Who Makes the Grade - Youth Edition
Since losing to the Steelers in the playoffs last January, our beloved Ravens have encountered a youth movement. Many of the familiar faces and aging vets have left for greener pastures on other rosters. The list of departing players looks something like this (in no particular order):
Marc Bulger, Derrick Mason, Donte Stallworth, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Todd Heap, Willis McGahee, LeRon McClain, Chris Chester, Jared Gaither, Kelly Gregg, Dawan Landry, Josh Wilson, and Fabian Washington.
Phew. That's quite a list of accomplished players. Although Ozzie and Co. have made a few moves in free agency to to fill some of these vacancies, including adding Vonta Leach, Bernard Pollard, and Ricky WIlliams, many of the roster spots previously occupied by all this veteran talent will now be filled with rookies. Here's a breakdown of what Raven's fans can expect to see in 2011 at some of the most uncertain positions...
QB: There is no argument as to who will start. This is Joe Flacco's offense. However, the depth chart behind him consists of Hunter Cantwell and Tyrod Taylor, who have combined for exactly zero regular season snaps in their NFL careers. If the cap situation allows it, the Ravens should and probably will consider bringing in a more experienced option as the primary backup to Flacco. Taylor will get a long look in preseason, but should be the team's #3 option going into the season. Jake Delhomme, Troy Smith, and Brodie Croyle are all still available and have starting experience should Flacco be injured during the season.
My expectation: Flacco, Smith, Taylor
RB: With the signings of Leach at FB and Williams as the #2 HB option behind Ray Rice, the RB situation has mostly solidified. Questions about which young players will make the team in backup and special teams roles still abound. Jalen Parmele and Matt Lawrence are looking for spots, as well as rookies Anthony Allen and Damien Berry. Decisions on this final spot or two may be made based on preseason performances. However, barring injury none of them is likely to make a significant impact on the team in 2011 beyond special teams.
My expectation: Rice, Williams, Allen
WR: After veteran star Anquan Boldin, the WR corps lost every productive member from the 2010 team. Rookies Torrey Smith, Tandon Doss, and LaQuan Williams, as well as youngsters David Reed and James Hardy make up the bulk of the competition for the glaring vacancies at the position. Justin Harper and Marcus Smith also pose a threat to make the team. The word is that the team may be interested in finding another veteran presence to accompany Boldin. Mark Clayton, Jerricho Cotchery, and Houshmandzadeh are potential free agent options, as might be Lee Evans via trade. Expect T. Smith and Doss to make the team, while their role is decided by their preseason play as well as what other additions to the corps Ozzie makes. A rookie could potentially earn a starting spot at WR this season. With 1-3 other openings at WR still up for grabs, expect heavy competition from the rest of the field throughout training camp.
My expectation: Boldin, T. Smith, Cotchery, Doss, Reed, Williams
TE: Heap's release was a surprise to many, as was his departure for Arizona. Those who saw it coming cited second year players Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta as reasons for the move. Adding Davon Drew to the mix gives the team solid depth, but the 12 combined career catches from the crew leaves questions as to how ready the trio will be be make an immediate impact. Most likely Dickson and Pitta will be thrown into the fire, learning in real game situations. There is no lack of pass-catching talent here waiting to be utilized, but there are questions about the blocking abilities of the youngsters. Only time will tell if ending Heap's tenure in Baltimore was a wise decision.
My expectation: Dickson, Pitta, Drew
OL: Michael Oher, Ben Grubbs, Matt Birk, and Marshal Yanda comprise the majority of the starting offensive line. However, there is no cemented player at RT. Rookie Jah Reid has looked strong in practice so far, but Oniel Cousins and Ramon Harewood also warrant consideration for the starting job. Ideally the Raven's would have a solid veteran option to plug in here, but the front office seems content to let the in-house candidates fight it out. If Reid proves himself ready, he might be the most optimistic long-term option. If not, Cousins is the most likely choice to start. Unless his play has improved this offseason, Cousins would be the weak link on an otherwise very solid line.
Also of note is Birk's injury, which may cause a backup center to see playing time with the starting offense. Casey Rabach, who was reported to have signed with the Ravens, failed a physical and did not join the team. Other options on the roster at C are Bryan Mattison and rookies Ryan Bartholomew and Tim Barnes. While these inexperienced players create solid depth and may be viable starters in the future, it would be a desperate situation if any of them saw significant playing time in 2011. Unfortunately, the list of free agent centers is short at this point, and there may not be a viable option there either. If a beneficial scenario comes to Ozzie's attention with regards to center, he would be wise to address it.
My expectation: RT - Reid starting, Cousins, Harewood as depth, C: Birk (hoping he's healthy), Bartholomew as depth
DL: With the departure of Gregg, it seems it is time for Terrence Cody to step up at DT. The Ravens still have quality depth up the middle as Brandon McKinney and Arthur Jones are waiting for their opportunities to display their skills as well. Haloti Ngata and Cory Redding return as veterans on the outside, but potential pass rushers Paul Kruger and Sergio Kindle may finally get chances to attack opposing QBs from either DE or OLB positions. Even with the loss of Gregg, the Ravens have a lot of depth on the defensive line, with Albert McClellan and rookie Pernell McPhee also vying for a chance to prove their worth. The Raven's front seven is likely to be a shape-shifting group, with many players getting into the action based on the formation and game situation.
My expectation: Ngata, Cody, and Redding starting, but quality play from backups McKinney, Jones, Kruger, Kindle, and McPhee help keep everyone fresh.
CB: Although the Ravens lost Wilson to the Redskins, the resigning of Chris Carr and drafting of Jimmy Smith and Chykie Brown give the team fantastic depth at CB. Domonique Foxworth and LaDarius Webb should be healthy after returning from knee injuries, and ever-waiting Cary Williams has looked excellent so far in practice. With all this depth, it is difficult to say who will start, play nickel, etc, but the Ravens should be in a solid position regardless. It may be too much to expect Smith to start right away, but don't be surprised if he earns a starting role at some point in the season.
My expectation: Foxworth, Carr, Smith, Webb, Williams, Brown
S: Some fans will miss Landry playing next to Reed in the defensive backfield, but young-veteran depth in Tom Zibikowski and Haruki Nakamura is already in place to take over in 2011. Furthermore, with the signing of Pollard, the Ravens added a Landry-esque option for run support and pressuing opposing QBs. Pollard and Zibikowski will probably fight for the starting nod at SS, but look for both of them to contribute with quality playing time either way.
My expectation: Reed and Zibikowski starting, Nakamura and Pollard as depth and used in certain packages
Overall: Losing as much of a veteran presence as the Ravens lost is likely going to hurt. The rookies in camp have a lot of talent that may improve the team for years to come. However, for positions like WR and RT were a rookie is likely to see significant playing time, expect growing pains in the short term. The offense is suddenly very young, and will probably take some time coming into its own. The solid veteran core still in place on this team, primarily on defense, should be enough to keep the Ravens competitive into January, but I question their ability to make it "over the hump" this year. They will likely be forced to face experienced rivals like the Colts, Patriots, and Steelers in the playoffs, a daunting task for the most battle-hardened of teams.. Only time will tell what this team is truly capable of. Even so, it should be fun watching our young players mature and develop into a new generation of Ravens stars.
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Great write up, the knowing one.
I agree with you on most of the depth chart.
QB- I’d rather have Croyle than Smith.
WR- I’d rather not sign an injured Cotchery. We’ve got to let our young guys grow up at some point, why not early in the season.
DL- I hope we get to see a lot of Jones and McPhee this year.
CB-Smith should be our #1 from day 1. Our most talented player needs as much playing time against the best WRs, early in the season. He’s got to be ready for the winter. After Jimmy, let everyone else fight it out. I hope Cary wins the job though. Two guys with size, length, and speed on the outside would be a nice luxury.
SS- I hope Pollard starts. I like Zibby a lot, but he isn’t the pass rusher Pollard is.
OLB – Kruger should steal JJ’s job. Let JJ be the backup. Bring in Kindle on 3rd down, and let him tear shit up.
OL- Scariest part of the team for me right now. Reid is the future, hopefully he can start from Day 1. Birk better get healthy quick. We need a decent center to make our O work.
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I agree on Croyle. All things equal, I think he’s the best remaining option. Unfortunately, all things are not equal, as Smith has experience in the offense and likely understands the playbook. When you’re talking about the first line of defense in case of injury at QB, that kind of experience is key. Either one is an upgrade over an unproved rookie.
Agree on Cotchery too if he is still injured. Honestly, Lee Evans (no more than a 5th imo) at the right price would be a dream come true. I think if we go forward with what we have now, the offense is going to suffer. We should try to bring someone in, even if it’s only in a complimentary role.
In regards to CB, I’m all for Smith starting if he’s ready in week 1. That we have the depth to handle him not being ready is a huge plus for this team. Notice how we don’t have this luxury at WR with Torrey and Tandon.
I imagine Pollard and Zibi will see maybe a 50/50 split based on the game situation. Their specific strengths seem pretty complimentary.
The possibility of starting 2 rookie O-Linemen should be giving Ozzie nightmares… I’m certainly not sleeping well at the thought, and I’m just a fan!
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by onethingiknow on Aug 10, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Love, love, love that alot of people are including Laquan Williams on their rosters now, and they should. He has made some huge plays at WR and you can take it from me as I got to watch every game on him first hand, he is a Special Teams ace, which is the main reason he came in here.
You can bet that if he makes 3-4 plays at WR and 3-4 plays on Special Teams in the next 4 preseason games, he find a way on this roster.
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Cardinals reportedly interested in trading for Lee Evans. If Oz wants him he better get off his ass and get him!
by Raven_all_day on Aug 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he's only making 3.2 this year and most of the big money has been paid by the bills
but if the ravens really want him then they may have to trade for him because its definately not a for sure thing that he will be release also the ravens can ask him to take a pay cut if the money he making is much of a issue. Im pretty sure if the ravens do trade for him then ngata contract will be done which is predicted to clear up 6 million in cap space
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yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Doubt we do it. If we are going to get a WR, it will be either Cotchery or someone who is released once cuts start being made.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Cotchery is not going to happen. He’s looking for a multi-year contract. Why would the Ravens pay for a two year deal on a number 3 receiver when they 2-3 promising rookies/sophmores on their roster already?
Let’s just stop talking about him for the sole reason he’s the FA with any ESPN name recognition left.
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when they 2-3 promising rookies/sophmores on their roster already?
Well according to about 3/4’s of Ravens fans out there, this is the exact reason why we go 9-7 this year.
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
Well, plugging Cotchery, Evans or Houshmanzadeh isn’t going to elevate the Ravens to a superbowl team so w/e. It might add a win or two.
I’m in the 9-7, 10-6 group (probably make wildcard) but I’d like to see the team protect its assets with a solid line so the team can vie for the division (and superbowl) next year.
We have Jah Reid and a practice squad in case someone gets injured. That’s just plain bad.
you're crazy
we have a mad easy schedule, and the ravens usually have won the easy ones under haurbaugh:
locks: vs. SF,@ Ten, @ StL, @ Jac, vs. Ari, @ Cin, vs. Cin, @ Cle, vs. Cle, @ Sea,
possible wins: vs. Pit, vs. Ind, vs. Hou, @ SD, vs. NYJ
likely losses: @ Pit
10 wins is a lock, lets say we go 2-3 against the middle group, hypothetically we win at home against Houston and Pittsburgh (I think we will take the Jets also), That would put us around 12-4 or 13-3.
And btw, next year there is no guarantee we will have Ray or Ed Reed. So we gotta go all in now.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 10, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Speculation no less valid than mine. This season is a toss-up with most teams. Cleveland and Cincinnati excluded.
One thing is for certain: Excluding a ROY or a blockbuster trade there is no going all in this season, at least on offense. And Defense no longer carries a team. Go look up your contemporary NFL history.
How far we go depends mostly on QB play and Offensive Coordinating. We all seem to be in agreement that defense will return to QB-pressuring form this year, so if we can play with a lead we should be hard to beat.
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by jackmca on Aug 11, 2011 7:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
do you really think we will lose to NYJ, Pit x2, Ind, Hou and SD, when 4 out of the 6 are at home? Or do you see us losing one of the easier ones? If you say the latter, read my article from last off-season http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2010/5/6/1460349/you-gotta-win-the-easy-ones
we don’t lose easy ones under haurbaugh. It’s just the hard ones we have trouble finishing. But we should be able to conquer that with Flacco taking more control from Cam this year on the play calling.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
2 corrections
you left out LB.
and you wrote that rookies are filling the spots. it should be rookies and 2nd year players, as most of the starting holes are filled by 2nd year players except WR and maybe safety.
I left out LB because the majority of our starters and depth there are guys with at least 2-3 years under their belts. We know Ray and Suggs will start, and JJ probably does too. The last default spot will be some combo of Gooden, McClain, and Ellerbe, who have all seen time as starter in the last couple years.. Kruger and Kindle are the inexperienced guys who might get time there, and I talked about them under the D-Line.
On your other point, you’re right. Many of the guys coming into starting spots are 2nd year guys who saw very little (if any) playing time last year. Technically they are not rookies, but many of them have the same types of question marks surrounding their abilities to improve the team as starters.
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by onethingiknow on Aug 10, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Moll signed with the Jags. Just another reminder about how we have no real back-up guard/center if one of these guys goes down with an injury.
He was a guard/tackle. Thanks for the clarification though. OL is still pitifully thin right now. My guess is that the Ngata deal is holding up anything Ozzie might want to try since offensive linemen demand a lot of cash.
Interior line depth is an issue yes, but Tackle depth is about as good as any team could realistically hope for right now
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