Don't Read Too Much In Ravens Loss To Eagles
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 12, 2011 7:01 AM EDT
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There could be a lot of reasons to be upset about the Baltimore Ravens 13-6 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in the pre-season opener for both teams. However, remembering that the starters only played a few series and this is just the first exhibition game of the 2011 season should temper those feelings of panic.
Only scoring six points on two field goals might make one think that the Ravens offensive woes from last season have not changed. Allowing big pass plays due to a lack of a pass rush could be another cause for concern. Giving up five sacks on backup QB Tyrod Taylor could mean the offensive line has not improved from 2010.
Before you push that panic button and call into sports-talk shows, much less post here on Baltimore Beatdown that the skies are falling, do not read too much into the loss. The Ravens just wanted the main starters to get their "feet wet," and begin the bonding experience with some of the newer players. The Eagles might be one of the more dangerous teams in the league this season, and to hold them to just one TD is a pretty good indication of where the Ravens defense will be once again this season.
A lot of good things were seen in small doses last night, and the coaches definitely know what they need to work on and what they really don't care about that might upset many fans. TE Dennis Pitta played excellent in place of Ed Dickson, who was inactive, making a great catch while covered. QB Joe Flacco's three completions for 60 yards and a field goal on his opening drive is nothing to sneeze at.
Trying to run around and catch the elusive Eagles QB Michael Vick is not an easy task, much less after a little more than a week of Training Camp. Take away that one long 42 yard pass play on a Vick scramble and the Ravens played the Eagles even the rest of the game. In fact, had Tyrod Taylor not thrown an interception inside of the Eagles Red Zone and misfired on a fourth down pass late in the game, the Ravens could have definitely came away with the unimportant victory.
No big deal, this loss, as it gives the coaching staff a bit of an analysis on some of the players on the bubble and important reps for those newer players who are expected to play big roles in 2011 for the team. So before anyone wants to count the Ravens out after one meaningless exhibition game, relax and wait until the season is well underway before you write the Ravens obituary just yet. Remember, early in the Ravens history, they routinely went 4-0 in pre-season only to tank in the regular season, while championship teams often went winless in these exhibition games and then turned it around when it counted.
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I am rather concerned
about our back up QB situation and the sieve on that appears at LT, RG and RT.
I like Turtles!
I call it like I see it, some fan bases can't handle that.
Cousins
Was playing most of the game at LT after the starters went out, which is not his natural positions (RT). I think the thing I might be more concerned with is our lack of depth at the LT position.
We have two RTs that are at the very least serviceable but if Oher goes down who do we have been him to watch Joe’s blind side?
A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!
by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I would say if Oher stays up, who do we have to watch Joe’s blind side? Oher – at LT – is not nearly as impressive in real life as he is in the movies.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a hard time watching thew whole game, si I didn't.
I thought Kindle played well and so did Parmele. I thought we passed too much when they were just keying on us to pass. Did the new big running back get any carries, I did see him get a pass or two. I think we really screwed up letting Gaither walk. I guess we really won’t know what we have until the first game of the season.
teams pass more in pre season because pass plays cause fewer injuries
running between the tackles results in a lot of rolled ankles when the bodies pike up
Its also more important to get the pass game in sync for the real thing. Running plays are easier to execute.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 12, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
man I thought the rookie wideouts was going to tear it up in the preseason game.
Tandon Doss and Laquan Williams look good but I was expecting more also you can tell Torrey Smith and Joe Flacco were a little out of sync. The Oline struggle to give Joe Flacco time to throw same with Tyrod Taylor but other than that it was interesting game to watch.
Paul Krugar is beast he constantly was applying pressure also Arthor Jones and Pernell Mcphee. Cary Williams looked good and overall the defense showed it can definately get to the quarterback fast but they just need to finish tackles
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
On offense, I very much expected a work in progress.
I agree with the rest of what you said.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 12, 2011 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i expected the offense to look bad
it will be difficult to evaluate this group until we get birk back. mattison is clearly garbage
And the rooks were making stilly mistakes all over.
Tyrod’s first pick was partly due to Torrey pulling up in the middle of his route to check if he was still in the play. Its little things like running through your entire route that the young guys need to remember that will allow their youthful energy to pick up the overall speed of our defense.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How did Torrey look?
And Jimmy Smith?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
Torrey struggled to get open and run routes. Jimmy looked good but didn’t play very long.
I’m not too worried about those guys. The offensive line is clearly our biggest weakness.
Because Birk is injured?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy, considering how good you all have been on OL in the last few seasons.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Bal Hawk there really no body else at this point i free agency to help with the o line
so we may have to go with Oneil Cousins, Jah Reid, and Ramon HareWood(when ever he gets off pup). I heard Jah Reid didnt give up any sacks in the preseason and thats a goos start
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Max Starks and Flozell Adams would be better than what the Ravens are running with right now, even if they’re old as dirt.
Max isn’t super old, he is just out of shape and has a questionable back.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Depth
In all seriousness we have good depth at the RT position, but all the tackles we have outside of Oher are more of the mauling, slower RT-type. Last night Cousins was getting abused when he tried to play LT while Reid locked down the RT for the most part.
Now that could be because Reid is just better than Cousins, but I think its more because the rook was playing his more natural position while Cousins was playing out of his normal place.
Really we need to have a true back-up LT because if Oher goes down we’re in trouble.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Chemistry
That’s the biggest thing that helps or hurts a O-line. Right now we only have three of the same guys from last years line and Yanda is playing a different position. Once we pick who’s going to be our starting RT and get Birk back and the line gets some practice time together I think things should gel much better.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson > Carr
Williams > Carr
Webb > Carr
Brown > Carr
Smith > Carr
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carr had a terrible play on that first drive
also, reed could have stopped that one bomb but clearly was playing at half speed
+1
Carr made an uncharacteristically big gamble when he bit of the double move, which was what had made him so constant last year. I would also agree that Reed wasn’t going all out to cover that so if made Carr look that much worse.
I won’t kill the guy for a mistake in the first drive of the first preseason game, especially when he’s shown he can be better.
It would be like saying we need to Reed because he didn’t cover the top to prevent the catch like we all know he can. Its JUST preseason!
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but
Reed is a bit of the exception he plays so hard during the season that if he pushes too hard now he won’t be able to do the same things late in the season when we need him.
A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!
by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson > Carr
Williams > Carr
Webb > Carr
Brown > Carr
Smith > Carr
you do know it was only the first preseason game and the players were a little rusty right?
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Excuses
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
nope thats just being truthful
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Our offensive line and tackle situation is pathetic. Oneil Cousins is completely inept at either tackle position. His performance at LT, against second-third stringers, was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. In fact, the only performance that I can think of that was worse was Cousins’ performance against Lamaar Woodley.
I hope that this game isn’t a true indication of the real problem. Of course, everyone is going to say that it’s just pre-season, the first game no less. However, I think that the offensive/defensive line performances are one of the few things you can take seriously in a preseason game.
I know that no one agreed with me about the Gaither situation, but after last night, I hope people will begin to see why I was worried about the depth of our offensive line to begin with. If we had several young, talented offensive linemen ready to step in for Gaither, I may be able to understand the idealistic, principled stance, but the fact is the team is desperately and critically thin at the tackle position. I don’t think Cousins would make most NFL teams, and Reid is clearly a raw talent and needs tons of development.
That’s really the reason why I was so irritated at the apparent lack of motivation or desire to retain Gaither, our best LT since JO… by far. Now, the team has virtually no options besides trading for a tackle or playing the season with the guys on the roster… which is scary. If we try playing with the guys on the roster, we will have a hard time winning games. That is clear even after only one preseason game.
The funny part is that they’re probably going to be forced to sign a questionable, reject tackle like Bryant McKinnie, who has much, much, much more concerns than Gaither ever did, simply because all other options have been exhausted. I think they were banking on the fact that Gaither would remain unsigned until after the first week of preseason… so they could get a free evaluation of their current guys in action. Guess what? Pioli beat them to it.
I consider myself a logical person. Everyone here knows that I’m one of the first people to stand up and defend Ozzie Newsome, but this is as disappointed as I’ve ever been with our front office.
by BAL_Hawk on Aug 12, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes the o. Line looks awful. That much I was aware of and I expected. But I think there has to be some reason they dumped Gaither, and I suspect its his back.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 12, 2011 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope you’re right. It would really suck to watch him start in KC… and much worse, watch the KC line dominate.
Hawk, I’m confident the FO evaluates players better than you do.
The Gaither talk is insane…
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it’s pretty understandable to wonder what his capability is right now after watching that abysmal performance last night. I’m not telling you the sky is falling, but I expect pass protection to be an issue this year just as much as it was an issue last year.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
I was unclear
I didn’t mean to say that you thought the sky was falling. I was talking to Skev saying that while the sky isn’t falling, we can probably still expect some issues in pass protection this season.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
Gaither can't play
he played zero snaps last year. the fact that he failed a Raiders physical means its a long term back problem. Gaither is a non solution that only exists in your head. there is less then a 50% chance he plays again anywhere IMO.
as for the O line we knew without Birk it would be rough but he will be back week 1. we knew that Jah Reid would struggle in pass protection because that’s what is the hardest for rookies to learn.
I am worried about depth, but i’m not sure who they can sign a this point.
Gaither is a non solution that only exists in your head.
That assertion is just as unknown and only exists in your head. I think most fans want to believe this because it makes them feel better about the situation.
Gaither said he was healthy and may play this season. KC signed him for a reason, and I think Baltimore should have taken that risk given our situation. If he winds up starting for KC, it will expose our front office… especially if our tackle situation becomes a problem.
I don’t think the Ravens neglected to sign him for health reasons in particular. I think they didn’t sign him because they’re up on a high horse about the situation. They were probably going to wait until after this game, after they saw how good (or in this case, how bad) the line was, before they thought about bringing in someone else.
They were too proud to call Gaither unless they were absolutely forced into it. I think they’re desperate enough now and would have been calling him today if he hadn’t already signed. To me, that is a big mistake.
You’re right, though… There’s nothing that we can do now. They have to make do with who they have. If they wind up signing McKinnie, a guy that has tons more issues than Gaither, I think that will pretty much confirm what I’ve been thinking.
he got turned down by Oakland
and you have no clue if he will ever see the field in KC. if the guy was such a lock he would have been snapped up quick.
I know that no one agreed with me about the Gaither situation, but after last night, I hope people will begin to see why I was worried about the depth of our offensive line to begin with.
I think what no one agreed with was Gaither, not that there was a problem with the O-Line. There very much a problem with the O-Line. Gaither is/was not the answer.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly hope that I’m wrong, but this is what I see happening…
Gaither will start the season on the PUP list for KC, but after week six, will work his way into the starting lineup and given his natural talent when healthy, will eventually start at LT. With Albert at RT and Gaither at LT, the KC line will be dominate. Gaither will probably, once again, grade out as a top-3 LT with KC and will probably make a few Pro Bowls in the next few seasons.
Meanwhile in Baltimore, we will be struggling all season to get by with Oher and Reid at tackle. Who knows how many games we can win with them… Overcoming James Harrison and Lamaar Woodley seems like an impossibility. God help us if Oher gets injured.
We’ll go into next off-season with everyone talking about how the Ravens need to draft several offensive linemen to fix their gigantic problem. The worst part is that we’ll have to watch KC play with two young, talented bookend tackles… something we had only one season ago.
If Gaither does well in KC, then more power to him. Some people do not do well in certain places/situations. Gaither and Baltimore was one of those. Look how good Troy Smith looked last year and he looked like crap the whole time he was here. Gaither would not be the first person to do extremely well after leaving Baltimore and he wouldn’t be the last.
And even if he was here, unless he was going to play 3 positions simultaneously, we would STILL have problems with the O-Line. They will sure up the O-Line. I’m guessing by pre-season week 3, there will be a small glut of O-Line players being cut (hopefully Cousins along with them) and we’ll find the necessary people to sure up the dam.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Look how good Troy Smith looked last year and he looked like crap the whole time he was here.
What? Troy Smith? He was terrible. Maybe you mean Mark Clayton. I could buy that, but I don’t see any similarities between Gaither and the Smith or Clayton issues.
Both Clayton and Smith under-performed here. They just didn’t live up to expectations. Gaither exceeded expectations. He was dominant on the field. He merely got injured, missed a few OTA’s… and then eveyone called him lazy and showed him the door.
And even if he was here, unless he was going to play 3 positions simultaneously, we would STILL have problems with the O-Line.
We’d still need more depth, but at least we would have solutions for the season. Gaither at LT and Oher at RT is infinitely better than Oher at LT and Cousins or Reid at RT. It’s laughable to even consider Cousins a starter. I honestly don’t think he should even be on our practice squad. He may be the worst tackle I’ve ever seen.
I’m just pissed because I’ve been preaching that this would happen all off-season. I think it’s been stupid the way the Ravens have handled the OL situation and I think they’ve made a huge mistake. I refuse to sit here and blindly say that every move that Ozzie does is golden. I love Ozzie. He’s been one of the best things to ever happen to this organization, but they’ve made a huge mistake here and I’d rather not sugar-coat it.
Anyway, I probably should stop about Gaither. He’s gone and we need to move forward.
I probably should stop about Gaither. He’s gone and we need to move forward.
The best advice you could have.
The reality is, unless someone from the Castle calls and says, “Hey, wanna job?”, all of us arm-chair GMs can preach about whatever aspects of the team trouble us until we’re blue in the face and it doesn’t matter at all. All we end up doing is trying to convert everyone else who probably already agrees with us to begin with, at least in general.
And I really don’t think anyone has said that you have to say the “every move that Ozzie does is golden”. I don’t think he’s infallible and from the appearance of the O-Line last night, he’s pretty much proven it. But that doesn’t mean that your solution, or my solution or anyone else’s is either right or wrong, would work or wouldn’t. Because, as I said yesterday, at the end of the day, it’s only Ozzie’s decisions that matter in the real world. In general, he’s been very good at what he does. And I’m sure he’ll figure some way to get the O-Line sured up. It’s just that I, along with a number of other people, apparently including the FO, don’t think Gaither was the player to do that. Clearly, you do. But as you said – moot point – he’s gone and our answers lie elsewhere.
And yes, you’re very right – meant Clayton, not Smith. Probably was just seeing the second coming of Smith in Tyrod last night that had in my head.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and YES - Cousins - Worst. Player. Ever.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The sky is falling.........
Give it a break… Gaither showed us what he was but you refuse to accept reality.
Why bet your rep on what he does in KC? Not smart
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say what I honestly believe and try to clearly portray my arguments. If you disagree with what I’m saying, I’m open to hearing your logical argument, but “give it a break” doesn’t really qualify. In fact, nothing that you’ve said to me up to this point has really justified a response. You’re the one debasing your reputation.
by BAL_Hawk on Aug 12, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
gaither got fired
How’s that for logic…
You keep wishing on a star… I’ll make reasonable inferences based on facts.
You keep thinking you’re right and Oz is wrong. You sound shrill & foolish.
Gaither is long gone… But you keep arguing about how great he is and how he helps our team.
Give it a break… No one buys your Gaither love.
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gaither got fired
How’s that for logic…
Pretty poor, actually. Gaither was a free agent. Mason, Heap, Gregg, and McGahee were fired, not Gaither. This isn’t semantics in the NFL; when somebody’s fired, they don’t provide the opportunity for a compensatory draft pick.
You sound shrill & foolish.
Oh, the irony. I would absolutely love to see anybody get your back and say that BAL_Hawk, of all people here, is best characterized as “shrill & foolish.”
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Every argument you make is based on semantics, Amp
because you’re not searching for a truth, you’re searching for facts to fit a predetermined decision.
Gaither wasn’t welcome back to the Ravens… you can twist that around until you pull a groin but the fact is he is and always has been a bum. No offer = not wanted. Fired. Not sure how or why you snuck in some compensatory draft picks but it sure helps my point because it’s irrelevant. The Ravens did not want Jared Gaither back… no offer… zero…not even a vet-mini. nothing. Thanks.
Hawk is in love with the one spectacular season that Gaither put together for Baltimore. I hate the other 95% of Gaither’s track record.
You may think I’m foolish and you’re entitled to your opinion. I won’t tell you what I think about you because I know it doesn’t matter.
What matters is that I’ll be cheering for our rooks and our team while you two cheer for Jared Gaither.
Every argument you make is based on semantics, Amp
because you’re not searching for a truth, you’re searching for facts to fit a predetermined decision.
I just noticed something. I don’t think you’ve ever responded to a single point I’ve made. For instance, you didn’t actually respond to anything I said in my previous post. For that matter, you didn’t actually answer any of BAL_Hawk’s arguments, either. You just continued your hackneyed braying about what you assume is the relationship between Gaither and the front office.
You talk a lot about making inferences based on fact, but I see plenty of the former with precious little of the latter. Your posts are full of sound and fury. If history is our guide, then I don’t expect your next response will provide any new insight to the topic at hand.
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State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
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Give it a break… No one buys your Gaither love.
I saw you buy your self some Gaither love at a corner store called Jared just two weeks ago Evan and ever since you just cant get enough of that Gaither all the time talking about it and everything lol
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Coaching was rusty, too
Seriously, how hard is it to count to 11 and know that if you have 12 on the field, well, you’ve got too many! Two penalties for this last night. Stupid… pointless.
Officiating looked rusty as well. Their positioning on several plays and resulting calls was very poor. Their interpretation of the Rules is still a problem area in my opinion. In an effort to try and make the rules clear, they take the hard way by addressing every concievable possibility. This only leads to confustion as I guarantee will be evidenced all season long. Oh and that new kick-off line five yards forward? Well, that part of the game is gone. They should just save time and start the ball on the 20 at the beginning of the game, after halftime and when the opposing team scores. Forget kickoffs. The Rules Committee softens the game even more.
Couldn’t agree more about the rules
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Aug 12, 2011 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Officiating
I can certainly say that you are in no better position to interpret the rules than the refs on the field. In fact you’re probably incredibly less qualified.
Blaming the Refs is loser talk.
erniesto
So, actually I am in a position to evaluate the refereeing and interpret the rules. Been there, done that at albeit a lower level of competition. With that, SA, I wasn’t blaming the refs but rather stating they were rusty as well. Nothing more.
Also, I didn’t blame anyone outside of the coach who is supposed to count players on the field. Those brought penalties. Needless penalties.
Cam Cameron’s scheme blows. It looked like mediocre Iggle WRs were open on every single play. Our guys still had trouble with separation.
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Been saying it all preseason
The O-Line is the reason we will go 9-7 or worse this season unless it magically shapes up or we find a C/Guard and a tackle.
Possibly one of the worst lines in football right now.
It's the same Oline play last year
We need a veteran that can play left tackle… A lot of luck is needed to get that.
No. It has an older Birk and Yanda is at Guard instead of RT since Chester signed with the Skins.
A fat donkey could play a better tackle than what we have starting right now. Hope Reid is magical if no replacement is found. However, he was taken in the 3rd round for a reason…
Birk didn't even play last night.
While I don’t disagree about the needs of the O-Line, you can evaluate the needs based on players who weren’t even in the game.
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Man I'm glad football is back
Even if that was an ugly game to watch. I saw a lot of positives:
Pitta stepping up
Pollard fitting right in
Kruger constantly harassing the QB
Kindle not shying away from contact
And a lot of negatives:
Horrible play from our OT’s
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 12, 2011 10:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please disregard
And see completed comment below. God damn (not so) smart phone.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 12, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man I'm glad football is back
Even if that was an ugly game to watch. I saw a lot of positives:
Pitta stepping up
Pollard fitting right in
Kruger constantly harassing the QB
Kindle not shying away from contact
And a lot of negatives:
Horrible play from our OT’s
Carr off to a shaky start
Didn’t see enough separation from the
rookie WR’s
Vick is an absolute nightmare to opposing defenses when healthy
All in all you have to take the bad with the good, and this should give the FO an idea of what needs to be addressed, but it is hardly time to panic. Ozzie has a plan, he always does.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 12, 2011 10:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've lost all hope
8-8 at best.
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by Mr MaLoR on Aug 12, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And that's being generous
I say we just tank the season, and hope for the #1 pick next year so we can draft Andrew Luck.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1 as well
Except I don’t want you to get Luck
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by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Grossman is gonna carve you up tonight!
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Sexy Rexy throws a mean fast ball.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In all seriousness now.
What I liked
- Pitta obviously
- Kruger had some insane pressure. Only one sack, but man he was in the backfield about 4-5 times. We played against the two best scrambling QB’s in the league. Matt Cassel and his backups won’t be getting away from those sacks.
- I have never seen a LB built like Kindle in my 15 years of watching football. The guy is so freaking big, his arms are just one size all the way down. He is one scary, scary dude. He is going to break out.
- Bernard Pollard. Dude is a beast. Great tackler, can blitz, nice interception. He is going to start, mark it down.
- Cary Williams. Yet another preseason where he plays like a starter. Good in coverage and very good tackler.
- The other 3 backup TE’s played very well, especially Chris Wilson. You can tell that he really is an 8 year veteran.
- Parmale ran hard.
- Laquan Williams. At least one of my Terps stepped up. Made some nice catches and nice moves after the catch.
- Bryan Mattison, seriously. He actually played fairly well. All the pressure came from the edges, none really from the middle.
- Tyrod actually played somewhat well. The 2 ints were dookie passes, but the guy made some nice passes, some smart passes and his scrambling is obviously a weapon. People should not worry, he got all the kinks out hopefully. I like that he played the whole game even though he struggled.
What I hated.
- I will put this is bold and in CAPS, ONEIL COUSINS IS THE WORST, DUMBEST, MOST PATHETIC PLAYER ON THIS TEAM! Holy crap, I have never seen someone who is in the starting competition play so freaking bad. He false starts, he gets beat, and then just stands over Tyrod like a dumb monkey after he lets the defender rock him. I am not even going to continue on him. So fucking bad.
- Torrey needs to step it up. Made some bone head decisions on routes. Gotta come back when the QB is scrambling and gotta keep running through your route, which led to an interception. Not worried though, I know what this guy is capable of.
- Webb and Carr played like crap. Webb got beat around alot. Carr gave up that huge play. Not too worried though about those guys.
- Jah Reid needs to improve obviously, but I saw some nice things from him.
- Justin Harper. On the last play to score that TD, the dumbass goes up with one hand.
- Oneil Cousins
- Oneil Cousins
- Oneil Cousins
- ONEIL COUSINS!!!!!
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I hate to say it but...
McKinnie > Cousins
He may not be an ideal option, but Cousins play just isn’t going to fucking cut it. No way Joe makes it through a whole season with Oniel running a turnstile to the QB.
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by StuckInUtah on Aug 12, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know Cousins stunk it up but...
In his defense he played most of the game out of position, both he and Reid are natural RTs but he spent most of the game at LT which takes a completely different set of skills. LTs are usually better pass-blockers and are quick on their feet while RTs are bigger road-grater-type guys who ram into people to open holes for the run game.
To say that McKinnie is better than Cousins is like saying a solid CB is better than a solid S, they play similar positions but each position calls for a slightly different skill set. That’s also why so often washed up LTs excel when they move over to RT because the guys that are really good at the LT position have all the skills needed to succeed at the RT position and some.
When Cousins was playing RT earlier in the game he did much better than when he was playing out of position at LT.
All this game showed to me is we don’t really have anyone to back-up Oher if he goes down, so we better pray that doesn’t happen this year.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Torrey will learn to get open when the QB is scrambling
Just give him some time.
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by John Stephens on Aug 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
With out O-Line
He’ll have to. Joe isn’t sitting still all season. My guess – Joe scrambles for more yards than Vick this season – all behind the line.
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by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we may have witnessed one of the first big mistakes by the front office.
Their neglect of the offensive line situation is nearly inexcusable.
Only time will tell. Do you really think that Gaither is healthy right now to play? It sure doesn’t seem like it being as no teams jumped to get a top 10 LT, and the first one that did kicked him out. KC signing Gaither is a risk at best, because no one knows what he will give any team.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I didn’t get a chance to watch the game and I usually don’t look too much into pre-season games, but it’s sounding like our line could potentially be a serious issue this year. When I say that I mean Oher. I heard he struggled last night and he is the one that worries me most. LT is the money maker on the line and it’s important to have a stud there and it can give you serious problems if you don’t. The guy would be a monster at RT, but if he doesn’t show much progression this season then we may need to draft or sign a LT next year. Hopefully it’s just shaking off the cob webs, so I’m not going to go in complete panic mode yet.
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You're right - no reason to panic yet.
But since you didn’t see the game last night – let me describe the O-Line for you on all plays. You’ve seen dominoes standing next to each other? One falls and then they all do. Now picture the dominoes wearing purple jerseys and starting to fall before the ball is even snapped.
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by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
I think the majority was just cobwebs for the starters at least. I still have faith in Oher that he’ll improve.
If he looks at about he same level as he was near the end of last year then I would say we’re doing alright because that means he’s already playing like he’s had a full off-season and 16 games of real football to hone is craft and in reality all he’s had is 3 weeks of training camp.
If he can build off what he did last year he should only improve because outside of the false starting issues he had last year he was a solid, if not spectacular, LT for us.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a little concerned with Carr. I like him but he seems to be “Almost there” most of the time. It wouldn’t be as bad if he didn’t look much the same last year.
O line definitely needs some work but remember, this wasn’t a “Game” this was practice against another team and we have 3 more. These guys will get it shored up!
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From the little bit I was able to watch
We have some positives and some negatives from that first preseason game. For everyone worrying, relax a little bit, they are running the most basic schemes and testing out some guys to see where they can use them properly (I hope…).
Likes:
Pollard – He played really well and is pretty fast
Doss – surprisingly fast and gets a little bit of separation. I would like to see how he does against starters
Pitta – Heap Jr.! Played really well, but he needs to slow it down a little bit and calm down on certain plays. He keeps trying to do too much at 1 time
Kruger – I don’t know what switch just went off in his head, but he needs to tape it in that position. He too needs to slow it down a little bit because he keeps over-pursuing and getting too excited
Jones – Big and strong, he’ll do pretty solid this year, especially if he can learn some more
Dislikes:
Cousins – What the hell happened there!? I’ve read so much about him wanting to be a starter. With that performance, he’ll be lucky to suit up next game. We need some help here
The rest of the O-Line – I didnt see Yanda, Oher looked mediocre at best, Birk is injured (though they expect him to return), everyone else is really interchangeable at this point and I don’t think we would notice
The rest of our WRs – This is a group that would be suited better for sandlot football where they just run around and try to get open vs. trying to run a specific route. Torrey is having some serious difficulty getting any separation and playing back for the ball when needed. Williams played OK, but he’s too raw right now. The rest of the guys could be cut in my opinion and I don’t think we’d notice too much, if at all.
CBs – Our guys looked outmatched and overwhelmed at times. Webb definitely didn’t look that good. Carr had some issues, but played OK for the rest of the time he was in. My biggest issue is that the Eagles don’t have the best set of WRs in the league and we didn’t look better than mediocre this game
Taylor He looked BAD. Really really bad. Like maybe we can move him to WR or CB bad. It was partially the line, but some of his mistakes were solely on him. We need to get another guy in here immediately.
The running game looked pretty good, but we didn’t get to see too much of it. Our line seems better suited to do run blocking and pave ahead, so that plays well with us right now. Again, we are running the most basic of everything right now, so we will improve all around, but we definitely have some weaknesses in some spots.
Though I have to say, its a little funny to see some people start complaining now after the past few weeks. The few spots I have been claiming are our weaknesses actually showed up to be our weaknesses, so I have to imagine we kinda expected that and have a backup plan in place. I expect us to bring in a train of OL free agents this week to see who we can take and plug in.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Is there a train of OL free agents?
O-Line usually seems to be the position with the least number of available candidates.
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by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Finding big guys who are still nimble
isn’t that easiest thing to do so when a team finds them try to hang on to them and during training camp they need more bodies to rest the starters so they don’t get worn out or injured.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I didnt say they would be good. We missed that boat a while ago, so we’ll have to settle for someone in a wheelchair to replace Cousins…. though its still an improvement.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Taylor looked REALLY bad. Yes those interceptions were bad and a few other throws, but he did alright after that 2nd interception.
Better to get those mistakes out of the way now, rather than the 4th preseason game. He will bounce back.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
He was making simple checkdowns, nothing spectacular there. Just practicing pitch and catch drills really. I certainly wouldn’t want him to start right now, we would get destroyed with him out there.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Tyrod Taylor did a good job but he had so much pressure in his face that he didnt have room to throw the ball
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Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Taylor looked good…not sure what you were seeing but be specific
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably the 2 interceptions and the fact that it was almost 4 with his two lob passes one of which was caught but guy didn’t get two feet down then the one in the back of the endzone.
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Was it really only two INTs??
I could have sworn there were more.
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by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, only two. But it seemed like 4.
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He wasn’t perfect but he has skills… Major skills
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love his drop back and high release when he throws. Throws a tight spiral. Just needs to hit his spot a little better and not force throws. That one interception to Torrey was Torrey’s fault, it was a great pass and Torrey stopped running.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
I will agree with that, but he can throw a tight spiral and is his positive? Boller threw a tight spiral, but couldn’t hit his mark either. Being accurate and mentally sharp is what makes a QB good, not being able to throw a tight spiral and having a high release, though those help.
I just wouldn’t want him as our only backup right now, and I think the Ravens would agree with me on that one. The commentators sure did last night.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he can run a bit, but he certainly isnt super fast either. For our only backup, he played like crap. Was it Jamarcus Russel bad? nah, but Ravens bad is still bad.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
give him a break he barely had time to even throw the ball with all the pressure
in his face
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I’ve taken that into account and given him a break for that. His rushing was OK, but he was about to get caught by a LB when he had his large run.
He did have pressure, but again, he’ll have pressure in his face during every game if he has to start. Lets see if he can improve next game, but right now, I wouldn’t want him being the #2 guy.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically
He had three, one was reversed because the defender didn’t land in bounds and the hail mary to Allen in the end zone was a bad one.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess of what was seen were 4 INTs (or was it 5?), a number of sacks and near sacks that he scrambled INTO and a college rookies typical mistake of running at any and all given opportunities.
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by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Justin Harper. On the last play to score that TD, the dumbass goes up with one hand
Tyrod threw that ball way high and it wast even a accurate pass atleast thats what I saw
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I watched the play a few more times, and Harper gave little effort to get it. A 6’4" WR could have easily caught that. Even if it was too high to catch, him going up with two hands would have made me a little less angry.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Harper not 6'4 lol he 6'3 but I feel you maybe he could had put a little more effort in to catching the ball
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Do you know his social security too? Mr Harper and Brandon Jones lover.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Do you know his social security too? Mr Harper and Brandon Jones lover
was that really neccessary Mr. Torrey Smith Lover? I bet you got his social security number, know where he live, know his mother name, know his sister name, and know what his favorite color is also know what size boxers he wears.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Great point made by The Sun
4. For those of you who thought Greg Mattison was too vanilla, you probably enjoyed your first taste of the Chuck Pagano era. It was a preseason game, but that didn’t keep Pagano from blitzing, especially from the secondary. The blitzes weren’t too exotic, but just wait for the regular season when Pagano won’t be holding anything back.
Against any other QB not named Vick or Young, we had 4-5 sacks last night. Kruger was a force, and like I said above, I have never seen a LB built like Kindle. Man, he is a speciman. Just compare him to guys like Gooden, Ellerbe, McClain, JJ….you can see a total difference. He makes them look like DB’s.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
+1
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
TRADE for lee evans
per adam schefter’s twitter. doesn’t say anything about what we gave up tho. hopefully not too much.
http://twitter.com/#!/adamschefter
Yuo
I dont like the move at all. We need a LT not a WR. But whatever
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by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't mean we can't make other moves
as soon as Ngata’s deal is done, I expect a couple more moves to be made, most likely on O Line
Hopefully. I would like to see us work-out McKinney. Great player just needs to get back in shape.
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by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
what left tackle is really out there that we could trade for or sign ? the only good left takle out there is
bryant mckinnie(i think thats how you spell his last name) and he got cut because he came to camp overweight
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Lets all pitch in for a treadmill, and get him in here.
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yeah we should he could help the o-line and it was said he only looking for 2.0 million.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Yeah
I figured as much, they just wanted to see what the young guys could do before they brought in the vet to take the place of the young guys.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
CALM DOWN!!!
You guys are acting like chicks. O line is not something that just works automatically. There is more communication on the O line than anywhere else on the field. The leader is the Center. Being they haven’t practiced for a month yet, Birk was out, and guys were out of position, what did you all expect? Give the guys time to gel before you get all crazy. I have never liked Cousins though. The Eagles O line stunk too, they just had MV and VY out there.
I really like that we were able to get constant pressure. Once our D gels it will be amazing. Like it says in the post they were getting their feet wet.
by Georgia Raven on Aug 12, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The sky isn't falling
Evans can thrive with Flacco. The O line will be fine when Bork is back.
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mattison, surprisingly, wasn’t all that bad.
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I agree. Had a false start (might not have been him) but he held his own. He has been with us for 3 years now, so at least him and the coaches are comfortable.
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The false start was Tim Barnes later during the game.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty
He couldn’t have look all the bad regardless with Grubbs and Yanda next to him, those two would make any center that can snap the ball and not fall over look decent.
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by Christopher Atwood on Aug 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Shadow mostly all the centers didnt do bad at all just the tackles and guards
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
o line is a unit directed by qb & center
More to it than physical
by Evan Skev on Aug 12, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats true but center can direct you as best as he can but its not his fault that the
tackle/guard start to screw up in pass protection or run blocking. The Same goes for quarterback with wideouts and tight ends if the wideout/tight end don’t run his route effectively like the quarterback ask him to or drop the ball when the ball thrown to him then thats all on wideout/tighend not the quarterback
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Very good point Evan. The center is very much the leader of the Offense, even if no one knows it. But we’ve known about Birk for some time now, Mattison looked solid, so I have to imagine he could get the basics down on leading the rest of the line, especially given that we were doing vanilla stuff.
Our Oline did well on run blocking, so I don’t really think it was the communication, but more of the fact that we don’t have a pass blocking line. We choose guys with mean streaks that like to go forwards and push people off the ball. Pass blocking is a lot of finesse and timing on when to push, and our guys have never really excelled at that. Especially a player like Oher, which is why I don’t think he will excel at LT since that position is so dependent on being able to block for the run and the pass.
Though, I could very well be wrong. Its just what I know from playing football and from watching it for so many years.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I am now content at WR. Given what we saw out of Pitta and Doss, combined with Boldin and now Evans. Plus we are a run first team, I think that has completely shored up that weakness. I would like to see Torrey get better and make some big plays, but having Evans takes some pressure off of Torrey to have to make those plays.
Now lets add someone on the line that can float around, and add another potential starting CB for depth (in case Carr sucks this season and in case Foxworth isn’t as 100% as he thought) and I will be extremely happy with the upcoming season.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Now lets add someone on the line that can float around, and add another potential starting CB for depth (in case Carr sucks this season and in case Foxworth isn’t as 100% as he thought
I dont think the ravens need to add another cornerback I think the ones we got will be fine and I dont think Carr or Foxworth will suck and even if the ravens were in need to add another potential starting cornerback there no one on the market right now and I highly doubt the ravens trade for one
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
i agree
the only moves i see us making are a 3rd QB and OL (maybe two moves there)
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We got Wilson last year when we were in the same boat. I don’t see how this season is any different. Carr didnt look like #1 material, Foxworth is still being hampered by his knee, we didnt see much of Jimmy Smith, but he’s a rookie and I don’t think he’ll get the #1 spot based off what I’ve heard about him in camp. Cary Williams looked good, but he looked good last year too and he didnt see much field time. Webb isn’t looking like his rookie self either.
Even if we can’t get a #1 guy (I wouldn’t want one now to be honest), we could use the depth there just in case Foxworth isn’t ready to go. That would put us down to a small pool of CBs and very few that I would feel comfortable with starting. Especially in this league, when you need 3 starting caliber CBs, we don’t have that right now.
Maybe the guys will step it up against the Chiefs, but if they don’t, you better expect us to go after a CB in some way.
by Mstevens_Design on Aug 12, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We got Wilson last year when we were in the same boat
we got wilson last year when we foxworth was out for the season and Webb was still on pup thats not the same as this year.
Carr didnt look like #1 material
I guess you mentioning the first preseason right? Its just the first preseason game and even really good players mess up at times in preseason games. Im not worried about Carr, Foxworth, and Webb at this point im sure they will be starting and doing fine this year.
Foxworth is still being hampered by his knee
Foxworth not on pup so it cant be as serious as it may seem to you. I think the coaches just want to play it safe with him and do the same they did with Fabian Washington allowing him to miss a few preseason games to rehab or rest his knee
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
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