Cuts Present New Opportunities For Younger Ravens
by Bruce Raffel on Jul 26, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
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While many fans are not too thrilled with the recent announcements of the cuts the Baltimore Ravens have made in the opening hours of the back to work flurry of activity, it does present some interesting opportunities for a few of the younger players on the team that have previously toiled in relative obscurity.
With WR Derrick Mason not on the team's roster, it gives rookies Torrey Smith and Tandon Doss as well as young veterans David Reed, Marcus Smith, Justin Harper and James Hardy chances and repetitions that they would otherwise have to share among each other.
Todd Heap's departure, if it ends up as such, would mean that Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta, both second year pros, would move up on the depth chart and most likely get significant playing time with the first team in practice and once the regular season began.
Kelly Gregg was a starter on the defensive line for much of the past decade, but there was a reason the team was so excited to get Terrence Cody in the 2010 NFL Draft. Along with Arthur Jones and some of the newest Ravens from the 2011 Draft and free agency, reps will be plentiful, although one should not forget veterans Brandon McKinney and Kelly Talavou, although the latter is also a free agent.
Finally, the biggest opportunities could be in the running back position, with the release of Willis McGahee and LeRon McClain almost certain not to return. Who will fill that void behind Ray Rice is still undecided, if it ends up being rookie Anthony Allen, veteran Jalen Parmele, one of the guys on the Practice Squad or a soon-to-be-signed free agent.
Either way, a lot more moves will be made by the team to get the full complement of bodies into Training Camp starting tomorrow. Many faces will be missing and many will be new, but there will still be a veteran presence on this team and hopefully, some of the recent cuts will be re-signed to contracts more "friendly" to the team's needs. If not, opportunities abound and guys are just drooling for the chance to be a contributing part of this team.
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But do we invest a ton on hoping they are ready? I think we should grab a FA WR. We are super bowl contenders. If Smith or Doss is not ready to start, this will take us back a few steps. Depending on what Carolina is asking fo i wouldnt mind trading for Steve Smith.
by Raven_all_day on Jul 26, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you to an extent.but steve smith is twice the player housh and donte are and then some
by purple_reign2011 on Jul 26, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness
1 year for Boldin isnt really fair. The guy barely got time to get accustomed to a new QB. Clayton was here for years and never stuck and he can’t stick anywhere else either.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 26, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Smith fits our scheme
better than Housh did. And Stallworth never got the reps because of injury to build up confidence or trust. Steve Smith could be a good fit for us and wouldn’t cost a ton and he wouldn’t eat into all the rookie’s reps.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 26, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But you can't bring Mason back
You have to use Boldin like Mason if we keep using Rice as a receiver. Then bring in some of the other receivers we have been stringing along the past couple of years. We have to establish a new receiving corp.
Well, I think the goal is to stop the short passing game and get Boldin used as a medium route runner, a Mason type player to run the underneath and outside stuff and Torrey to run the deep stuff.
Either way, I think Torrey will start getting reps this year while he learns and perfects the route tree. Doss will probably be the bench guy and fight with a few of our other guys top be the 4th WR in certain sets. By the time that Mason and Boldin are gone, Torrey and Doss should be our #1 and #2 guys.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Mason helped develop Flacco for three years
Now Flacco has to step up and be able to hit every receiver just like Mason.
Now Flacco has to step up and be able to hit every receiver just like Mason.
Last season, Flacco hit Boldin (64), Mason (61), Heap (40), and Rice (63) forty or more times each. Mason was only the third most prolific receiver on the team last year. If Flacco “has to step up,” how many other quarterbacks in the league can boast having three targets with more than sixty catches each in 2010?
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Our play calling is what needs to step up
There were so many games where all of our recievers were straight balling and we cruised into the half, only to turtle up and not call another agressive play the entire second half.
Amp makes a good point, but so does Shadow. Flacco needs to target more down the field instead of shorter passes. Some of that is scheme some of that is just what Flacco is used to doing at this point.
I think we could still bring back Mason, but make him understand that he is going to share time with the young guys. We can still use Mason for what he is good for (his outs are amazing and hard to defend), but not rely on it being there on every play. He can also help teach the younger guys some of the things he knows and hopefully Torrey will have a good 1st year and make some big plays and mature.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 27, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We need high pointers and guys with speed to throw downfield.
Flacco loves throwing it up. We just haven’t ever had the personal to consistently throw deep.
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Flacco threw for more than 20 yards 86 times in 2010, which was good for 2nd in the NFL. I don’t think the problem is that he’s not throwing down field enough, it was that we didn’t have the receivers to make those passes worthwhile.
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Good stat
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure our WRs don't get YAC.
Here are last years numbers:
Boldin-3.8
Dickson-7.0 (only 11 catches)
Housh-3.0
Mason-2.2
Rice-9.2
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
lol maybe he doesnt like ngata calling him cheeseburger.but i mean seriously cody losing weight is not that big of a deal.he’ll still be tiping the scales at 330?340?
by purple_reign2011 on Jul 26, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
350
He’s still at 350. That is a big boy, but it isnt nearly as bad as last year
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 26, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
beautiful.350 pound monster.cant wait to see him take on a bigger role
by purple_reign2011 on Jul 26, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We are waiting for him to come to the castle, take his physical and sign his waiver. It should happen today or tomorrow.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 26, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome
hes the person i wana hear about the most.i think his status will somewhat dictate how we go in free agency
by purple_reign2011 on Jul 26, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't some of em financial cuts??
I’m guessing you guys will bring back Mason and Heap at cheaper deals. I’d be SHOCKED if they weren’t both Ravens next year.
ESPN said
Heap was talking to Arizona, got lots of local ties to the area.
I like Turtles!
no heap please, i already have a folding chair with a bent frame. we neeeeeeed mason. he has the slickest short and outs in the league even at 37. all i see here are a bunch of unproven rookies who will do nothing for us in their first year. the ravens have never established a receiver from rookie to decent player.
mark clayton was a decent plater and so was travis taylor
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Lol.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
typo player
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Agreed
Clayton and Taylor never lived up to expectations of being first round draft picks, but both made solid contributions to the team while they were here.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Clayton yes, but Taylor, no. He was a top 10 pick who absolutely fell off in abilities at one point. Clayton was a late first round pick who while he was never great, was consistent, and he had some pretty good hands…..something Taylor never had. That man dropped so many easy passes it was unreal.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
i think u gotta sign him
He doesn’t command a ton of $ and he could potentially complete our line regardless of which tackle spot they want him to play. Who can you get at gaithers pprice who is as good as he can be?
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by jackmca on Jul 27, 2011 6:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
some say we could just sign left tackle matt light
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Light only has a year or 2 left on that body
There is a reason the Patriots are letting him go.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
And (hopefully) that's exactly what we need.
Sign him to a short deal (if he’ll take it) and let him bridge the gap to Harewood/Reid/Cousins (lol).
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll want good money though
He was one of the top paid OL in the league just a few years ago. I think we wants too much money is the issue or more teams would be all over him.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 27, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good tackles cost money.
It’s the reason why I’d rather Ozzie not sign Nnamdi. Spend that money elsewhere. While CB would be a lot stronger had we resigned Wilson, it is still not as big of a hole as tackle or WR right now (so long as Carr resigns).
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
Gaither may be a head case, but he has the physical ability to play tackle in the NFL without even trying. If we can get his head screwed on right, he could be a phenominal guy and that bookend we need on this team.
I wonder where he is at weight wise right now? That has to be a concern of theirs up front and maybe they toss him some bonus incentives to show up to offseason training every year.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaither looks like a goner
not sure why people are still so high on a guy who missed so many games and is proven to have the wrong attitude…
He isn’t getting out of Harbs doghouse anytime soon… I see him playing for a team with a mediocre FO… like Oakland or the Bungles.
if they outbid, obviously we let him go
But if not, I see no problem with signing gaither to a cheap deal and letting him compete because I guarantee if he’s healthy he’s starting material
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
remember the cash floor on the cap... lots of teams are spending lots of money
getting Gaither on the cheap is a dream… someone will give him $5M
Oakland will give him $10M
Its only a dream as much you make it to be. When we re-signed Marshal Yanda
I’m sure a team like the redskins who was reported to have high interest in yanda probably would had offered more money but instead yanda still pick the ravens to come back to. If Gaither feels like he wants to be a ravens then he may accept being one even if the other team offers more money. You may disagree but you or I dont know whats going on in Gaither mind right now and its very possible he will return. I just know it would suck if he doesnt return
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
good point, Jazz
Remember…I don’t have inside info, I’m just making what I consider to be a reasonable prediction based on past behavior. Gaither hasn’t shown that he wants to be great… he hasn’t shown that he wants to be a Raven…
and he’s gone. byebye.
Yanda is good in the trenches
He’s not a great pulling guard and not that good in the open field. It is a good possibility we may have over paid for a one dimensional player. The problem was we didn’t have anyone to fill in.
He’s not a great pulling guard …
I don’t know who you’re talking about, but Marshall Yanda — the Yanda that played guard for the Ravens — is one of the best pulling guards in the NFL.
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This was Mike Preston's from the Sun's take
Mike is one of the most accurate writers I have read and also played football himself. He knows what he is looking at and doesn’t BS anyone. I take his take on Yanda to be fairly accurate.
Mike is one of the most accurate writers I have read and also played football himself. He knows what he is looking at and doesn’t BS anyone.
Even for a guy who’s known for saying ridiculous things, this is really over the top. Preston is a joke. His MO is to make outlandish claims to drive views for his “stories.” Anybody that buys into even a tenth of what he says is out of his mind, which might actually help to explain some of your posts.
I take his take on Yanda to be fairly accurate.
You can take whatever take you want to take. I get my information from Filmstudy, who does the best line analysis — offensive and defensive — of the Ravens, hands down. Here’s an end-of-the-year synopsis of Yanda from the 2009 season (back when he was known to play a little Guard):
· What makes him special: Nasty mauler able to win 1-on-1 battles at the point of attack; devastating pull blocker when he connects; he pulled a season high (for any Raven) 19 of 49 running plays (excludes 3 kneels) versus the Pats in the playoffs and connected on 15 to open some big holes.
Emphasis added. The difference between your source (a doughnut-munching has been, angry at the world because he couldn’t make it as a pro) and mine is that Filmstudy doesn’t make sweeping claims and accusations without evidence to back it up. Filmstudy compiles stats for the line for each game and analyzes the trends. If he says that Yanda is a “devastating pull blocker” and provides the stats to back it up, I’m going to consider that to be “fairly accurate.” Where is Preston’s evidence?
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"A devastating pull blocker when he connects"
That when is a big if. That just means a good trench blocker is a good open field blocker if he can connect. That still doesn’t mean is is a good downfield blocker.
I wasn't aware that connecting on 15 of 19 (SSS sure) blocks meant he couldn't connect...
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure why people are still so high on a guy who missed so many games and is proven to have the wrong attitude…
i
ts very obvious because Gaither is our best left tackle and there no one who is as solid as him right now
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
The only thiing obvious is that we don't have a LT named Gaither
Welcome to 2011
you not making sense I know you dont like Gaither but this offensive line needs
him and if you disagree with that I dont need to speak no more.The Ravens need to try to re-sign Gaither if not then I dont know if this offensive line or the running game will improve this year.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
This offensive line needs another tackle.
It doesn’t need an injured/unmotivated Gaither. I’d rather not get into a bidding war for Gaither when we’re not even sure he’s to be productive again. We don’t have money for that.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we all know that a bidding war doesn’t happen with us, let alone with a guy like Gaither. You low ball him and he takes it or leaves it.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have little doubt that if there is are 2 offers,
Gaither’s taking the offer that pays him more.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
injured/unmotivated Gaither
Unmotivated you say. how can he be unmotivated when the guy clearly played a game with one arm against the gaints in 2008 and still was solid. I understand the injury concern but come on now we all know injuries happen. Its not like Gaither was pulling a Albert Hanesworth telling coaches I dont want to do this and etc.If we dont bring back Gaither then who is out there right now that can be just as solid? I dont expect The Ravens to be in a bidding war for Gaither with some other team but it wouldnt be smart to not even offer a deal for him at all.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I didn't say he was unmotivated, I said we didn't need him if he were.
To me, he’s not worth the risk. Not one of us knows the truth about what happened last season, but if Ozzie’s not going to offer him a deal, I’m going to trust him.
Sure, injuries happen. But a tackle that has only played a full season once (and that with one arm, as you are quick to point out) seems to be unlucky at best.
As for replacing him, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a line of Oher, Grubbs, Birk, Chester, and Yanda to start the season. I don’t see Oher moving from the left side, as much as we all think he should (and without Gaither there’s no one to replace him anyway). I think that one of Harewood or Reid may start by the end of the year, kicking Yanda back to guard and allowing Chester to be the blocking TE that he has been in the past.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a line of Oher, Grubbs, Birk, Chester, and Yanda to start the season
Wow I hope this does not happen. John Harbaugh said the Ravens mission was to improve the run game this year how can you improve the run game with the same type of weak o-line not playing at there strength because they playing in their original postion.
I think that one of Harewood or Reid may start by the end of the year, kicking Yanda back to guard and allowing Chester to be the blocking TE that he has been in the past.
Its good to be postive but you or I dont know how Harewood/Reid is going to pan out. I dont think the Ravens should put much faith in Harewood/Reid because they have not shown anything yet . I overall think that the Ravens should either try to bring gaither back or go with some other veteran because yanda and oher(who hasnt shown he yet that he is a good left tackle) playing out their orginal positin is just not going to cut it.
I could be wrong and love to be wrong but the Ravens should atleast sign a good veteran starter lt/rt for insurance.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Aside from Gaither,
is there a veteran that you want at tackle?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I remember reading today that we have been in contact with Gaither. I can’t find the source, but it was reputable (Aaron Wilson or someone like that). We may just be gauging his interest to return or what he expects to get, but I think we’ll make an offer on him to see if he bites.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Jazz, leave your emotions out of it
2008 was a long time ago… you can’t go back to 2008
The Ravens do not want Gaither… he is gone… byebye
There is no emotion in my statement that Gaither should be re-signed it is very logical.
I need you to stop using your emotion it seems like you are the one that is using emotions instead of clear logic. The Ravens offensive line was at its best with Gaither, Grubbs, Birk,Yanda,Oher and it was at its worst with Oher, Grubbs, Birk, Chester, Yanda. Im sure you are intelligent to sum up the idea that Gaither should be re-signed if not tell me who going to perform just as good or better?
The Ravens haven’t offered him anything because they don’t want him 2008?
way before the lockout the Ravens had contract talks with Gaither and his agent also with Josh Wilson and Chris Carr agent. If they didnt want him they wouldnt have had such conversation.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
typo because they are not playing in their original postion
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
You know, this offseason has been filled with a lot of stuff about Joe Flacco. Now I like the guy, but he seems to be getting really defensive a lot. Maybe its the constant questioning his ability or whatever, but he has been coming off a little whiny lately.
Now I hear that he “didn’t expect those cuts” while the Ravens have come out and said that we told him before time. With this, the front office calling him out a bit, not choosing to enter negotiations until after this season, firing his QB coach, it really seems like there is some hardcore miscommunication going on between the team and him. Maybe I am just reading too much into it, but something seems weird with that whole situation.
by Mstevens_Design on Jul 27, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Now I like the guy, but he seems to be getting really defensive a lot.
Maybe because everybody and their mother has been bagging on him all off-season, while all he’s done so far is play his ass off. I read earlier that he’s one of something like six quarterbacks in the history of the NFL to throw for 10,000 yards in his first three years. Flacco probably feels like he’s taking crazy pills, and I can’t blame him at all for being defensive.
Now I hear that he "didn’t expect those cuts" while the Ravens have come out and said that we told him before time.
When I read his reaction, I assumed it was in reaction to being notified of the cuts by the Front Office. As you said, I think you’re reading too much into it.
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