Ravens' Flacco Cracks NFL's Top 100 Players For 2011
by Bruce Raffel on May 9, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe NFL Network is promoting a series of the Top 100 Players of 2011, and the Baltimore Ravens' QB Joe Flacco has made the list, albeit at the lower end at number 90. With the Top 100 representing around 6% of the entire league, that is quite an honor for the third year pro out of the University of Delaware. However, when you look at one of the other quarterbacks named to the list ahead of him, you have to scratch your head and wonder where the justification for both QB's positioning.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers' QB Josh Freeman made the list at #86, four slots ahead of Flacco. While Freeman is an up and coming NFL QB who lead his team to a great turnaround season in 2010, he has not nearly earned the resume that Joe Flacco has in making the playoffs in each of his three years in the NFL, making one scratch his head and wonder where the justification for the positioning came from? The two players' statistics from the 2010 regular season were very similar. Flacco threw for 3,622 yards while Freeman threw for 3,451 yards. Their completion percentage was virtually the same, with Joe leading 62.6% to 61.4%. They both threw 25 TD passes, although Freeman only threw six picks while Flacco threw ten. Finally, Freeman's QB Rating was 95.9, while Flacco's was 93.6. Those stats do not create any significant separation between the two, at least on paper.
However, on the true test of the gridiron, Flacco's track record is vastly superior. Three years in the league, three trips to the post season and four road playoff victories. Meanwhile, Freeman only became a starter midway through the 2009 season and has not been in the playoffs at all. Even the NFL Network's Brian Baldinger questioned the rankings and comparison, saying if you look at a team's signal-caller as the most important guy on the field, then you'd have to put Flacco in the Top 50 players in the NFL for 2011. The Top 100 is voted on by the NFL players themselves, so you have to give a lot of credit to them based on their first-hand knowledge.
With 80 more slots to be determined, we know a lot more Baltimore Ravens will be on this list, perhaps as many if not more than any other team in the league. In the meantime, there is no question about it that the Ravens' Flacco deserves a higher ranking than just #90.
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It is supposed to be a list of the top 100 players from last season, but I am having a hard time believing that. Joe is a prime example and how he is 90th is beyond me. Had a great regular season and a very good performance against KC in the playoffs.
Josh Freeman was ranked 86 and should not be ahead of Joe. Freeman carried them to 10 wins and no playoffs. Joe carried us to 12 wins and a playoff win and another one almost. Without Joe’s performance last year, we would have been an 8-8 at best considering how much other areas of our team were struggling.
I bet Matt Ryan is around the 60s or 50s, which is BS. Joe had a better QB rating last year and won in the playoffs, something Matty “Ice” wasn’t able to do when he choked against GB.
Joe will always get this rep because of the person he is, and I am fine with it because it will feel that much better once he finishes his career with 4 Superbowl rings.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I would rank both Freeman and Flacco higher on my personal list, most likely at the expense of some linemen along the way.
But, I find one minor flaw in your arguement, and perhaps this is why the ranking fell the way they did (just guessing).
Freeman, for the most part, did carry his team to ten wins. I wouldn’t go as far as saying Flacco carried the Ravens to 12. He certainly helped a lot, but I wouldn’t say he carried you there either. You claim without Flacco you’re 8-8, but without Freeman, what record would the Bucs have in your opinion?
I’m not arguing track records, or career accomplishments here. Those clearly fall Flacco’s way. But, for overall importance to his club’s success, I may give the nod to Freeman in that area.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Freeman is a fluke
He is a guy that got lucky an awful lot in his playmaking. He also plays in a horrible division where wins should come a lot easier than in the AFC North.
I think all of us can agree that if we were an NFC team, we would have been in the Superbowl last year or at least down to the wire with Green Bay. At no point in time could you have said that about the Bucs and its because of Freeman to a certain extent.
This year, people will have figured out Freeman and he will have a horrible season. Think of Vince Young.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say he is a fluke. He would be a fluke in my opinion if he was turning the ball over alot, but he only had 7 interceptions last year and was throwing to 2 rookie WR and had an undrafted rookie RB behind him.
He is a WAY better passer and smarter than Vince Young is and saying that is a little ignorant. I am not hating on Freeman at all, but just saying that Joe should be ranked higher, and definitely ahead of Freeman.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Fluke was a bit harsh and I didn’t mean it in the tradition sense. He is a fluke in that he won’t have the same stats this year. Teams overlooked the Bucs a lot last year and they surprised a few teams along the way.
I’m not comparing his maturity to Vince Young. That would be horribly ignorant and mean of me to do that. I am comparing him to Vince Young in that they are both solid QBs, but they had a flash year where people didn’t expect them to succeed like they did. The next year, they floundered heavily because teams were actually focusing on them and their flaws.
Also keep in mind that those rookie WRs were phenomenal and most teams would have loved to have them on their roster. The undrafted RB was a compliment to a 1000 yard power back in Cadillac Williams. They also have a great TE in Kellen Winslow. The fact that they are a young team doesn’t really matter when we talk about Freeman. The players still perform like they should regardless of how young or old.
I see Freeman having a really bad year this year. With a more difficult schedule and teams game planning for him, he won’t be able to get the plays that made him successful last year.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think the NFCSouth sucks
Because of Carolina and Tampa! But also Atlanta and NO, then you have to say the AFC North sucks as well with Cleveland and Cincy.
aka 'Rexx'
New Orleans started the year off in terrible spots. Atlanta was solid all year round, but they had their games where they underestimated teams and got beat. Both are solid teams, but if you look at last year, both teams should have had more wins.
I don’t entirely think that division sucks, but the entire NFC as a whole does though. Let’s look at Tampa’s schedule though…. Cleveland, Cincinnati, of course Carolina 2Xs, STL, Arizona, San Fran, Washington, Detroit, Seattle…. I mean come on. I just listed the teams they should have beat (10 wins incidentally) and its like playing the girl scouts of the NFL.
Hell, if Joe played those teams all year long, we would have had a 14-2 season and he would have had 5000 yards passing.
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, we play the NFC West this year
and combined with playing both Cleveland and Cincy 2x, then there’s no reason by your thought process we shouldn’t be 14-2 with Flacco throwing for 5000 yards, right? I like your thinking!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 10, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
We should be able to do that. With an easier schedule like we have this year, we should definitely have a hell of a record and some good stats.
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't agree with a lot of that...
Atlanta and New Orleans both won more than 10 games last year. Even in a “horrible division” the best you can do beating up on your own division is 6 wins.
I would say that with Freeman they’re closer to the Superbowl than they would be with a lot of other QB’s. Not many can do wj=hat he did with his surrounding cast.
And he is nothing like Young at all. Not his playstyle, not his mentally, not even when comparing just their arms and just their legs apart from anything else. That’s just a bad comparison.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 9, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant young
in the fact that next season he will have a horrible year. He is a good QB, but he hasnt faced a lot of teams that are gameplanning for him. He has actually had a lot of teams take the Bucs for granted as an easy win and got surprised.
I do agree with you that he is better than a lot of other QBs, but he got lucky a lot last year. I can’t tell you how many times I saw highlights of bouncing balls falling into the hands of his WRs or a bad throw that was just poorly timed by a DB that should have been a pick.
He will grow into a top 100 player for sure, but he certainly isnt there last year or this year.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The SB winner from 2 years ago, Atlanta 13-3 horrible division? Really
I think Freeman carried his team more than Joe, you guys always talk about how great your D is( and I agree it’s pretty damn good) you can’t say Joe carries your team unless you think your D sucks. You guys do have Rice, Boldin, Heap, Mason, Stallworth not exactly bums
Our D isnt what it used to be
And Joe actually did carry the team for a few games along the season. Had the D played up to par and not blown 4th quarter leads, Joe would have played in the SuperBowl and had a much better season in terms of wins.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me just say that Joe is more of a reason for our success over the last 3 years than our defense is, and I genuinely mean that. It isn’t just a coincidence that we have done what we have over the last 3 seasons with Joe.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Joe was the offense last year. Our ypc were 31st in the league. We put Joe in a lot of bad spots, he usually got us to come out on top (12-4 Record).
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets just leave it at both teams wouldn’t be nearly as good as they are/were last year without the play of both QB’s.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Where's the fun in that?
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There hasn’t been any fun over the last 3 years discussing why Joe is alot better than people say he is.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Hey, I'm with you on that front.
I said I would have rated them both higher myself.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe is in the tier of QBs that is very good but gets no public respect
In that tier is Big Ben, Flacco, and a few others. The QBs that are just good but get way over valued are Schaub, Ryan, Favre, Palmer, Rivers, and a couple others. My honest QB rankings are:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Big Ben
6. Rivers
7. Vick
8. Schaubb
9. Flaaco
10. Ryan
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Atta boy, Seton. Good list.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Vick and Rivers are the most over-rated QB's in the league
neither has ever won in the playoffs and both just put up big stats because of the systems they play in. Yet all Big Ben and Flacco do is win games while putting up very good stats yet some don’t even have Big Ben in their top 10 QB’s.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Vick has won in the playoffs, but that was in the past. But I get what you are saying. I do like Rivers though, I wouldn’t say he is overrated. The man talks alot of shit then goes out and shreds you apart. His team choked BIG TIME last year in some games when he was putting up ridiculous numbers.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
but he does not win football games and to me that is what matters
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by seton hall and steelers on May 10, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that’s entirely his fault. They have had problems running the ball consistently the last few years and even though their D was ranked high statistically they have had their problems as well.
The Chargers had the number one offense and defense at one point last season. It was their special teams that did them in. As talented as Rivers is, they haven’t put it all together yet. And a lot of that falls on the QB, in my opinion.
like I said their D ranked high statistically, but I have watched quite a few chargers games and by no means are they close to being the best D. Also like you said special teams was a major concern as well, probably the worst in the league last year. They scored the 2nd most points in the league and had issues running the ball at times so I don’t see how that can fall on the QB.
I like Rivers a lot. I think he is definitely one of the top QBs in the league, but you have to wonder when the Chargers will take that huge leap with a guy that talented under center. That’s all I meant.
Joe hasn’t had any explosive receivers yet, so I understand this rating. It’s awesome the players think this highly of him already.
I think Josh Freeman is also deserving of his spot in the top 100. I love the way he extends plays and is clutch in the closing moments. He’s going to be a good one for many years.
Yea, he had a bunch of 4th quarter comeback wins last year that were all on him. He is a very good QB.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I think Joe is right where he should be
I am a huge supporter of Flacco and I think he is a top 100 player. My biggest issue is where they have other people ranked. Other players are ranked higher based on some BS reasoning and being a fan favorite.
The way I see it, wherever Matt Ryan is ranked…. Joe should be 1 spot higher.
The way I see it, wherever Matt Ryan is ranked…. Joe should be 1 spot higher.
Exactly. While Joe hasn’t been that much better than Ryan, he still has been better and won in the playoffs regardless of what his stats look like. The purpose of a QB is to find a way to win when it matters most in any way possible. Ryan hasn’t shown that yet while Joe clearly has.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
The funny thing is
Their stats arent that far off from each other. And Ryan has a top 5 WR in White, and a top running game, and a top O-Line that keeps him off his ass. As a QB, you couldn’t ask for much more than Ryan has, and their numbers are still pretty close.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Their numbers are close, but the only thing Ryan has more of than Joe is TD passes and it is only 6 more. Everything else goes in Joe’s favor, including QB rating and wins, the two most important stats for a QB. Yet, Joe is not on the same level as Ryan, right?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Ryan has better football IQ
IMO. I don’t think the reason for Joe’s lack of audibiling is Cam’s ego, I think Ryan is genuinely farther along at this point.
Where is the proof Ryan’s football IQ is higher than Joe’s? Their stats are eerily similar, and Ryan had a lot more passing attempts last season than Flacco. The call by the fans for Joe to do more audibling and take more control of the offense is because we know his football IQ is higher than he’s given credit for. To say Ryan is this much better than Joe is just outrageous. There are so many people who obviously have not been watching.
I agree with that.
I’d say Joe has much more physical talent though. With these new WRs, we should get a better persepctive of Joe’s mental accuity. He really hasn’t had a chance to throw all over the field yet. No deep ball WR to open things up.
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense to you or Joe
but not too many people outside of Baltimore would ever say Joe has morte physical talent than Ryan. Ryan is faster, better on the move and scrambles for yardage when needed, while Joe struggles throwing on the run and runs a bit like Herman Munster.
Ryan is further along as a field general and a better two-minute manager. I love Joe and want him to lead us to many Super Bowls, but doubtful anyone who is not a Ravens fan would take Joe over Matt right now.
Baltimore is a better team than Atlanta and football is the consummate team sport, but if Ryan was QB here, would we be as good, or better with him? The honest answer might upset Ravens fans.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 10, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan:
40 time: 4.89
20 Yard dash: 2.81
10 yard dash: 1.62
3 cone drill 7.4
He did not compete in the vertical jump or broad jump. I’m sure you can guess why…
Joe Flacco:
40 time: 4.84
20 yard dash: 2.79
10 yard dash: 1.62
Vertical Jump: 28.5"
Broad Jump: 9’2"( Pretty explosive and athletic!)
3 cone drill: 6.82
Also they both competed in a distance throwing contest that year with all the high profile QBs. You know who the far and away winnner was.
The better athlete with the bigger arm is Joe Flacco.
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bruce only says what he says because Joe looks slow when he moves, but he is really covering alot of ground with each movement because he is so big.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Yep, those long strides are deceiving.
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ryan is better in all these areas Bruce, then why has Joe put up better numbers?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
He’s arguing that the Ravens are the better team… which somehow affects Joe’s numbers.
I disagree. The Falcons have had the better offence, and Ryan has had White from day one. That situation greatly favors Ryan. I do think that Ryan has better leadership qualities and better field/pocket awareness, but there’s no doubt in my mind that Joe is the better QB physically. I don’t think there’s even a contest if you’re simply grading them physically. Joe may have the best arm in the league… He has a big arm with a super compact release and is very accurate. Joe’s biggest problem is his awareness, but the sky’s the limit with him physically.
by BAL_Hawk on May 10, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Ryan was QB here, would we be as good, or better with him? The honest answer might upset Ravens fans.
He wouldn’t make it through a season without an injury. He plays behind one of the most underrated and one of the best O-Lines in the league. He doesn’t have to run around all the time to make a play. Here he would be destroyed and end up playing scared.
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what Bruce has been watching. The Falcons were 3-13 the year before they got Ryan, and we were 5-11 the year before we landed Joe. Our teams aren’t that far apart in talent. And to call Ryan a better field general, or to say that Joe isn’t very good when he rolls out is a little off, I think. Joe has rallied us from behind a lot, which indicates a solid control of the team in crunch situations and respect from his offensive teammates. I feel if the Ravens had Ryan, we’d be just as satisfied than we are with Joe. Ryan gets to play at least NINE games a year in domes (eight at home, one at New Orleans), in a much easier conference, and has YET to even lead the Falcons to a playoff team. They both are very good young QBs, but I’d take Joe over Ryan; he has more upside and has done more with less (imagine if he had a guy like Roddy White from day one).
Remember, Bruce also claimed that Joe was one of the worst play action QB’s in the league, yet the stats proved that he was actually THE BEST play action QB in the league.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
guys, no need to rip apart Bruce
He just has a different opinion. You guys are going at him like a pack of dogs.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 10, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s unbelievable to me that 12% of those polled say Joe shouldn’t even be in the top 100. I must hear from those morons…
Where is TheShadow?
Plus don’t forget that we have a ton of Steelers Trolls around here all the time.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
most of us are not trolls but rather educated football fans that like discussing things with you guys
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet there is very rarely a discussion going on
I can count on 1 hand the number of times that some Steeler fan comes on here and starts a civilized, educated discussion with us. For the most part, you all lurk around waiting to make quips when you see the moment or voting on polls being a troll.
A few of you guys are really good people and I can’t complain about you all. All of you guys just seem to spend far too much time on the Ravens blog versus your own.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say it is a 50/50 split of good people and trolls
It is usually the people we don’t like at BTSC that come on here and talk shit. Me, EGSB, John Stephens, and a few others usually come over here and just talk. But a couple people just come here after game threads and talk sh**
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It isnt even just the Shit talking
But the just coming over here and lurking that gets me. A majority of Steelers fans just sit in silence until they see an opening to be a douche. Absolutely no discussion, no educated arguing, no heated debate, just waiting until they can make some idiotic statement or until they see some issue they have to take offense with.
So Steelers fans are just lurking around, screwing with the polls and stuff. Watching to make sure that no one calls Roethlisberger, Rapistburger and waiting to in general, be an asshat. Tell all of them to come on here and debate with us on the finer points of the game and where we feel that our teams are at, not sit around our site without making a comment.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Blogs are for opinions, so they can come over here and vote on the polls if they want. I sure as hell was over at their blog giving D grades to all their draft picks : )
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Yeah
I know you like to troll over there too :)
It isnt necessarily the opinions that get me. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and views. Thats fine. However, the people that just lurk like some seedy old man waiting for their moment to strike. Its just really juvenile and annoying to me. Why not just join in the conversations on why you don’t think Joe should be in the top 100. Don’t just vote to be a douche, but talk to us about it.
The current slate of Steelers fans over here are all good guys. I may still hate the Steelers, but you guys are decent enough.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you have actual proof that Steelers fans are messing with your polls?
Or are you just guessing based on the results?
There are a lot of people who just read the sites and never comment, Ravens and Steelers fans alike. I’m sure some probably vote on polls too.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 10, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You are very right. My argument is solely based on the polls though as I could really care less about those.
My issue is with people (steelers or ravens fans) that lurk around a website. I certainly don’t expect everyone to come on and be a chatty kathy, but don’t sit on and wait for an opening to mention how much better Bulger is. Or that the Steelers are the better team, or that……..
That crap just irks me off. Its like sitting by a fight and waiting until the guy has his head turned away from you before you take a swing.
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't care if you call Big Ben, Ben Rapistburger
I frequently call the Ravens the Raisins and Joe Flacco Joe Unibrow. It is just part of our rivalry.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of Steelers fans
get their panties all in a bunch over it though and are on it the second a post is made using that name.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I used too but I have gotten over it
because nobody besides Ben and the girl know what actually happened that night and I like to give Ben the benefit of the doubt. How you choose to interpret it is your choice. At school I actually join in on the rape jokes because the only reason people make them is to try and get me angry and when they see me making jokes myself they realize its pointless
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree and Amplify. Great tactic for anyone shit testing you (especially the girlfriend or wife).
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
I don’t know about the wife. That crap gets me slapped :)
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. You might need to tweak your game.
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah, I have been trying to tweak it for years now. She’s too smart for it really. :)
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep works all the time on my GF
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by seton hall and steelers on May 10, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You arent the problem though
You and the few people you mentioned are good people that like to come on and debate the merits of your opinion.
Oh well, I guess I’m just in a pissy mood or something.
by Mstevens_Design on May 10, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
In an article on NFL.com, the author makes the claim that Freeman was placed better than Flacco because of an issue of potential vs substance. He goes in the article to talk about how Flacco has admittedly played better than Freeman. But apparently Freeman has greater potential! Grrrr, this makes my blood boil. This is not “Top 100 Players in 5 years”, this is for right now. And right now, Flacco is a superior quarterback.
How does he know what Flacco's potential is
Everyone seems to crap on Flacco because he came from delaware and has “played better than he should have”. Who is to say that his potential isnt a HOF QB with the most yards and TDs ever in the game?
To rate a player based on potential is stupid. If that was the case then players like Adrian Peterson would always be #1 because they have potential to levitate above the playing field and score 80 TDs a game.
That is why these lists are always dumb. Its always based on some writers man crush on a player more than what the player has actually done or what the list is supposed to be about. I still say that Pennington should be #1!!!
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone seems to crap on Flacco because he came from delaware and has "played better than he should have".
This this this this THIS!!!!!!
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I was talking with someone last night about this and even with him being a Giants fan, he told me Joe gets a bad rap because of his persona and that is 100% right. Ryan is the #2 pick from BC who is doing shaving razors commercials and is animated with his Abercrombie and Fitch face while Joe is maybe the worst spokesman ever for local Pizza Huts and stays low key with his 6 inch eye brow and goofy ways. But these are the reasons why I love him.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
+100. Right there with you. Low key, calm, cool, collected, doesn’t get rattled, doesn’t need the spotlight. I’ll take that any day. I doubt very much we’ll be reading about Joe suing the NFL for unfair labor practices while building a $25mil. mansion, or sexually assaulting college chicks in shady bar bathrooms. I am proud to call him the QB of my team. And, oh yeah, he’s pretty darn good on the field…and only getting better.
He really is the worst spokesman ever
Those commercials have such a poor production value and his acting is horrendous. He has actually turned me off Pizza Hut because of it.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a blog my friend wrote reviewing the Ravens draft
I know a little late, but tell us what you think. http://camdentocollegepark.blogspot.com/2011/05/ravens-draft-analysis-picks-1-3.html
That background is the single most annoying thing ever
See if he could make it strobe for that matter so I definitely have seizures or go blind.
I think it is a fair assessment on the draft picks, but something that has been done numerous times already. So it really isn’t anything new. Also given that some time has passed since the draft, I am a little disappointed in the lack of coverage on all the picks, not just the top 3. I think all of us here could have come up with the pros and cons for those top 3 players with our eyes closed. The big thing we all want to know is the later round players and how they are looking. We haven’t gotten a lot of looks at those later players and that is the info I really want to know.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And I told him that it is old news
But he still put himself out there and wants opinions on his writing.
by Maryland Pride on May 9, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that
Its decent writing. Nothing to write home about in terms of style or interest. He just has to do a better job of getting the news out quicker or providing some special insight into his thoughts. Being able to show certain plays that the players had would be a huge help to illustrate his point.
Unfortunately, it just comes off as opinion writing and it comes off a little stale and boring because of that. The only thing that will improve that is by being first to come out with it.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you very much.
We made this blog last night and he really wanted to write about the draft, it is sort of his forte.
by Maryland Pride on May 9, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you were wondering why we picked this guy so early, you’re not alone. I thought of Reid as a fourth round pick at best and that if he was taken earlier than it would a waste of a pick. And after watching more film of him, I still do believe he was a waste of a pick. Not because of his talents, but because we could have snagged him in the fourth round. Don’t get me wrong, I think Jah will come right into training camp and claim the right tackle spot immediately, but we could have got him later
I never get why people think these things. How is someone not involved with the organization or the entire league so sure we could have gotten him later? I don’t mind if he thinks Reid was a 4th round prospect, but saying we could have gotten him in the 4th round is such a stupid statement.
How is he so sure that teams had a 4th round grade on Reid? It is impossible to predict where teams have these players on their boards and just because you think he is a 4th round prospect doesn’t mean Ozzie does, and I will take Ozzie’s word over anyone’s.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
oh god here we go again
Me and you already had this argument and I could have worded that statement better but I am a noob when it comes to writing skills and so is this guy apparently
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Malor's point is valid
Without being in the draft room or having been in the business of the NFL, its impossible to know when we could have gotten a certain player. I bet people were thinking that Christian Ponder was still going to be around in the 2nd round..;…. The vikings fooled everyone on that pick.
Who knows that the next team in the draft wouldn’t have picked Reid up? Its a crap shoot really.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, just saying that people who aren’t working for NFL teams are basically wrong in their assessments when saying we could have gotten a player later. I read from numerous sources that other teams were going to make a move on Reid before we did, and Ozzie knew that. Just saying we have no idea what so ever which players teams like and where they have them ranked.
While some people like yourself and myself know a great deal about the draft, we are merely observers when it comes to what the GM’s know, especially the best ones like Ozzie.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Yep it should be worded like this
“According to most outside scouts, Reid probably could have been gotten either at 90 or even in the 4th round”
If I had worded it like that you probably would not have gone nuts about my assessment of the pick.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want us to take you seriously and your opinion as objective, then you need to be capable and willing to defend your logic.
If you want to nit-pick with bias, have at it, but don’t expect us to take you seriously or respect your opinion.
whatever. I am actually the worst writer every and just use my own biases to write
That is why I am getting a full time position on MTD’s front page and occasionally post on BTSC’s front page because I am just horrible at writing and have huge biases. I suck and wish I could be more like you
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by seton hall and steelers on May 10, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah look at offensive tackle James Carpenter he had a second round/third round grade
but the seahawks took him in the first round it was a shocker to me but obviously the seahawks thought he had first round talent
After they chose Carpenter, Carrol new the talking heads were going to lay into the pick. So they turned off the sound on their TVs, put on Pandora, and jammed out to some reggae.
Carrols turning out to be pretty impressive.
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact is that it’s speculation on either side. I could find a scouting report that gives Reid a 2nd round grade for every report that gives him a 4th-5th round grade. Malor said it best…
How is someone not involved with the organization or the entire league so sure we could have gotten him later? I don’t mind if he thinks Reid was a 4th round prospect, but saying we could have gotten him in the 4th round is such a stupid statement.
No one, not even Ozzie, knows whether Reid would have been drafted before 90, but they traded up for him. Not even the harshest Newsome critic could objectively call him an idiot. Therefore, there had to be logical reasoning behind the trade up. There has been speculation about Kansas City, and that makes sense to me. Pioli worked with Newsome for years, and they look for the same traits in players. Furthermore, Reid was publicly scouted by the Chiefs. Therefore, the fact that the Ravens traded up to the pick directly in front of the Chiefs appears to be more than just a coincidence.
Obviously, this is speculation, but at least it’s the result of critical thinking, unlike the assumption that Reid was a reach because…
According to most outside scouts, Reid probably could have been gotten either at 90 or even in the 4th round.
…even though I can show you several professional scouting reports that say Reid is the most underrated offensive lineman in the draft and would have been a good pick in the 2nd-3rd rounds. You can take any report, good or bad, for what it is… a best guess by a person who doesn’t have a career riding on the assessment and is trying to get readers… not win games. I, for one, hold much more stock in the reports coming from the Ravens and Ozzie Newsome, who have done an excellent job picking good offensive linemen in each round of the draft throughout their history. If they love him as a player now and if they were targeting him even before the draft in particular, that’s good enough for me.
by BAL_Hawk on May 10, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I watched the video on NFL.com
and they listed as potential top 100 QB’s and had Bradford, Sanchez, Eli, and Cutler I threw up. How are those four on the list and not Big Ben?
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
Wait, Ben isn’t on the list? Hmmmmm, he has to be.
The list is supposed to be the top 100 players of 2011, meaning the ones who performed best, not the best 100 players in the NFL, so maybe Ben’s stats weren’t good enough…..??? But he should definitely be in the top 50, as should Joe. I am starting to get a sense by the list so far that they aren’t going by 2011 performances, but just the 100 names they like in the league right now.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I would put Ben in the top 20 NFL players
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Have they released all the names so far?
I have to imagine that they would have put BR on the list. He is a phenominal QB that is a top 50 guy for sure.
by Mstevens_Design on May 9, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Only 100 to 81. If Ben is not on the list it is an embarrassment
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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez should not be in the top 100. He has little talent and arm strength. He is the worst QB of the young guys.
by MrPoopyPants on May 10, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah. I don't think its that serious. The difference between 86 & 90 is minimum,
and those slots are probably interchangeable.
I don’t think the actual numbers are the issue. It seems like everyone agrees with the range. If it was 89 and 90 I would still be a little miffed because Freeman is not better than Flacco.
by RulingWalnut on May 10, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I always vote the anti-Ravens option, for shits and giggles
But in all seriousness, I’d probably put Joe around 75ish on my list. To me though, it is kind of a dumb list to make. How do you compare the best OT in the league to the best CB? I have no idea.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
agreed, just being on this list is props to how good of a player you are. It’s very tough to decide who’s better out of two completely different posistions. I can see why people are having arguments over guys of the same posistion, but as the list goes on you will have people arguing who’s better out of Adrian Peterson and Patrick Willis?There really is no way to accurately judge that.
They should make lists of the top players
at EACH position, not collectively.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 10, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
ESPN is doing that right now. Guess NFL Network figured they had it covered.
by RulingWalnut on May 10, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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