Harbaugh Still Ticked At Bears For Draft Day Trade Fiasco

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 20, 2011 3:00 PM EDT

Baltimore Ravens head coach John Harbaugh is still ticked off at the Chicago Bears for the failed trade in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. As it says in the story on NFL.com, he just "won't let sleeping Bears lie,"about the fiasco that culminated in the Ravens being passed over by the Kansas City Chiefs after they thought they had a trade with the Bears to drop back and getadditional picks. The full radio dialogue with these and other comments from Harbaugh is posted on Sports Radio Interviews.

Interesting thing about his willingness to level accusations at the Bears was that he was being interviewed on a Chicago radio station at the time. The Ravens were supposed to be sending their 26th pick in the first round to the Bears in exchange for their 29th selection and a fourth round pick. The Bears wanted Wisconsin offensive lineman Gabe Carimi, while the Ravens stated they still thought they could take Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith at the later pick in the first round.

Luckily, when the Chiefs bypassed the Ravens, they didn't take Smithand both teams ended up with the guys they wanted in the first place. However, Baltimore missed out on garnering an extra draft pick in round four, and Harbaugh is not buying the Bears comment that they just made a mistake, inferring Chicago purposely held up the trade and lied.

At least these two teams don't meet in 2011, so no bulletin board material for either team. Move along people, there's nothing else to see here....

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Wahhhhh

someone hand that gentleman a tissue

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

Dude, he was asked about it on a radio show. Its not like he’s putting up billboards and shit. If you were in his position, wouldn’t you call bullshit? Or would you just be a pushover and sugar-coat it?

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by StuckInUtah on Jul 20, 2011 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs

You're missing the point

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Obviously

Would you mind spelling it out for me then?

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by StuckInUtah on Jul 20, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Just read what I wrote without thinking what you think

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok. I reread it but I couldn’t stop thinking about how I shouldn’t think what I thought. What do you think?

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by StuckInUtah on Jul 20, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Haha! That should be your signature.

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Jul 21, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions

I was going to say something but its useless because you have a made up mind about Coach

John Harbaugh. I think you are at the point where if he was eating a cup cake and drinking a cup of hot tea with his pinky stuck out you will hate/dislike that or probably say he is such embarassment to the Ravens Organization.

What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 20, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

You were goign to say something... but it's useless...

so you went ahead and said something.

Jazz, everyone is entitled to an opinion… that includes you and it includes me. If you don’t like my opinions, that’s too bad. John Harbaugh is a whiner with a doghouse. According to him, the Raven “give” games to our opponents and the Bears are little rascals.

I would prefer he congratulate our opponents on their victory and focus his attention on taking a more dispassionate approach to personnel while ensuring that our offense is being properly implemented. I’d prefer that he let his bosses handle the PR when it comes to the Bears, especially since the Ravens were involved in a similar situation not too long ago.

I know none of this makes sense to you and I’m ok with that. We’re all entitled to our opinions, Jazz… some of us even use facts to support them.

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

The whole league and its writers acknowledge the Bears royally fucked up that deal in trade day. There’s no “victory” to congratulate them on. He was asked about it on a Chicago radio station and gave his opinion. This has nothing to do with Harbaugh’s overall attitude as a coach.

by JoshuaStein on Jul 20, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

It has everything to do with his overall attitude

The fact that writers agree with your viewpoint doesn’t make them right and the victories to which I was referring were the “giveaways”

The draft gaffe is the oldest trick in the book… plenty of teams have done it, including our team.

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Uhh, no, I don’t believe we’ve ever agreed upon a trade, let the clock run out before reporting the trade, and then said it was a simple “mistake.” It was more than just a gaffe, buddy. And it doesn’t happen every year.

by JoshuaStein on Jul 20, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions

We did with Minny in 2002 I think

not sure why your panties are all bunched up…

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

happening in 2002 is not every year and was actually a different situation. I believe we tried calling to confirm the trade, but they used less phones back then or something and we could never get through. After that year they put more phones in to prevent that from happening again.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Jul 20, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sure in our case it was a technical problem

because we’d never do something sneaky, would we?

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

It rarely happens but it does happen

and we were on the other side in 2002

I’m not sure why you guys pretend you’re smart and then pretend you’re dense… whenever it’s convenient.

We did the same thing to Minny 10 years ago… and this issue is done and over with so why is our HC stupid enough to bitch & whine about it 90 days after it happened?

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions

He was asked about it and then responded. I swear you are like the shadow’s alter ego or something. You think you know all and are always right. Then when you respond to people you attack them or try to make them feel inferior and then complain how people are attacking you and acting like you didn’t do anything. Just give it a rest.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Jul 21, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

I don't think very highly of you either

99% of your posts are you restating what other people have said and agreeing with them… no inference or insight

Harbaugh needs to talk about football and stop the complaining…. I don’t care who asks him a question, he doesn’t have to answer it.

He embarrassed us when he said we “gave” games away… I know you don’t get it and that’s cool but don’t tell me I need to give it a rest because you don’t understand.

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I understand you completely. You have a major ego and for some reason think you know a lot more than you actually do. I completely agree with Harbaugh because we did give games away. We were up two TD’s against the Steelers and even one TD is hard to come by in those games. If you watched the whole interview you would also hear him giving a lot of credit to the Steelers as well as saying how much he respects them, but like you do hear you only pick out phrases you want to hear and then try to twist them for your argument.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

I don't have a major ego... and I don't think I know more than I do

I do know that the Ravens FO did something very similar not too long ag and our HC likes to complain…

We didn’t give games away and if you think we did, you’re just plain stupid. No one gives games away… games are won and lost. PERIOD.

And finally, he hasn’t said it in one interview… he’s said it in seven interviews… this giving games away shit may be ok with you.. and it may be ok with you to tell me I’m an asshole and a know it all but it isn’t ok with me.

Get your facts straight before you try to set me straight…. especially if you’re going to tell someone they have an ego because nothing says “i think im hot shit” than getting in the middle of an argument where you have no business and showing you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about…

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Av23 dont respond to him man its worthless the guy is entitled to his

opinion and we all know he sticks with his opinion no matter what. I think it usesless to respond to a person that think when they wrong they are still right and talks as if you are mentally enable to comprehend anything where he is coming from. I will honestly no longer respond to him because he obviously has no class and is very disrespectful and also a wierdo

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 21, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions

The person who calls people names is the one who has no class

don’t take it so personally.. if the shoe fits, wear it with style

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

the person who calls people names?

In this very thread you called me a bozo.

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 22, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

The shadow actually is a pretty cool guy. He just gets on flacco a lot, but he never gets personal with it like some other guys do, lol

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 22, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I’m not sure why you guys pretend you’re smart and then pretend you’re dense… whenever it’s convenient.

you are very ignoranct and I agree with Av23 you seem to be shadow alter ego and I wouldnt be surprised if you were him/ his relative. I think you are a total nut case and I dont mean that in a disrespectful way but thats just my opinon.

When I say you a nut case I mean you are very crazy over yourself and anything that come from your mouth has to be true. I think its sad but it is what it is.

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 21, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Jazz, I think many things about you but I won't share them here

again… You are entitled to your opinion about me

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I bet you do oh know it all Evan Skev :)

stay thristy

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

You think you're cute... I don't think you're cute

Watch your mouth

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I was going to say something but its useless because you have a made up mind about Coach John Harbaugh. I think you are at the point where if he was eating a cup cake and drinking a cup of hot tea with his pinky stuck out you will hate/dislike that or probably say he is such embarassment to the Ravens Organization.

When I said I was going to say something I meant in a reference of you being wrong about John Harbaugh matter of the bear trade snafu.

Jazz, everyone is entitled to an opinion… that includes you and it includes me. If you don’t like my opinions, that’s too bad.

all I have to say is didnt I already said you have made up mind about John Harbaugh and its useless to even to try to change your opinion on the matter.

John Harbaugh is a whiner with a doghouse. According to him, the Raven "give" games to our opponents and the Bears are little rascals

I sense so much anger just let it go Evan go to John Harbuagh and cry on his shoulders and let him know how you really feel.

would prefer he congratulate our opponents on their victory and focus his attention on taking a more dispassionate approach to personnel while ensuring that our offense is being properly implemented. I’d prefer that he let his bosses handle the PR when it comes to the Bears, especially since the Ravens were involved in a similar situation not too long ago

first off lets me say wow .It seems like you have lots of anger lol but all jokes aside I have seen countless of interviews where John Harbaugh has giving opposing teams respect by either saying they are a good team and etc. If John Harbaugh felt like we gave the game away then thats just how he felt because I felt the same way when we lost against the steelers if that is not giving the game away then I dont know what is. I dont think thats a disrespect to the steelers when he said that and if you think so then so be it.

I know none of this makes sense to you and I’m ok with that. We’re all entitled to our opinions, Jazz… some of us even use facts to support them.

why when I read this I get the feeling that you think Im not intelligent enough to comprehend anything you say or anything at all. If I am right then you are a hypocrite because you talking about how John Harbaugh should show respect to other teams but you not even showing respect to a fellow Ravens fan. I think your whole opinion on Harbuagh is ignorant and thats just my opinion on the matter esspecailly when you calling the guy a cry baby if you sit and listen to the interview you will hear that he was ask a question about the trade snafu and he shared his opinion on the matter also at the end of his statement he said it doesnt matter any more because both teams got the player they wanted.

It was not like John Harbuagh jump in the interview saying hey before we start let me share my opinon on the bear trade snafu but instead what happen was he was ask by the radio host how he felt on the matter.

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 20, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions

wow I mess that up terribly oh well lol

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 20, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah it's unreadable

remember… your opinion is just an opinion especially when you only substantiate with more opinions.

thanks

by Evan Skev on Jul 20, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Why does it seem like you talk down to people? And for somebody who’s so adamant about wanting “facts”, how come I have yet to see any “facts” from you on the whole Harb’s saved Cam’s job theory you constantly refer to?

"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR

by StuckInUtah on Jul 20, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

It seems like he talks down to people because that’s what he does

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 20, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

Post some examples, jack

And why aren’t you busy protecting my Constitutional rights? Get off the internet, bozo

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

this may come as a shock to you

But soldiers who aren’t currently deployed—as well as many who are—do use the internet to pass the time.

As far as examples are concerned, the comment I’m replying to serves as a fine example.

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 22, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Stuck, I don't know why you think a lot of the things you do...

but you’re welcome to point out some examples. Can’t wait…

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Well for starters

How about telling someone “I know you don’t understand this” before you even give the guy a chance to read your incoherent ramblings.

"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR

by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

It's obvious he doesn't understand...

not sure why you got that stuck up your ass

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions

You are by far the most stubborn, hypocritical, “holier than though” mentality type of person I have ever come across on this blog. I respect your opinions Evan, I really do. But you obviously have a problem with showing that same kind of respect towards others.

"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR

by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You should watch your mouth

and this isn’t about me.. it’s about Harbaugh giving games away and complaining about shit when he should be keeping his mouth shut

You’re stubborn… you’re hypocritical… you’re holier than “though”
whatever that means…

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh shit

Someone call the grammar police. You know what I meant, but thanks for pointing that out.

"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR

by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

See... the thing is I don't know what you mean

and I don’t think you know what you mean either…

Harbaugh should stick to football instead of giving games away and complaining about BS

Do you get what I’m saying?

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I sure do

I may disagree, but I know what you’re saying. And let spell out my comment for you.

You’re stubborn: Your opinion is your pinion, and NOTHING that anyone says will ever change that, no matter how logical what they say may be.

You’re hypocritical: You call people out for verbally attacking you, and then turn around and call them idiots, morons, etc.

Your “holier than thou” mentality: You act as if you know so much more than anyone else on this site. You talk down to people, often treating them as if they’re to stupid to possibly comprehend what you’re saying. The things you’ve said to Jazz on this thread are a perfect example of this.

"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR

by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

You still haven't told me why my opinion is wrong

or why you think you have the right to try to pigeonhole me

Harbaugh is whiny.. he claims we give games away… he hasn’t done it once or twice.. it’s a pattern

I’ve told you where you’re wrong… tell me where I’m wrong without resorting to namecalling… especially namecalling with incorrect “grammar”

and stop minding Jazz’ business.. he is a grown man

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m not referring to a specific opinion where I feel you’re wrong, just going off of some of the things I’ve seen from you over the past couple of months. You think Harbaugh is “whiny”, and I don’t. Its a matter of OPINION, there’s really no way to distinguish who is wrong or right in this case, its really all about perspective.

I got nothing but respect for you Evan, even if I disagree with some of your views and the way you talk to people. So I’d like to end this little “shitstorm” right now. Feel free to get the last word in here, I won’t hold it against you.

"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR

by StuckInUtah on Jul 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I doubt you respect a man if you can call them names

the two don’t go together

I don’t take any of this personally…

so here’s the last word

tergiversation

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

by that rationale

If someone said that you have a huge ego, and you objected to it (as you did), they would be able to defend their statement by saying, “its obvious he has a huge ego. Not sure why you got that stuck up your ass.”

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Since Jazz’s comment is “unreadable” Evan, here’s the Cliffs notes version in blunt:

You are an asshole and it is annoying.

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Jul 21, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

I laughed

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You talk about how everyone is entitled to an opinion and then turn around and act like jazz is a total idiot for expressing his own. All he’s doing is stating that he disagrees with you, and you start off with that “I know none of this makes sense to you…”

Come on man

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 20, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs

I don't know why you keep making personal attacks on me

then again, I don’t care.. so it’s all good.

If Jazz has something to say, let him say it… I don’t think some things make sense to him and he says it himself. Why do you think you need to police discussions?

by Evan Skev on Jul 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

I agree with everything that has been said by others and that is you make it seem like other ravens fans are not intelligent enough to comprehend what you are saying or atleast not at your level of intelligence. Im sure you are very intelligent but you talk/write so stupid I have never in my life seen some one be so full of there selves that they will accept stupidity/ ignorance because they are not williing to be correct that they were wrong.

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Jul 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions

You are a delicate flower if you consider that comment a personal attack. Haha you are really something else man.

"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."

by jackmca on Jul 22, 2011 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

Love that photo at the top of the page

Is it just me, or does it scream “WTF Mate!?” in an Australian accent?

Comical!

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions

“You over cooked my shrimp on the barbe!”

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Jul 21, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions