Is Ravens' Michael Oher Really A Left Tackle?
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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PrintIn 2010, the Baltimore Ravens made it to the second level of the playoffs, only to fall to the Pittsburgh Steelers for the second time in three years. Many fans point to the secondary or lack of a pass rush as their main problem that led to their demise. Others say the lack of an offense, be it a less effective running game or the inability to throw the ball downfield. Still others put the blame on the offensive line, which did not open huge holes for Ray Rice to run through nor provide QB Joe Flacco the pass protection he needed to find his receivers, who at times were just not open.
The offensive line is anchored by the left tackle, a position which now only trails the quarterback in highest average salary in the NFL. Once an afterthought on most teams the left tackle usually protects a quarterback's blind side, unless as in Philadelphia Eagles QB Michael Vick, you are left-handed, at which point the right tackle assumes that responsibility.
Either way, this is where the offensive line's pass protection reputation is made or not. The center might call out the assignments on the o-line, but the left tackle already knows he has to block the opponent's best pass rusher every game, which is why his role is so important. On the Baltimore Ravens, that task now falls to 3rd year pro, Michael Oher. Oher moved from the right to left side in 2010 and had a rough go at it, to say the least. Giving up seven sacks along with being "credited" with 11 penalties, including eight false starts, frustrated so many fans that off-season sports-talk radio was flooded with calls for the team to find a "true" left tackle.
Most left tackle sin the NFL are tall, heavy and have long arms. Oher is average in height (6'4"), relatively light for a LT (316 pounds) but does not have the longer arms that so many other great left tackles have had in the past, notably former Ravens great Jonathan Ogden. Even former Ravens LT Jared Gaither had longer arms and more proto-typical size than Oher does.
According to a story in the Carroll County Times, Oher is a gym rat, always lifting to get stronger and has always been an athletic player with a mean nasty streak, which is a plus at the position. But is tat enough to protect Flacco's "blind side" now and into the future?
Many fans think not, but the public comments out of the team's leadership has never wavered from what they expected when they traded up in the first round of the 2009 NFL draft to grab the Ole Miss player whose life was chronicled in the award-winning movie, "The Blind Side."
Time will be the ultimate judge, and if Oher struggles in 2011 like he did last season, the team may think about looking elsewhere for their LT of the future. Right now, they still think that they drafted their next left tackle three years ago and will stand by their man. Hopefully, Ravens fans will as well, but it is all up to Oher to make sure that he deserves their praise rather than their criticism. We will certainly see right away, as the Ravens and Oher open up against the Pittsburgh Steelers and James Harrison, who is one of the best pass rushers in the business.
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I think its still to soon to not consider him our “LT of the future”. It takes time to switch from RT to LT, and although he struggled at times last year and in Philly last week, he still deserves the benefit of a doubt. Let’s see how he handles these next 3 preseason games. Besides, is there really any better option left in Free Agency? I imagine you’d have to sell the farm to squire a solid LT from another team.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
right
Too early to be alarmed Bruce. Did you expect him to dominate Trent Cole?
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by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
David Reed passed his physical and will come off the pup list
by Raven_all_day on Aug 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who knows
Either way he’s good when he’s on his knees.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But not nearly as motivated without Billick standing nearby…
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by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oher gave up a sack in limited playing time against the Iggles. Everyone is giving Carr a pass for being rusty. Where’s Oher’s pass?
The next article should be, Is Cris Carr actually an NFL caliber player?
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by El.Dude on Aug 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Carr didn’t suck it up all last year or have a movie made about him called Shutdown Corner.
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Then its our fault for over hyping Oher, not his fault.
I know you didn’t think that he wasn’t going to dominate Trent Cole.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then its our fault for over hyping Oher, not his fault.
I’m not sure where this is coming from. Whoever this “our” is didn’t make the movie. If by “our” you mean the Ravens, then that “our” actually started someone from the supplemental draft at left tackle over Oher in Oher’s rookie year. I really haven’t picked up on any abnormally high levels of hype from the front office or coaching staff about Oher on the left side beyond any normal coach speak you’d expect to hear.
I know you didn’t think that he wasn’t going to dominate Trent Cole.
Based on last year’s performance, not at all. And that was kind of my point.
I have faith that Oher will develop into a serviceable left tackle. I think that, because of his size and T-Rex arms, that he’ll always have a higher ceiling on the right side than the left, but I think his work ethic will eventually get him to an average level of performance on the Blind Side. The catch is that none of us know when that’s going to happen. Obviously, it hasn’t happened yet. Maybe he looked worse than he actually is against the Eagles because Grubbs was covering for Mattison and left Oher on an island; I don’t know. What I do know is that Filmstudy was down on Oher’s performance, and (no offense) I’ll take his word on line play over any person on the Beatdown.
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Oher is already above-average on the left… he doesn’t need to get there
Everyone is an expert and critic after one preseason game… when is the Pro Bowl for the guys who have great preseason games?
Oher is already above-average on the left…
You keep squawking about how you make inferences based upon fact. Where’s the fact to support the assertion that Oher is above average at left tackle? Nobody does better Ravens offensive line analysis than Filmstudy, and he hasn’t exactly been raving about Oher on the Blind Side.
Everyone is an expert and critic after one preseason game… when is the Pro Bowl for the guys who have great preseason games?
Oher sucked it up last year and in the first pre-season game. I’m on record as being hopeful that he’ll be serviceable as a left tackle in the future, so I’m not sure what your point here is, other than repeating the same point you’ve already stated several times.
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You should stop pretending that they’re perfect.
I’ve been watching and analyzing the Ravens for a long time, and the offensive line this season may be one of the biggest oversights I’ve ever seen them make. There are just so many unanswered questions. It’s rare for them to neglect one area so much.
Sure… It’s possible that the OL will magically come together, that we’ll find some good backups among the undrafted guys, that Jah Reid is this year’s Sebastian Vollmer, that Oher will make a quantum leap, that Birk and Mattison will be good at center and that they’ll all stay healthy.
Frankly, I think the FO overestimated their players and are now scrambling around trying to find lineman. No one’s saying that we know better, only that there’s a serious problem and they’re responsible for it.
Gaither is gone, buddy… stop pretending you know more than the FO
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It’s your fantasy… don’t let me interrupt it
I’m still waiting for someone to prove that the FO, having witnessed a very large sample of Gaithers work, went ahead and made the mistake of cutting the guy.
Maybe you’d like to be the one to support your assertion… impress me
We’re talking about Oher, not Gaither. You said that Oher was “above-average on the left.” Since you keep talking about how you make inferences based upon fact, I’d love to see the facts showing that Oher is above average as a left tackle.
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why are you internet mad, sire
not ideal size, great feet, and excellent attitude & work ethic
he isn’t top ten and he isn’t bottom ten after one season at LT.
your turn
not ideal size, great feet, and excellent attitude & work ethic
Take note! I completely agree with Evan Skev. Oher has much less than the ideal size that you’d like for a left tackle, including his stubby little arms. He has a lot of intangibles that I really hope help him develop into an average left tackle.
he isn’t top ten and he isn’t bottom ten after one season at LT.
I don’t know if Oher is a bottom-ten left tackle, but he definitely isn’t good enough yet to get us to the Super Bowl.
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Gaither was only brought up once and in reference to how we didn’t feel comfortable to start Oher on the left side that year.
Relax a little Evan, stop being so confrontational about everything. Have an opinion about stuff, but you don’t have to be a jerk about it.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i will take your advice if you take mine…
stop being so sensitive. this is men talking about football… not your mom & aunt watching food channel
stop being so sensitive. this is men talking about football…
You’re soooo manly, Evan Skev. Please teach us all how to unhealthily fixate upon Jared Gaither in such a manly fashion.
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It has nothing to do with being Manly. It has more to do with not being a douche at every turn. While this is talk about football, women, children, men and elderly can watch it. I’m not being sensitive, but we can have a conversation and debate without people getting overly pushy or annoying along the way.
So my point still stands, but I’ll say it a little more “manly” for you. Stop being an asshole all the time to anyone that doesn’t agree with you 100%.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how can you tell someone to be nice while calling them an asshole and a douche…ironic
stop being so sensitive… and tell your grandmother i said to gtfoh
how can you tell someone to be nice while calling them an asshole and a douche …
Because that person is being an asshole and a douche while the general feel of the forum is much nicer and more congenial?
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tell your grandmother i said to gtfoh
Dude, you are just straight up corny.
I have no problem calling you names man. You consistently call everyone out, then get your panties in a bunch when someone disagrees with you. You on a consistent basis are disliked by most people for your tactics and juvenile approach. Its one thing to disagree with people, its another to be a loser about it and try to cyber bully people like you’re some cool kid. Just because you aren’t on your high school football team and getting made fun of doesn’t mean you have to try and recreate that here on someone else.
Hence why I said to just chill out. I don’t want to not like you, but you do a solid job of stating your case against that. Lets just debate and talk on here and enjoy being fans of a successful team.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You consistently call everyone out, then get your panties in a bunch when someone disagrees with you.
But what does that have to do with Gaither?
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Absolutely nothing. That’s kinda the point. He calls people out for absolutely no reason and with nothing, then acts all tough with some superficial argument when everyone doesn’t immediately agree with him.
I’m just tired of seeing him on the boards doing this to everyone. Especially people that don’t have the strongest sense of self confidence on here. Its a typical bully situation because the kid gets bullied in school or can’t get laid or something silly. So he thinks its cool to do that to everyone else in a place that no one can get in his face about it. When in all reality, he just looks like a tool and in general brings down the quality of the site because he acts like a spoiled brat.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
“corny…asshole…douche…”
I’m typing to a high school student, aren’t I?
This is a football forum… it isn’t a crochet forum. If you don’t like what I offer, don’t respond to me. You don’t own anything here… you’re a guest like I am.
Nope, not a highschool student. Just trying to bring my vocabulary down to your level for you. Cause its pretty apparent that you don’t get the hint in any other way. I try being polite with you up front, I try being civil and you continue to badger on like some privileged brat that is used to getting their way on the internet and at home, but not so much in social situations. So you feel the need to be ignorant and rude towards people.
Exactly, and like a guest at a party, I won’t come in the door and start calling people out. I normally do leave you well enough alone and you usually come hunt me down to make some point that never gets made. That I can handle and I do so fairly well for my personality. But I dislike when you charge after people that typically won’t stick up for themselves. Maybe I’m a glutton for punishment in that regard, but I’m not a big fan of someone calling people out like that.
It is what it is, but I ask that you just be civil with people and stop being so confrontational about every little argument. Just be more chill and everything will go just fine.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re bringing your vocabulary down to my level after taking this argument from gaither and oher to asshole and douche… does that make sense to you because it doesn’t make sense to me
I don’t take what you say personally and I’m not sure why you went nuts today but you have no authority here and no option other than ignoring me. I’d ask you not to call me childish names but if you can’t control yourself, I understand
Hawk, you & I can talk again in a year or two… you staked your whole rep on Jared Gaither… I’m not confident that he’ll do right by you
you staked your whole rep on Jared Gaither
This question is for everyone else besides Evan…
Will I lose credibility in your eyes if Gaither doesn’t work out in KC?
Everyone, please respond.
Nah, it happens to everyone eventually. Even Ozzie misses occasionally.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No. You won’t. Although I think hell play well for part of aseason until his disk flares up again.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope that doesnt happen to the guy. He has such talent to be cut down by an injury like that being that young.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s 6’9" and has a thoracic disk injury. Just sayin…
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by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah its definitely going to lead to a shorter career than I’m sure he wanted. But I do feel bad for the guy on that. To go your entire life playing, then to have it flair up like that right when you get in the pro’s… that sucks.
Hopefully there are some exercises or something he can do to prolong his career as much as possible. A guy built like that only comes around so often. He really had the skill and ability to become the next JO.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you’ve been Gaither’s biggest supporter… you’ve said that you feel the Ravens FO made a huge mistake by not retaining his services.
You’re way out on a limb and it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks… it’s you against Oz now
Again, why be so confrontational about this? Why can’t you just simply say “I guess we’ll see in a few months if Gaither is on the Chiefs or not” and chalk it up to that?
Why do you insist on calling people out on their reputation like you have one?
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly couldn’t care any less. The only reason I raised that question was because I wanted to show him how ridiculous his statement was without me having to say it myself.
I think he knows how ridiculous most of his stuff is. He can make good points sometimes, but he also has a tendency to let his attitude and tone cause him problems
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 16, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever man. It has nothing to do with authority, but just being a decent human being. I didn’t really go nuts, just wanted to illustrate on how annoying it can be to have a conversation with someone like that so you now know how everyone else feels when they argue with you.
You do take arguments personal against people pretty fast. Between following someone around the forums to continuously troll them about their opinions, to being passive aggressive and then trying to talk about someone’s grandma (btw, that one was just bad man. At least make a Yo Momma joke). The fact is, you usually start these issues then want to back out when things start getting heated. My initial point was just to chill out and not let it even start with someone.
On this thread alone, you’ve been called out by 3 separate people for your actions and I know of other threads where its happened as well. So just relax and get the hint from everyone to chill out and to stop being so confrontational about everything…. OK?
Now are you old enough for me to buy you a beer?
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you are out of your mind
if you don’t like what I say, ignore me…. you’re nobody and half of the shit you say is nonsense… you can’t support your love for Gaither with reality so you stoop to flaming…
comedy.
Whatever kid. When the facts come out you disappear. So why would I try and ague with that when all you are going to do is flame everyone else?
Just to let you know Evan, I have an opinion on Gaither. I don’t recall anyone claiming to say any of this is fact except you. None of us know how Gaither is going to turn out. He could revive his career and be a Pro-Bowl player or he can ride off into the sunset. To say you know how he will turn out is just goofy. So again, relax little man, its nothing personal unless you make it personal.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Back in the Day
When there was a Ravens newsgroup on Usenet, I think there was someone similar who I believe went by the moniker “Andreas” -I wonder if they are one and the same…?
I realize that I am dating myself with “newsgroup”, “Usenet”, etc… I think Bruce is the only other one here who remembers the Internet pre-browser days…
if you don’t like it, don’t participate…
you may no agree with me but some people do… mind your own business and stop pretending this is mstevens.com… it isn’t
I’ve read the filmstudy piece on him and I’m aware he was below par last season.
By our fault for hyping him, the public in general (not you or I specifically) has bought into all of the media and holywood hype. Perhaps “our fault” is poorly worded, but the fans and local media have bought into and contributed to Oher’s hype.
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by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
… local media have bought into and contributed to Oher’s hype.
I’ll take your word for this, as I don’t live in Baltimore. Beyond that, I haven’t seen any credible sources hyping Oher as even an average left tackle.
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We do see a lot of media around here and in general, the team markets Oher as a major player on the team. In a similar light as someone like Ngata, JJ, etc. But its not really based on his talents per-se, but more based on his marketability due to the movie, his story and his draft status.
Point blank, at this point Oher has been an average LT, but an above average RT. We just don’t have a better option at LT right now, so we force Oher to be there.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Point blank, at this point Oher has been an average LT, but an above average RT. We just don’t have a better option at LT right now, so we force Oher to be there.
Do I have unreasonable expectations for performance at left tackle? Am I really the only one that doesn’t think that Oher has performed at an average level at that position up to this point?
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A little bit man. I think he’s been average, but the rest of the line makes him look bad. Most of the pressure from last year came from the other side. I would like to have him moved back to the right side and get someone else in here though. So I partially agree with you.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to have him moved back to the right side and get someone else in here though. So I partially agree with you.
Agreed. Barring that, I’m hoping that he can develop as a left tackle sooner rather than later.
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Yeah, I think we are all hoping. But given his performance last year and this past preseason game, he hasnt shown any improvement overall from what I’ve seen. We could certainly use him being above average soon.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So there’s 16 LTs in the league you’d rather have than Oher?
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That’s some good evidence. I’ll still put some blame on the lack of WR seperation, but damnit Oher, step up your game.
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It is real simple: Oher didn’t pass the sniff test last year at LT, regardless of how young he was/is, and so far, albeit limited, he has not done anything to change my mind.
Oher didn’t suck it up last year either. Sure he wasn’t a top 10 LT, but he wasn’t the worst LT either. Carr was pretty solid, but not spectacular.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Oher had been “pretty solid” last year, maybe Flacco wouldn’t have been second in the league in sacks.
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You’re absolutely right. But a lot of those sacks can be attributed to the right side of the line as well.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you saying that Oher didn’t suck as much as I think because the right side was even worse?
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Not at all. What I’m telling you is that Oher is not solely responsible for Joe being sacked as much as he was.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When you have Chester on your line, you never have to worry about being the worst pass blocker on the field. That doesn’t make Oher an average left tackle, though.
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Since when the FO is perfect all the time?
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Since when do a bunch of guys sitting behind a computer know how to evaluate talent better then people who get paid to do it professionally?
Ozzie has a plan, he always does.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Since when do a bunch of guys sitting behind a computer know how to evaluate talent better then people who get paid to do it professionally?
Never once have I said or act like I knew better than the people in front office if thats how you feel on the matter then I guess that means me, you, and others need to shut up with our opinons. no point in sharing a opinion since We Ravens fans dont know nothing Im I right or wrong
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I think you took what I said the wrong way Jazz. We’re all entitled to our opinion, no matter how radical some of them may be. I just think as fans its easy for us to sit back and day that we know what’s best for the team. This whole talk about Gaither is a perfect example. There’s obviously a lot going on behind the scenes that we don’t see that factored into Ozzie letting Gaither walk. But like Hawk some people assume that the FO screwed up, when what’s more likely the case is that professional talent evaluators deem a guy incapable of being a solid contributor.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
…or maybe they can contribute but simply may not he worth the hassle.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with that you saying but like you said we dont know what happen behind the scenes
A deal could have been offered to Gaither but he probably could have turned it down just like Mason, Greg, and Heap. Fo could have been worried about Gaither health and etc but right now we really dont know the truth.
If Gaither was so unhealthy like some are saying then I dont see how he would had been signed by the cheifs because he have to pass physical to be sign to a team atleast to my knowledge.
The Ravens could be fine with the o line players they have now and Im not super worried about it but it is still come concerns there but I guess we all have to wait until everything plays it self out.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
The Ravens didn’t offer a contract to Gaither… that says a lot
KC decided to take a chance… we don’t know what the terms of the contract are but it likely includes little or no guaranteed money. His rep precedes him
this happen months ago before the lockout
The Ravens and offensive tackle Jared Gaither are scheduled to discuss a new contract Wednesday, NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora reported.
Despite missing the entire 2010 season with a back injury, La Canfora says the Ravens would like to retain the potential free agent.
The feelings seem to be mutual
this is just for those that though the ravens werent interester or thought gaither was in the dog house this what the Head Coach have to say:
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I’m not giving up on Jared Gaither," Head Coach John Harbaugh said at the Ravens’ season-ending presser. "I’ve got high hopes for Jared Gaither.
"We’ll just have to see because his contract issue is out there, too. Hopefully, he can fulfill all of the things he’s trying to fulfill in his career, because he wants to be a great player."
I dont know why Gaither wasnt signed and maybe his agent didnt like the offer that was given to Gaither so the two sides werent able to come in to agree ment but you cant say the front office didnt try to have contract talks with Gaither because it clearly stated above that they did
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Jazz, that’s secondhand info from a sports reporter and coach talk from a HC… it means very little
the facts are that Gaither wasn’t welcome back to Baltimore.
But then why release any statement at all about him? Why not go the McCallister route and just get him outta here? We kept our options open because we knew we needed someone.
Maybe the team felt they could get by with Reid and Oher or some other combination and decided to let him go elsewhere. He was a headache, but one I think we all agree would have been worth the vet minimum right now.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Its possible, even likely to me, that Harbaugh said one thing and Ozzie did another. Harbs doesn’t want to throw a player under the bus publicly, but it doesn’t restrict Ozzies decision making in any way
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True, but wouldnt it be nice to have Gaither in here for vet minimum right now? After Oakland shut him down, I would have liked to see him come in for a physical at the least. Its not like we don’t need the help on the line.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you have a lot of nerve with your name-calling ane BS…
the Ravens org isn’t nearly as sweet on Gaither as you and Hawk are… he is lucky Haley gave him a chance to play.
no one else did.
Haha, this is getting comical now man. The same thing I said you do, you are doing again. Couldn’t even hold out for a day before you start up again…..
KC and Oakland and we had interest in him. We’ll see shortly if he’s starting or not. If he starts for KC, you lose bro.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
how was he not welcome back when they clearly had contract talks on
like the information stated can you read evan
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
excuse me Hawk I really got out of line I almost for got Ozzie is perfect
in every way and he never makes mistakes man whats wrong with me lol
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
where is the proof that ozzie didnt make mistake on Gaither?
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Which Mistake
Of Ozzie’s are you referring to: the mistake Ozzie made in drafting Gaither in the Supplemental draft or the mistake of letting him go elsewhere?
I have gone to this well many times, but it is a glorious well: “Truly, you have a dizzying intellect”.
The FO sure likes Oher at LT… but what the hell do they know?
The front office sure has a lot invested in Oher, but what the hell do they know?
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You may not love Oher but the people who run the Ravens sure do
Gaither is gone and I’ll bet you a dozen jumbo steamed crabs that he earns negative press from the KC media. Stay tuned…
You may not love Oher but the people who run the Ravens sure do
I think you’re confusing monetary and roster investment for emotional attachment. I’m sure they have high hopes for him, but, if any of us can look at game footage and see him getting his ass handed to him, you better believe that the front office can see it as well.
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If Oher had been "pretty solid" last year, maybe Flacco wouldn’t have been second in the league in sacks.
I think those sacks can be blamed on an overall weak OL, and our slow ass WRs getting no seperation. Flacco didn’t have the option of just throwing up 50-50 balls because we had no high pointers. He was destined to take a lot of sacks, or throw a lot of INTs.
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lol wow Amp
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Will Jimmy Smith’s groin EVER heal? Will Tyrod Taylor EVER be a decent backup?
We could sound all kinds of alarms but we don’t because this isn’t the first time we’ve watched preseason football… right?
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jimmy’s groin is fucked
Tyrod is better suited for Arena football
Oher is a moron who only went to Ole Miss because Sandra Bullock told him to
With the 1st overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Baltimore Ravens select Andrew Luck
The sky is falling, the sky is falling
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Jared Gaither is coming to Baltimore...
we can get a good look at him.
Maybe you guys want Bryant “Buffet” McKinnie also… just hide your kids so he doesn’t eat them
Gaither won’t be playing for a while is my guess.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
whats this?
He’s out of KC already?
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, but have they cleared him to play?
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
He is playing with the 2nd team… getting ready to join the first team. Haley has high hopes for him.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/14/3076777/chiefs-coach-haley-not-changing.html
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/15/2363822/jared-gaither-left-tackle-chiefs
Gaither is “sitting in driver’s seat…” again.
Damn simultaneous post
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No idea, I haven’t been following the Gaither saga very closely. But I thought by skev’s post he meant that Gaither was done at KC already.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they’re giving him a chance… does anyone know the contract terms? guaranteed money?
KC is my pick to flop this season…
Definitely
They had a cakewalk a schedule last year and the rest of their division seems to have improved some. They may be the epitome of a one-hit-wonder, a la Bengals a few years ago.
A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!
by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In a brief exchange with them on the Arrowhead Pride blog I was told that they risked next to nothing by signing him, but I can’t confirm that or offer you any details,
My guess is that piolo gave him vet min. He flunked a physical and his team didn’t make him an offer. The market for him was zero.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im sure Micheal Oher will turn out to be a good left tackle or he might return to the right side
but either way I still think he will be a great player. I kinda wish Jared Gaither was back but hopefull Jah Reid turns out to be a solid right tackle right now than later because the ravens needed unless Ramon Harewood steps up
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
just stop evan
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Gaither is gone for a reason, along with Leron. Time to move on…
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Aug 15, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's gone for the same reason we let James Harrison go
Or the Steelers let John Unitas go. FO do sometimes fuck up guys.
No, dumbass…Gaither has no idea what it’s like to be a professional. Look how long it took him to find a new team. Nice try AGAIN at attacking the franchise, troll.
Harrison and Gaither are only similar in that they’re both knuckleheads. Harrison was retiring to become a vet a few years ago… he didn’t take his career seriously. Let’s see if Gaither starts taking his career seriously… I’ll take any Gaither-lovers bet…
Front offices certainly make mistakes but does anyone believe that the Ravens made a mistake on a player that was on the team for 3 years?
Let’s hear from the Gaitherlovers
Harrison and Gaither are only similar in that they’re both knuckleheads.
I’ll agree with that. Gaither filled in for a retired Ogden in his second year in the league while Harrison took years to work his way into a starting lineup.
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He Josh, calm it down buddy. His point is valid. Sometimes FO’s screw up. Lord knows we’ve done it before with players like Boller, Clayton, etc
Gaither has no idea what it’s like to be a professional
Neither did Harrison until he shut his mouth and played up to his potential. A lot of these players aren’t professionals. They are kids that have excelled at a sport for their entire lives and have been privileged along the way. Given full scholarships, in some cases given good grades, gotten women, been invited to all the parties. For a lot of these kids, they have difficulty adjusting to a life where people will pay you big money, but expect big results from you that you can’t just replicate because you’re a gifted athlete.
There are always the Ray Lewis’s out there that bust their ass because they arent a prototype player and they make it work for them. But someone like Gaither came out of the womb built to play tackle in the NFL and he’s just used to being able to be a star with no training or discipline.
So calm down on bashing people Joshua. Relax a little, not everyone is a troll because they don’t agree with you.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Mstev,
here’s where you went wrong:
shadow is a troll.
boller was billick’s boy
clayton is still in the league and producing
harrison is the exception… read his history
apologizing for privileged athletes doesn’t work because they’re all privileged
Gaither got kicked out of college and fired from his job… Stay tuned for the KC debacle if you need more evidence that he doesn’t have the head for pro ball
and
Ray Lewis is the best in the biz.
Your head is going to explode if Gaither ever becomes a good player for KC… which I’m afraid he will.
good doesn’t cut it… if he makes pro bowls I will eat my hat and put your photo in my sig
I love the idea of a healthy, motivated 6’9’’ 340# LT… I dislike the reality of a lazy headcase looking for a big payday without wanting to put in 100% of the work necessary to get it
So… Now you’re admitting that Gaither has the potential to be a good LT?
What happened to the “he’ll never play again” rhetoric?
Furthermore, couldn’t the Ravens really use a “good” tackle right now? So… Isn’t letting a “good” tackle leave in free agency, for the veteran minimum no less, a bad idea?
There are holes in your logic.
I think he’ll do exactly what he’s done since he was a freshman in college
but you’re welcome to interpret what I write in any manner that is convenient for you
You’re impossible to have an intelligent argument with.
You don’t stick to the points and throw around unrelated, straw-man arguments.
You’re the one constantly bringing up Gaither. Stop acting like we’re the ones being ridiculous.
by BAL_Hawk on Aug 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that’s comedy… you’re going out on a limb claiming to know more than the GM of a professional football team…
comedy.
hey I feel the same way about you
your entire argument about gaither is based on what he did yesterday and goes against everything that is known about him. gaither is not an unknown quantity. he isn’t some guy who came into camp and didn’t get a chance. he is a player who has always had issues… issues that you never address. instead of making a decision on him based on facts, you base your decision on emotions. you love what he did for us when he played LT. I get that… but you have to open your eyes and pay attention to his entire body of work, going back to his college days. I wouldn’t have a problem if you said you wish we could have the 2008 Gaither back… but to go on and on and on and on about how you’re smarter and more informed than Ozzie Newsome is comedy. You know as much as I do about Jared Gaither… you just choose to ignore the things that don’t support your conclusion.
I have enough respect for you to not call you stupid or say you’re incapable of being intelligent. You can sit at home or in the office and blather on and on about how great Gaither is and how his injury hindered his ability to perform and I’ll never agree with that. I see a man who has never had a passion for football and never will. Your fanboys can come online and support you with laughs for your arguments but that doesn’t sway me either. I don’t respect that type of behavior…
So Gaither is gone… and according to you he is going to excel in KC but according to me he is going to do more of what he did at UMCP and in Baltimore.
Who is right? It won’t take long to find out and for apologies or excuses to flow… remember that
he is a player who has always had issues… issues that you never address.
I have addressed his issues many times actually. I’ve said that not every player can be a boyscout. I understand that he’s had work ethic issues and that not showing up for OTA’s last year really pissed off Harbaugh.
I just think that teams should work with their best players. Not every player is going to be like Ray Lewis and live for football. For some of them it’s just a job, and that should be okay if they’re performance on the field doesn’t suffer.
Here’s what people forget… Gaither started several games for JO in 2007 and played very well. The team didn’t draft an heir-apparent to JO after he retired because they believed in Gaither.
Gaither played two seasons, not one, at an elite, not just good, level at one of the toughest positions in football. How lazy can you really be and still accomplish that?
Here’s where I have a problem… If the Ravens were overflowing with talent on the offensive line then I could understand them playing hardball with Gaither. Unfortunately, they are in serious trouble at tackle and along the whole line. Just about everyone can see that now.
That being the case, I cannot understand their ultra-hardline, idealistic stance with Gaither. Many of the wiser members on this blog have pointed out that their must be issues that we are not aware of… but what if there aren’t?
It seems to me that hoping that the FO has a “greater purpose” when the entire offenive line is in shambles is a bit naive. Ozzie is a great GM, but he is certainly capable of human error.
Why don’t you listen to the wiser members? You obviously respect them…
The Gaither you want back is a myth… I’m telling you. He isn’t going to suddenly change and become a professional athlete.
Further…and remember this because I think you’re pretty young. Shit gets exponentially harder as a man ages. What was second nature for Gaither a few years ago will now take a lot of hard work to produce. Ask me why I’m so confident that the FO made the right decision instead of pandering to your buddy with the nasty mouth and the groundless love affair with a guy who doesn’t love us back.
The Gaither you want back is a myth… I’m telling you. He isn’t going to suddenly change and become a professional athlete.
He was an excellent, exceptional “professional athlete” for the Ravens. He’d actually need to “suddenly change” in order become something else.
His history with the Ravens is actually very good if you take out last off-season, which has been greatly overblown in my opinion.
I don’t think it’s crazy to think he could be the same player we saw for 2-1/2 years. I think it’s narrow-minded to believe that one off-season could/should forever define a player.
train wrecks don’t start out off-track… and nothing comes easy except to fools & babies
friendly wager about gaither’s future in the league?
train wrecks don’t start out off-track… and nothing comes easy except to fools & babies
What?
friendly wager about gaither’s future in the league?
No thanks… Taking your money would be too easy, and since I’m not a baby, that would make me a fool apparently.
yeah I agree with Hawk you a Straw Man lol
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
by jazz20 on Aug 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re impossible to have an intelligent argument with.
+1
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State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
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Gaither still got kicked out of CP… still got fired from Baltimore… still didn’t pass a physical in Oakland… and still has the same work ethic and attitude he’s had forever.
+1
still got fired from Baltimore
how did he get fired when he contract just went up he never got released from the ravens.
and still has the same work ethic and attitude he’s had forever.
yeah you really know Gaither to say that because the only way for you to know that personally is unless you was there when Gaither trained and talk to him constantly. Are you sure you not Gaither Father?
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Not even offering a guy the vet minimum equals getting fired.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gaither, I am your father.
Jazz, what part of this do you not understand:
An elite LT got kicked out of college and then kicked out of his job. Did he get kicked out because he is so elite and our FO is so inept? If he got kicked out of Buffalo or Cinci, I wouldn’t disagree with you.
An elite LT got kicked out of college and then kicked out of his job
What ever Gaither did like five years in colleg is his business but people can change. It seems people always try to bring the negative about some one and its even worst when it happen like five years ago. Gaither wasnt consider to be elite left tackle when he got kicked out of college and he didnt get kicked out of job either
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I think its ashame to constantly bring up negaitve actions about some one when it happen five years ago who are you to judge some one it not like you perfect at all.
You cant even back up your opinions on the guy with factual sources unless you telling me you are the source of thee source
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
you may think it’s a shame but it’s called a track record and everyone is judged on their
track record
So what do you think of a player like Jimmy Smith then?
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re comparing Jared Gaither and Jimmy Smith? It’s a step up from flaming but you don’t deserve a response
Why, you know where I’m going with this?
Track record my man. Track record. By your own argument, we shouldnt have drafted Jimmy Smith. So enjoy sticking with that one.
You see, an argument like that has to apply across everyone. That means Smith, Kindle, etc. are all busts because of stuff they did in College. There is absolutely no way they can change themselves or their perception at all.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you right evan :)
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
uhuh you not saying nothing but you right Evan aka mr. Im always right even when Im wrong
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
you the truth E Dog !!!
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I dislike the reality of a lazy headcase looking for a big payday without wanting to put in 100% of the work necessary to get it
Where does his thoracic tear play into your version of reality?
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
I dislike the reality of a lazy headcase looking for a big payday without wanting to put in 100% of the work necessary to get it
So him getting around vet minimum isnt cool for you? The fact that he lost a crap load of weight per our instructions is being lazy?
Granted, he lost that weight without putting on muscle, but you don’t lose weight as a OL by sitting on your ass for an offseason. He just didn’t work smart, but he did work for it.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember reading he lost weight because he doctor had told him to, to try and let his back heal as it had been made worse due to the injury he had sustained.
A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!
by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, from what I remember, it was that or his doctor told him to. But I could have sworn it was the team asked him to lose weight so it didnt put a strain on his back.
But then he went off and did it on his own and never consulted with the team about the best way to do that and stay football ready. He then injured himself and found himself right in Harbaugh’s “doghouse” which is shaping up to be a talented doghouse.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s from a while ago. Unfortunately, I don’t have a bookmark folder specifically for facts I need to show you. So no, I don’t have a link for you, but googling things has to be fairly simple, right?
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t find anything that says the team asked Gaither to lose weight. Stick to the facts please… it helps
It is a fact. Just didnt have a link at hand and I didnt really feel like searching for it either.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you have zero cred with me… you cloud things with fiction and then resort to tantrums and name-calling when things don’t go your way
if you can’t find it somewhere on the net, you made it up. period.
relax! I don’t cloud things up with fiction. I regularly post evidence when needed. If I can’t find it or can’t recall directly, I’ll say “I think” or something along those lines.
And don’t always trust everything on the net kid. There are sites out there that will say anything.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have read multiple times that the team was unhappy that Gaither lost weight without informing them. Similarly, I don’t have these links because I’m on a mobile device, but I recall both JW and the Sun stating that.
Skev is right about gaither even if he’s being a jerk about it. Gaither may turn in a decent performance temporarily in KC but the combination of his injury and work ethic puts him in the twilight of his career IMO.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
relax
Men talking football right? I won’t take it personally.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im pretty sure they were upset but at the same time its not like the guy came into camp over weight.
Gaither said so him that he lost the weight so it wouldnt be too much pressure on his feet which was clearly bothering him alot
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Jackmca, from what I remember about it, it was more of the team being angry because he didnt show up for offseason workouts and get any muscle put on him.
He lost a lot of weight, but had nothing to reinforce the back injury. When you don’t show up for offseason workouts 2 years in a row and then go down with an injury, the team is going to be pissed about it.
I do think his injury will hurt his career overall, but I don’t necessarily buy the whole work ethic thing. He obviously worked to lose that weight, but I think he did it foolishly and childishly because of a contract dispute and having competition for his job with Oher. But the guy did work.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean by “reinforce the back injury?”
you don’t have to believe he has a terrible work ethic… you don’t sign checks.
I mean that around injuries, doctors will ask that you strengthen those muscles surrounding whatever is deficient. After having a knee injury of my own, I was asked to strengthen the muscles around it so that it can help carry the burden of that injured part. Its a fairly common practice with injuries that will never fully heal like that.
So in Gaither’s case, he lost a lot of weight, but didn’t gain any muscle mass to help his back at all. Had he come and trained with the team, they would have told him that and put him on a plan to lose weight appropriately while retaining or gaining muscle mass.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
OK whatever Evan. Seeing as how I’ve been through a knee injury that puts football players off their careers. Plus having seen some of the best doctors within our area and having them explain this to me, I have to imagine I’m not just making that one up and its fact. But I guess I don’t have that doctorate like you do.
Again, its fairly common knowledge on dealing with an injury in any joint or the back. Strengthening the muscles around it will help the injury by taking stress off of it and loading more of it on the muscles.
But if you choose to not believe me, thats up to you. Though you are more than welcome to ask your gym teacher when you get back in school. Just putting the knowledge out there for you to better understand the situation
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the link that I was thinking of where I read about the doctor telling Gaither to lose the weight
The writer is on forum site and provides links that back up the quotes he provides about Gaither’s injury and the way that the media offered him up as a “problem child” to create a story.
Its an interesting read so please take the time, it gives a different spin on how the mainstream view of the “Gaither Problme” is told.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn't link the first time...sorry
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=301735
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the link
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=301735
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops
Sorry for the double post, I thought I’d posted in but all the replies made it hard for me to find it again.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Players can lose weight or what ever with there body if they think it will help them to better next season.
Here was Gaither said about his weight lost
Jared Gaither finally cleared the air on why he had missed 2½ days of practice earlier in the week, and the offensive tackle chalked it up to nothing more than overworking a body that is getting accustomed to the rigors of training camp.
"I had a couple cramps," he said after Tuesday’s morning session. "I dropped a couple pounds over the summer just preparing for a great season. I lost a little bit more than I was anticipating and cramped up a little bit my first time out there. I’m back now, and I’m fine."
also this as well:
Gaither also discussed his weight loss, which has emerged as an issue. The noticeably slimmer Gaither had said that he dropped the weight to alleviate any undue stress on foot and toe injuries that had plagued him last season.
if you want more infor please click here
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
OK, let me argue against your points
shadow is a troll
He’s a person with an argument. People may not agree with him, but he’s a ravens fan and entitled to whatever ideas he wants to have. Trolling implies that he is on here just to annoy people with his comments. Having talked to him, I don’t think that is the case, but that he legitimately feels that way. Since he doesnt come back and continue arguing with you about his opinion, I’d say that he isnt a troll.
boller was billick’s boy
So Ozzie was on vacation for that draft? Ozzie has just as much at fault for any bad pick as any coach does.
clayton is still in the league and producing
Really, I havent seen him sign anywhere after his injury. Plus we clearly fired him in the middle of a season. Its actually a better version of your own argument against Gaither.
harrison is the exception… read his history
Never said he wasn’t. But how happy would you be if we had him here and not given up on him?
apologizing for privileged athletes doesn’t work because they’re all privileged
Gaither got kicked out of college and fired from his job… Stay tuned for the KC debacle if you need more evidence that he doesn’t have the head for pro ball
So youre right until we prove you wrong? He was brought in to be evaluated. Given his injury past and a physical which they put him through hell to see if he warranted a long term deal, they didnt sign him. But our former QB coach thought enough of the guy to agree to terms for a long term deal with the guy based on his talent level alone. Then he goes to the Chiefs with a solid coaching staff and GM, so its no coincidence and he certainly isnt a bum.
Ray Lewis is the best in the biz.
Not arguing with that, but he is certainly an exception for when he was drafted. He was undersized for a MLB, but had speed, which was the complete opposite of what the NFL had standards for. That was a gamble, but it paid off.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
once again…
shadow is not a person with an argument… he’s a troll
boller was billick’s boy… research it and get back to us
clayton has had a decent career… and he became bradford’s boy in STL last season
harrison is the exception to the rule…and an embarrassmment to his team and city
what long-term deal did Jackson offer Gaither? link please
So your argument back to me is the same you have for every argument…. “Nuh uh, you’re wrong.” You love this “link” crap, but you never ever back up your own arguments with any reasoning or facts.
So get outta here with that.
clayton has had a decent career… and he became bradford’s boy in STL last season
Yep, he became so much of his boy, they brought him back….. oh wait, they didn’t. They actually went out of their way to sign other people in front of Clayton. Clayton has only had a decent career because of our inability to find decent WRs in the draft or FA before or after him. We got rid of him because of his inability to capture the #1 or #2 spot on our team. Not really what you want out of a 1st round guy.
Also to make this point again, Gaither had a good career until he got injured too. He was a premiere LT, but he had an injury and subsequent contract dispute that cost him his job here.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, your argument can’t go both ways. Clayton was an underachiever by the definition of being a 1st round draft pick and not being able to stay a starter. Gaither was a supplimental draft pick and lived beyond any expectation in being a starter and one of the top LTs in the league when healthy.
I’d have to say that for a LT, a back and foot injury are career threatening even more than an ACL injury for a WR. Clayton has drawn 0 interest from anyone from the nearest I can tell, so that right there speaks volumes to how the league feels about each player. Gaither may not have much value with his injuries, but Clayton has no value anywhere.
Again, you haven’t given Gaither a chance to prove himself when healthy. He’ll do just fine in KC and be amazing if he can stay fit and healthy.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like what Harbaugh said about Oher… back when they thought Gaither would still be a RFA.
I don’t think [Oher] has the ideal size to be a left tackle, but he has quick enough feet and a great punch to be one. He can definitely play that position in the future.
I tend to agree with that. I think most of Oher’s struggles have been because of his lack of size and length. Unlike a guy like Gaither, who’s a natural LT, the transition to the NFL can be very difficult. Like Harbaugh said, Oher’s saving grace has been his quick feet.
In order to play LT early, his lack of size requires him to immediately become a good technician, something which he’s clearly struggled to do. Guys who are naturally built for the position, like Long, Thomas and Gaither, won’t have this problem and can fudge it early on. I think Oher could be a very good LT, but it just sucks struggling at both tackle positions right now. I would even argue that it’s foolish.
by BAL_Hawk on Aug 15, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Oher could be a very good LT …
This is the only part of your post with which I disagree. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I think Oher tops out as an average left tackle. We can succeed with an average left tackle; here’s hoping Oher arrives sooner rather than later.
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The bottom line is that we’ve only seen one season from him at the position. It was like a rookie season all over again. Too early to say one way or the other.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That’s not entirely true. Oher played left tackle for something like five games during his rookie season. According to Filmstudy, “PFF has his overall season at +4.5, but that works out as +13.6 in 13 games at RT and -9.1 in 5 games at LT.” We’ve seen Oher play LT during both the 2009 and 2010 seasons, and his performance in both seasons has been lacking.
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That and it’s his college position. Its not like he’s never lined up on that side and has no idea what to do.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure but his time in learning the pro game at the position isn’t too long yet
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very true. But I don’t think its like his rookie season. He should be making noticeable strides forward in his game if its just a matter of mental or technique. I’m sure we’ll have a better idea of where he is at by the end of preseason though.
I would like to get another 1 or 2 OL that can float around to some positions and play OK. We have very little depth right now, so if someone goes down, we are screwed big time. Plus if we can get another starting caliber guy, that would help.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is hope for him and here’s why I think so… When I watched him in practice recently, he would often dominate Suggs, Johnson or whomever when he used good footwork/technique. In my opinion, the problems with Oher are his mental mistakes and (at times) sloppy technique. When he uses good technique and doesn’t make mental errors, he’s a dominant player.
I don’t think there can be any question to whether he’s actually capable because he’s shown great ability in brief flashes. The only question is whether or not he can refine his technique and cut down on the mental mistakes.
by BAL_Hawk on Aug 15, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think there can be any question to whether he’s actually capable because he’s shown great ability in brief flashes.
I completely agree. However, I think his size will ultimately limit his ceiling at left tackle. There have been some left tackles that have excelled despite their physical attributes; I hope that Oher ends up being one of those players, but I’m not entirely optimistic.
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For What It's Worth
“There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear”
Oher’s college position was LT. I do not believe he has shown me, yet, that he has “it” to transition to LT at the pro level. I believe he can be a great NFL RT, and a below average NFL LT. And until he proves me otherwise, this is wait I am stating publicly.
..and the song I quoted from is more apt than I initially realized…
The more I’ve read and watched him play the more and more I am starting to think that that is his biggest problem. Oher has always struck as a fairly intelligent person and it looked like at times he was over thinking himself and trying to remember too many things at once.
I’m sure we have all had experiences where we knew that people were counting on us to accomplish a task and then something starts to go wrong and it seems no matter what you try it doesn’t make it better; then you start over thinking things as you try and correct your mistakes.
If Oher can settle down and trust his technique more I think he can live up to his potential that we see from time to time when he’s really on his game.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that given his physical traits, he won’t be an above average pass blocker. I can see him being an amazing run blocker though because he has a mean streak and he likes getting physical. His arms are just too short to keep guys out of Joe’s reach.
I certainly hope Oher pans out to be the stud we all want him to be. Bu I’d like to think that if we find a talent that can play LT, we’ll slide Oher over, regardless of his draft status. We’ve had some issues with that in the past.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of them are us :) But seriously, I’ll take you out for a drink sometime man. No hard feelings bro.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I forgot that was coming up. When is it again, I’d love to see that up close?
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh nice! Wow that is a little later than I would have figured it would be. I might have to come on down into the city and get a day in there to look at everything. That should be pretty cool to see.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lets all buy Jared Gaither a drink.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
I’m for that! I’d love to sit and talk to the big man and maybe get some inside information on what happened. Could be interesting.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 15, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
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