Ravens' Rice Has Good Reason To Criticize Hines Ward
by Bruce Raffel on Jul 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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The recent spat of words between Baltimore Ravens RB Ray Rice and Pittsburgh Steelers safety Ryan Clark over WR Hines Ward's arrest for driving under the influence (DUI) had a serious background to what started it in the first place. Rice's cousin was killed by a drunk driver over a dozen years ago, according to a story on NFL.com, referencing an article by the Baltimore Sun.
Rice is also a spokesperson in Maryland in a state-sponsored commercial against drunk driving. His own personal experience makes the topic one that he has every right to be outspoken on and had Clark known about Rice's family tragedy, perhaps he would have just left it alone. Instead, he chose to respond, defending his teammate, which might have been admirable but certainly unnecessary had he be aware of the story behind Rice's comments.
Too often, players around the league are unwilling to tolerate another's comments, and use the media and especially Twitter to spout their venom towards their rivals, usually making more of a fool of themselves as they were attempting to do to their intended target. Once again, another member of the Pittsburgh Steelers makes just one more poor decision in the off season, joining Ward and James Harrison in the "think-before-you-speak-doghouse."
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Ward is good WR and a dirty player
The toughest player in the league “when no one is looking”
Surprised the p.o.s isn’t smiling. Guess you don’t when you are a criminal.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
Can we drop this already?
I didn’t see Rice calling out Stallworth or Kindle….
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by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well I have no idea what Rice thinks about Kindle, but he seems to think that Stallworth has paid for his actions.
Rice said Ward could learn from Ravens wide receiver Donte’ Stallworth. It was two years ago when Stallworth killed a Miami construction worker with his car while driving under the influence of alcohol. He served 24 days in jail and was suspended from the NFL for a year.
“He will tell you that his mistakes would never, ever wish that on nobody,” Rice said. “He is very remorseful for that, and I believe in second chances. And he will never make that mistake again.”
by Erin W on Jul 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would he call out a teammate in public
that’s retarded
See James Harrison, lol.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"You ain't Peyton Manning... you just get paid like him"
If that doesn’t cause lingering problems, nothing will.
Thanks, James!
WHy would you compare the Ward case to the Stallworth case?
go read about what happened, how it happened, and where it happened… and then read about Stallworth’s actions in the aftermath of the accident… the immediate aftermath and his behavior since then…
and come back and compare his case with Ward’s case. I can’t wait to hear the resutls
Stallworth had 2 drinks, took a nap, woke up to drive home at 6am and a guy walked out in front of his car in the middle of the highway. Every witness there said no person would have been able to avoid the guy.
Ward blew well over the legal limit after hopping his car on a curb.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
Wait, what?
Sources say Stallworth blew a 0.12 after the accident. Ward blew a .126.
Ignorance is bliss
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My mistake. They both suck, how about that.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
They’re both stupid and jerks for D&Ding
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF is your problem? I wasn’t “comparing” the two, just stating that Stallworth has had a DUI as well. And even if I were to “compare” them, how would I weigh Stallworth’s actions afterwards to Ward’s? Donte went to jail for 24 days, whereas it hasn’t even been 24 days since Ward’s arrest.
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by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So, it is okay to driver over the legal limit as long as you are remorseful afterward? Let me know what the cop thinks of that when you get pulled over.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey clueless Pitt dude... Ward denied driving while impaired
That’s part of why he’s a douche
Hey clueless Balt dude…both consciously climbed behind the wheel intoxicated. Neither one is more responsible or less guilty than the other. Both are douches for putting other people in danger.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know Ward consciously drove while intoxicated?
He denies it… if you have info pertaining to his guilt, his attorney would like you to stfu and we’d like to hear all about it…
go on
I’m assuming that he was conscious when he lifted his hand and put the alcoholic drink to his lips. I am also assuming he was conscious when he then swallowed the alcohol. That might be a leap of faith, but I think it is more reasonable than believing he was unconscious and someone was pouring drinks down his gullet.
How does everyone know that Casey Anthony killed her child? Because we are not fools and we can make logical conclusions.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s called an analogy or a comparison of two things. It is used, in this case, to give you a tangible comparison of my point. If it is too hard to grasp, forget it, it isn’t necessary to understand my point.
You were saying (and I’m not sure why it was relevant by the way) that I cannot know that Ward consciously drove while intoxicated. What we do know: he was intoxicated (via the breathalizer) and he was behind the wheel. So, you would be suggesting one of two things: he did not consciously consume the alcohol or he was not conscious while driving. I think it is a safe conclusion bridge to cross that he was consciously driving intoxicated.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for explaining all of that complicated stuff
Now what do we make of the real issue… Ward’s denial
I’m not defending it. I’m just saying that Stallworth isn’t any better of a person just because he was remorseful afterward. He drank alcohol and then drove, just like Ward.
I think the biggest reason Steelers fans are annoyed with Rice is because he only came out and said something because it is Hines Ward and he is a Steeler. There was nothing on his twitter about Kindle or Stallworth when their stuff went down. He only came out and said something about the latter when he was relating it to Ward’s situation.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Bandwagon fans are annoyed often.. no one cares
Stall is no longer a Raven but he is a much better man than Ward. Even you can’t deny that… or maybe you can
Kindle is a Rice teammate… Ravens handle team issues in-house, unlike yinz
but he is a much better man than Ward.
I don’t know about all that. Do you say this because of Ward’s actions on the field? Because I can’t recall anything before this that made me think Ward was a bad person.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
5 light beers can cause a blood alcohol level of .1, maybe Ward was denying that while his BAC was quite high, he wasn’t impaired.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
Maybe that's it
He was drinking light beer and he only had 63 of them?
If that’s the case, I retract
Anyone who is a regular drinker knows how you feel after 4 or 5 beers, especially if you just had a large meal. Sometimes it does little effect even if your BAC says differently.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
When I got my “drunk in public”, aka under age, I would have swore I wasn’t drunk. I think I blew a 0.14 something
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of us were dumb underage kids drinking beer...
we had no idea what we were doing
Ward is a grown ass man… he knows exactly what he’s doing… no comparison
I was 20 at the time.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but this is categorically false
and no one who’s had 4 or 5 beers should eat a burrito and drive…
Do you know either Ward or Stallworth personally? How can you even begin to comment on who they are as a person? Not that I really care, because they are not my friends, but I am just saying. Ward is the better player and, when it comes down to it, that is all that really matters.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said that? I’m saying that is all that matters to fans. Being a good person doesn’t win football games. Its a bonus if they are a great person, but I won’t give a poop that Ward had a DUI if he scores a TD against you all next year.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy, you all are jumping to ridiculous conclusions today. I am not living my life by that motto. That is how I root for my football team. I just want them to win. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter if that team is made of saints or demons (trust me EVERY NFL team has both), because I am not bringing these guys to dinner with my family or hanging out with them on the weekends.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ok fair enough, that's fine
But don’t defend him and say he’s a great guy and it was one event. That’s all I’m saying.
I honestly don’t know him, so I can’t comment on what type of guy he is. I do know, that he founded 2 or 3 charities and spends the majority of his off season doing charity events. And this was one event. Unless you have other instances that he broke the law?
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree somewhat, but I also think Rice might have came out and said what he said because of the player Ward is. That is a possible HOF player who has been nothing but a role model for alot of Pittsburgh fans I am sure. I think it was more of Rice saying “come on man, you know better than to do that.”
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
hahaha I didn't get the books thing for a second
because i’m a huge idiot
by SibiGnana on Jul 21, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a reasonable perspective. And maybe Ward is denying everything to prevent tarnishing that persona he built up for so many years. Who knows?
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Which persona?
The great dancer or the cheap shot artist
either way, he got arrested for driving drunk and called the police officer a liar… not such a great guy, imho
You’re going backwards on that. He built up the persona as a good guy in Pittsburgh before this happened.
Also, you shouldn’t judge a lifetime on one event. It is ignorant.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, that is completely different than drinking and driving.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
"in Pitt" that's true
He’s a dirty player and a cheap artist to many players and to many fans
I’m not judging anyone… I’m making an inference as to what kind of person he is based on his actions
He is also a tremendous athlete and a good person to many players and fans. Why do you totally negate that?
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a dirty football player
You can focus on what a tremendous athlete he is… I’ll focus on the gigantic elephant in the room
You think he is a dirty football player. The majority of the league does not. When that poll was done, only 11% of the voters said he was.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Was the poll scientific?
Ed Reed said he told him to his face many times that he’s a dirty football player.
You know Ed Reed. Current Baltimore Ravens safety and future Hall of Famer.
That’s enough for me.
Scientific? It’s a sample poll. That’s what statisticians use to estimate what the majority believes. You’re not even making logical arguments anymore. Because Ed Reed said it, it is so? What?
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You're an expert on illogical arguments
I’m using an example from one of the game’s top players… he’s played 20 games against Ward. He is my expert opinion.
I don’t see how you can argue that with a random sampling
It’s actually pretty easy to argue with that random sampling. 1 vote is not statistically significant when you are talking about the opinion of 1700 players. 293 is, and only 11% of them voted Ward dirty.
James Harrison is one of the league’s top players. Would you take his opinion on anything?
And for the record, Reed has played against Ward 9 times, not 20.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
9 times? How is that possible? Ward was drafted in 99, Reed in 2002. Two games a year for 9 seasons, that is 18 give or take a few games because of injuries. Add on top of that playoffs.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
It's 15.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the list:
2 in ’02, 2 in ’03, 2 in ’04, 0 in ’05, 2 in ’06, 1 in ’07, 3 in ’08, 1 in ’09 and 2 in ’10. Not counting playoffs it would be 13.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn't possible
and he isn’t interested in the facts
He’s trying to mold facts to fit his conclusion instead of coming to a conclusion based on facts… and at this point, he’ll say pretty much anything to bolster his argument.
John, I know I can’t change your mind because it’s already made up… but I’ll take the word of the Hall of Famer with the squeaky clean record over your sampling
You are the one not interested in facts. You are just blindly taking one person’s opinion. It doesn’t matter if he is a hall of famer or not, that doesn’t make his opinion any more valuable that anyone else’s.
I am trying to look at the subject unbiased and you are just so anti-Steelers that you can’t even say think of Ward in any positive light.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A Pitt homer is calling me... what?
Reed’s opinion isn’t more valuable than anyone else’s?
Are you saying that with a straight face? Where is this poll you’re using as basis? Who are the respondents?
You’re drunk on the black&yellow kool-aid, buddy! Tasty stuff I bet!
No, his opinion is not more important than anyone else’s. Is it more important than Ray Lewis’s? I haven’t seen him claim Ward was dirty.
This is that poll. And they don’t tell you who voted…they never do.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Reed's opinion is much more important than anyone else's
He’s not just some random person with no incentive to vote yes or no in a random poll.
He is an NFL superstar who made a public statement about a player he knows very well.
If you can’t see the difference then we have to disagree.
I’m going with what Ed Reed says.
He also has been blown up by Ward on multiple occassions,
some of which may or may not have been ‘dirty.’ Regardless of whether or not Ward is actually a dirty player, Reed is going to think and say that he is.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So, a player involved in the most heated rivalry in the league, should be the judge and jury on a player on the opposite side of that rivalry? You don’t see any possible bias there?
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
According to your poll 296 players think Hines Ward is a dirty player
11% think he is the dirtiest player in the league.
What else do you have to say?
That's not exactly true.
296 players were surveyed, and 34-35 said he was the dirtiest player in the league. We have no insight as to what the other 262-263 players thought of Ward since they don’t discuss their poll beyond the results.
Were players asked to rank the dirtiest players? Or were they only asked for whom they thought to be the dirtiest?
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
296 players were asked who was the dirtiest player in the league
That means 296 players agree that he’s dirty.. and 11% of them think he is the dirtiest
How exactly do you come to that conclusion?
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to know too
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's too busy being snide and acting superior to explain his side.
As for your poll, you got it completely confused. Go look at it again and see if you can find your error.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm waiting.
I’m honestly interested in how I misread this poll. You keep posting, but none of your post include an explanation.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Step by step
What is the nature of the poll… you go first
How about we skip the part where you talk down to me and explain your interpretation.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not talking down to you... don't be such a pansy
The poll is about who is the DIRTIEST
They don’t ask whether respondents think a player is dirty or not.. they ask which player you think is MORE DIRTY
Hines Ward got the most votes… more than Fat Albert and some notorious cheap shot artists and pile jabbers.
All 296 think he is dirty.. and 11% of them think he is dirtier than Mawae, Fat Albert, Porter, and the other dude.
Now what was your interpretation?
Ndukwe even said that Ward is a "blind side cheap artist"
and Ndukwe is never in the news for his mouth… unlike Ward
I don’t know how you can even argue this…
Where are you getting that all 296 think he is dirty?
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your interpretation, don't yet agree.
The way I see it, 296 NFL players were asked whom they thought was the dirtiest player in the NFL. 34-35 said Ward, about half that said Haynesworth and Porter and so on.
I don’t see how you can say that all 296 think he is dirty (nor can I say that not all 296 think he is not dirty) without more information about the poll. As such, I won’t use it as evidence that Ward is dirty.
That said, it doesn’t mean that I don’t think Ward is dirty, but I also realize that my view is biased by the fact that I absolutely fucking hate Hines Ward.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't expect you to agree... your mind is made up
The poll only asks one question… who do you think is dirtiest.. there isn’t room for interpretation.
I don’t hate him.. I’ve just seen him put dirty hits on people… break jaws.. end seasons…
I also know what goes around comes around.
35 people saying they think Ward is the dirtiest doesn't mean the other 250+ think Ward is dirty.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Then how can you infer that
All 296 think he is dirty
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm done with you, O
you don’t respond to anything I say… you just say whatever you want
which is cool.. in some weird hitchcockian sort of way..
peace brotha!
Now you are just making things up.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Your sample is biased since Reed only plays Ward in games in which the Ravens play the Steelers.
Games which are notoriously hard-hitting, and more than likely a little dirty. Perhaps Ward brings his ‘dirty’ game only against the Ravens, then Reed’s opinion would be incomplete.
A sample of players from every other team would avoid such a scenario.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Also,
Reed is probably still a bit upset about the nasty block Ward laid on him when he wasn’t looking ~5 years ago.
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Go watch the video and then come back and tell me it was a block
Ward ia a dirty football player… you may not want to admit it but that doesn’t change the reality…
Sorry, Pro-football-reference does their game log stuff all screwed up. It’s 15.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes more sense.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
People like Stephens who continue to defend Ward are scumbags. God forbid anyone criticize anything that has to do with that organization, even when it’s completely justified. Had it been a Raven who was issued a DUI, Stephens and the rest of the inbred bandwagoner trolls wouldn’t be able to keep their mouths shut. What Ward and everyone else who drinks and drives do is completely irresponsible. Broken record…
I didn't know this was defending Ward:
They’re both stupid and jerks for D&Ding
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by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you ever took time to read my comments, you might look like less of a moron when you lay down comments like this. You are an idiot and I honestly don’t know why they put up with your shit here so often.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
At least I contribute some sort of football knowledge. You say the same damn shit over and over. The only things you contribute to this site are linking to other people’s ideas and then calling Steelers inbred trolls.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t contribute anything other apologies for the team you are a “fan” of. Your “football knowledge” is absolutely laughable. Even real Steeler fans think you’re a joke. And it takes a douche to know a douche.
Several of the main contributors to this website have said I contribute good conversation to this board. You’re the only one who is too big of a prick to have a civil conversation. That “laughable” football knowledge has gotten repped on ESPN and Sports Illustrated. How about you?
Also, please show me where these Steeler fans are that you are alluding to.
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by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re calling me a prick? Now that’s laughable. I guess you’re the pot and I’m the kettle. Having any sort of real conversation with you is pointless…
This isn't a real conversation
it’s the internet…
ok back to the name-calling!
Completely ignore the points where I, again, showed you are full of shit.
And how am I the prick when you are ALWAYS the one who comes after me with insults and the same stupid shit you say every time?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So you being the first to call me a prick doesn’t make you one as well? And now you’re telling me I’m full of shit? You’re right…it’s my fault. Sorry, BWT.
I’m glad you could admit it, you prick.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop responding to them John in the future, this is ruining the blog.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 21, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Scrolling through meaningless comments makes me not to want to read the comments anymore.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 21, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Go over to BTSC and call Pitt fans childish names
don’t do it here
As for your poll, you got it completely confused. Go look at it again and see if you can find your error.
Why not do it here? This douche is allowed to do it, so I will continue to serve it right back. If no one is getting warned/banned, why do I care?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jul 21, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If no one is getting warned/banned, why do I care?
That’s a good question. There are a couple people here who make it really hard to have a productive conversation with Steelers fans. Some of those same people even make it difficult to have a conversation with fellow Ravens fans. If you (the general “you,” not necessarily John Stephens specifically) can’t talk football without being denigrated without good reason, it lowers the quality of the blog as a whole. I don’t think anybody wants the Beatdown to turn into the unmitigated disaster that is the Sun Ravens forum.
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State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
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I don’t think anybody wants the Beatdown to turn into the unmitigated disaster that is the Sun Ravens forum.
Love that 18-87-44-29 guy who always posts there, funny Steelers fan. The Sun Forum used to be great a few years ago, much like this blog was when it was only about 12-15 guys posting on it.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
I think it's still a great blog...
there will be disagreements but there’s no place for calling someone “ignorant” or a “whatever”
That being said, the great majority of the commentary is high quality with reasonable analysis and insight
That being said, the great majority of the commentary is high quality with reasonable analysis and insight
Not lately, everywhere I look you and josh stein are arguing about stuff not related to football and forcing fans of other teams out of here. I’d love to take matters into my own hands and stop this, but I don’t have quite the authority Bruce does.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
I keep opposing fans on a short leash... particularly Pitt fans
I don’t think it’s fair to single me out and I’m glad you have no authority
Don’t single me out either, Malor. Just because you are a moderator and have friends who are Steeler “fans” that post here, doesn’t give you the right to lecture on what is right and wrong. I give enough insight on topics that have nothing to do with anything related to that degenerate franchise that happens to be the Ravens’ biggest rival. If somebody calls me a “prick” or anything else like that, I have the right to say something back.
Trolls, pricks and bandwagons…..as usual.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
I hope it picks up once the lockout ends. Maybe some of our resident malcontents are just going through withdrawal.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
Agreed. The overall quality of this blog has dropped dramatically. I remember having consistent debates with both our fans and others and while some get heated it was always respectable. I find myself not wanting to comment more and more because there really isn’t anything to debate about anymore and every thread looks nearly the same. Please let this lockout end.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-nfl-owners-expect-to-vote-on-tentative-deal-20110721,0,1757608.story
there’s much more info on twitter and google news
this is a 10 yr deal though… no opt outs
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