NFL Mock Draft: Round 2
by Bruce Raffel on Apr 29, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
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PrintAfter a first round in last night's 2011 NFL Draft, which included a lot less trades than expected but a lot more surprise picks, the second and third rounds will be held this evening starting at 6:30pm. With a ton of talent left on the draft board, there is sure to be more trades and interesting picks. With that in mind, SB Nation just completed a Round Two Mock Draft, starting off wondering where will Clemson DE Da'Quan Bowers land?
Bowers was originally thought to be a top ten pick and at one point was projected to go as high as first overall. However, a horrible Pro Day that raised questions about the status of his knee made that thud you heard last night being the sound of his stock dropping as well as his future paycheck.
So who do the Ravens take with the 26thpick of the second round?
Da'QuanBowers certainly won't be aroundwhen the Baltimore Ravens make their pick in the second round, 58thover, much less the 3rd round (90th overall), andthat would be fine withme, as the last thing the Ravens need is another defensive player with healthconcerns (see Sergio Kindle). SB Nation has him going to the ClevelandBrowns with the 37th overall pick andpairing him withfirst round pick, DT Phil Taylor (Baylor).
Sticking wiith the AFC North, this 2nd round mock draft has the Cincinnati Bengals selecting TCU QB Andy Dalton as an insurance policy for the uncertainty of veteran Carson Palmer. That sets up a young passing duo of Dalton to first round pick, WR A.J. Green (Georgia). SB Nation has the Pittsburgh Steelers taking a much needed offensive lineman, OG Will Rackey (Lehigh), a small-school player but highly rated nonetheless.
With the 58th pick of the 2011 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select....Jerrel Jernigan, wide receiver, Troy. This is what SB Nation says about Jernigan:
"The Ravens need youth and speed at receiver, and Jernigan provides both, along with slot and return skills."
According to CBSSports.com, Jerniganis a 5'9", 190 pound wideout with blazing speed. He ran a 4.32 40-yard dash andfits into the Ravens plans as a slot receiver. He also can return both punts and kickoffs. At Troy, he was a three-time All-Sun Belt Conference selection at WR, twice as a kick returner. He is the all-time leader in receptions, receiving andall-purpose yards at both Troy as well as in Sun Belt Conference history.
Jernigancaught 84 passes in 2010, with six TDs. He added over 300 rushing yards and two more scores as well as a punt and kickoff return for touchdowns, giving him a total of eleven scores in 2010.
Jerrel may not have been sent to the Ravens from Krypton, which is where Superman came from when his father (Jor El) sent him here, but he might just be the savior that the Ravens need to open up this offense and add a versatile and dangerous spark.
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I guess the chances are pretty slim for the Ravens to get Leonard Hankerson or
Titus Young I had the feeling that Jon Baldwin was going to be selected in the first rounf
If the draft works out like it does in the one above, I would hope we go with Hankerson and Martez Wilson over Jernigan.
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I say we either try to land T Smith or Hankerson, or go after Ayers/Wilson/Houston and trade up to grab a WR in the early 3rd.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And what the hell, let’s roll the dice and grab Matthews as well. I think our 4th, a 6th, and maybe even a 7th should be plenty enough to gain us another 3rd.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trading up
Yes, I really hope the Ravens grab another 2nd or high 3rd pick. This is where having Chicago’s 4th would have helped in such a trade.
Fuck Chicago.
Supposedly, Bisciotti is pissed about what Chicage did and demanding the league give us some compensation for the mess up. Would be nice to get their 4th round pick, because had KC chosen Smith over us, there would have been hell to pay.
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I imagine Bisciotti throwing chairs and shit when that was happening.
by Mayne_Event on Apr 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He should be, Chicago embarrassed us. People on ESPN and NFL Network were ragging on Baltimore for a while without knowing what happened.
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Yeah that was bullshit. The first 8 minutes Kiper was going off about what a draft genius Ozzie is, then the talk gradually changed to “what the hell is Baltimore doing”. I’d like to personally bitch slap whoever was on Chicago’s end of the phone line.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chicago owned up to the screw-up
which is good enough for me. A 4th rounder would be an insane gift and I don’t expect anything. A caller into Sirius’ NFL Radio from Chicago said the Bears were wrong and he was sorry their team made the mistake and it wasn’t anything B-More did wrong.
Most people know it wasn’t Ozzie, but my question is “why did you wait until the last few seconds?”
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Apr 29, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
but my question is "why did you wait until the last few seconds?"
Well, Chicago had told Ozzie they were going to make the call to New York about the trade and two people were told by Chicago to make the call, and both thought the other had done it already. Ozzie had firm confirmation that the trade was going down until he saw that they did not announce anything.
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Oz finalized his end with 2.5 minutes left.
by MrPoopyPants on Apr 29, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
FUCK Chicago!
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Depth at various positions
Wide Receiver has a lot of value in both rounds 2 and 3. The Ravens won;t need to reach, though of course different receivers have different characteristics.
For the offensive line, there is a fair amount of depth at center and guard but not at tackle. Last night was the chance to grab a starting tackle so it is looking more likely that Yanda will be a starting tackle again this year, except if we get a free agent one. However there is definitely starter material at guard in rounds 2 and 3; just not as much as WR.
Defensive end has almost no depth in rounds 2 and 3. Any DE we get will likely be tomorrow and likely be a project.
Outside linebacker however is fairly deep for today, partially because a lot of them were passed up yesterday. There’s a fair chance we can find a rush LB, but I hope we don’t reach like we have in the past.
Inside linebacker there’s almost no one. Maybe three players who merit consideration in 2 or 3. Casey Matthews is one of them.
Safety has some people, particularly for round 3 and 4; less for round 2. A lot of mediocre players at this position.
If the Ravens want a fullback there will be a few high quality guys. They just gotta figure out what to do with McClain. This is where having free agency after the draft really messes with the Ravens.
Quarterback. I am not a fan of picking a QB today. After Dalton, Mallet, and Kapernick go off the boards the only one who rates today will be Stanzi. Everyone else is a day 3 pick or free agent.
The other position that has a ton of depth in 2 and 3, about as much as QR is cornerback. Obviously we won’t take a CB in round 2 but rounds 3, 4, 5 will all see value for CB as a BPA. Cary Williams should be sweating today and it could be we pick a second CB knowing that we will lose at least one CB to free agency.
I doubt we go CB again. We want our current guys back besides Fabian. I think it would be a mistake for us to let either of Wilson or Carr leave. They seem to want to come back here and they are the type of players that will take a little less money to stay with a Superbowl caliber team instead of going somewhere else.
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I don’t see it happening. DeCosta said he doesn’t like taking CB after the 3rd round, and I highly doubt we would take 2 CB in the first 3 rounds. If there are a bunch of CB at our 2nd or 3rd round pick, I expect us to trade down and let another team jump up and grab one.
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If Ras-I Dowling is still there when the Ravens pick I cant seem them passing up
on him thats another shutdown cornerback or a good safety. The Ravens will have to go defense in the second round their will be some other available fast wideouts in the later rounds like Cecil Short,Edmond Gates and etc
If Dowling is there, I see us trading down and letting another team get him. There is no need for us to draft another CB right after we took Smith, just doesn’t make sense when there will obviously be other guys there that Ozzie likes that can help in a different position.
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its gonna be wideout
maybe an OLB on a trade up
i need to make some picks for a tie breaker on a pool
we need to pick:
the 33rd overall pick
the Ravens next two overall picks
we just need a position. here are the eligible positions:
QB
RB
WR
TE
OL – Offensive Line (OT, OG, and C)
DL – Defensive Line (DT and DE)
LB – MLB & OLB
CB
S
What say you?
what are the odds...
that NE trades #33 to a team for a QB?
who do they take if they stay?
I say the odds are very likely. If they stay, I could see Brooks Reed or Greg Little going to them.
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No one would have reached for James Carpenter or Danny Watkins in the first who both had 2nd round grades. Just saying, teams think differently of players. One team having a 3rd round grade for Little could have a 2nd round grade for him. We have no idea where he will go.
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My top 10 I want Baltimore to take in the 2nd.
1. WR Torrey Smith
2. OLB Brooks Reed
3. WR Greg Little
4. ILB Martez Wilson
5. DE Allen Bailey
6. WR Titus Young
7. WR Leonard Hankerson
8. OT Marcus Gilbert
9. OG Clint Boling
10. OG Rodney Hudson
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There you go. Hopefully Ozzies board looks something just like that. I really hope we can attain another 3rd.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d put Rahim Moore somewhere in that list.
by Mayne_Event on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, but I don’t want to double dip in the secondary with Smith now. I am pressing more towards a WR right now with how many good ones are left.
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I just think Ed Reed could turn him into the greatest player to come out of this draft and that’s something that isn’t easy to pass up.
by Mayne_Event on Apr 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
My top ten…
1. DE Da’Quan Bowers (IFF his knee checks out)
2. OLB Justin Houston
3. DT Marvin Austin
4. OLB Brooks Reed
5. RB Mikel LeShoure
6. OT Marcus Gilbert or Orlando Franklin
7. ILB Martez Wilson
8. WR Torrey Smith
9. LB Sam Acho or Akeem Ayers
10. WR Titus Young or Greg Salas
1. DE Da’Quan Bowers (IFF his knee checks out)
I have read numerous reports today that said Bowers may only have a 4-5 year long career. I am not so high on him anymore if he can go from the 1st overall pick in mocks to not even getting drafted in the first round. His knee must be really messed up and we don’t need that type of player in the trenches.
10. WR Titus Young or Greg Salas
You would rather have Salas in the 2nd over Little of Hankerson? Salas is probably gonna go in the 4th or 5th round. Hankerson and Little are far better picks than Salas is.
Real G's move in silence like lasagna
I'd be fine with Jernigan.
I’d rather take a chance an almost as explosive but larger receiver like Torrey Smith. It’s just wait and see who’s available
Bad attitude, drug use continuing, the more they look at the tape the more teams see a player who takes off plays.
That’s what I am hearing. All of it. Some teams are saying he’s only with a 4th round pick now.
Realize I have no idea how true all of that is. At this point it is plausible that Houston is still projected as a high 2nd round pick and will be picked there-just like say Ayers and we’ll say that he fell some but within the normal margin of error. But let’s see if he gets to mid-late 2nd round…
Really good comment I read on a story by James Walker of ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/27098/should-bears-owe-ravens-compensation#comments
Granted I am a little bias but I think that the Bears should give the Ravens the pick. If there is no consequences for backing out of an agreed trade what’s stopping teams from doing the same thing the Bears did and running out the clock on potential trade partners, as a strategy to jump teams in the draft? If you make the Bears give up their pick you set a precident so that this will not happen again.
What this ready said makes alot of sense. What is stopping teams from just screwing each other over from taking a really good player? What if a division opponent said they wanted to trade with a guy like Jimmy Smith on the board, but was just going to back out at the last second and hope the team next in line would take that player and screw you over so that your opponent doesn’t have to go up against him?
Something has to be done here the more and more I read about it.
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Right
When I read the whole story I thought that what why Jerry Angelo apologized so strongly was because of damage control. He wanted to calm down the Ravens so they wouldn’t press for compensation.
But what if, just what if, another team sees what happened with us and decides that if they aren’t going to be penalized for it and than why not screw a team over? Like the reader stated above, if you make the Bears give up their pick you set a precedent that this will not happen again.
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Oh I totally agree with that logic.
Chicago will fight it though and say they are reeeallly really sorry and say it won’t happen ever ever again. And no hard no foul and bullshit like that. So the question is, will the league office move to set a new precedent this quickly? I kind of doubt it. More likely they will say they will study the situation and make a ruling down the line for future trade snafus.
I hope I am wrong but I have little faith in the league office right now.
If this happened to one of the media’s favorite teams, then there is no question that it would be addressed.
by Mayne_Event on Apr 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Of Mike Mayock’s top 10 players available in the 2nd round, none of them were WR. Could be good news for us that Smith, Hankerson, Little or Young falls to us.
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That would be awesome. I’d like to see us grab Ayers/Houston/Reed and then see what we can do to still grab one of those receivers. But that’s probably just wishful thinking. Especially with me wanting to draft Matthews as well, but a man can dream right?
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The guy compared himself to Boldin and just looking at him, he looks like a baller. Remember, I can tell alot about a guy just by looking at his face. He has the face of a bad ass.
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Remember, I can tell alot about a guy just by looking at his face. He has the face of a bad ass.
You and your face philosophy. What does Jimmy Smith’s face tell you?
but litttle doesnt have that type of speed that will scare opposing defenses
I like him but it wouldn’t be a good pick if the Ravens dont add another wideout that has speed unless that have totally confidents in David Reed that he could provide the speed they need
Reed could very well be that dynamic threat and Little would just be a younger, bigger Boldin. I will take a player like Little on my team for sure, the guy is non stop. I have a very, very strong feeling Ozzie and DeCosta are in love with this guy.
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you are right but how will he actrally compliment Boldin and Mason
if he doesn’t have that speed to strecth the field i think he ran a 4.50 at the combine but I wouldnt be mad if we do draft him but the question is who will be the speedster on the team to open things up?
I mean, you don’t need to have 4.3 speed to be a deep threat. Little had some huge plays at UNC. I agree that he isn’t a home run type WR like Torrey or Titus, but the guy is by far the most physical WR I have seen in this draft and does alot of things after the catch that are pretty incredible. Also is an outstanding blocker, and I think Ozzie has taken notice of this.
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I think we need to make a move to grab Ayers, Houston, or Reed. Jimmy was too good to pass up at #26, but we could still use some help with our pass rush. Then we try to move up to the early 3rd and grab one of our coveted receivers. Its either that it try and get Torrey in the 2nd, and just abandon the idea of drafting a pass rusher who will make an immediate impact. As after some of these early 2nd round guys, the talent drop off is quite significant. Ideally I’d love for us to end up with Houston, Torrey Smith, and Casey Matthews, but I don’t think we have the ammo to do all the trading up that it would require to pull it off.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think we need to make a move to grab Ayers, Houston, or Reed
I certainly wouldn’t be against this. Those guys would only make Smith better. I would preferably have Houston or Reed because it seems Ayers is going to be better suited as a 4-3 OLB. Brooks Reed would be a dream come true though, but someone is most likely going to reach early for him. Patriots could very well take him at 33.
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with jimmy in the secondary
we can blitz more, lets get an OLB that can blitz
I’ve always liked Houston, he may not be a complete player but he gets after QB’s. Boulware said, which I found intriguing, the other day that the Ravens need a speed OLB. He happens to be calling pick 58 and I believe Houston will be the BPA and the best OLB available. I also would not be shocked if he’s there at 90, just a hunch. Now if we go WR, this seems odd, but I like Greg Little. He’s built for our division and whether he’s a deep threat or not, he’s going to be a good tough WR and that’s what we need. We need to get good solid WR’s IMO, not speed guys who have durability issues. So for me, I’d like to see…
58: Justin Houston
3rd round (assuming they trade up): Greg Little
Heard someone say that the Ravens will receive Chicago’s 4th rounder, but don’t know if there is any truth to it.
I dont think there any speed guys in this draft with durability issues. Greg Little will fit well
in our offense but it would still be a good idea to add some kind of player with speed like Titus Young, Randall Cobb, Jerrel Jerigan,Edmond Gates, Rocarrdo Lockette, Aldrick Robinson, or Cecil Short to give players like Mason,Boldin, Heap more space to do what they do best. Greg Little would be a reach in the second round as well ( thats if you referring we should take him in the second round) because he didnt play football in 2010 also he only played as a wideout for one year when he was converted from a running back to wide receiver.
I don’t think Little would be a reach in the 2nd because of the talent he has. Talent wise he is up there with any WR in the draft and if he doesn’t miss last year he is probably a late 1st to early 2nd round pick. He hasn’t played WR long, but he also is extremely athletic, huge and has natural hands. If we ended up with Little on our 2nd pick I wouldn’t be upset at all.
I think we definitely are going WR or OLB. Wilson, Reed and Houston are all on the board still and if one of them slips I could see us moving up to grab one. I really would like to get Hankerson, Little or Young as well. Ideally it would be great if one of the OLB’s somehow slipped to our pick at 58 and then we move up in the 3rd and hope Little or Young is still there. I definitely see us moving up though in the 2nd or 3rd. Please just let us add one of these WR’s somehow.
Why not use our 4th, both 6th’s, and 7th round picks to move up in the 2nd & 3rd to make sure we get one of the 3 decent OLB’s left and one of the WR’s we’ve has our eyes on? I really doubt anyone we draft in the final two rounds is going to make the roster, so we might as well use those picks to make sure that the people who do make the cut are the ones we truly wanted.
I just don’t know how comfortable I am sitting around hoping that Reed, Ayers, Houston, or even Wilson somehow fall to us. Same with the WR’s, let’s be active and go get the guys we want, not the guys who were leftover.
"Really, all Americans want is cold beer, warm p***y, and someplace to take a s**t with a door on it."
by StuckInUtah on Apr 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Need vs BPA
Two days ago a couple different news outlets had info on the success rate of daft picks and how the success rate goes down from round to round. Yeah, that makes sense-duh. But one thing that was interesting was the big jump in failure between rounds 1 and 2-much more than between later rounds.
In both conversations the reason given for the drop was not that the talent level had fallen but because teams went away from their first round BPA strategies and more towards filling need-which cause them to reach. Now personally I can see that with some of Ozzies 2nd round picks lately.
Just a thought while we are al screaming for a certain position to be filled or a certain player that happened to play in the ACC…
I'd like to see WR in the 2nd,
OL in the 3rd (Gilbert), LB in 4th, more depth, including center, FB, RB, WR in the last three rounds.
Then we find the best pass rusher in Free Agency and target that veteran to come in and propel us over the top.
aka 'Rexx'
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