Could Donovan McNabb Land With Ravens?
From a story in The Baltimore Sun, there is thought that current Washington Redskins QB Donovan McNabb could possibly end up being current Baltimore Ravens starting QB Joe Flacco's backup. How would that happen and would either team, much less McNabb be interested in this scenario?
One would think that the Ravens would be thrilled to have a player of McNabb's caliber as insurance for Flacco, just like they did when they had Marc Bulger in reserve during the 2010 season. The Redskins wouldn't care if he was in Baltimore and in fact, would prefer he be out of the NFC, much less no longer being a starter to come back and beat them.
At the same time, I just cannot see any way that Donovan would be willing to assume a bench role, as he still can and knows he has the abilities to start and succeed in the NFL. The story bases its premise on the feeling that the possibilities of McNabb going to teams that need a starting quarterback may be looking at other alternatives other than the former Eagles and soon-to-be former Redskins QB.
One thing is for sure, he'd certainly have to change his uniform number! That said, would Ravens fans welcome McNabb as Flacco's "insurance policy?"
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I’d rather have Gradkowski. He’s shown he can handle being a backup. Also, he always comes to play when he’s called upon.
Oh God...
Here we go again.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At what cost?
Would I be happy if he came here to be Flacco’s backup? Certainly. Is he going to be worth the cost to get him here? Not likely. If he comes as a steal, I’d welcome him happily, but I expect the cost to be well beyond reasonable for a backup QB.
Are you the ask a question to himself, and then answer said question guy? I think so.
Just messing with ya.
Welcome to the Beatdown ( If you’ve been here for some time, My bad)
by MrPoopyPants on May 18, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the question remains open, I just have an idea what the answer will be. Only time will tell though.
Never been much of a poster here, but I’ve been a long-time follower. Thanks, all the same.
by onethingiknow on May 18, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could get him for "Bulger money?"
$3M a season as the best backup in the NFL, with a promise that he could finally get that SB ring that he wouldn’t get in Arizona or stay in DC.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, its probably the only chance he’ll have to attend a Super Bowl again in his career.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
McNabb eh?
I say pass. Even if he was willing to take a paycut to come here, he’s not going to want to ride the bench all year. And I don’t know if I can deal with the “radicals” that will come out of the woodworks if Flacco has a bad first half, demanding that McNabb be put in. If we don’t want that type of B.S. here on the Beatdown, then I imagine Harbs doesn’t want that kind of cancer in the locker room either.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well I think we can all agree (well the reasonable people anyway) that McNair was better by far then the QB we already had when we aquired him. But McNabb > Flacco?! I don’t fucking think so!
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The players top 100 supports this statement.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It actually wasn’t that crazy considering we had one of the most talented defenses we ever had that year.
I thought w/ McNair
we would win the SB and might have if we had played just a bit better against Indy that year!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 18, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce, we didn't have a chance against Indy
The NFL had an agenda to get Manning and a black head coach a super bowl victory. That was a poorly officiated game based on the calls made and mostly the ones not made. They tried to get Indy in the year before, but every bad call made in the Steelers game could be challenged. They didn’t make the same mistake against us.
The NFL had an agenda to get Manning and a black head coach a super bowl victory
Now you are believing in conspiracy theories? Nice…
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
The game is so fast when you’re down on the field. Errors are bound to be made by officiating.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Should have been 19-0 with Bulger.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
most of the offense weapons we had were overall new besides Todd Heap,Mason,
Ray Rice, Leron Mcclain, and Willis Mcgahee.. Beleive it or not chemistry dont work over night it may in video games but not in real life. If there no chemistry that makes it hard for a offense to produce or for overall team to work together
Just look at the four games we lost and the playoff game
Four of the games we had the lead in the fourth quarter. The other game Flacco was shitting the bed and the coaches wouldn’t pull him. You can almost blame all those losses on poor coaching. We brought in all these offensive weapons and have a head coach who doesn’t know offense and an offensive coach who went 1-15 leading the Dolphins as a head coach.
Ok, so as you mentioned, 4 of our losses we had the lead in the 4th quarter. So please explain to me how its Flacco’s fault we lost? He obviously did enough to establish the lead in the first place, and he’s not to blame for our defense uncharacteristically failing to uphold the lead. Your argument is just flat out confusing!
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand that you’re pointing the finger at the coaching as well, but for someone who’s so critical of Joe, you should atleast not be blind to see that Joe is NOT the reason we lost those games.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please read what I write
I said I blame the coaches for the losses in the games. In the Pats game and the playoff game the defense was responsible for getting us the lead. The offense could barely score in the second half of those games. In the Falcons game the coaches were forced to open the game and we came back and lost on a missed penalty by the referees.
I did read what you wrote. What I’m asking is, for someone who just admitted that the coaching is mostly to blame for the games we did lose, how can you be so critical of Joe? Because what I get from what you wrote, is that Joe did his part to establish the lead, and the coaches are the ones who blew it
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In the Pats and playoff game against the Steelers
It comes down to one of two things. In the second halves either the play calling is so bad and watered down, or Joe just can’t finish against elite teams. I figure if I put some of the blame on the coaches people here don’t get their feelings hurt and start calling me names. In the Bengals game when Joe could do nothing, it’s the coaches job to pull the guy for someone who maybe can move the team. Joe is not going to pull himself.
Obviously the coaches had more faith in Joe Flacco to win the game
then Marc Bulger. it was said when we played the Atlanta Falcons;John Harbaugh was going to pull Joe Flacco out the game but quarterback coach Jim Zorn disagreed with John Harbaugh and said that it will be a wrong thing to do so. Joe Flacco after that lead the team to a comeback in the Atlanta Falcons game but they lost mostly do to the defense lack of ability to hold off the Falcons offense.
Joe Flacco is not perfect and he does have flaws in his game but what great quarterback doesnt at times.I dont see why you still talking about what happen in the past because its over and you should get over it .If you dont think Joe Flacco will succeed then thats your opinion but last year there was no chemistry between players on offense and the ofensive coaches had no chemistry with each other
by jazz20 on May 18, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what I want to see from Joe
is not forcing the ball in plays where the guy is the target but not open. In the first NE loss, he threw a costly pick at the end of the first half when we were already in FG range. He threw 2 in the Bengal loss, when the receiver was not close to being open. He tries to make plays which is good but needs to limit costly mistakes in the Red Zone. If the opponent comes back from a 4th quarter deficit, it looks like the defense let us down, which my be part of the problem, but turning the ball over deep in our own territory like the Steelers playoff loss, makes it that much mre difficult.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right
But I think last season he felt he needed to do more to counterbalance his limited chances later in games. You really see him taking those chances in the middle to later in the games when he only gets 1 throw every 3 series.
Maybe with another year under his belt and with WRs that can get open, he won’t have to force the ball into places. But I do completely agree with the fact that Joe needs to get better on that. If he does that, he will take the next leap.
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
I figure if I put some of the blame on the coaches people here don’t get their feelings hurt and start calling me names.
Don’t compromise your opinion. That statement alone leads me to believe that you have no faith in Flacco, thus leading to me wondering why you would contradict yourself by stating:
You can almost blame all those losses on poor coaching.
Or:
Joe just can’t finish against elite teams.
Choose one, and stick with it. Don’t waver just because you’re worried about people “calling you names”. I think after all the things you’ve been through (which you’ve been more than happy to share with us) a couple of guys sitting behind a keyboard giving you a hard time, should just be a hiccup in your “life’s journey”.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
That's the whole problem
Even people on this site are starting to not 100% blame Cam like they were during the season. The receivers were mad for not getting the ball when they were open, is that Joe’s fault or the offensive line not giving protection. One of his major faults is he is very slow at releasing the ball. I think he waits for the man to get open instead of anticipating where he will be. By the time Joe throws the ball he is under pressure. If he starts from the shotgun all the time you negate the running game.
I think we all know Joe Flacco faults and the coaches do to. Even ozzie newsome knows Joe Flacco has some faults and even said he needs to get better to erase those faults. I dont think the offense down falls are just Joe Flacco fault and I think every body from the coaches and players players a role into the down fall of the offense also lack of chemistry played a big part into that
Joe and most of the good QBs in this league all love to start from the shotgun. It provides so many advantages in the passing game. It’s easiar to read the defense. You don’t have to worry about Troy Polomalu jumping over both lines and tackling you. Anyone blitzing up the “A” gap has more time to get picked up. The QB doesn’t have to do a 3, 5, or 7 step drop. The shotgun is the present and the future for all offenses in the NFL.
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady probably line up in the shotgun 70% of the time. And if they line up 70% of the time in the shotgun, it’s right everytime. (that last sentence was a joke).
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem
TheShadow gets all offended because we laugh at him when he makes ridiculous statements about Joe and how Bulger is a better QB. Yet, he keeps setting himself up for it by coming back and starting a long ass thread about how we are all wrong.
Seriously Shadow…. we know how you feel about Flacco. Not to be a jerk, but just shut up about it already and you can’t get offended. Or if you are absolutely sure that Bulger is better, prove it to us all with some stats.
No one is on here to specifically make you feel bad and I have yet to see anyone call you names. As smart fans, we ask that you try and validate your opinion using factual information and not just by retyping in the same useless argument every time. If it weren’t for the fact that you seem genuinely hurt by this all, I would swear you are a Steeler fan that is trolling us hard for a laugh.
by Mstevens_Design on May 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t even both man, his opinion will never change.
- Troy Smith would have beaten the Colts in 2009
- Bulger would have gotten us a SB last year
- We need to sign Nhamdi because Jimmy Smith isn’t going to be a shutdown CB, and we don’t need Ngata, Rice or Joe to get their money.
- Steelers got lucky
- Packers got lucky
- The NFL conspires for the Steelers, Colts, Pats and a few others by telling the refs to make bad calls in the game so they continue to win
- Steelers only have 6 Superbowls because of steroids and refs helping them out.
- Jesus and baseball are somewhat relevant to Joe’s performance at QB.
Did I forget any?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I don't mind if his opinion doesnt change
He is entitled to believe whatever he wants. The problem I have is that he is getting all butthurt over us laughing at his ridiculous theories.
I just looked back at most of his posts and they are all comments on how Bulger is better than Flacco and nothing more. Yet he gets all whiny now that no one will listen to him or we immediately take everything as a Bulger>Flacco post.
Sorry, but he did that to himself and if he wants it to stop, he needs to make relavent posts/ stop posting his opinion or back it up with factual stats. I’m just tired of seeing every damn thread getting hijacked by this guy and his ridiculous theories that are nothing more than “Nuh Uh”
by Mstevens_Design on May 19, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He gets something out of these Flacco / Bulger arguments. Attention, discussion, or something else. I don’t know. He’d stop doing bringing it up if he didn’t like it.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be the first to admit
that I have some silly theories and opinions as well. However, I will come back with stats if I can (or if I’m not too lazy) or I’ll drop it if someone can prove me wrong or if it just becomes a stalemate and neither side is budging on the opinion.
But Shadow here just keeps marching forward with his opinion regardless of that fact that he is alone on that opinion and that no one wants to hear it anymore.
So seriously Shadow…. Go on a page and post something relevant about the team or its players for once that doesn’t relate to your opinion of Joe or Bulger and people will leave you alone and stop “calling you names”. If you simply can’t do that, then find another board to visit.
by Mstevens_Design on May 19, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we please just table this discussion
I don’t mind Bulger, I was happy we got him and even happier that he didn’t take one snap for this team last year.
Given that Bulger will probably be the Week One starter for the Cards (they have an “understanding”), I say we just wait and see what he can do with maybe the best WR in the league to throw to. I’d be very glad to see him succeed there and become the next Kurt Warner, however unlikely that may be. But for now, all of this is just talk about a guy who didn’t throw one pass last season. Let’s just leave this be until the whistle blows in the “next league year.”
Every time there’s more than 50 comments on a story it’s just more of this same BS. All this trolling and back and forth. smh
Nobody in the Shadows read this please.
“become the next Kurt Warner, however unlikely that may be”
Bulger’s already done it once before.
Gah!
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao, you're right
and it honestly could work out better this time around. It worked for Kurt—51 points to close out Rodgers and the Pack.
I’m not trying to call you guys out, I just think that at this point you have to label shadow a troll and just not respond to his comments. Bulger will not even be a Raven next year and esp. after this draft there’s plenty of current Ravens to spend keystrokes on
I have to agree with the troll statement
Shadow is a troll and should just be ignored at this point. I think he must be getting off to it and at this point we all agree that he’s dead wrong in his assessment of Bulger>Flacco
by Mstevens_Design on May 19, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't look now but
Bulger may return!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of agree with that. I don’t think Bulger will be as coveted as a lot of people think. He hasn’t played a full season in several years, and I’ve read some items where people think he may be gun shy because of all the hits he’s taken. And, oh yeah, he’s had some major concussion issues. I say bring him back on the cheap.
These are Ravens fans discussing how one fan’s opinion is wrong, how are we trolling our own blog?
As for Bulger, I am sure everyone here will agree that he definitely still has some serious talent left. It would be cool to see him make a huge come back with Arizona. Bulger is the fastest QB ever to 1000 completions. But there is no way he is better than Joe at this point and never showed one sign of that being the case, which is what Shadow argues.
He keeps talking about how we should have benched Joe for his week 2 performance against Cinci, but we keep telling him that Joe has the best QB rating in the league from that point on and Shadow doesn’t even respond to it because he knows how dumb his comment is to begin with.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Heres a quote from Tony Softli who was a former executive with the Rams.
“Arizona is in the hunt for Kolb and Kyle Orton(notes), who is presently on Denver’s roster,” Softli wrote for ESPN 101 Sports in St. Louis. “Marc Bulger was rumored to be headed there last season, but ownership rejected the transaction. A backup to Joe Flacco(notes) with the Baltimore Ravens, he is in the right spot as a No. 2. Shell-shocked quarterbacks really struggle with happy feet and give up on a play rather than stand in there and throw under pressure.”
I like Bulger
I think he is a good guy and a class act. It isn’t that we dislike Bulger in any way, but to say that Bulger would have won us a SuperBowl when Joe couldn’t is pretty silly.
I have also heard that Arizona has soured on him and is looking at other people now.
by Mstevens_Design on May 19, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, seeing the Kolb talk now
I think Kolb to anywhere in the NFC West would be exciting, shake up that division. I remember reading on ESPN Stats that Kolb had the highest QB rating in the league the two weeks he came back in for Vick.
I’m excited to see us play Bradford, Locker. maybe Kolb or Bulger next year, and whoever the Seahawks bring in
Yup, thanks Mstevens. The guy is completely irrational, and gets so upset when someone (everyone) disagrees with him. He’s been through so much in his life, but people arguing with him over his infatuation with Bulger is just too much to handle.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 19, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mstevens
Show me where I said Bulger was a better quarterback than Flacco. Once again, another person who does not read what I write. You wants stats, do you want to compare the Rams with the Ravens. And you call me out of sync, that’s like comparing apples and oranges. If you want stats have the Ravens put Bulger, the 3.8 million dollar man in the game, then you will have stats to compare. Jim Plunkett wins the 1980 super bowl and is MVP with the most dysfunctional team in the league. Pull me up some stats from New England and San Fran that shows he would win the super bowl, there are none. Stats are only for accountants, and they don’t play football. Tom Brady hasn’t won a playoff game in how many years, but you bring him here and I guarantee we will be in the supewr bowl the first year, without all this chemistry bullshit everybody uses as Flacco’s excuse. He’s a third year rookie who needs to see an experienced veteran at the helm of this team. StuckinUtah, people calling me names doesn’t bother me, it just shows peoples immaturity and makes this site and Bruce look bad. If you and the other people don’t do anything about it all you will have is trolls coming here acting like everyone else.
Stats are only for accountants, and they don’t play football.
This is actually one of the only things I ever liked in any of your comments. Very nice.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Nobody here is using the Ravens offense lack of chemisry as a excuse for Joe Flacco. you said if tom brady was here we would had been in the super bowl, of course its freaking tom brady he could help just about any team get to the super bowl. Chemistry is important beleive that or not. When the patriots traded Randy Moss did they sign just some random free agent wideout? no. The Patriots traded their draft pick for seattle seahawks wideout Deion Branch.Branch was orginally a patrot before he got signed to the seahawks but once he came back to the patriots he immediately set it off with Tom Brady and had a good year unlike he was having in seattle for the past two years. When Peyton Manning lost Austin Colle, Dallas Clark,Anthony Gonzalez, and Tom Santi to injuries;Manning start sucking it up and not looking himself in the games and they start losing games that they should had won.
Show me where I said Bulger was a better quarterback than Flacco…..Tom Brady hasn’t won a playoff game in how many years, but you bring him here and I guarantee we will be in the supewr bowl the first year
You have said that Bulger would have gotten us to a SuperBowl by now. By your round about logic, you are comparing Bulger to Tom Brady now. Don’t you dare try and weasel out of what you have said multiple times. It seems that the more we bash your half baked opinion, the more covert it seems to get. Now you aren’t hating on Flacco directly, but the coaching to keep Flacco in the game…. which is bashing Flacco for playing poorly. Either stand up and be a man about your opinion and show factual information and not some silly analogy to curling or some other sport that has 0% to do with Football, or just leave the damn thing alone already.
The fact of the matter is that you can compare the Ravens and the Rams when Bulger first got the starting position. The rams had a better O-line and better offensive weapons and the Rams underperformed. When the O-line of the Rams got worse, Bulger got severely worse with it. Hell his old GM even said that Bulger is “gunshy” and “shell shocked” and has called him pretty much useless.
Your argument is that we will never know if Bulger is better because we won’t put him in. I don’t see Tom Brady’s or Peyton Manning’s backup going in the games when they do poorly. Who knows, the guy behind Brady might end up being the first QB to throw for 10,000 yards in a season.
By your weird ass logic, any 2nd stringer could possibly be the next Hall of Famer. While that is possibly true, I think I would trust the judgment of the Raven’s coaches and GMs to evaluate talent over someone that must have a Bulger rookie card that he needs to be worth something.
Your argument that
Stats are only for accountants, and they don’t play football./blockquote> No stats actually help us determine a pattern about a player or a team. In similar situations (Bulger playing behind the Ram’s Oline is similar to playing behind our line), you can clearly see that Bulger’s completion percentage is piss poor and that he completely breaks down as a player. Now stats can be manipulated to go one way or another, but I guarantee that you couldn’t find stats that are relevant, that would show Bulger is a better QB at this time in his career or even in the last 5 years.
You are simply trolling and its getting sad now. The only thing you ever seem to bring up is your dislike of Flacco
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Just so I can prove a point
Its hard to be a better QB, when you can’t play an entire season. In Bulger’s 10 year career, he has only had 1 season in which he played all 16 games.
In that 1 season, he had stats that are eerily similar to all of Flacco’s 3 seasons (mid 60% completion percentage / 25TDs, 8 INTs / 7.3YD average).
So my point remains…. Bulger at his best can do as well as Flacco. At his worst, he plays 7 games in a season and spends the rest of the time on the bench. Those are the stats that prove a point. Those are stats that go along with the video of Bulger getting concussion after concussion because he moves like a bag of wet rocks in a pool of cement covered in maple syrup. Behind our line last year, he wouldnt have made it through 1 game and according to his entire career’s stats, he would have done just as well as Flacco.
My biggest stat that proves Bulger is mediocre, is his last season in STL, he bot benched in favor of Kyle Boller! I think we all agree that Boller is not great, and he got the start over Bulger.
Also using Plunkett as your excuse is really lame. For that 1 excuse of a QB that was piss poor his entire career (he only reached 60% completion percentage in 1 season, the rest were in the 40’s and 50’s, including that superbowl season) and won a superbowl, I can show you at least a hundred players with equal stats that couldn’t win a dozen games in their careers.
So yeah!
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t use stats to prove a point with this guy. You have to think like the Shadow. You have to come up with something like Flacco is the same height as Michael Jordan so that’s why he will lead us to the Super Bowl. You could also try saying when I tried out for the JV junior high basketball team I found out that i struggled against tall guys, so that’s why Flacco has an advantage over Bulger. See you got to think like the Shadow and put it so he can understand the argument.
by AV23 on May 20, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But piss poor Plunkett won a super bowl and was MVP
And how did that happen, oh yea, THEY PUT HIM IN THE GAME INSTEAD OF RIDING THE BENCH!
Me: Yo Trent! Do you have to be a great QB of a winning team?
Trent: No, but it really fucking helps dumbass.
Me: True
by MrPoopyPants on May 20, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont know who plunkett is and thats good
he won a super bowl. Maybe if the Ravens bench Joe Flacco in the playoff game against the steelers we would had seen the Ravens in the superbowl but honestly we really dont know if Bulger could had done better than Joe Flacco or not . The Coaches saw Joe Flacco and Marc Bulger practice all the time im sure if Bulger was showing a better performance then Joe Flacco they would had bench him by now but obviously Joe Flacco must had been the better guy.
Marc Bulger may have more experience then Joe Flacco but I dont think we can judge Bulger on his way past success to now because right now its a little unknown if Bulger is still good like he was in 2006.
Thats a valid point
Something like… Joe wears a size 13 shoe and you know what they say about men with big feet… that helps him get more leverage into his throws so he can fire rockets, mixed with his ability with the ladies giving him the confidence to make accurate throws.
All while Bulger was a spot a pot worker when he was young, so he has a small cake of fecal matter on his hands that makes the ball come out a little sideways leading to more interceptions.
Oh and you can’t forget that Al Gore created the internet and Boy George was big in the 80’s, so I mean that obviously points to why Bulger is inferior to Flacco and is actually John Stamos’ nephew.
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter how you get in.
Their coaches were probably like ours as well as their fans like you fans. But there were a lot of happy Raider fans when the final seconds ran out on the clock.
Why do you think Joe Flacco is the most blitzed quarterback in the NFL.
Not because other teams want his autograph.
The same Rams exec who called Bulger shell shocked
Also called Kurt Warner shell shocked. He took his team to the super bowl and basically beat the Steelers if not for pathetic officiating. A shell shocked quarterback taking a good team to the super bowl, we sure don’t want that.
Talking to yourself again I see.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Its kinda funny now
He has yet to respond to my long ass posts that have factual information in them. On top of that he has responded with the “nuh uh” response to everyone else’s posts.
He is just a hardcore troll at this point. So how is the weather over there Malor?
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You have yet to give any facts
That on a good team like Warner ended up on his results would not be the same. You just want to compare apples and oranges instead of putting your money where your mouth is and put the guy in the game. You can spew jibberish all you want to, but until he plays everything you say is just jibberish.
I've posted nothing but Facts
I’ve given you career and year stats. I’ve pointed out that Flacco last year was on par with the top QBs in the league.
If your only argument is “You don’t know unless you play him”, you can say that about anyone. Ray Lewis could be a chump compared to some teacher in Aberdeen. Why dont we all try out for the team and play each week? Who knows, I could be the next Peyton Manning and I could throw for 1000 yards in my first game!
Shadow, your argument would have to work for every player in every position. By your argument, Brady should have been pulled when he sucked against us… You never know that his backup could be even better than he is.
Youre a troll and its just annoying. I wish you would just go on another board. I think Cleveland could use a fan like you over there, so you might want to head on over.
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and for my Browns to finally reclaim their place in the NFL.
So EVERY person on this blog is wrong for saying we would have been worse with him in there, but you are correct for saying we would have been better, even though you never saw him play?
So until he plays, everything YOU say is complete and utter bullshit.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Thank you!
If anything, the fact that we have been using stats the entire time would put us more in the right than Shadow.
I still will put $20 that he doesnt play an entire season next year…. or he doesnt have more than 3000 yards. If he is so great Shadow, then he should easily be able to do 1 of those things.
by Mstevens_Design on May 21, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just some more stats and factual info
Last year, Flacco was the second most sacked QB in the game right behind Jay Cutler. Yet during his onslaught, he was the 7th highest QB rating, the 11th highest yards, 10th in TDs all while having the 22nd ranked number of attempts per game.
At no time during Bulger’s career was he ranked as a top 10 QB. Bulger has had the same opportunities with the Rams as Joe has had with the Ravens.
If you are to compare their entire careers (10 years vs 3 years), Flacco has half of the total yards of Bulger. If you want to compare percentages, Flacco has a 2.4% INT to Attempt ratio (for every 100 attempts, he has 2.4 INTs) while Bulger has a 2.9% INT to Attempt ratio. If you want to compare QB ratings, Flacco has 87.9 vs Bulger’s 84.4 rating.
Your argument has switched from Bulger is a better player to Bulger should have gotten a shot when Joe sucks. Let us define how long a player should be given with a poor performance before being pulled…..
1) A play?…. That would be silly, everyone can’t be perfect every play
2) A series?… How do you define if it is solely the QBs fault and not the O-line, RB, WRs, etc on some plays. You also have to think that coaching choices and matchups during that series could have affected things
3) A game?…. Every player has a bad game. Looking at a sure HOF QB in Brady, he had 2 games where his QB rating was under 73. Would you have pulled him after either of those games?
Flacco had 3 performances under 73 QB rating. After Flacco’s poor performance against Cincy, he came out and had a 128 rating the next week and actually never had a bad rating after that until week 17. If you hold Brady to the same standard as Flacco, you couldnt have pulled him and you would have been wrong to do so.
So, can you please actually respond to factual information and create an argument based on something that isnt just “nuh uh”?
by Mstevens_Design on May 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course he won’t have anything relevant to stay to that. Probably will say “what are you a Moron? You never know until you try and that is the only fact that matters. Who would have thought Rudy would have ever got in the game? Nobody except for him and when he did he was a game changer and they won the game.”
I believe The Shadow really did actually compare Bulger to Rudy getting in the game at one time.
Yep he did!!
At this point, this is just fun for me to come at him with stats. Its like a car wreck… you should just drive past, but you end up looking the whole time.
I think he also put a Jesus reference in somewhere too, but that could just be the mythology of TheShadow at this point and not fact. Has anyone thought this is really just Mark Bulger?
by Mstevens_Design on May 21, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You can throw all the numbers and stats all you want
But when crunch time comes we still end up watching some other team in the super bowl. You can have your accountant crunch all the numbers you want, but a deer in the headlights still gets hit by the car. How many dump off passes to Rice or little sideline outs to Mason can you throw to pad your stats. That’s not what gets you to the big dance. All those stats look good, but I think Marino would rather have a super bowl ring like Dilfer, Plunkett and Warner.
Do all your stats and facts
show that a sixteen year veteran thrown out on the field because of necessity would go 9-0 and lead his team to an undefeated season and the only undefeated team to also win a super bowl. I think of a twenty year career he only played 4 complete seasons. He played when the defense was allowed to beat the shit out of you any way possible.
Once again another example with no relevance. Yes another QB came in and won the game, but he only got his chance because Griese Broke his leg. They didn’t bench Griese for performance, but because of injury. Funny how the only cases you can find are QB’s getting hurt and not benched for performance. You know why you can’t? Because you DON’T bench franchise QB’s because they struggle in a game. Nobody does that because it’s a ridiculous idea. If you were running the show you probably would send Flacco to practice squad and when Bulger struggles,start Cantwell. I really am almost starting to think that you are just some bored guy trying to start stuff on a blog for your entertainment. Some of the stuff you type sounds like you are a complete idiot or you have to be joking.
AV23
I’ve come to the conclusion that its either Bulger or his agent. No one can have that much love for a mediocre QB except his mom and the guy getting paid to love him.
I’m sorry Bulger…. at one time you were decent, but the Rams really messed you up. At this point in your career, you just need to sit down and try to teach some things to the younger players. Unfortunately you wont start on any team that could offer any solid type of an O-line, so I would either retire or sign for the vet minimum here.
by Mstevens_Design on May 21, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You can throw all the numbers and stats all you want
Can I get this framed?
I think New England has been doing fairly well with that strategy over the past decade or so. In addition, you can’t blame that on Flacco, just like I can’t blame it on you. You both have as much to do with the plays being called and if a WR gets open or if protection breaks down.
How many dump off passes to Rice or little sideline outs to Mason can you throw to pad your stats. That’s not what gets you to the big dance.
At least we have broken you down to the point where you absolutely know Flacco is the better option from a sheer stat standpoint. Its a pretty good start if I do say so myself
by Mstevens_Design on May 21, 2011 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think New England has been doing fairly well with that strategy over the past decade or so.
Haha, yea they have. Brady and BB run the most conservative offense in the league, and it works. Just like it works for us.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
But when crunch time comes we still end up watching some other team in the super bowl
So do 30 other teams, does that mean they need to bench their QBs too. Manning, Brady, Rivers, and Brees should all be riding the pine next year by your estimation. I wonder if any of those guys could come cheap over here? I mean, they didnt win the title, so they must be awful players right?
The only QB on the roster last year to have that was Bulger. He had that look in preseason at times and even a little when the camera panned to him on the sidelines. Nothing says “deer in the headlights” quite like your old GM calling you that and no teams being interested in picking you up even as a backup.
but a deer in the headlights still gets hit by the car.
by Mstevens_Design on May 21, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I proved my point
An older aging quarterback can come in and take over the reigns, FOR WHATEVER REASON, and take a team to and win the super bowl or lead the team to an undefeated season. Since your only defense is looking at insignificant stats or what some other GM has to say, how many super bowl rings does Dan Marino have?
How were my stats insignificant?
I proved that Bulger is a mediocre QB through stats and what his own GM thought of him. Hell, Ozzie can’t think he is amazing or he would have started him in game 1.
Your reasoning is that 1 older QB came in and led a team to a Superbowl. How many times has that happened since? hmmm?
The reason Dan Marino doesnt have any rings isnt Dan’s fault. You can’t throw for the most yards in a season ever and get blamed for not winning it all.
Your a troll. A silly little troll. So go troll somewhere else
by Mstevens_Design on May 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not saying Joe Flacco is great like Peyton Manning but I wonder why when Peyton Manning was having a terrible game against the patriots why wasnt he pulled out the game? you mention one game that Joe Flacco played very bad on and that was the bengels game but after the Bengels game you can’t deny the fact Joe Flacco got way better from there.It is very clear you dont like Joe Flacco as the starting quarterback and thats is fine but you cant deny the fact that this guy gets it done
I guessed that we were going to win the SB that year. McNair was the last piece to the puzzle for that team. I had them going 14-2. That 2006 defense was better talent wise than the 2000 defense in my opinion.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I guessed that we were going to win the SB that year. McNair was the last piece to the puzzle for that team. I had them going 14-2. That 2006 defense was better talent wise than the 2000 defense in my opinion.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
no, dont like it.
mcnab shud be startin for someone.not a backup.still hope he wins a superbowl somewhere.sucks how people keep dissin him..anybody see wat that jack@ss hopkins said about him??….stupid summbitch..anyway. always been a fan of mcnab.he’l be a starter somewhere.hopefully
by purple_reign2011 on May 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
McNab’s time has passed. His skills have diminished. He’d need a team / defense like our 2000 Ravens to win a SB now. That really can’t happen anymore with all the rule changes.
Even some of the greatest of all time (Marino) don’t get to win a SB. And role playing QBs (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer) sometimes do.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
McNabb would be an excellent backup, but I don't see it happening
Not with the Vikings in desperate need for a quality starting QB. McNabb—>Minnesota has been the most likely scenario in my mind for some time now.
There are other, more reasonable options available. I think Hasselbeck might even work out if the Seahawks fail to re-sign him.
Not to mention, a certain free agent by the name of JaMarcus “Purple Drank” Russell…
Shawn Camp earned my dog several beatings back in 2007
by wtbudlight on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT
No thanks, NEXT!
I would love for us to go after Billy Volek. Veteran QB and he knows how to sling it.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
He hasn’t played significant time since 2004. I think we can do better.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Back ups don’t usually see alot of time. I doubt we bring in a guy who has started significant time over the last 3 years.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Gradkowski, McNabb, Kerry Collins, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinhart, Matt Moore, Matt Hasselbeck, Bulger are some of the options out there.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And most of those guys I don’t see coming here. McNabb, Collins, Grossman, Hassellback and Bulger are not going to be Ravens in my opinion.
I still want Billy Volek.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I thought the Ravens would just be satisfied with Tyrod Taylor and Cantwell to battle it
out for the backup quarterback role but a veteran would be fine
Ozzie did come out saying that he will be looking for a veteran QB once the off-season starts, so Taylor and Cantwell will more than likely be battline for 3rd string or practice squad if we only keep two QB’s again.
Taylor will get picked up if we put him on the practice squad. He’ll be our 3rd stringer.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, he has the 3rd string locked down for sure. Ozzie stated he wants to develop Taylor.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
oh also I dont think Mcnabb would work out to well any way because
for one he still can be a starter and should also isnt he more better in a west coast offense than a air coryell offense?
I say we bring in Vince Young to back up Joe. He may not be the greatest, but his winning percentage is better then people give him credit for.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on May 18, 2011 6:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wouldn’t mind that either.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I like his talent but he’s shown he’s a true head case. He seems too sketchy.
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Seattle. Arizona wants Kolb and I think Minn should go with Ponder, he is a solid QB.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I know you watch the ACC. You really think Ponder is good?
His stats a pretty awful for college.
Didn’t he get pulled at the end of the season for the back up?
by MrPoopyPants on May 19, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He got hurt at the end of the year I believe. I just like his moxy and determination. Guy can also throw a tight ball. He will take some time to get acclimated, but he is going to be a solid QB.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
All for VY
Stats show he has the best deep ball of any qb in the game, and he’s still fairly young. He could get the ball to Torrey Smith, and imo he can be a pretty good game manager, Titans offense didn’t require that many throws but when called upon he made them.
And someone above posted Bulger’s salary was $3m, it was actually $3.8m, and I loved that, thought it was a great swagger pickup that showed the Ravens were serious about an SB. It looks like Bulger’s headed to a starting gig with the Cards and from there is only a short leap away from the playoffs.
VY was due $8.5m in 2011, so even $4m might seem like a letdown, but it’s also not chump change either, and as a holding pattern where he can heal up, keep his nose clean, do a media blitz on his maturing process, etc. and even mentor young Tyrod Taylor, I think the Ravens backup role has to be an attractive gig with a proven record, like Troy Smith and esp. Bulger, of being a stepping stone to a starting gig.
VY would not be getting the ball to Torrey because he won’t be starting. Joe is our guy and we are in search for his backup, not to bring competition during training camp.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
by Mr MaLoR on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yup--my comments were for VY as a backup
Last paragraph there was for making a case for why VY might land here as a backup even though imo he could start on another team. Also, he was due a $4m roster bonus on top of that $8.5m, so it looks like he’ll be taking a major pay cut almost wherever he goes




















