Tuesday's "Cup of Joe"
by Zachary Beard on Jun 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
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"First, Foxworth has had to rehab his right knee for the rigors of left cornerback, while at the same time helping out on the homefront with a newborn baby as his wife finished up at law school. Oh, yeah, and then he made sure he sat in on every labor meeting of significance in the offseason, a cause for which he is more than equipped. His voice is respected on both sides of the table."
Ravens' LB 'rock-solid' thanks to conditioning program - Carroll County Times:
Intent on building a more explosive, harder-hitting body, it appears that Baltimore Ravens starting inside linebacker Jameel McClain has succeeded in his goal.There's literally less of him this offseason having lost more than 10 pounds since last season and a significant amount of body fat.
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"I expect him to expect that and I would be disappointed if he didn’t expect that," Harbaugh said in a recent interview with 1090 WBAL Radio. "Like everybody else, Torrey’s going to have to earn his stripes, earn his spot. He’s going to compete for everything he gets, and that’s why we drafted him. I think he’s that kind of guy."
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Glad to hear about Jameel getting more lean and trying to be an every down player. We need stability next to Ray and Jameel looks like he isn’t giving up that spot to anyone. Also love that Ngata dropped weight which should help him even more to create pressure. Torrey definitely will see the field early because we need that speed to stretch the field and keep the defense honest. I love his approach to the game and hope he has a big impact for us this year. He could be the missing link to get us over the hump.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
God I hope you’re right. I’m sick of playing second fiddle to Pittsburgh. I love the rivalry, and I have much respect for their organization, but its time to put all this Flacco-bashing to bed.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Captain Obvioius
Anymore insight you’d care to share with us?
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok cool wisdom is stong with this one go job young grass hopper- in yoda from stars wars voice
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
typo good job
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
specificity win
Because I thought you meant Yoda from Gilligans Island
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 28, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought
For a little while there that he was referring to Yoda from Sanford & Son.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol no from Star wars
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
I’m sure we’ll think of something, be patient.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 28, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t have excuses last year either.
Not many playoff teams do.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 28, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're welcome to your opinion
and I’m thrilled that you were happy with last season.
Steve Bisciotti was not… many, many fans were not… I was not… and Harbaugh had the nerve to say that we “gave” games away.
You’re welcome to your opinion but try to remember not to believe everything you think.
Well overall what Harbaugh said was true we did give games away and we lost
to the steelers in the playoffs by giving them the game with a fumble by ray rice, Joe Flacco Interception, Anquan Boldin drop pass, and T.J Housmanzadeh drop pass. You been blaming the coaches for the ravens down fall but we went 12-4 with a messed up o line, not so great secondary, lots of new faces that Joe Flacco hasnt develop a chemistry with on offense, and Defense lack of consistent pressure towards the quarterback other than Terrell Suggs. If a team goes 12-4 and goes to playoffs then I can’t see how that is not motivated by good coaching esspecailly with the problems the Ravens had .
I really dont care what happen last season because it over but if you look at that playoff game against the steelers you can’t say that was the coaches fault because players had every opportunity to capitalize on good play calling but didn’t. Ray Lewis even said so him when ask why we lost to the steelers “that you cant turn over the ball” and thats what offense did turn over the ball and had lack of execution.
I respect your opinion but if you truly feel like you know whats best for the Ravens right now; I encourage you to go to the Ravens front office and try to become either there offensive coordinator or head coach and please please please please get us to the super bowl and can I get your autograph once you do :)
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
You're all over the place...
There is no such thing as “giving” a game. Anyone who thinks so is wrong and anyone who says so is stupid. I have no problem with you liking what the coaching staff is doing. I think you’re absolutely wrong but you’re entitled to your opinion.
There’s never much substance to your postings… you either “like” or “dislike” without supporting your opinion with facts.
Our secondary turned out to be pretty good last season.
The playoffs are only a small part of the season. I do not blame coaches for individual plays. I do not blame the coaches for turnovers or dropped balls. I blame them for having doghouses and using inappropriate personnel in improper schemes. I blame them for taking an unnecessarily conservative position on offensive play-calling, scheme implementation, and personnel usage.
You’re welcome to my autograph! Send me your address and I’ll mail it to you.
12-4 doesn’t tell the whole story but it’s convenient to keep bringing up the record. 12-4 but the OC was a goner if not for the lockout and a friend in a high position who wanted to keep him around. 12-4 and we “gave” away how many games?
If you dont get what Im saying and Im all over the place then I thank god you are not
my english teacher.I have said before there is somethings that the coaching staff need to improve on but in your view you dont think they are good at all.
There’s never much substance to your postings… you either "like" or "dislike" without supporting your opinion with facts
.
When have you ever provide any factual substances that actrally make sense. No disrespect but you sometimes state things that dont make sense and when somebody comes at you with knowledgeable information you back off/try to make it seem like the person you having a discussion with is stupid.
12-4 but the OC was a goner if not for the lockout and a friend in a high position who wanted to keep him around. 12-4 and we "gave" away how many games.
Al I want to know from that message is where is your proof that John Harbaugh would not have been back with the Ravens if it wasn’t for the lockout I understand your reason for Cam Cameron to be fired but overall you not making sense or providing factual information that back up your statement. if you actrally work for the Ravens then that will be understandable but I bet you don’t
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
Jazz, you don't need an English teacher...
you need a football teacher
also, I never said Harbaugh was going to be fired but it’s common knowledge that Cameron was saved…by the lockout bell and Harbaugh’s support. Jim Zorn was the odd man out…much to Flacco’s dismay.
I support everything I say… you support your opinions with your opinions and that’s fine with me. No worries but at least try to quote me correctly instead of writing anything you want… be accurate!
you are very full of yourself to the point you wont accept that you are wrong/ listen to reason.
you support your opinions with your opinions and that’s fine with me
you keep saying that all I do is post just my opinions and back it up with more opinions; if thats the case what are you doing because I have yet to see you provide factual information to back up your statements/opinions.
I support everything I say
Im sure you do and when you are wrong you are still right because you are Mr. Evan no matter what I say it is right Skev.
and I don’t understand the head coach "growing" or "learning"
So you telling me that a head coach cant learn/grow while on the job? if so then Head Coaches most be programmed with a head coach computer chips in their brain because I cant see how a head coach that hasn’t have previous experience as a one come in and automatically be a great leader right off the back. Leaders/coaches have to grow/learn all the time. The patriots head coach Bill Belichick wasnt always great as a head coach like he is now he is a way better head coach than he was as in cleveland and if you dont beleive me click here
overall what do i know I ’m just a dummy with opinions and thats all :)
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
Jazz I feel u haha
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thank you i really appreciate it lol
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
You have an issue with putting words in peoples mouths. I never said, or even suggested, that I was satisfied with last season.
Harbaugh was right. We did give games away, which is unnacceptable. But since seem to think he should be fired—and I don’t want to put words in your mouth but it sounds like that’s what you’re getting at—who do you think would be a better choice for us?
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Harbaugh was not right and it was embarrassing for the Ravens org
it’s a stupid thing to think and ridiculous to say…
ok
If that’s your opinion.
But you ignored my question
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
now why would you do that
Unless you didn’t have a good answer
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
because it's a stupid question and you're not interested in exchanging ideas
you want to bait, switch, and make personal attacks… not worth the time
Personal attacks? You’re the one that seems to be going overboard just because people disagree with you. Not every argument can be defended with facts, especially when we’re discussing what went on with the coaching staff (which last time I checked is pretty much behind the scenes stuff). So quit being a hypocrite and lashing out at people just because their opinion differs from yours.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 29, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
see there you go
You act like anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and then once your logic backs itself into a corner you declare yourself to be above whoever you perceive to be attacking you—whether they’re too immature for you or not intelligent enough for you seems to be something you can opt between on a case by case basis. Jazz is too stupid, I’m too childish, okay. We see how it is.
I never personally attacked you. I said your logic “sucked assholes” or something to that effect but I never presumed myself to be above you as you have to many others in your short time here.
And whatever you mean by baiting and switching is lost on me. I was pretty sure I was actually just trying to have an exchange of ideas and better understand your poorly articulated opinion of Harbaugh and what we should do with him.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m afraid I have to go with everyone else as well Evan. You keep talking about others personally attacking you, but you keep saying that anybody who thinks this way is stupid or an idiot and all that. I’m with you that the coaching staff has some problems and I feel Cam should be gone, but we definitely did give some games away. That Steelers game was all on the players. I think Cam will really be on the hot seat this year and must show improvement to keep his job, but Harbaugh is definitely a good coach and I don’t see him going anywhere anytime soon.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I don't mind you choosing sides...
and I think you’d be a fool to spend your time reading through all of this BS and try to see who’s right…
I’m not saying they are right as far as the argument, but when it comes to you attacking anybody who disagrees with you. You keep mentioning personal attacks, but your the only one who is attacking anyone. Nothing wrong with people having a different opinion then yours.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I think its apparent from all 3 of our responses that we have read through the “BS”. Take it for what its worth, everyones entitled to their own opinion. Its just sad to call someone “stupid” or “childish” simply because they feel differently then you.
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 29, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Final thing on Harbaugh
he chopped Zorn off at the knees and saved Cameron. I don’t understand why people think Cameron is going to change his stripes. He’s been like this for years. And I don’t understand why people don’t see a correlation between Cam’s performance and Harbaugh’s job security. Cameron is Harbaugh’s boy… will Bisciotti bump his head and forget that in a year?
and I don’t understand the head coach “growing” or “learning”
There is no on the job training in NFL head coaching… you may perfect your craft and learn some new tricks but the last place a HC should be learning how to be a HC is… as a HC.
Finally, regarding personal attacks… you can’t come back with a straight face and deny that telling someone their logic “sucks this or that” is an attack on them… while promptly issuing a personal attack in your next statement. If you do it, own up to it or retract it but don’t deny it.
And I never said Harbaugh needs to be fired… so I don’t feel I should choose his replacement. I think it’s a stupid question… You may not agree with what I’m saying and I respect that but you have a responsibility to keep your questions relevant to the argument or communication breaks down… it’s very basic stuff. No magic.
So you’ll see some of my opinions supported with some facts… and you’ll see how I point out where the personal attack occurred and why it has no place in a debate… and you may not agree with everything I say and that’s a good thing because it encourages discussion… anything else isn’t making you look smart and, as we all know, winning an internet argument gets you… what exactly?
stay thirsty, my friends
Just one quick question for you, and then I’m done with this discussion. This “fact” that you’ve supplied where you suggest it was Harbaugh who chose to bring back Cameron and let Zorn go, can you please point me out to where this is a stated “fact”….
"I hate your sig…" -Mr MaLoR
by StuckInUtah on Jun 29, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure why I bother because I doubt you’ll even read this but here goes.
I told you your logic sucked a thousand assholes, which apparently offended you. I DID own up to that, now for a second time. If you take that as a personal attack, that sounds like a personal problem. You could tell me a million times that my opinion on harbaugh is asinine and it wouldn’t bother me but what does is when you pretend to be the better man in a simple conversation about football. Get it straight brother, you don’t know me.
Then if you feel like me telling you that you’re the one acting condescending—which 2 others on this thread and many others on other threads have agreed with—is yet another attack on your character, then maybe you take this stuff a bit too personally.
See, I wasn’t sure if you were saying that harbs needed to be fired—which is why I indicated in my comment that that SEEMED to be your jist although you hadn’t come out and said it—so I aplogize for misunderstanding what you never made clear in the first place.
Finally, as jazz and AV have both said, your opinion on Cam having been as good as gone has never been supported by any “fact” but only by your assertion that it was “common knowledge” in the first place. Shame on us for not having the inside connects that you do. Whenever you actually do get a hold of those “facts” you speak of is fine with us.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 8:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude, read your comments over again.
The “most interesting man in the world” would not make your comments.
stay thirsty, my friends
by MrPoopyPants on Jun 30, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Harbaugh is our coach and will be for a long time. We could not win a Superbowl for the next 5 years and he will still be our coach. What he has done is unheard of in NFL history, yet a few here are fine with getting rid of him and starting alllllllllllllllllllll over again.
Not gonna happen Evan, sorry to tell you. I feel bad that you will be rooting for a guy that you want gone the next 10 years.
Flacco's first 3 years vs. Brady's, Manning's and Brees' first 3 years
Flacco threw for just 21 fewer passing yards than Brady and tossed four fewer interceptions. Flacco threw for 1,655 more yards than Brees, two more touchdowns and four fewer picks. Manning, who averaged 88 more passes per season, threw for way more yards and touchdowns than Flacco, but also tossed 24 more interceptions.
Looking back
It’s like feeling the pain of all the Dolphin fans looking for a super bowl victory, despite all the unheard of things Marino did. Ask those Dolphin fans if they wouldn’t trade all those unheard of Marino records for one super bowl victory with Doug Williams.
I feel like we could win a superbowl with flacco and you’d be upset about it
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would love for you to go ask dolphins fans if they would trade Marino for Williams. It would be hilarious the responses you would receive.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about and now you bring up boxing. I’m done responding to your idiotic statements.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
How can any one know for sure if Mike Weaver was going to knock out John tate
until it happens overall its just a guess not fact. I can say Mike Tyson will knock out will smith but I really dont know for sure I just said that because Tyson is bigger than Will Smith and has more football experience but that dont mean it will happen. This goes with Football no owner/fans/ player know if there team will make it to the super bowl you can make a statement that you will with all the talent you have but it’s still not a gurantee until it happens.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
For what its worth
(and if anyone still cares after that little group therapy session earlier in the thread…)
I don’t like at all what Harbaugh said about the Ravens giving some games away. That is very disrespectful to the opponents, who did what was necessary to win those games. I don’t care if you feel like you left some points on the field or a small error or two cost you the game, you just don’t come out and say that you gave the game away because that belittles your opponent.
I can’t imagine someone like Vince Lombardi or Bill Parcells or even – dare I say it – Mike Tomlin making a statement like that. Its a great example of poor sportsmanship.
For the record, I am not a Harbaugh basher. I think he has a passion for the game, he seems to be a good motivator, and his record so far speaks for itself. Sometimes he just gives media soundbytes that make me shake my head.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Harbaugh did say it which was true considering the leads we blew this last year, but he always gives credit to the opposing team as well. He always praises Pitt and how tough they are so I’m sure that quote was just a snippet of the entire conversation.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
wow
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
I can agree with that.
I do deep downn agree that we did actually give some games away, letting the other team back into it and whatnot, but to come out and say it is definitely not what you want
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 30, 2011 6:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Harbaugh is PC almost all the time. He always gives credit where credit is due. I have no problem with him voicing his opinion that our team could have performed better in crunch time. If that’s the worst bulletin board material he puts out there, fine by me.
He’s right anyway. We gave away the Pitt playoff game, the NE game, and a few others.
by MrPoopyPants on Jun 30, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The Houstan game too, but schaub gave it back
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 30, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm surprised anyone could agree with a coach saying we "gave a game away"
it’s wrong on so many levels…
it’s ok to have differing opinions though… in fact, it’s better than the alternative.
Here’s mine:
our HC and OC are two of the worst in the game and I expect that to be reflected in Ravens results as long as they’re in charge. It’s a bold statement that’s made in a language that can’t be misunderstood and is impossible to be parsed. You may not agree with me but I challenge you to make a fact-based, logical argument on why they will succeed. You cannot… you can use all the emotion you want but you can’t argue that they’re also-rans.
“Giving games away” — embarrassing to a proud franchise… more suitable for the high school football field.
Good luck to whoever thinks these two coaches will bring championships to Baltimore… that would be just fine with me.
If they’re two of the worst in the game then why don’t they have the worst winning percentages in the game?
Once again you’re the one using emotionally loaded language here, not us.
My fact based argument is that teams that consistently make the playoffs have an inherently larger number of opportunities to win a superbowl. See: indy, pittsburgh, new england. The only other team to make the playoffs as frequently as we do without winning a superbowl is Philly, and they’re putting themselves in a good position annually, as are we.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like the Iggles and Ravens comparison.
We’re the top of the second tier teams. The last few years we’ve been one or two players away from being top NFL team.
by MrPoopyPants on Jun 30, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I get a sense of anger from you Evan just let it out Evan I know its hard for you to not
see the Ravens in the super bowl last year but get over it(in dr.phill voice). I think what you post is overall your opinion not facts and I still dont see why you dont give John Harbaugh credit of being a good coach.You speak about the offense and how they should had use a west coast offense personal more but whats the purpose of that if the defense still know you will not beat them deep. If the defense knows this they will still play them in tight coverage and etc. I do beleive that cam cameron should had changed up his play calling style to more of a aggressive one but I have faith that things will change.
"Giving games away" — embarrassing to a proud franchise… more suitable for the high school football field.
All i got to say is I hope you got your suit / play book/football resume ready because when John Harburgh/Cam Cameron contract is up I want to see you go try out for the job because obviously you know alot about footbal and how to keep the dignity of a franchise.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
You may not agree with me but I challenge you to make a fact-based, logical argument on why they will succeed.
Our HC and OC have won every year so far:
2008 – 11-5 Reg Season; 2-1 Playoffs
2009 – 9-7 Reg Season; 1-1 Playoffs
2010 – 12-4 Reg Season; 1-1 Playoffs
I’m no Miss Cleo, but they’re set up to keep on winning in the future.
Now, I challenge you. Make a fact-based, logical arguement why they won’t keep on winning.
you gotta love it
He talks about how bad Harbaugh is and how well never win a ring with him, but when I ask him who he thinks should replace harbaugh he says that its a stupid question because he never said Harbaugh should be fired (only that he’s one of the worst in the game—but don’t fire him) so he shouldn’t have to choose his replacement.
That limits his commentary to basically, “harbaugh sucks, we will never win a superbowl, the end.”
Wait I’m sorry was that a “personal attack?” I guess when you’re dead wrong nobody is allowed to tell you as much or they’re bullying you.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jun 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm starting to think you're in your early 20s
gotta love it
I’m starting to think you have nothing else to contribute here.
Stay thirsty! Or whatever
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 1, 2011 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
great numbers
but no supporting evidence… roster, strength of schedule… etc…
and we’re in a division similar to the NFC west… that really helps our winning percentage
go forward and take a look at our 2011 schedule and give me a prediction of how many teams we should beat and why… how many games we will lose and why… and what would be an acceptable outcome based on roster and strength of schedule…
Evan just accept that you are wrong its nothing wrong with being wrong. you keep saying
provide informations that proves that Coach Harbaugh and Cam Cameron are good coaches but I havent seen you put up nothing yet. I have no seen any factual information and If you cant provide that then leave thsi topic alone and just accept that you have no proof at all to back up your opinion
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
You accept that you're wrong
we stumbled our way to a 12-4 schedule…
I know you think the Ravens are great but you’re wrong.. they’re pretty average
Where are the predictions for this season? We have the easiest schedule in the league and “Vegas says we go 14-2,” according to some people.
We have an early bye week and then 10 days of rest in Week 12… two out of the three teams in our division are rebuilding… we have a stacked roster
where are the predictions? let’s see what you guys think you know
If the Ravens are average then the patriots are average than the steelers are average than
the falcons are average because all those games we played agaisnt these so called elite teams they didnt beat us easily and they only won by a few points. Average teams againsts beyound average teams dont give beyound average teams trouble when it comes to wining a game.I honestly dont know why you dont get it but I must be speaking in spainish or you just so caught up in your self being right that you can’t see that you actrally wrong.
I give up on this debate and its not going any where so Evan Im going to say you are right and you have provided enough information to prove you are right also you information was solid like a piece of cake
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
Yeah I think were done
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 1, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lets see what you guys think you know?
Seriously? I think we all know that its pretty close to impossible to predict the NFL and even the best informed insiders fail to accuurately predict standings consistently. Ill pass on the predictions.
I do agree we looked pretty average for most of last season, and I aslo agree with you that Cameron should be gone, but I strongly disagree about harbaugh
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 1, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Vegas says we’re going 14-2 this year.
Vegas only cares about money. There’s little to no bias in their predictions.
Are you going to support your argument ever? I doubt it.
great numbers
but no supporting evidence… roster, strength of schedule… etc…
and we’re in a division similar to the NFC west… that really helps our winning percentage
Dude, really… you’re trying to sidestep the discussion with needing caveats.
Explain your side of the argument with
fact-based, logicalpoints. Or man up and say your opinion isn’t logical or fact based. It’s just an opinion (a bad one), but an opinion.
Not necessary, all he has to do is tell you to explain your side of the argument and how, because he is presumed correct until proven otherwise
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 1, 2011 8:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MrPoopyPants
great name… 12-4 last year when we should have been 15-1… stumbling to a second place finish and “giving away” games…
are the Ravens great or do they “give away” games?
can’t be both…
You never give any actual points. Everything you say is vague, or in the form of a question.
Congrats! You are the newest addition to the list of BS commentators.
Poopy Pants
no one “gives” games away and Vegas doesn’t think we’re going 14-2
Vegas may have us favored in 14 games but you’re mistaken when you equate narrow point spreads with victory predictions… check out the money line
Vegas thinks we're going 14-2?
how many times are we favored by more than 4?
Books want to make it easy to take either bet… ideally, half the bettors win and half lose and they collect their 10% of the losers
you’re making a mistake if you think a 3 point spread is a prediction of who will win an NFL game
I know Im not buying what he selling over there lol all I see is opinions its like
a salesmen trying to convince his product is top notch but you know its not and its even worst he doesnt have enough info to convince you otherwise.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
all he does is try to cast doubt
Its not even clear what his argument is besides harbaugh and cameron suck and we won’t win a superbowl with them. He won’t even go far enough to say harbaugh should be fired.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 1, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
woah i almost missed this
Most absurd statement yet:
“We’re in a division similar to the NFC West…”
What??? Are you serious dude? Did a 7-9 team win our division? You’re friggin ridiculous man, nobody is ever going to take you seriously again. You’re on The Shadow’s level now
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 1, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The AFCN has 4 teams... two of these teams are absolutely horrible
I don’t understand why you insist on making personal attacks… I think you’re either socially-challenged or too young to understand why you shouldn’t make personal attacks…
What part of this is difficult for you to understand?
Let me help… two horrible teams in our division means four lock wins… a split with the other good team equals 5 wins…
we field an average team and we start the season with 5 wins…
are you with me so far? i don’t mind explaining this stuff to you even though it’s very basic
we definitely are nothing like the NFC west. That is by far the worst division in football. We have two legitimate Super Bowl contenders, the Browns are moving in the right direction and shocked some people last year, then the Bengals still suck.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
So for the sake of disagreeing you became a Browns fan
The Browns shown some draft movement but they’re working on implementing new systems on both sides of the ball… new coaches… new everything
If you’d like to bet on them, I’d be happy to take the action…
THE AFCN… two good teams and two horrible teams… we should split with Pitt and sweep the Browns & Bungles… 5 wins…
I don’t know how you don’t see similarities…
where did I once say the Browns are legit contenders now? You keep putting words in people’s mouths just to try and make your case look stronger. I obviously said they are moving in the right direction, which most would agree. Also you mentioned the reasons AFC north is different. Two good teams and two horrible teams (even though most wouldn’t consider the Browns horrible). NFC west has 0 good teams and the winner of the division won 7 games. You really are sounding ridiculous right now.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
"We definitely are nothing like the NFC West"
Those are your words… do you stand by them?
What does “moving in the right direction” mean?
Most wouldn’t consider the Browns horrible? Have you seen their win/loss record from the past 8 years?
Do you realize they average 4 wins a year since 2001?
They’ve won 3 playoff games in the past 25 years…
Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it?
I don’t see how you don’t see similarities in the quality of competition… but hey… this is the internet
Moving in the right direction means they have pieces to build around and now have Holmgren running things. This may be a surprise, but most teams don’t go from horrible to super bowl in one year. Also I didn’t say look at their history of all time, I am talking about right now and there are many that agree. The reason I don’t see similarities because the best team was 7-9. Let me say that again, they were 7-9. The Bengals could even compete in that division. Your problem is you think your way smarter than everyone else and whoever doesn’t agree with you is an idiot. I challenge you to create a fanpost about how our division is similar to the NFC west, post it and see how many actually agree. This will be hilarious the responses you get.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Your "logic" is hilarious...
you can’t see a similarity between two divisions with bottom-feeder teams…
but you can see the 4 win Bungles competing in a division where the winner gets 7 wins…
Ok Buddy! you win!
Their whole division is bottom feeders. Anybody who watches football will tell you they are clearly the worst division in football and it’s not even close. You just pick and choose certain parts to reply to then twist words so you sound smart. Like I said once again. Ravens and Steelers are both Super Bowl Contenders. Browns did not win a lot of games, but a team doesn’t turn around over night and they have improved. They beat NO and New England and competed in the majority of their games. Once again I challenge you to write up a fanpost on your theory and let that spell it out even clearer for you. I bet even NFC west teams don’t agree with you. I am completely serious that I want you to post this topic and since your so smart and know more than everyone than you should have no problem with people agreeing with you right?
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I’m just gonna say that I echo AV 100% on everything that has been said here, I am DYING to see this fanpost (though I don’t expect he’ll actually do it), and on that note I’m going to go elsewhere and finally lay this thread to rest.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 4, 2011 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no youre right
It must try your patience constantly explaining the basics to newbies like us.
Omg personal attack!
Ok seriously though 2 AFCN teams suck while all 4 NFCW teams suck considering they all finished with losing records despite easy schedules. So we are nothing like the NFCW and I am deeply offended that you would call me “young” please stop the personal attacks.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 2, 2011 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
AFCN is similar to NFCW... lots of suck
you act like a child…own it
Please explain to me the similarities between afcn and nfcw. Seattle and st louis are marginally better than cleveland and the other two teams are on a bengals level. None of the teams there are as good as we are, not even close,, let alone a team that just won the conference in pittsburgh.
You’re the childish one here guy but whatever makes you feel better is fine by me.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 2, 2011 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Already explained... see above
to put it in your own words, lots of suck
They’re similar for “lots of suck”? Ooooooookay…. very thorough and well supported argument there.
Russia and Brazil are very similar countries. Lots of crime.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 4, 2011 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please blockquote me on when I said “lots of suck”
Your words, not mine. And I am truly at a loss for why you consistently need to either twist around what other people say or just fabricate it entirely in order to support your argument.
"Airborne, do not look at the ground. I promise you, it will be there. Unless the tectonic plates shift, and a chasm opens up on the drop zone, in which case we will surely let you know."
by jackmca on Jul 4, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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