Even NFL.com Thinks Flacco Is Under-Rated

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT

Pat Kirwan of NFL.com did a report on the players that he thinks are under-rated on their current list of the Top 100 Players of 2011. Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco came in at number 90, but Kirwan sees no reason why he shouldn't be ranked higher. Even Kirwan puts up the numbers between Joe and Atlanta Falcons QB Matt Ryan and they are virtually identical The biggest gap is what Flacco and the Ravens have done in the post season while Ryan and his Falcon teammates have not won a single playoff game n the exact same span of time.

Kirwan notes that most every fan outside of Baltimore would rate 'Matty Ice' the better quarterback, but there is absolutely nothing in the stats of the team or player to separate him. Some say it has something to do with leadership ability but even if Ryan is the better 'field general,' what has that translated to in his short three year career?

The more I read about this and the more I see the numbers and hear the arguments, the more I am beginning to wonder that if Ryan had gotten deeper in the playoffs and still lost, would there actually be more criticism of him like there has been of Flacco. Perhaps the fact that the Ravens have won in the post season and seem to be inches, yards, seconds and minutes way from going all the way year after year is working against Joe's reputation as one of the best young QB's in the NFL.

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I think people look at the difference in the defences of the Falcons and Ravens.

To make the playoffs three years in a row being in the AFC North and also having to play the Pats,Jets,Colts and Texans means our defense has a lot to do with our victories. With a defense ranked as high as it is we should be blowing out the weaker teams and controlling the ball on offense in the second half of each game, and we aren’t. Every year we add more offensive weapons but it doesn’t show in the final score of each game. Most games we are holding our breath until the clock runs out. We added three new potential weapons in the draft. If the season does take place I hope we don’t have to depend on overtime to win games this year.

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions

I’ve heard this arguement so many times; Flacco’s good because of our defense. THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!

Why wasn’t Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, Tony Banks, etc good then? Do you realize, Flacco plays on offense? He’s never been once on the field with our defense. All Flacco stats have come from him throwing the ball, not the defense. He’s played with mostly average skill position players. The skill players as a group, at best, could be considered average.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions

You forgot Trent Dilfer and Bob Griese

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions

You can't use

2 of the best defenses ever to make your point. Dilfer and Griese were game managers that relied on the defense scoring and giving them more chances.

by Mstevens_Design on Jun 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Who said Dilfer and Griese were good? They played their role okay. Neither will ever be considered an elite QB. Dilfer went 5 games without throwing a TD.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Then Steve McNair in 2006

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

McNair’s 2006 stats : 3050 yds 16 TDs 12 Ints

Flacco had almost those stats in his rookie year. What else you got?

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly

Without that incredible defense McNair would look like Boller running for his life.

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

The defense blocked for McNair?

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I might be slow but can you better explain what you just said.

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

The defense gives him better field position

and doesn’t always make him have to play catch up ball.

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

okay now I understand what you meant

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

So if that’s good logic then Peyton Manning should get no credit because he’s always ahead in games.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

And his defense sucked for such a long time, and still does today.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions

He is ahead in the game

because he is good and knows how to get the best out of hi receivers. He also knows how to read defenses and doesn’t run out of bounds with the ball and lose nine yards.

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

He also knows how to read defenses and doesn’t run out of bounds with the ball and lose nine yards.

And who does this? Certainly not Joe.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

AAHHH Grasshopper

how soon we forget what we don’t want to remember

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Show me one time Joe ran out of bounds for 9 yards. Thanks, i’ll be waiting.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

A nine yard loss

Your Steeler friends will tell you about it.

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought YOU were the Steeler fan?

by JoshuaStein on Jun 1, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Your comment makes no sense. McNair would run for his life, if it wasn’t for the Ravens defense?

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

no he just wrote it wrong sometimes he tends to write things that go

beyound the meaning of what he really meant to say.

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

ie: his comment makes no sense

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

When you play from behind

teams know you usually have to pass to catch up, especially if there isn’t much time on the clock.

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Your reaching way too far.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I am tall and have a good reach

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe you should reach some of your wisdom on basketball fans then.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Too old to stuff the ball anymore

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

You truly are stupid. Everyone here thinks you are. Go away.

by JoshuaStein on Jun 1, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I dont think Flacco has played with average skilled postion players I wouldnt call

Todd Heap,Derrick Mason, Ray Rice, Leron McClain, Willis Mcgahee, Anquan Boldin and etc average .in my opinion I think they are more than average.

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Heap and Mason at this point in their careers are average. Rice, McClain and McGahee all are RBs and really don’t add to the passing game like a WR does. Boldin is our only real star player in the passing game and he is getting to the point where he could be considered a 2 on the depth chart.

by Mstevens_Design on Jun 1, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I dont think Boldin is our only star in the passing game that just doesnt make since to me

Heap is only 30 years old going on 31 which is not old and is still one of the best tight ends in the league in my opinion. Derrick Mason is still playing at a very high level and is one the best route runners in the league also he may not have the blazing speed like Torrey Smith but for some reason he still able to get past good cornerbacks in vertical routes at times.

I overall dont believe we have average weapons and I dont think our offensive weapons have been used to their full potentials.

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

you need to do your homework on pro offenses, personnel, and schemes… that will help you understand why the Ravens offense looks so bad when the players seem to be so good

As for Mason, he served us well and it’s time for him to move on.

Flacco is the franchise… whoever doesn’t get that is either stupid or pretending to be stupid. I’m happy we have such a great QB.

by Evan Skev on Jun 1, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I know my homework on pro offense,personnel and schemes. You said “As for Mason, he served us well and it’s time for him to move on”I have seen many people say this but with little proof why but just the fact that he is 37 thats lame to me if the guy can still play at a very high level.

The Ravens offense under perform for many reason last year like players not being used right, Joe Flacco inconsistency at times,offensive line lack of consistent protection to give Flacco time, Lack of a vertical deep threat, lack of chemistry and etc

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Mason’s TO impression last season is prrof he needs to move on…

Your response is to vague for a reponse and there was no chemistry problem that we know of…

by Evan Skev on Jun 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

What TO impression did Mason have last season it better not be when he had that argument with Joe Flacco, if so dont even bother to even go no further with that response.

you said this “Your response is to vague for a response and there was no chemistry problem that we know of”… you may have been blind to the fact that there was no chemistry but I could for sure tell there was no consistent chemistry with Joe Flacco and his offensive weapon. Tell me what offensive weapon did Joe Flacco really knew besides Ray Rice, Derrick Mason and Todd Heap. I don’t see how anybody could expect chemistry to just turn on like a hit of a button on a flashlight. Joe Flacco had Anquan Boldin, T.J Housmanzadeh, Donte Stallworth, David Reed, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and a offensive line that had players playing out of their original position.

Anquan Boldin even acknowledge himself that there was no chemistry between Joe Flacco and that they still have to work on getting to know each other.

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone who still sees the Mason – Joe confrontation as a bad thing at this point is fooling themselves. Heat of the battle, two competitors who had a disagreement, and Joe screwed up badly by missing a wide open Mason.

Things are finally coming together for Joe. We are getting rid of players that brought the team down with either underperforming, overpaid, or head cases (Housh, Stallworth, Gaither, McGahee) and infusing youthful players who really, really want to be great for this team (Torrey, Reid, Allen, Dickson and Pitta). Longevity is what all great offenses share, they start from scratch and build it up for the future. Ozzie has finally done that for us.

We have the WR that fit their roles very well. We have the most dynamic RB in the league with 3 guys behind him who are going to bust their asses to get that #2 spot. Crossing our fingers Le’Ron comes back, alot of our offense goes through his blocking. Give the guy the carries. We have a young, talented OL with pro bowl type players at 3, maybe 4 positons.

And last of all, we have the QB.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Plenty of people see Mason’s sideline confrontation as inappropriate & counterproductive. You may see it as “heat of the battle” but there is no battle or war… just a football game.

I respect your opinion but I think you’re wrong and Mason is on his way out…

by Evan Skev on Jun 1, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ll bet money Mason is a Raven this season. You really think Ozzie and the coaches are going to allow for it to be Boldin and basically FOUR rookies to make up our WR group? Hell no.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Even a baby doesn't crawl forever

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

TBs # 1 WR last year was Mike Williams, a 4th round rookie. I know that is bordering on the extreme case, and yet guys are coming in the NFL more ready than ever. The spread offense in college has got WRs ready to play earlier. This is a new era for WR. Young guys should be able to contribute in year one or year two.

Mason is going to really have to earn his spot this year. David Reed, Tandon Doss, James Hardy, and of course Torrey Smith will make him look slower more so than in past years. I heard Boldin even stepped up his game a notch at the Towson practices. He knows nothing in this league is a certainty.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 2, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Spread Offense

Everything I’ve ever heard about the college spread offense receivers is that they are less prepared for the pros. They don’t learn the full route tree, they don’t learn how to beat a corner back who is pressing them off the line, they don’t learn to read the defense and adjust their routes. Am I missing anything?

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jun 2, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions

WRs catch a shit ton more balls now in college. That not only helps with them learning to read defenses, but it also helps their YAC skills and their hands. The game slows down quicker too. Basically, more reps = better prepared.

Most NFL offenses have adapted the spread offense. You don’t see the classic pro style offense that much anymore.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 2, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Ozzie doesn’t choose who makes the team but I agree that Mason will play if there is a season.

On the other hand, if the scheme isn’t tweaked to take advantage of vets and rooks, it won’t matter…we’ll lose to good teams.

by Evan Skev on Jun 2, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions

Whether you like it or not, Mason’s time in Baltimore is just about over… either one of the young WR will step up and take his spot or he will retire.

I find it difficult to understand your responses.

by Evan Skev on Jun 1, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I wrote a fan post a few weeks back stating that very same idea. If we get a training camp, I think that will be a very interesting discussion within the closed-door meetings.

by JoshuaStein on Jun 1, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I find it difficult to understand anything you say but ok

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah Mason time will be over when he retire after we get this super bowl

this year you dont get rid of a player that had solid production for you that just doesnt make sense

by jazz20 on Jun 1, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

It does make sense if you have more talented guys waiting for their opportunity.

The coaches get to determine that, luckily (or unluckily).

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 2, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Joe Flacco has chemistry with Derrick Mason and he is still his go to guy. I dont think its a good decision to let go of him just because we have rookie young talent.When the Steelers drafted their two young wideouts did they get rid of hines ward? no. The Steelers indeed just used their young guys along with Hines Ward and they went to the super bowl. Why cant we do the same? I still have not found a Ravens fans yet to give me a better understanding why we should move on from Mason this year?Is its age? all i can say is look at his stats. Is he slowing down? I doubt that but he may not be as fast when he was 25 but he clearly can get it done with any route. is his 2.2 yard after catch verifies he is getting slower? i dont think so because in 2007( he was 33 years old ) he had 2.4 yards after catch and actrally Mason has had a couple of years where he his yards after the catch was in a 2.0 radius. i think he just had a bad game in a yards after the catch and he will step it up this year like he has done so many other year

by jazz20 on Jun 2, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions

better version sorry I didnt space it into paragraph :)

I still have not found a Ravens fans yet to give me a better understanding why we should move on from Mason this year?Is its age? all i can say is look at his stats. Is he slowing down? I doubt that but he may not be as fast when he was 25 but he clearly can get it done with any route. is his 2.2 yard after catch verifies he is getting slower? i dont think so because in 2007( he was 33 years old ) he had 2.4 yards after catch and actrally Mason has had a couple of years where he his yards after the catch was in a 2.0 radius. i think he just had a bad game in a yards after the catch and he will step it up this year like he has done so many other year

by jazz20 on Jun 2, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions

My eyes tell me he is slowing down.

Maybe it was the end of the season, or he was hurt, but he couldn’t get any seperation in the playoffs last year.

Hines Ward also just turned 35. He’s a little behind Mase in father time.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

there was a good reason why

Mason slowed down later on in the season also in he playoff. Mason was suffering pain from his hernia.. A hernia in pain is very painful I have seen people that could barely walk with one If you dont believe me look up the information on google

by jazz20 on Jun 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you just hoping & praying that the Ravens problems will magically fix themselves even though the same people are running the show?

Mason has one season left… at the most. Super Bowls shouldn’t even be mentioned at this point…especially since we can’t seem to beat good teams in the 4th quarter.

by Evan Skev on Jun 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions

I will always feel like my team will make it to the super bowl and I think right now they are a super bowl ready team. I am not worried about the fact that we cant beat good teams in the 4th quarter;I have faith that this team will get it done but overall I think last year was a very good learn process mostly for the players and Coach John Harbaugh. This team once had problems with penalties and John Harbaugh said before 2010 season started that he/ his coaching staff will work on to stop his team from making so many penalties.

When the 2010 season started the Ravens team/players were not committing the same/as much penalties that were made in 2009. Now John Harbaugh has said him/his staff will work on the offense and I have faith they will do a good job

by jazz20 on Jun 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope you’re right but I don’t share the same optimism.

As for Mase, he’s entering his last season and it would be nice if he mentored the younger players without attracting attention to himself.

by Evan Skev on Jun 2, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

oh thats cool also there has been news out their that Mason has been working with the young guys. Mason has good character and to me one the classiest guys on the team. I highly doubt Mason is the type to want attention on him 24/7 but he going to get attention every now or then because he still look at one of leaders/stars on this team but thats my opinion

by jazz20 on Jun 2, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

The RB's

are very much used in the passing game. Rice had over 700 yards recieving in 2009, and this past season was second on the team in receptions and fourth in yards.
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Matt Ryan being chosen number 3 overall. He was the golden child at BC so everyone is going to jump on the band wagon. Ryan has not done anything in the 3 years hes been in the league, and if you want to say that flacco is on a better team we went 5-11 the year before we drafted him. The only knock that any analyst has on Flacco is that he hasnt made it to the superbowl yet, and that he hasnt beaten the steelers when rothlisberger was playing

by JCroUSAF on Jun 1, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Whether our skill players are above average or not

Doesn’t really mean shit if our Offensive Coordinator chooses not to utilize their talents. Hooks and quick outs can only get you so far…

by StuckInUtah on Jun 1, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

As a skill group then, where would they be ranked with regards to the other 31 teams?

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 1, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

The more I read about this and the more I see the numbers and hear the arguments, the more I am beginning to wonder that if Ryan had gotten deeper in the playoffs and still lost, would there actually be more criticism of him like there has been of Flacco. Perhaps the fact that the Ravens have won in the post season and seem to be inches, yards, seconds and minutes way from going all the way year after year is working against Joe’s reputation as one of the best young QB’s in the NFL.

When I read that, at first I thought it was stupid, but the more I look at it the more it makes sense. Joe is getting penalized because its thought that he is on a better team than Ryan is. Plus he came in from Delaware and was thought to be a reach in the first round. When you combine all of that together, people tend to look at Joe like he is failing or not living up to a first round pick. However, both offenses pull in the same numbers and our defense isn’t what it used to be and yet we are still always in position to go to the Superbowl year after year.

While I wish he would get some media recognition for the player he is, the real shame is that not all the fans are behind him.

by Mstevens_Design on Jun 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions

Joe won't get respect

until he beats Roethlesberger.

by davver on Jun 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

i would say basically the same thing about Matt Ryan

and Drew Brees, though Ryan has beat Brees

by davver on Jun 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions

Shadow is so jaded, he can’t see straight. Flacco will never be deserving of credit in his eyes. He keeps bringing up Dilfer DESPITE THE FACT WE DIDN’T SCORE AN OFFENSIVE TD FOR FIVE STRAIGHT GAMES WITH HIM UNDER CENTER THAT YEAR!!! Joe is the most underrated player in the league, in my opinion. And Kirwan asks what I pose all the time: what has Matt Ryan done that Joe hasn’t?

by JoshuaStein on Jun 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

Not lost to Matt Ryan

by TheShadow on Jun 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Joe lost to Matt Ryan? Or was it the Ravens losing to the Falcons? Or was it the Ravens could have won had it not been for an obvious missed offensive pass interference penalty on Roddy White? You’re a total moron.

by JoshuaStein on Jun 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Come on man, lay off the moron name calling. Be better than that. Let your points do that type of talking for you.

by MrPoopyPants on Jun 2, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions

It’s fun proving that moron wrong, though.

by JoshuaStein on Jun 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Just to clarify

A significant part of that 5-game touchdown drought was with Tony Banks as the starter. That is why Dilfer was even promoted to be the starter in the first place.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jun 2, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Yea, Dilfer came in during the 4th game of that drought I believe.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I like this.

Kirwan notes that most every fan outside of Baltimore would rate ‘Matty Ice’ the better quarterback, but there is absolutely nothing in the stats of the team or player to separate him. Some say it has something to do with leadership ability but even if Ryan is the better ‘field general,’ what has that translated to in his short three year career?

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions

I like what Kirwan said also.

While Flacco came in at No. 90 on the top 100, there’s a case he could have come in higher. He’s led his team to the playoffs in each of his three seasons. In that time, Flacco has thrown 60 touchdowns, 34 interceptions and has an 87.9 passer rating.

Tell me how much different people perceive Matt Ryan, who, in the same amount of time, has thrown 66 touchdowns, 34 interceptions and has an 86.9 passer rating? Ryan is 0-2 in playoffs as compared to Flacco’s 4-3 postseason record. This past season, Flacco threw 25 touchdowns to just 10 interceptions. Even though those numbers compare favorably to Ryan’s 28 TDs and nine picks, try and find a fan who thinks the two quarterbacks are in the same class.

There seems to be rumors floating around that Flacco doesn’t do the extra work required to be great, something I find hard to believe after discussing his preparation with him a number of times.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

it is not revelent if and when he beats BB

BB lost to David Garrard in the playoffs, what does that mean? If you run down the line of QBs in the league, here is how he stacks up: he is NOT better than Brady, P.Manning, Big Ben(not wearing my steeler hat here, just being honest) Rivers..so in the afc, he is pretty good! He is fifth in the AFC, which has 4 of the top QBs in the game..in the NFC, Brees, rodgers, E. Manning..Flacco IS MUCH better than Ryan…Why? Ryan has played 2 playoff games at home and lost!! Flacco has yet to play one..Flacco is WAY better than Sanchez, who benefits from good receivers and 2 probowlers on the O-line..

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by nycsteelerfan on Jun 1, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions

HE DOESN’T PLAY BB. HE PLAYS AGAINST SHITTSBURGH’S DEFENSE, WHICH HE’S BEATEN IN THE PAST. QBs don’t play against each other. They play the opposing defense. Both QBs are not on the field at the same time in football.

by JoshuaStein on Jun 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Man, calm down. I’m worried you’re gonna pop something, hahaha.

It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
– Joseph Joubert

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 1, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions

SteelersFan,

We’re very happy with our QB and with our football club in general. See you all in Week 1.

by Evan Skev on Jun 1, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

HE DOESN’T PLAY BB. HE PLAYS AGAINST SHITTSBURGH’S DEFENSE, WHICH HE’S BEATEN IN THE PAST.

I 100% agree, I hate hearing that Joe can’t beat Ben. Joe has no control what so ever over what Ben is able to do in a game.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

wasn't that my point??

It is irrelevant if he beats BB?

by nycsteelerfan on Jun 1, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

you just have to expose the faults in these people's logic

Question # 1: Who’s the better QB? Everyone seems to say Ryan.
Question #2: What team is closer to an SB?
In their heart of hearts, people have to say the Ravens, despite the fact that they both play for some pretty damn good teams.

What’s wrong with that picture?

Despite having the supposed #6 non-qb offensive player (according to the brain trust at ESPN) the Falcons only managed a #16 offense, exactly middle of the road. With all the hype, you’d expect more than that from Herr Ice. Ryan closed out the game against us, but with homefield advantage, and even then it took an OPI to win that game. Would love to see Flacco bring it against the Falcons on neutral territory in the SB next year.

by dimik on Jun 1, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions

Ryan closed out the game against us

Yes he did (on a suspect non call) but I also remember Joe digging us out of the ditch we put ourselves in and scoring 2 TD’s in about 5 minutes to give us the lead. The Falcons winning that game covers up the heroic act by Joe to bring us back when shit was tough. Had we won that game, people are talking about Joe more than they are Matty Mice.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 1, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions