt he went to the Steelers. I hope he succeeds somewhere other than Pitt, but I’m not counting on it and I wouldn’t want him for us. We will however trade you Foxworth for Pouncey? No? Ok I tried.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
No thanks… Dixon is only slightly better than Taylor at this point, and I think Taylor has more upside.
Foxworth isn't going anywhere
Certainly not via trade. However, I thought and said that I believed the team could have made a solid ploy for Asomugha by cutting Foxworth and saving serious cap space then give it to Nnamdi. But nope, didn’t happen. The combination of his knee and efforts against the owners made him a likely target, IMO. At the same time, cutting him right after the negotiations ended would have looked suspicious.
He is starting material here for the Steelers game and I believe he is actually healthier than everyone thinks. He should be with the first team when they open on 9/11. However, cutting him and saving cap space could add to re-structuring Ngata into a long term deal, as well as Joe, Ray, Ben at least. Then we can sign a vet QB (Bulger un-retires) and be ready to sign someone who is released att he cutdown dates.
A story on ALL this forthcoming.
aka 'Rexx'
Still don’t get why Bulger retired. Of course probably for family reasons, but the guy had it good here.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Yeah that was a little surprising
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he just wanted to skip camp
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by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True
Though now he may not have a spot on the team, that scheme works for obvious veteran starters, but not for back-ups.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we'd take him back in a heartbeat
I’m scared to death of Taylor having to play this year
and lets go to Bentleys...
by johnnyrobs13 on Aug 22, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You might be
But it doesn’t seem the coaches are overly concerned at the moment.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
With Joe's health record neither am I to be honest.
Frankly if Joe goes down, Bulger or no Bulger, we’re done for the year.
I think Foxworth’s roster spot is in trouble because of his huge contract and the fact that he’s fourth on the depth chart right now, at best. Josh Victorian, un UDFA out of Lousiana Tech, has been turning heads in camp, plus he had an awesome-looking interception against the Chiefs. I feel a contract restructuring is in order for Foxy.
Foxworth and Cary Williams have taken the bulk of the 1’s CB spots and have looked good as well. Smith is working mostly with 2’s
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Now the Giants should be actively calling us to trade for a CB!
They just lost their best CB, Terrell Thomas to an ACL tear, after already losing their first round pick who was a CB, Prince Akamura, who broke his foot in the 2nd practice of the offseason. So that is 2 out of their top 3 CB’s, done for the year.
Price just went up bitches!
I would trade Foxworth to them.
They don’t really have any good lineman that they could trade, though. They’re as thin as we are… maybe thinner.
Team’s won’t give up a plastic knee for Foxworth. The guy is not ready to play. I don’t see how anyone will want his contract and his knee.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Do you really think that high of him coming off of an ACL that our CB group would turn into a weakness if we lose him?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Do you really think that high of him coming off of an ACL that our CB group would turn into a weakness if we lose him?
We all know Dominque Foxworth will most likely be ready by week one to start he had been rehab all offseason and unlike Webb he his injury was doing the start of traning camp last year. I understand that he is having pain every now or then but so did Webb and this is just part of the process.
I am not going to say our secondary will be weaker if Foxworth leaves but I know for sure it wont be stronger.Foxworth so far is the leader of the cornerback group and thats good to have also just like Wilson he step up his game later on in the season. I think some ravens fans keep thinking about the time when Foxworth was playing bad early in the season and competely ignore the fact that he step up his game later on in the season(meaning 2009).
I know he going through the process of rehabbing his knee still but I have faith he will be ready by week one or atleast week two
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
balhawk
did you read the article above? Stacy Andrews can play G and T, and was a starter at RT for 06 and 07, then franchised, played the 09 season on the tag and tore his ACL in week 16. After a year to recover, he signed a 6 year 39 million dea to play Gl with the eagles. He was benched 2 games into the season because he wasn’t fully healed from the injury. He was then traded to Seattle for the 2010 season where he started at LG & RG for 13 games. They released him because he was due 5 million and they believed he is better at RT (which is what they acquired him to be, but moved him to G after an injury to Max Ungar), but they have a young 1st rounder at that position. He is currently a backup on their depth chart, behind Kareem McKenzie.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 23, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark LeVoir > Stacy Andrews
Name recognition doesn’t make a good player. I watched him play in Seattle. He sucks.
Dude they played him at Guard. He is a Tackle who can play guard. The last time he played Tackle he got franchised and then even AFTER a big injury he got a big deal. Pete Carroll even said that they brought him in to play RT, but because of injury had to use him at LG for 10 games and RG for 3. And yes, he did not play as well at G, but that is because he is a Tackle. He is just barely 30, and played at a near Pro-bowl level his last time at his main position.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 23, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell no. Right now we are very deep at corner. Think about how deep we are. Fox started when he was healthy and if the twin towers start now, he would play the nickel. That’s pretty damn gd.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 23, 2011 8:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
we would still have Carr and Webb though that could play nickel. If they gave us the right price I’m all for it.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I was never sold on Carr and Webb looks like he is a better blitzer than cover guy. Fox would even make the media shut the hell up about our DB’s. If we trade him I think we will be taking a step back. Especially with teams like green bay that are loaded at reciever.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 23, 2011 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was never sold on Carr …
Beyond being our most consistent corner last year, what does he have to do to prove that he can play nickel for us?
… Webb looks like he is a better blitzer than cover guy.
Webb offers a lot more than a Corey Ivy. From what I’ve seen, no other Raven has had that level of success covering Wallace.
In addition, we also have Nakamura who played a good bit at dime last year. Trading Foxworth would hardly be the end of the world for our secondary.
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I can’t remember the exact numbers, but I saw a break down of CB’s in our division and I believe Carr was either 1st or 2nd in completion percentage allowed. I want to say he was in the mid to upper 40’s which is excellent for a CB. I’m not really sure who you were watching last year.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Right Carr is gd. Can anyone show me tape where he shutdown anyone. Ok he played against the guys that run short routes. I laugh at all of you that think Carr is that good. He is decent but not as gd as you guys portray him.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The guys that run short routes are a big part of a lot of offenses.
Carr excels against those inside slick route runners because he plays very smart and technical to cover for his lack of elite athleticism.
Carr wasn’t very good back in 2009 but last year he was one of our best CB’s. (Not hard to do to be fair)
we were a top 10 pass D in 2009
I don’t remember how well he played, but i know fabian wasn’t that good. so it must have been carr and foxworth.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 23, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Carr only started 2 games that year and even though overall we were statistically a good pass D you should remember that everyone was freaking out about our pathetically weak secondary that year and the following off-season.
i remember that part.
but people were worrying unnecessarily then, based on the stats. and just cuz he only started 2 games, doesn’t mean he didn’t play as much as the starter. if i rememebr correctly, foxworth was a fixture on one side, and on the other side, we started with washington, then webb who played well until injured, then carr. frank walker was our last db. so carr must have played well statistically, since fabian and frank walker didnt, and webb only played like half a year.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 24, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions
i remember that part
but people were worrying unnecessarily then, based on the stats. and just cuz he only started 2 games, doesn’t mean he didn’t play as much as the starter. if i rememebr correctly, foxworth was a fixture on one side, and on the other side, we started with washington, then webb who played well until injured, then carr. frank walker was our last db. so carr must have played well statistically, since fabian and frank walker didnt, and webb only played like half a year.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 24, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Carr was playing nickel and usually going up against the teams 3rd WR.
It’s like Carr was playing the lakers and D up Odom instead of Bryant. Then people calling him the best defender in the league.
He’s making 3.5 million / year currently, and he has improved since 2009. The GMs in the league weren’t willing to pay him more than 3.5 million / year. Nnamdi just signed a contract for 12 million / year. Josh Wilson signed for 4.5 million / year. Carr didn’t even get a contract better than Josh Wilson.
Those ratings you are looking at are flawed.
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not true
he actually was one of the best CB in the division last year
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 24, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Right Carr is gd. Can anyone show me tape where he shutdown anyone. Ok he played against the guys that run short routes. I laugh at all of you that think Carr is that good. He is decent but not as gd as you guys portray him.
Chris Carr covered players like Braylon Edwards and Terrell Owens which are both not short route runners. When Carrr was covering Edwards in the week one game Edwards only had 1 reception for nine yards.Terrel Owens had 3 receptions for 52 yards. Chris Carr is a very versatile type cornerback where he can not only play outside but inside. I would say he is the best cornerback the ravens have when it comes to covering the inside and this why the ravens used him the in nickel at times while Josh Wilson and Ladarius Webb would play outside but at the same time Chris Carr did play outside as well
in not saying Chris Carr is a shutdown cornerback but I think some ravens fans need to give the guy the respect thats due. He was one of our best cornerbacks last year and for him to step up the way he did when Foxworth tore his acl and Fabian and Ladarius was still rehabbing is amazing to me
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
by jazz20 on Aug 24, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll admit
I hated Chris Carr for like the first year and a half he was here. He couldn’t cover anyone and was terrible on punt returns. But, he’s come a long way since then and has turned into a very solid player. I’m still glad he’ll be the 3rd or 4th guy though, I like Jimmy and Cary on the outside and Webb at nickel…great trio right there. Foxy will help when he’s fully healthy and Carr will help too, we have a deep secondary all around.
I was never sold on Carr
Then I suggest you read through this entire article and try to understand the stats. Yes, it is from the Steelers blog, but a very good post that tells you just how good Carr has been for us.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Chris Carr is very good cornerback and for him to step up the way he did last year is amazing because I know for sure alot of Ravens didn't expect him to play that good.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Carr is a very solid corner. I would much rather have Carr at his meager salary than Foxworth at his.
I preferred Wilson before FA began, but after seeing that the Ravens gave Carr half as much money as Washington gave Wilson, I’m pretty happy. It was absolutely the right move, and I’m sure Carr will earn his contract. I’m not so sure about Wilson or Foxworth.
What did Carr get then?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have looked everywhere to find out how much Chris Carr got and I cant find it.
I dont know how Evan found out but I would love to see where he got his information from
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
No, actually, you are wrong. Wilson was paid more… for a shorter contract.
Wilson’s contract: 3 years, $14.5 million, $6 million guaranteed, $4.8/year average
Carr’s contract: 4 years, $14 million, $3.8 million guaranteed, $3.5/year average
Miscalculated. Here’s the truth…
Wilson’s contract: 3 years, $13.5 million, $6 million guaranteed, $4.5/year average
Carr’s contract: 4 years, $14 million, $3.8 million guaranteed, $3.5/year average
Where did you find the numbers for Carr's contract?
I’m not doubting you, but I haven’t been able to find it anywhere.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 23, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool thanks
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Carr got alittle less than Wilson, just it was a 4 year deal.
Carr 4 year 14 million, 3.5 signing bonus
Wilson 3 year
(not 4) 13.5 million, 6 guaranteed
So Carr averages 3.5 a year, and Wilson 4.5 a year.
In comparison, Foxworth averages 7 a year (4 yr 28 million)
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 23, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If one of these young guys play great, enough to be a starter, are we gonna trade Quan.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 23, 2011 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yup and already some ravens fans are saying he not elite and he slow
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
He’s not fast…
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nope he doesnt have blazing speed but he super quick. Anquan Boldin may not have the speed like a torrey smith but he has beating some cornerbacks deep before actrally we saw that in last preaseason game but Joe Flacco over threw the pass
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
No, we are not going to trade Anquan. No chance at all. Can’t believe Ravens fans would even think about that option. Dumb dumb dumb.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Who said we should trade him because he’s slow.
by Raven_all_day on Aug 23, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think for the right price, any of our corners would be traded.
Except Jimmy Smith. That said, what’s the right price? If Foxworth proves he’s healthy and capable of playing to his previous abilities, do you all think maybe we trade Webb if we get a good offer? This is assuming Foxworth has no value due to the injury even if he’s healthy.
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Early Signs
For the pass-rush have been promising, plus Pagano is more aggressive (a la Rex Ryan) so he can generate pass-rush of we aren’t getting it from typical sources.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
oh boy
BREAKING: Hearing Baltimore Ravens very interested in LT Bryant McKinnie. We’ll see if a deal comes to fruition.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
It was on baltimoreravens.com twitter page check here http://twitter.com/#!/1WinningDrive
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I said on another post it’s a great idea if he is in shape and if Ozzie is serious about going after I would imagine he would be in shape or close to being in shape.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Agreed
I said the same thing in the Offense Linemen post I wrote, but if Ozzie thinks his in shape that good enough for me.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything Ladarius Webb would seem to be the one to be traded off and he may be traded to the giants.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
No way they trade Webb, Ozzie isn’t giving up on such a young, promising talent this early. Where do you get there hunches from man?
First Hardy and Brandon Jones, then Harewood as future LT, now Webb seems like the one most likely to be traded?
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
trust me I feel the same way but It could happen thats all Im saying.
If Cary Williams continue to impress, Chris Carr gets healthy(who we all know will probably play the nickel) Dominque Foxworth( who will probably start as the number one) and Jimmy Smith ( who we all know the coaches love) where does that leave Webb because mostly all these guys are in front of him right now.Jimmy Smith even got a chance to play with the number one defense and he was just coming off a injury from his hamstring; I didnt understand at the time how he jump over Ladarius Webb so fast on the depth chart but obviously the coaches must really like Smith or they was atleast experimenting to see how he would perform with the ones.
Webb hasnt been spectacular in preseason either and hasn’t shown that he has progress much from last year.So far Webb real value is his ability to play special teams as a punt returner and kick returner also he can be used effectively in a blitz and handle his own in coverage at times.
Webb does have the ability to be a great cornerback but right now Carr, Foxworth, Williams, and Smith are the better corner backs atleast thats what it seems like at this moment. If I was the giants general manager and I called up the ravens I would for sure try to see if I can get Ladarius Webb because its no way I want Foxworth( who wants a guy coming off a acl tear) Chris Carr( he just got re-signed by the ravens) Jimmy Smith( no way in the world) Chykie Brown( he hasn’t shown anything) and Cary Williams( thats very doubtful also since the ravens been preach how they want to get bigger at the cornerback position)
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Whatever you say jazzypoo, Webb ain’t going no where.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
dont be surprise if he does especailly if he doesnt show any signs of improvement and Cary Williams, Jimmy Smith, Chris Carr and Foxworth prove to be better than him
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
but at the same time he still good at punt returns which is one of his true values for the ravens
but maybe Torrey Smith could do that in his place is he does leave
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Foxworth hasn’t proved shit this entire offseason other than that he is not 100%. How you can put him ahead of Webb right now is beyond me. Carr had a pretty bad game against Philly and didn’t even play against KC, so how you can put him ahead of Webb right now is also beyond me.
The guy has improved each year he has been here and is only going to get better. I will be very surprised if he is traded, because it isn’t going to happen. You really need to give up on these “wait and see” theories you have.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I will promise you this
Webb is going nowhere. He has struggled on coverage this preseason at nickel…he has excelled on the outside and hasn’t played much nickel in his career, he will only get better. He is one of the most solid tacklers in the league at CB, can blitz very well, and, again, is only gonna get better. Webb has a bright future.
Foxworth hasn’t proved shit this entire offseason other than that he is not 100%. How you can put him ahead of Webb right now is beyond me. Carr had a pretty bad game against Philly and didn’t even play against KC, so how you can put him ahead of Webb right now is also beyond me.
Well Foxworth was seen to be practicing with the first team so obviously he has shown something to be there if not then why is he there? The Ravens coaches litterally put Jimmy Smith on the second team and promoted Foxworth back to the first team and left Ladarius Webb on the second team. If Webb actrally showed anything worth better than Foxworth or Jimmy Smith than he obviously would be on the first team.
You speak of Carr having a pretty bad game against philly but so did Webb and If im not mistaken wideout chad hall was having some success against webb more than once while Carr only got beat once to my knowledge.
The guy has improved each year he has been here and is only going to get better. I will be very surprised if he is traded, because it isn’t going to happen.
listen Malor im not saying its going to happen all I said that it could happen not that it will happen. I dont want to see webb gone but alot of crazy things have happen so far this year with players we thought that will still be here and are not .
You really need to give up on these "wait and see" theories you have.
My wait and see theories have come out fine. I mean I was the one saying Cary Williams, Pernell Mcphee, and Paul Krugar will step up in training camp and etc; So far I have came out correct because all three of those guys look like they will help this team greatly in the regular season.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Well Foxworth was seen to be practicing with the first team so obviously he has shown something to be there if not then why is he there?
Ozzie could be trying to up his trade value.
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Also I think all of our CB’s have had their time with the 1’s. I think they are giving all of them their fair shot to win the job.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Webb,Brown, Gorrer and other cornerbacks to my knowledge have not practice with the ones
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I’m talking about the top CB’s Carr, Jimmy, Cary, Foxworth and Webb. If Webb hasn’t than he’s been the starting nickel, which might as well be with the 1’s because of how much teams pass now.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Ok disregard that Webb did practice with the ones and played with them in the first preseason game but then after that he was put on the second team
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I thought so and since that is true I don’t think any of us know who is going to start considering our top 5 CB’s have all had their time there. I think they are just letting them all battle for the top spots.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
that could be true but at the same time it could be that the coaches think he that good so far for the first team
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
You could make that case for any of them though since they all have worked with the 1’s.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
yeah but Webb most likely only got his chance to practice on the first(meaning as the number two starter cornerback) was because Foxworth and Smith were limted due to injuries
but when they both got healthy enough to practice they both leap frog over Webb to the first team which lead to Webb to practice with the second team.The coaches probably did decided to allow all of their top cornerbacks to practice with the first team and Im not denying that it could be possible.
What I was getting at is if Foxworth, Smith, Carr,Williams continue become/prove to be better cornerbacks than Webb than where does that leave webb for his playing time other than punt returns unless the ravens decide to do the cornerback rotation again like last year?
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Foxworth can't cover a twin bed...
it’s time for us all to stop sweatin’ him. He got burned multiple times Thursday night. I’m tired of hearing about how good he is. Mark my words, if he starts against Pitt, he’ll be toast and could cost us the game.
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