Ravens Training Camp Update: Sunday
The Baltimore Ravens moved their Sunday practice session indoors under the threat of thunderstorms this afternoon and it was Baltimore Beatdown's first time inside the massive indoor playing field at One Winning Drive. A full field, with goalpost uprights hung from the ceiling on wires to eliminate the need for the single goalpost. There's a huge banner of the Lombardi Trophy at one end to remind the players at all times of their annual ultimate goal of winning another Super Bowl.
It's nice to see veteran linebacker Ray Lewis back at practice today after being excused for most of the past week for personal family reasons. The Ravens made a couple of moves regarding shoring up their offensive line, signing former New England Patriots offensive lineman Mark LeVoir and former Tennessee Titans center Jason Murphy, and releasing guards Colin Murphy and Kyle Calloway. More on these signings at BaltimoreRavens.com. LeVoir is getting a lot of reps at right tackle with Oniel Cousins inside at right guard with the second team offense.
In team drills, CB Cary Williams locks down Anquan Boldin, continuing to make a statement for a significantly increased role in 2011. As soon as that is written in my notes, undrafted rookie WR Rodney Bradley makes a great catch over Williams, leaving Cary visibly upset about being beaten.
Sam Koch is booming punts off of the ceiling of the indoor field, getting three balls stuck up in the netting among the air vents. A bunch of veterans, including Ed Reed, Chris Carr and Jarret Johnson are not practicing this afternoon. That leaves the first team cornerback tandem as Domonique Foxworth and Cary Williams, with Lardarius Webb and rookie Jimmy Smith making up the second team.
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Thanks for the Update
Any word on the status of Ray Lewis’ Aunt? I believe that was the reason that he was down in Florida was to see her.
Any thoughts on how LeVoir looked Bruce?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 21, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
Dominique on 1st team? I thought jimmy did pretty damn well against Bowe. Is pollard running with the ones?
by Purpleflock85 on Aug 21, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m guessing its out ofa necessity to get fox some first team reps for once.
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by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 7:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Bowe "schooled" J. Smith
and no way the Ravens throw him into the fire in game one vs. Steelers. NFW.
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by Bruce Raffel on Aug 22, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t perform great against him, but he certainly did not play bad either. Jimmy was right there with him, but Cassel threw some well placed balls and Bowe made some good catches. This was also basically Jimmy’s first game with a lot of action and I think he performed rather well going against a pro bowl WR. I would have no problem with Jimmy starting week one although if he is I’m hoping Cary is on the other side because he deserves it and is playing the best out of and CB right now.
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A good learning experience for Jimmy
I think that game showed him that being in the WR hip pocket isn’t enough in the NFL, he’s got to keep his eye on the ball here. In the throws when he was on Bowe and Cassel still found him the ball if Smith just looked back and saw the ball he would have been able to make plays both times IMHO. Give him some time to learn and grow and he’ll be locking people up in no time.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Smith and Williams have the ideal skill-set for outside corners. I’m sure they’d prefer to have Foxworth, but it looks like he may not be ready. I’d take Jimmy Smith at 100% over Foxworth at 75% any day. It all depends on how far Foxworth is in his recovery.
Also, I don’t think we should underestimate the change in scheme for the Ravens and how it effects what they look for in corners. DeCosta, Newsome, Harbaugh and Pagano have all talked about getting bigger and more physical at corner. That’s not just idle talk…. That’s an indication of the changes their making to their pass-coverage scheme.
They want corners that can play tight, physical coverage with receivers so the defense has more time to get at the quarterback… much like the defense we saw in 2006. You can say what you want about Smith versus Bowe, but most receivers won’t make the catches that Bowe made… and more importantly, most quarterbacks won’t even attempt those throws in a real game with that type of tight coverage.
Well said Hawk
I agree completely. Obviously a key objective this year is to get to the QB more consistently, and big physical CB’s will help us do that. I think we’re best off going into Week 1 with Jimmy & Cary as the starters, Carr at the nickel, Webb at the dime, and Foxworth rotating in when needed. Jimmy can only learn so much from the bench, and the kid has far too much potential to not have him out there.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 22, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
However I think the reason that they are mixing it up with Fox and Carr in the first time along with Williams and Smith is that all of them need to get comfortable in the first team offense and there are some WR in the NFL that are good and avoiding the press coverage and you need slightly smaller, quiver guys like Carr, Webb, and Fox to cover them (or to cover quick RBs out of the backfield like a McCoy to RIce).
Another thought too, if the coaches truly preach that performance effects who plays then they may have been rewarding Fox for his solid debut against KC as well as showing Jimmy that he needs to work harder if he wants to stay with the 1s.
Personally I like the thought of an even more motivated Jimmy Smith lol
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, I don’t think we should underestimate the change in scheme for the Ravens and how it effects what they look for in corners. DeCosta, Newsome, Harbaugh and Pagano have all talked about getting bigger and more physical at corner. That’s not just idle talk…. That’s an indication of the changes their making to their pass-coverage scheme.
Great point. Smith and Williams are really the only corners we have that are capable of playing press coverage well. If we don’t start the personnel to effect press coverage, we’ll be sacrificing some of Pagano’s overall scheme and, likely, some of the pass rushing aggressiveness that he’s promised.
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Also with this more aggressive style we will be playing a lot more press and man coverage which fits right into Jimmy’s skill set. He was drafted to be a physical CB who excels in man coverage. Our D plays directly into his strengths, so I don’t think there is as big of a learning curve as many think. I think it’s just getting used to the speed and size of the NFL, which he can’t do from not playing. Hopefully he gets some good reps in the next few weeks and if he does he will be ready week one.
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Bruce, I agree… And I’m glad it happened that way
by Evan Skev on Aug 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t see how Bruce can say there’s NFW Jimmy starts Week 1. I think there’s a strong possibility we see him out there. Is it a guarantee? Not at all. But the kid has too much talent to just be riding the bench.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is a Difference
Between “starting” and “seeing him out there”. I agree that we will see Jimmy Smith during Week #1. Heck, maybe even against P-burgh’s #1 or #2 WR’s at some points during the game. But I agree more with the statement that he will not start based upon what we have seen so far.
Do not get me wrong, Jimmy has the potential to have a very bright future with the Ravens. Maybe even McAlister-like and with out the bad attitude. But from what I have observed, Bruce is correct- no way he starts Week 1, unless there is an injury.
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From what I have seen, I am not comfortable starting Jimmy, yet. I would prefer a veteran, who’s been there, done that, to start against P-burgh WEEK ONE.
By week five or six or even three or four, Jimmy could have locked up the starting position.
Heck if Jimmiy plays lights out against the skins and Falcons, I could be persuaded.
BTW, that first game that McAlister played in and had a pick, did he start? I honestly do not recall and am not asking to be snarky -you have my curiosity piqued.
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I think it’s a stretch to say no way he starts. What has anybody done other than Cary to show they are that far ahead of Jimmy?
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Exactly. Foxworth says he knee doesn’t feel right, and that he still hasn’t gotten his “burst” back. Carr recently hurt his hamstring, and IMO is better suited as a nickel back. Webb got torched in the KC game, but did do pretty well when blitzing. That leaves Cary and Jimmy as our top two options IMO.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 22, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we were playing Week 1 against the Colts or Pats or Eagles
I could understand the hesitation to start Jimmy, but while the Steelers are a good offensive team they aren’t a juggernaught; most of their success against us has been Ben ad-libbing on us.
If we talking about a rookie starting against their defense I would agree with the hesitation, however on defense we need our guys to be physical and slow down the receivers so the pass rush can get Ben down on the field and using smaller, off-coverage guys hasn’t worked with great success in the past so why not use the press CBs we’ve been grooming in Williams and Smith?
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the team knows better than I but,..
I will be very disappointed if Fox is starting against the Steelers come week 1. I know Jimmy is still young but whatever he lacks in knowledge he makes up for by being physical at the line and his freakish athleticism down field.
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I think Foxworth deserves to start or atleast should be put in the starting category . Jimmy Smith may be physical and etc but knowledge is important to have thats what makes shutdown cornerback/good cornerback.
Its more than just being physical or being fast you have to used you brain besides what has Jimmy Smith done so far to make the coaches think that he for sure is going to start come week one;Its still a very open cornerback competition and so far the only cornerback I see that should for sure get a starting spot is Cary Williams because he has perform better than most of the corners in preseason and training camp so far.
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Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
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Maybe it just sags
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yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
if you want jimmy to gain that knowledge, you need to give him starting responsibility early on and force him to learn by immersion.
Plus, what have we seen from fox that would indicate that he can even perform at a starters level against Wallace?
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by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 7:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed. In some of the practice clips I wasn’t that impressed with Foxworth and with him saying that he still has some pain I don’t know that I trust him as the starter. Hopefully we keep Webb on Wallace since he did a good job on him last year. Then I think based on their WR’s it would look best if we put Jimmy or Cary on Ward, the other on Sanders (if he plays) and Carr on Brown. I think we got the CB’s to match up with them nicely. Obviously you can’t get those matchups everytime, but I think something similar would be a good matchup for us.
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"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
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… him saying that he still has some pain I don’t know that I trust him as the starter.
I’m very much on the Smith/Williams-as-starters bandwagon, but I believe Foxworth’s statements about pain in his knee have been blown out of proportion a little bit. In addition to admitting that he had pain in his knee, I believe he also said that he had talked to both Webb and Fabian Washington who told him that it was a normal part of the healing process. I’m not specifically worried about pain in his knee; I’m mostly worried about how he’s played so far, which may or may not be secondary to that knee pain.
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I still don’t like it though even if it’s a normal part of the process. Both Fabian and Webb clearly regressed last year and I don’t think Foxworth was that great even before the injury. I think he was a good CB, but nothing real special about him and I can’t imagine that he even comes back as the same player he was, at least not right off the bat.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I don’t think Foxworth is completely recovered yet. He didn’t have the Ravens’ trainers to help him during the offseason like Webb and Washington did, so that really hurt his recovery.
I expect him to make a full recovery, but rushing him into action would be a mistake and could cause a huge setback.
Agreed. He just doesn’t seem healthy yet and I think when we have a talented and deep group of CB’s that there is no need to rush him back into it.
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Wallace
I am looking forward to seeing Jimmy bum him all over the place and mess up the deep ball with Ben :-)
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I really wonder if we consider putting Webb on him again. Webb has been up and down, but performed very well against Wallace last year. It will be interesting to see who they decide to put on him. Webb has the speed and has shown he could stick with him while Jimmy or Cary have the physical side that could help prevent Wallace from getting up to speed as fast.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
True
But in more two WR sets would you take Smith or Williams off the field to keep Webb on him? I just know that a lot of small fast WRs struggle with press coverage and I feel pretty sure that Jimmy could stay with Wallace and his size would make it harder to get the deep ball over the top of him.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Their size is definitely an advantage, but Wallace is also extremely fast and it’s tough to find someone who can stick with him. If they don’t get a good jam on him then it’s a TD. I guess it will all come down to what type of CB they feel matches best with Wallace. The Speedy shiftier ones or the bigger physical ones.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Agreed
And that’s why they’re the coaches and we’re just the fans ;)
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
if you want jimmy to gain that knowledge, you need to give him starting responsibility early on and force him to learn by immersion.
I’m not saying i disagree with you but there has been recent first picks cornerbacks like Joe Haden that only saw time in the nickel and etc but eventually got better enough to be become a number one starter as the season progress. I’m not saying Jimmy Smith should not start but what has he done so far to give every body the idea that he should in week one game.
what have we seen from fox that would indicate that he can even perform at a starters level against Wallace?
I think the knee issues is being blown out of proportion because if Foxworth knee really was that bad then he probably would have been on pup. The guy is just having pain in his knee which was said to be expected but also it was reported that Foxworth has look fast/fluid so far in training camp.
Ladarius Webb did great against Mike Wallace and he was coming off acl injury as well besides Its not even a for sure thing that Mike Wallace would be covered by Foxworth or any other guy because the coaches may think Webb is best to cover Wallace
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Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I’m not saying Jimmy Smith should not start but what has he done so far to give every body the idea that he should in week one game.
Physically he is the most gifted of any CB on the team. Webb has been up and down, Carr has been battling a hamstring issue, Foxworth is coming off an ACL injury and watching his interview it seems like he even questions it a bit. Nothing bad about Cary I think he should be the other starter and I also agree that Webb could be the one to cover wallace.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Physically he is the most gifted of any CB on the team
Im sure Jimmy Smith is the most gifted of any cb on the team but what does his physically has to do with his coverage/technique. All I have seen from ravens fans and even from baltimoreravens.com that Jimmy Smith is physcal but never mention his coverage skils. Cary Williams is physical but at the same time his coverage skills are very good which why he constantly is deflecting passes and looking so good in training camp and preseason games.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Smith’s coverage skills are one of his strengths… he is known for shutting people down
yeah in college
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
jazzy jeff, some skills from college work immediately in the pros
one of those skills is the ability to take one WR and shadow him to make him ineffective… if you can cover top WR in college, you can cover in the pros
see what i mean?
jazzy jeff, some skills from college work immediately in the pros
one of those skills is the ability to take one WR and shadow him to make him ineffective… if you can cover top WR in college, you can cover in the pros
see what i mean?
can you name any recent first round pick corner backs who immediately became a shutdown corner back in there first year. Jimmy Smith has the talent/potentials and etc but you cant look at what he did in college expecting the same results in the pros right away.
last year first round cornerbacks like Joe Haden and Devin mccourty didnt start playing very good until later on in the season but even they weren’t shutdown cornerbacks
if you can cover top WR in college, you can cover in the pros
thats not true at all even Jimmy Smith said so him self wideouts in the pros are much different from those in college if it was that easy Smith would had probably said top wideouts in college arent much different from the ones in the pros
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Agreed. He was drafted solely on his ability to play man coverage. Also being physical is part of coverage. WR can’t do much if they can’t get into their routes. Last week he happened to go against one of the most physical WR’s in the NFL and that was a good test for him. He caught some passes, but Jimmy was right there everytime and they were some really nice throws and catches. I thought he played very well going against Bowe in what really was his first legitimate game time action.
On Ed Reed:
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"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
They Need Some
Work. He is rookie, what do you expect?
While good in press, his footwork gets a little askew when he gets tangled up with NFL receivers. Also as many people on here have noted, he needs to learn when to peek, when to turn his head, when to look for the ball, etc.
In other words, a typical rookie with a lot of potential who needs some work, especially when they start using live bullets.
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I think Smith is going to surprise you. He’s a superior athlete, and has the most fluid hips. With his size and length, QBs aren’t going to be throwing his way for too long.
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Quotes from Foxworth
blockquote>On how he’s feeling: "I’m getting better. Some days are… Well, through the course of a day, I have some plays where I feel great and some plays that I don’t feel so great. So, I’m trying to ease my way back in."
On whether he knew he was going to be on a pitch count: "Yeah, we talked about that before. I think they wanted to be smart. And, I tried to keep me on a pitch count, I guess, is the best way to describe it, early on in camp. I started out a little too overzealous, and it set me back a little bit. So, we’re trying to be a little smarter this time around."
On whether he feels he will be ready to start by Week 1: "They’ve done it with other players before. This is my first time with an ACL [injury], but it’s not our training staff’s first time and it’s not our coaches’ first time. So, I’m just going to trust in them, and whatever they think is right, I’m going to do."
He did say this, but the two previous quotes don’t lead me to believe he is completely confident and I don’t want that going into week one against our biggest rivel.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Has foxworth every been considered a shutdown corner? The fact that jimmy is a rookie shouldn’t prohibit him from starting. The only way jimmy can progress mentally is live game action. A half cripple foxworth is not better than a physically gifted jimmy who was slow to turn his head around on a few passes. He was literally on Bowe hip and even managed to deflect a few passes. That was enough evidence for me. 1st time starting,going up aganst a PRO BOWL VET. jimmy will be good. no reason we wait until fox gets burnt a few times and cost us a game because he is not 100% to put jimmy in.
My words are weapons
He was literally on Bowe hip and even managed to deflect a few passes. That was enough evidence for me
Jimmy Smith didnt deflect any passes in that game he had zero pass deflection if you dont beleive me go here please http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110819033
Has foxworth every been considered a shutdown corner?
Never said he was but he has been a good cornerback.
That was enough evidence for me. 1st time starting,going up aganst a PRO BOWL VET. jimmy will be good.
You do know that was the preseason and it wasnt like he shutdown Bowe either if anything Cary Williams did a better job covering then him. All I keep seeing is Jimmy Smith is physical but what about his covering skills? Its not about him being a rookie but what has he done so far to make any body say he definately needs to be a starter right away? If him being physical is the only answer that any body can give me then thats not good enough.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I am going on what I have heard from practice and seen in his breif time on the field.
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by lastcallbmore on Aug 22, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy actually did show pretty good coverage skills. yes Bowe caught some passes, but those were perfectly placed balls and some great catches, but he was right there with him the whole time. It was pre-season, but it was an individual matchup that Jimmy did pretty well in against a good WR. From the few clips I have seen of foxworth at practice I think Jimmy looks better than him. Not saying he is a lock to start, but I have been more impressed with Jimmy than Foxworth at this point.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Smith did deflect a pass and never got burnt
It won’t show up on the stat sheet because Bowe still made an amazing catch. If it takes amazing to beat him in his 1st year (hell hist 1st start) we are good. I’m not big on starting rookies but I think Smith is the truth.
by Georgia Raven on Aug 22, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have never seen any thing out of Foxworth to show he should start. Even when he was healthy.
Jimmy and Cary are the 2 best options on our roster IMHO. However, I could see Webb or Carr starting over Jimmy. Although I do not agree with this I could see it happening. I understand the mental part but what makes you think that Jimmy does not have it? Or, for that matter that Fox does?
Don't let my defense dictate your offense..
There is no question that
for th prssure-packed first game (Steelers) the starting CB’s need to be Foxworth and Carr they have the best experience and know the opponent’s WRs the best. Webb gets burned way too often although he should be the nickel back and J. Smith the dime. That cold and should change as the season progresses.
Carr was our best cover corner last year by FAR. No one was close. Webb regressed and Cary Williams was not inthe mix. both he and Jimmy need to be eased in and the Steelers game right off the ball is def not the way to start.
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Webb actually held Wallace last year as good as anybody. Webb still has work to do, but he has proven he can cover Wallace and I have no problem giving him the job again this year. Also Foxworth may have more experience, but I don’t know how good a guy coming off an ACL injury who still says he feels pain will do week one. Especially if you were to put him on Wallace. That just screams trouble
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Agreed
Except for the part about Cary, its not like he’s a rookie he’s been on the team during the last two seasons and he knows the Steelers as well and according to the coaches he’s been a really solid technicians this off-season which is what DBs need to have success against WRs in the NFL.
For the first game, if the coaches don’t think he’s ready, we should ease Smith in, but I see no real reason to not give Cary a shot (unless he falls apart over the next two preseason games or Carr/Webb/Fox just flat outplay him.)
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but…. I’m actually okay with the tackle situation right now.
Would I still like to have Gaither? Sure, but I think they’ve done a good enough job at replacing him. LeVoir doesn’t have much upside, but he is proven and versatile. He is good insurance in case Oher or Reid are injured. Also, Cousins at RG seems to have been a genius move. They took one of the worst players on the team and made him into a very capable backup. He can also play the role of emergency backup tackle.
Yeah I think the OT signing really helps and Reid also helped by performing the way he did last week. He had a very good game against the chiefs and this week should be another good test. I like the kid and either we go with LeVoir or Reid plays his way into the starting lineup which is a possibility.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Reid
Really impressed me last game, he is picking things up quickly and you could see his physical, nasty streak coming out when they were running the ball. I’m looking forward to seeing him seal off guys in the run game a la Ray Rice TD run :-)
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
True
I was just impressed with his physical gifts that he showed last game, add into that the improvement in technique he showed and I was quite happy with his develop thus far.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you want Gaither? It makes no sense
by Evan Skev on Aug 22, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh come on… bang it a little more.
how about one final gaither prediction… does he make the roster in KC or do they dump him? maybe keep him on IR all year and pay $700K for the chance at a compensatory pick? but what if the same thing happens next season and no one wants him? or do you think he will turn a new leaf and bust his ass to earn a living in the league?
He should be worth a good E60 story in a year or two.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not again please just let it go.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
This horse
is officially glue, let’s stop beating it before it makes a mess.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you remember that one time...
…we all debated about Gaither’s lack of work ethic? That was fun. We should do it again some time.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 22, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
at this point, no one has the sack to stand up and argue in favor of jared gaither at LT. he couldnt pass a physical in oakland and he cant finish a practice in kc…
on a more positive note, he will be a free agent soon and we can argue about bringing him back to baltimore on a mini-deal…
This whole gaither debate has become more redundant than two adjacent starbucks (which I have actually seen before)
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve actually heard a bit by Lewis Black going off about two Starbucks right next to each other, funny stuff.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 22, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And
I think he talks about a Starbucks being in the restroom of another Starbucks, and how creepy is that…
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"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Haha yeah “I have seen the nexus of the universe” or something like that he said
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 23, 2011 8:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fox is good
But I have never felt like he was the corner for us. He nor Car should be playing outside. They are good cover guys but too small to be physical. Physical corners fit our scheme better than straight cover corners. A solid jam will turn qb knock downs into sacks and will also allow the “Ball Hawk” more time to get over top and help. Webb is Nickel guy to me. Some of our best years in the defensive backfield came with Roll and McAlister getting physical with guys at the line.
by Georgia Raven on Aug 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
But I have never felt like he was the corner for us. He nor Car should be playing outside. They are good cover guys but too small to be physical.
I think this size situation is a little over rated because cornerbacks like Brent Grimes, Johnathan Joseph, Devin Mccourty, Darrelle Revis and etc are all shorter than 6’0 and are very physical. Chris Carr had 2 force fumbles for the ravens last year and you cant be a non physical cornerback with force fumbles. Last year I never say Chris Carr get out muscle by bigger wideouts matter of fact he handle big wideouts like Braylon Edwards and etc pretty good
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
offensive line
the addition of the new players can only help. Cant have enough offensive linemen.
BTW
Having 5 starting corners is a great problem to have.
by Georgia Raven on Aug 22, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
+1
Its quite the turnaround from last year where is seemed like we barely had one lol
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 22, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Its looking as if we are deep with 2 or more capable starters at every position on D this year. Our D is going to be a real problem.
by Georgia Raven on Aug 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions



















