Where Do The Ravens Go From Here?
Because of pre-season hype and high expectations, last season left many Ravens fans wondering why the team fell short of their lofty goals, and several confusing and exasperating performances late in the season left many wondering how the team can improve from last season and fix their many apparent holes.
Before we look at how the Ravens can improve, let’s take a look back at exactly what happened last season and try to determine what areas would benefit most from off-season improvements. I have thought long and hard about last season and the problems that the Ravens encountered. I believe that their problems all began in the off-season with the injury to Jared Gaither and his subsequent placement on injured reserve. That injury started a snowball rolling and would grow into a critical weakness by the end of the season. The lack of depth at the tackle position made Gaither’s injury nearly impossible to cover. The passing game suffered due to losing its blind side protector and needing to move Michael Oher from right to left tackle, and the running game suffered due to losing its most physical lineman. Obviously, the Ravens still fielded an offensive line, but their inability to protect Flacco and run the ball effectively became more and more obvious as the season went on. On top of all that, Oher had a very disappointing season at left tackle, and his struggles made a bad situation even worse. Opposing defensive coordinators began to attack the offensive line and caused the Ravens offense to suffer a drastic drop-off.
The offensive line wasn't the only problem that the Ravens encountered. They made multiple moves in the off-season to surround Joe Flacco with weapons. They made a trade for Anquan Boldin, signed T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Donte Stallworth, and drafted two tight ends and a wide receiver. There weren’t going to be any excuses, and they were betting the farm on Flacco making a huge leap in his third year. Flacco did not make a huge leap. He certainly did not take a step backward, but he showed only marginal improvement. Flacco didn’t take over games like the Ravens were hoping and needs too for the Ravens to beat the elite teams. In his defense, the offense line made it hard for him to be successful, and his development certainly may have been stunted by the constant pressure. However, there were many times where the line was giving Flacco time but he simply wasn’t reading the field. I don’t mean to heap blame on Flacco. I think Joe did the best he could in a tough situation.
I believe that the Ravens placed entire too much on Flacco entirely too soon. Even if there hadn’t been any offensive line injuries, there was no guarantee that Flacco would make the leap. I think this is a prime example of putting the cart before the horse. The Ravens should have continued to build their offense around the running game and allowed Flacco to emerge on his own and at his own pace. An emerging quarterback behind a strong running game is much more dangerous than an emerging quarterback with weapons that he’s still learning to use. I think this is a problem that the Ravens need to address philosophically. I really believe that the Ravens need to rely primarily on their running game and allow Flacco’s contributions to be a bonus until he can consistently perform and win under pressure. They need to let him emerge at his own pace and stop giving him the Kyle Boller treatment. Flacco’s a good, potentially great quarterback and has all the talent in the world. I really don’t think he’ll disappoint the Ravens in the long run, but right now, they need to take the pressure to win games by himself off his shoulders.
The last problem that I’m going to address in this article is regarding speed at the wide receiver position. The Ravens had the slowest group of wide receivers in the NFL last season. Boldin was a big threat and a great acquisition, but he didn’t threaten to take the top off opposing defenses. In fact, the Ravens didn’t have a receiver on the roster that could stretch defenses. Even Donte Stallworth, who was signed as a deep threat, wasn’t able to consistently push the safeties deep. He was injured for most of the season, but even when healthy, he had little impact. This problem was also made worse by the offensive line. In order to get deep down the field, even the fastest receivers need time, something that the Ravens offensive line was rarely able to give Flacco. Teams began to play more and more defenders in underneath coverage and cheated more and more in the running game. This not only minimized the effectiveness of the Ravens great possession receivers, but also greatly inhibited the running game since there were always defenders near the line of scrimmage. As you can see, all the problems worked against the Ravens in unison and became a ‘perfect storm’ on offense. It became a serious, suffocating problem for the Ravens to overcome, and in all honesty, I’m surprised that the Ravens offense was able to do as well as they did last season under that storm.
I’m sure you’ve already noticed that all of the problems I mentioned were on offense. That’s because I believe the Ravens didn’t have one predominate problem on defense and that the Ravens defense was very good overall last season. In fact, I think they are the main reason that the team didn’t fall apart at the end of the season. Many will criticize the pass rush and the corners, and those arguments have some weight. However, most of the disappointing defensive performances were the result of the offense’s lack of possession time. The performance versus Houston cannot honestly be put entirely on the pass rush or defensive backs. The Houston offense was staying on the field by converting on fourth downs, and the Ravens offense was going three-and-out over and over again. More talented pass-rushers certainly would have helped, and I’m not saying that isn’t an area of need. More pass rushers would surely give the Ravens a bigger margin of error. However, there will always be games where the defense isn’t able to completely shut-down the opposing offense, and there will probably be more as the league shifts towards being more offense friendly. Therefore, it’s going to become more important for defensive oriented teams to have offenses that can compete in time of possession. There were several games last season where the defense carried the team in terms of possession. I’m fairly certain that the defense played two games worth of snaps in Houston. The point is that the Ravens defense is as good as its going to be without the offense giving them more time on the bench.
The Ravens only have so many draft picks and salary cap space so it’s extremely important to maximize every draft pick and off season signing. The following is a list of moves that I believe would most benefit the Ravens this off-season:
1. Re-sign Jared Gaither.
There are several reasons why I believe that resigning Gaither could be one of the best moves the Ravens could make this off-season. They absolutely must address the tackle position this off-season since it’s their biggest need in my opinion. The reality is that if the Ravens don’t resign Gaither, they will need to use a high draft pick on a tackle that can start right away. That’s obviously an option, but I believe the best way to improve the team is to resign Gaither, freeing up a draft pick for another player. Gaither understands the Ravens offense and is more talented than any tackle in the draft. Furthermore, he is a young player with tons of upside, and the Ravens will never sign him to a cheaper contract after Gaither sat out last season. There are negatives to signing Gaither. He was injured last season, and back problems don’t always go away. The concerns about his work ethic may have some weight as well. However, the Ravens need to look at Gaither’s body of work. Every time he’s played, he’s played at a high level and been dominant. You can hardly blame him for not wanting to play through an injury in a contract year at a position that pays significantly less than his preferred position. I’m not saying that his behavior is excusable, but not every player is going to be Ray Lewis’ boy-scout. Before the Ravens write Gaither off, I believe that they should think long and hard about how they’re going to replace him, and if they plan on using a draft pick to replace him, think about the player they won’t be drafting as a result.
2. Sign or draft a receiver to grow with Joe Flacco.
I made a lot of fuss about letting Flacco develop at his own pace, and one of the best ways to expedite that process would be to give him a dominate number-one wide receiver. Look at what Roddy White has done for Matt Ryan in Atlanta. Flacco needs a receiver that can consistently beat the coverage and gain separation. As much as I love Boldin and Mason, the reality is that they are complimentary receivers at this point in their careers. There are several players in the draft that I believe could help Flacco. The player that I really like is Jonathan Baldwin from Pittsburgh. Regardless of who they draft, the Ravens could really benefit from using a high draft pick on a receiver.
Another option would be to sign or trade for a receiver. There usually aren’t many dominant receivers on the market as teams are understandably hesitant to get rid of them. One player that I love and believe could be excellent for the Ravens is James Jones from Green Bay. Jones is a restricted free agent and surprisingly, was only offered a low tender by the Packers. This indicates that the Packers may be trying to move and means that the Ravens would only need to give the Packers a low round pick in order to sign him. I really like Jones and believe he has the makings of a starting, number-one receiver. I’m not saying that Jones is the absolute answer for the Ravens, but he is definitely worth looking into. It’s also worth noting that Aaron Rogers has stated that he believes Jones is the most naturally talented receiver on the Packers.
3. Address the problems in pass-coverage.
I know that’s a very vague statement, but I believe that the Ravens have options when addressing their defense. They could certainly use more pass rushers, and this is a good draft to get one. This may be one of the fastest drafts for linebackers and defensive ends I’ve seen. A guy like Sam Acho from Texas may fall to the Ravens in the middle-late rounds and give the Ravens a quality pass rusher at an excellent value. There’s little doubt that the Ravens will try to add a good pass-rusher to their roster, but I believe that they have a lot of flexibility. They could draft a player early or sign a free agent. Also, don’t count out Sergio Kindle. I know that I’m in the minority of those who believe in him, but I honestly believe that Kindle has a decent heart. I just think he’s as dumb as a brick. The Ravens need to get Kindle on the field and keep him under lock and key, and I think he’ll be alright once he’s gotten to work. There’s a reason the Ravens drafted him in the second round. He’s a force on the field. Go back and watch his college tape. He’s really very talented.
The Ravens could also use a quality corner. Several of their current starters are unrestricted free agents and it’s very unlikely that they will retain them all. It helps to get Dominique Foxworth back from injured reserve, but the Ravens will still need to sign several corners. The best option is to retain a few starters from last season. Chris Carr played very well last season and emerged as the team’s best corner, and Josh Wilson was better than anyone could have hoped. Those two players should be retained in my opinion. Fabian Washington doesn’t want to return, and given his disappointing play, I would agree with the decision to let him walk. That would leave a line-up of Lardarius Webb, Foxworth, Carr, Wilson and Cary Williams, who showed promise last season. That’s a good line-up, and if the Ravens do nothing, they should be able to start all season with little problems. However, I believe that this is a good time to inject some new, young talent, and this group could do great things if the Ravens added a young physical corner. I really like Ras-I Dowling from Virginia and Brandon Harris from Miami in this draft class. A player like that could boost the Ravens secondary to the next level.
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Great article
And I agree with most of your points.
I also agree that our offense went down hill the moment Gaither couldnt get on the field. Re-signing him to a reasonable contract (or at least agree to one in priniciple should the CBA not be done by draft time) is probably the 2nd most important move we can make after locking up Ngata long-term (yes, more important than signing Yanda. Guards are simply not as valuable as Tackles).
I also agree that we need to sign or draft a WR to grow with Flacco, but I disagree that James Jones could be a #1 WR. He doesnt have the hands to be a reliable go-to guy, but he would be a good compliment to Boldin.
IMO the pass rush is the 2nd biggest problem this team has (after OL). We were ranked 27th in the league for sacks. Suggs had 11.5 and Ngata 6. Both numbers are about the maximum you could expect from them. Where was anyone else? If address the OL by re-signing Gaither, we need to draft a pass rusher in the first 3 rounds.
With reagrds to the secondary, if we can re-sign both Carr and Wilson, I’d be happy to stand pat at CB. I am not a fan of Dowling as a corner in our scheme. He is more of a zone corner and with Pagano promising a more agressive defense, I expect us to be playing man cover and pressing more. Also, the guy is made of glass. He couldn’t even finish his 40 yard dash without getting injured.
As for Harris, I love how fluid he is and that he has great instincts, but his biggest flaw matches almost perfectly with our biggest flaw at corner – size. He is kinda small (5’9 and a half) and struggles with bigger WRs, the same ones we already struggle with. Im not sure he will add all that much to the secondary. If we were to draft a corner, guys like Jimmy Smith and Curtis Brown would be better.
Sorry for the long response, but I felt I needed to to cover all your points
Yanda is another player I think the Ravens definitely need to retain. I’m fairly certain that they’re going to resign him. Everything that I’ve read seems to indicate that. I actually thought about putting something about Yanda in this article, but it was getting too long as it was.
I really like Brandon Harris right now. He’s one of my favorite players in the draft. The more I watch the more I love. The hieght is a concern as quarterbacks do try throwing over him, but he really does a nice job of staying in the hips of the receiver and preventing catches. It also helps that he’s a freak athlete with insane game-speed.
Dowling is simply a player that I believe “plays like a Raven.” Obviously, Ozzie will need to check him out medically before/if they draft him.
I never meant that sentence to mean that we shouldnt retain Yanda, just that I think Gaither is more important. Im certain Ozzie wont let Yanda leave. We’ll give him a contract that pays him about as much as a near elite Guard would be worth.
In my mind the most important FAs to re-sign this off-season are Ngata, Gaither, Yanda, Wilson, Carr, Zbi, Ellerbe (in that order)
disagree on Gaither
yes, there is a price i’d take him at, but I’d need a massive discount. the guy just plain misses games all the time and puts himself first. albert haynesworth was dominant on the field too, but giving him a big contract was a huge mistake. don’t make the same mistake.
I think the Gaither bashing needs to stop where have you seen Gaither put himself first
before the team? Ravens Fans question the guy toughness but leron McCalin himself said he Gaither played with one arm cuase the other one was injuried, and if Gaither work ethics are so bad then I wonder why our running game went down hill or Joe Flacco getting sack so many times.
Agreed. It annoys me how the fans/media jump on negative bandwagons. They did the same thing with McGahee back in 2008, and McGahee responded with 14 touchdowns in 2009. Gaither has been a great player for the Ravens and by-far the best tackle they’ve had since Ogden. That was even more clear after Oher’s flop last season. I still don’t understand why they switched the tackles before Gaither’s injury. That was an arrogant and ignorant move in my opinion.
they didn't switch tackles
they asked gaither and oher to switch in OTAs so that both of them could fill in at either tackle spot if needed. that’s just good contingency planning. but gaither threw a hissy fit.
let’s break it down. the guy didn’t participate in any offseason workouts and showed up to camp underweight and out of shape. who knows where his injury came from but if he had been following the training regimen properly its a lot less likely it would have happened.
where does it say that Gaither threw a hissy fit and how you know if he would
had follow the training regimen properly its alot less likely the injury would had happened. Gaither said he loss the weight because he wanted to get quicker but the coaches didnt like that decision so they told him to add back some of that weight.
Overall what you have said about Gaither cant be back up because there no article saying all this but if you know Gaither personally then I guess that could be proof.The off season workouts you mention were voluntary, meaning you don’t have to come if you don’t want to .
there is no such thing as voluntary
if your going to skip them you better be a veteran and you better show up in top physical shape, like ray lewis last year or suggs this year. when you shirk it and show up out of shape, like suggs 2009 or mcgahee 2008 expect people to jump on you and doubt you.
All for signing Gaither back. I have been saying for the past few months that our best option to improve our O-Line is already with this team, and that is Gaither. In my opinion, he is our best OL and I think it showed last year.
As much as I love Boldin and Mason, the reality is that they are complimentary receivers at this point in their careers.
I am going to disagree with you on this one, respectively. I don’t think there is any question that Boldin is Joe’s go to guy and the #1 WR. He was brought here to be that type of WR , which everyone here thought as well, and just because he didn’t put up the stats that might relate to a #1 WR, I actually attribute that to having too many players who are great pass catchers. Not saying that is a bad thing at all, but Mason and Rice both took alot of stats away from Boldin because those two can be equally as productive. Baltimore was the ONLY team in the NFL with 3 players who had 60 or more receptions, add on top of that Heap and a semi-productive TJ and it is reasonable to see why Boldin didn’t have the biggest numbers.
Also can’t fail to recognize that we ran it more this year than we did last year, especially with a QB who was still progressing. Flacco plays a role in this view as well, as he screwed it up sometimes not getting it to Q. O-Line didn’t block well enough. This isn’t the Arizona all out air attack offense that he is used to. I don’t buy into the “he was doubled all the time” all that much, though it could have played a role. I think having too many go to guys gave some people the wrong impression that Boldin can’t get it done, along with so many other factors, but I PROMISE that Boldin will show why we brought him here to be our #1. Definitely not ready to give up on him as our main guy.
I think a solution would definitely be to part ways with TJ and Donte, let Mason play his last year out, draft a WR much like Baldwin (which I would not have any problem with) and let him battle it out with Reed for the #3 spot. I still think Boldin is the #1 guy and will be for a while. It definitely takes some time to get that chemistry needed to put up huge numbers, especially with Joe still taking his steps towards greatness.
Well that is my take on the WR position.
The Ravens could also use a quality corner. Several of their current starters are unrestricted free agents and it’s very unlikely that they will retain them all.
Do you mean another quality corner or are you saying we don’t really have any. I think too many people are getting caught up in trying to find the next C-Mac or that big time shut down CB. So many people do not realize how hard it is to find these guys, you can probably count the amount of shut down type guys on 10 fingers.
I don’t mean to try to put words in your mouth if that’s what it seems like, I am sure you aren’t saying we need to find the next Revis. But I do think both Carr and Wilson return next year, which gives us a pretty solid group of CB’s from the 1-4 spot. Compared to 2008 when we had Even Ogelsby, Corey Ivy and Frank Walker all seeing significant playing time, I think that we have found some damn good quality at CB since then. I like to refer to our group as a bunch of very good #2 CB’s. And I can live with that for the time being until we can get our hands on a big time guy. Until then, I don’t see anyone in this draft besides PP and Amukumura being able to take time from Fox, Webb, Wilson or Carr.
Yes, the coverage can definitely be better, and I am all for drafting a CB with a high pick if that is what Ozzie wants. Getting a guy like Jimmy Smith, Brandon Harris, Aaron Williams or someone else, it would only improve.
Even though we finished 21st in pass defense this year, I don’t think that ranking signifies how poor people think we were. We have to take into account that we had the 2nd lowest sack total in franchise history this year, so QB’s having all day back there didn’t help either. When big passing plays were made on us, I definitely think we all saw more complaints about a piss poor pass rush and blitzing 3 guys than we did the coverage, wouldn’t you agree?
Anyway, that is my opinion on the situation. Flacco is a god, so lets not be worried about him. Great, great post bud.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Do you mean another quality corner or are you saying we don’t really have any. I think too many people are getting caught up in trying to find the next C-Mac or that big time shut down CB. So many people do not realize how hard it is to find these guys, you can probably count the amount of shut down type guys on 10 fingers.
I don’t mean to try to put words in your mouth if that’s what it seems like, I am sure you aren’t saying we need to find the next Revis.
I really like the corners that the Ravens currently have, especially with Foxworth returning, and would be happy with them if the Ravens do not add anyone. I believe I said something to that extent. I probably should have been a bit clearer about my specification of a “quality” corner. The point that I was trying to make is that the Ravens could use a quality, physical corner. None of the guys that the Ravens currently have can really challenge a receiver at the line. I believe that getting a quality, physical corner would take the good Ravens group we have and make them great. Like I also said above, I think this is a good time to get a guy like that. Let him grow with Webb, Foxworth and Carr.
Wouldn’t mind that at all. If we used our first pick on Jimmy Smith, it wouldn’t be a bad thing. Don’t forget about Wilson either, he may be the best CB on our team right now.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Successful Physical Corners are a dying breed.
Shut-down corners are like unicorns in the NFL today. We might swear he’s the real deal, but then it turns out he’s just a horse with a horn stuck on its head.
Asomugha and a healthy Revis are the best corners in the league. Revis needs to string together another season or two of dominance before I can dub him as the first shutdown corner since Champ Bailey. Until then, he’s just part of the New York hype machine. Asomugha is shutdown by default, meaning offenses just look somewhere else when trying to execute against that Raider defense. I would love to see what he’d do on a team that could stop the run, just hope that team isn’t in the AFC (he ain’t coming to Baltimore… but I wouldn’t mind being wrong).
So many Raven fans are demanding a C-Mac 2.0. How much would a 20-something C-Mac clone get away with in the pass happy NFL today? The rules must say something like, “Thou shall not shutdown the opposing teams receiver with pure physicality.” That, along with the current trend of smaller/faster/quicker receivers, makes those physical corners look like bone heads when they have to turn and grab some jersey when they done get their ankles brokeded.
Resigning Wilson and Carr would put us in position to be okay against most teams. I’d like to see Cary Williams get his shot against some of the bigger receivers that give us fits. With A.J. Green or Julio Jones likely joining our division in the draft this year, we should work hard on developing Williams. There really isn’t a corner financially available that would make every Raven fan happy, and we don’t seem to have the draft position to fill that hole either.
Very, very well said. I have been saying the same things about how tough it is to find a shutdown CB. Look at where guys like Patrick Robinson, Kareem Jackson are in this league, they were the #3-4 CB on their teams, and they were first round picks. The top tier guys never go past the top 10, and the two in this draft Peterson and Prince are those guys this year.
So unless we all want to go 5-11 and get a top 10 pick so we can get that shutdown guy that everyone seems to think is so easy, we are going to have to live with our current group of CB and try to improve the pass rush.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
i'd take it a step further
frank walker was a big physical corner that would have been great 10 years ago with different rules. but the game has changed, and you just can’t get that physical with WR now.
The words “great” and “Frank Walker” should never be used in the same sentence…….ever
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Frank Walker is great at holding jerseys. Frank Walker is great at getting yellow hankies thrown on the field. See, I did it twice :)
by Mstevens_Design on Mar 9, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
You’re a rebel.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
You make a good point. The days of roughing up receivers down the field are over. Corners get flagged if their coverage is too tight these days, and the rules are only going to get stricter in the future. That’s why I think many teams are drafting and signing pure coverage guys like the Ravens have been doing lately.
However, I think that teams will always have a need for a physical corner. The reason is because the rules still allow corners to press and reroute receivers off the line… within five yards. Having at least one corner who’s capable of pressing big receivers at the line is huge. That’s one of the biggest problems that the Ravens have had when matching up against big or quick receivers. Andre Johnson and Roddy White decimated the Ravens. There isn’t a corner out there that can consistently cover guys like that, but the first step is rerouting them at the line. You cannot give them a free release. They need to be pressed at the line and covered over the top with a safety. The Ravens tried pressing White with Webb, their best press guy, and it was laughable. That’s why I believe a quality, physical corner could help the Ravens deal with elite receivers and take the secondary to the next level.
On our team right now, I’d like to see Cary Williams get his shot at being the guy to match up with the big physical receivers. If he develops into that quality, physical corner; our secondary is complete depending on your opinion of our strong safety.
That said, how many Andre Johnson’s and Roddy Whites are actually in the league? As of right now, we certainly don’t have any in our division. Last year we played 3 or 4 games against those type of receivers and each one of them we won or were very close to winning. A physical corner wouldn’t have made a big enough difference for those games in my opinion. Physical corner vs. physical wide-out: wide-out wins when they can legally push their man out of the way past the 5 yards without a flag.
The new trend with wide receivers are the W. Welker, D. Jackson, and M. Wallace types. You will see a lot more of those kinds of receivers team to team. A big physical corner has a lot of trouble with these types of receivers. My point is, I’d rather go out and get a guy that would be effective every game in the season rather than a guy that gives a more favorable match-up in just 4-6 games a year (including playoffs).
by Mayne_Event on Mar 12, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think a solution would definitely be to part ways with TJ and Donte, let Mason play his last year out, draft a WR much like Baldwin (which I would not have any problem with) and let him battle it out with Reed for the #3 spot. I still think Boldin is the #1 guy and will be for a while. It definitely takes some time to get that chemistry needed to put up huge numbers, especially with Joe still taking his steps towards greatness.
I think we’re pretty much on the same page and our opinions are at least pointed in the same direction. Boldin will probably be the best receiver on the Ravens for the next few years, and I agree that he needs to be Joe’s go-to guy until another receiver can take over that role. However, it’s clear to me after last season that Boldin doesn’t consistently dominate by himself. It really pains me to say that because you know how much I love Boldin as a player.
The fact is that Boldin is a borderline number-one guy and can be shut-down by some corners in one-on-one situations. He’s obviously an awesome weapon and the Ravens are lucky to have him for the foreseeable future, but I really do believe that the Ravens are missing a player. A young, developing wide reciever could do wonders for the offense. A guy that can get down the field would be ideal, but even that isn’t necessary. The Ravens just need a guy that is impossible to cover one-on-one. A guy like that would immediately open things up for the offense and would allow Boldin to function in the role he was signed for.
Boldin isn’t going away and will continue to be one of the Ravens’ best weapons, but he needs a receiver on the other side of the field for defenses to worry about in order for him to reach his potential in this offense. I believe it could be a win-win situation because Boldin would really take the pressure off a young reciever and a young reciever would help Boldin perform like a number one guy.
but I really do believe that the Ravens are missing a player. A young, developing wide reciever could do wonders for the offense. A guy that can get down the field would be ideal, but even that isn’t necessary. The Ravens just need a guy that is impossible to cover one-on-one. A guy like that would immediately open things up for the offense and would allow Boldin to function in the role he was signed for.
Well, while you have been saying OL is our biggest need, have been saying WR, and it is for this exact reason you stated above. Lets get it done…
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
I have been saying WR***
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
I agree with a lot the points you made Bal_Hawk. I think the re-signing of Gaither or an equal replacement is necessary to get to where we want to be on offense. I felt teams did not fear our running game as much because at times it was predictable and lacked the physical toughness we were used to seeing. I have also been saying since the season ended that we need a WR who can stretch the field. You make it to easy on a defense when they know your not coming over the top of them. I feel that along with the line issues and lack of a running game are a big part of why people are feeling Joe hasn’t moved up to where he needs to be. I honestly feel he is our guy and he is progressing just fine given what we have provided for him. I have seen improvements every year and the key thing is that he has always been great at is not turning the ball over when he typically does not have a whole lot of space to throw it into. If we can address these issues before the season, I really feel like next year will be Joe’s coming out party.
I agree and disagree with you on some certain things you mention Bal_Hawk
you said that “Even Donte Stallworth, who was signed as a deep threat, wasn’t able to consistently push the safeties deep” I dont beleive that true because he wasnt even used consistently enough to see the field to even push the safeties deep. I truely believe
Cam Cameron got caught up in the hype that having Mason, Boldin, and Housmanzadeh on the field would mean they would be unstoppable with out the speed added.
The Ravens had not only Stallworth as the speedster but also David Reed but they were not able to see the field much because of the belief I have that Cam Cameron got too caught up in the starters. The Ravens offense has to start using everybody because the starters cant get it done alone all the time; We have seen countless of times where Ray Rice would get shut down and Cam Cameron would keep using him instead of bringing in a Willis Mcgahee or Leron McClain to help change things up
I dont beleive that true because he wasnt even used consistently enough to see the field to even push the safeties deep. I truely believe Cam Cameron got caught up in the hype that having Mason, Boldin, and Housmanzadeh on the field would mean they would be unstoppable with out the speed added.
For whatever reason, Stallworth wasn’t consistent enough for the Ravens to count on as a deep threat. Whether he’s capable of being that deep threat is another argument. Maybe he was injured all year. I could buy that, but that wasn’t really my point with regard to receiver speed. The point is that the lack of receiver speed was another factor that put more pressure on Joe and an already shaky offensive line.
Defenses began to cheat when playing the Ravens, and that immediately negated many of the good things that they did have going… like great possession receivers and a great pass catching running-back. By the end of the season, Cameron was so hamstrung that it’s amazing that he did as well as he did. I don’t put nearly as much blame on Cameron as most people do, and I agree with the decision to retain him.
I love everything that John Harbaugh has done for our organization.
Prior to him, we were looked at as an undisciplined/ segregated team, that really got no respect unless they were talking about Ray or Ed. He changed that for us, we get our recognition, and more importantly were consistent contenders. But what drives me crazy is the way we refuse to let the young guys get a shot. I realize we have a lot of great veterans out there, but the coaching staff makes it seem like the young guys have to out=perform these veterans tho get a few plays in. Why in the freak was David Reeds only stat a carry for about 16 yards? (excluding ST). I remember Joe throwing to him one time against the Saints, it was an incompletion. How about Marcus Smith (excluding the injury), he’s been here 3 seasons (2 with the injury) and we don’t have a clue what he can or cant do on the field. Is it because he cant out-perform Derrick Mason or Anquan in practice, well big surprise! I remember him catching one ball his whole career; against the Titans in the 08 playoffs…a flag reset the play so that don’t even count. Cary Williams made some great plays on Special Teams last season, he’s got real athleticism, speed and great size, everything we “need” at corner (I really like our corners) but Haruki gets more snaps than him playing out of position.
Now that Ive typed all that, I realize and hope that Reed and Williams will most likely be big contributors next season. Just had to get it out.
Scott Hines
people are gonna jump on em for this
but at 36 years of age ray lewis shouldn’t be playing every single snap like last year. let some of these young guys in on third and long
Call me crazy...
…but the guy that could grow with Flacco may already be on the roster, and his name is David Reed. He couldn’t get on the field last season because of all the veterans in front of him. Reed graduated from Utah as the school’s all-time leading receiver (beating a guy named Steve Smith who plays in Carolina). I know the organization is very high on Reed, and I think we are going to see a lot of him next year. I agree we need a speedy wideout, and I bet we will draft a guy like that this year. But David Reed could be the man to grow with Joe. He ain’t no Marcus Smith.
Yea, Reed is definitely one of our primary options that we want to use to improve the passing game. The guy has alot of talent, especially once the ball is in his hands which we all saw last year against Houston. While I am very excited to see Reed get his chance, I also think it will only help him and the rest of the offense to bring in some new faces to compete.
Can’t forget James Hardy either, who was a highly touted player coming into the draft a few years ago.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Good call on Hardy. I know he’s been injury prone, but word is the Ravens were very high on him when he came out of Indiana. He’s huge (6’6"), and could create a lot of mismatches.
I am hoping he can really challenge for a spot because it’s not like he was given a real chance yet. He is only coming into his 3rd season and still has potential to be a great player.
Yea, Buffalo was definitely not ready for his talents, plus he had some injuries. But Ozzie signed him very early, which should tell us what he thinks about Hardy and what he can contribute as a WR to our offense.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
What do we do draft a big reciever in case hardy is not the guy. Flacco is suppose to be doing some passing practices with the wideouts. Maybe flacco will tell harbaugh.
by Raven_all_day on Mar 8, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am sure Joe has an input in who he likes at WR.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
If its up to him he probably would keep Mason until bengay doesn’t work anymore.
by Raven_all_day on Mar 8, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree and either way if Mason is back or not I am fine, but I would like to see how Joe does without Mason. It would be nice to just take him out of his comfort zone a little bit and see how he reacts with having to find someone else to go to. I still love Mason, but feel it’s time to give the young guys a chance.
did anybody see that Tiki Barber is out of retirement you think the Ravens will
be interested in him
We will not have any interest in him. He hasn’t played in 4 years, I’ll take Parmale or a rookie over him everyday.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
I’d rather not have a backstabbing trash talker. When he left the Giants all he did was trash-talk Coughlin and his teammates, about how they will never win anything. Then, they won the Super bowl the next year. Fuck Tiki. Oh, he can’t do TV either. Cabbage!
Is that Cabbage supposed to be the boston accent for Garbage? I approve.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
How would people feel about signing Cadillac Williams with Willis leaving? He is not going to be brought back by Tampa Bay and I wouldn’t mind giving him a shot here to back up Rice if he can prove he is healthy, which it looked like he was last year judging how he played in all 16 games.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
No thanks to Cadillac. Re-sign Le’ron on the cheap, and draft a guy in the later rounds. Plus, we have Curtis Steele on the roster, as well as Parmele. I think we are set at running back more than other key positions.
Le'Ron won't be cheap.
Think about Ovie’s contract with Atlanta a few years ago, and McClain actually carried the ball before his payday.
Re-sign Le’ron on the cheap
That’s not going to happen though. If it was that easy, we would have Le’Ron back under contract already. They are letting him test the market because Ozzie knows that Le’Ron is going to garner a rather large contract. I am all for sending the money his way to keep him here.
But I hear what you are saying about not signing Cadillac. I would like to see us grab a RB somewhere in the draft as well because it will be fresh legs as compared to Cadillac who is 28 and had some major injuries. However, we aren’t going to be able to fill all our holes in the draft, it just does not work out that way. We are going to definitely bring in a free agent or two similar to the Redding signing where it just is not feasible to hit on every need. So I thought that if Ozzie doesn’t take the draft route, Cadillac may be a decent signing.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Cadillac is injury prone, and not even that good. RBs can be found everywhere. Why get one that has a serious injury questions and doesn’t produce. A career 3.8 ypc is weak. His highest touchdown total in a season is 6 (his rookie year).
I have thought about this issue about the need for the Ravens offense to get younger/faster
but we had the speed last year with Reed and Stallworth but they just was never used effectively. I have said it many times that the main reason why the Ravens Offense wasn’t successful like it should was becuase there wasnt any chemistry. The Ravens in 2009 when they had wideouts such as Mason, Clayton, Washington,Williams, and Tyree had more chemistry then the Ravens wideouts in 2010.
The Ravens made a big mistake when the traded Clayton and signed Houshmanzadeh. I know housh is a better wideout then Clayton but he still was not better for this offense becuase Clayton had the chemistry with everybody on the team more then Housh ever had. The Raven secondary was suppose to be bad but it wasnt and the key thing why it wasnt becuase they players had chemistry with each other; The Ravens signing/drafting a speedy wideout is good but dont think that this going to make things better becuase players are not machines where production/chemistry works instantly .
The Ravens made a big mistake when the traded Clayton and signed Houshmanzadeh. I know housh is a better wideout then Clayton but he still was not better for this offense becuase Clayton had the chemistry with everybody on the team more then Housh ever had.
Good point. I would have much rather had Mark than Housh this season.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
The Ravens signing/drafting a speedy wideout is good but dont think that this going to make things better becuase players are not machines where production/chemistry works instantly .
Probably right, but another year with Boldin is going to really, really help. I cannot believe that I have seen people already write him off as not being a #1 WR for us. Once him and Joe get comfortable after another offseason of training, things will get better. I’ll guarantee Boldin gets 70+ catches and 1,100+ yards next season.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
I beleive that Boldin will do much better this season coming up as well
matter of fact I think everybody will do better even the coaches.
So many variables
will determine the draft this year for the Ravens; it all depends on who we retain and who is healthy. It would be great if Gaither and Kindle were both completely healthy and on board for the Ravens before the draft, because that should improve two areas of weakness greatly (assuming that if healthy Kindle can play up to his potential). Re-signing Yanda and the cornerbacks would be great as well, because then we could just work the draft without having any glaring needs.
The way I see it, the current things the Ravens need to address in free agency – OL, CB, WR, and pass rush – are still going to be the primary targets in the draft even if we do re-sign everyone. With more and more teams focusing on the passing game, these are the positions that are the most important, and good teams will have quality depth at each of the positions.
The Ravens have been recently linked with OT Derek Sherrod, and I think he will be a good player, but I think re-signing Gaither would be better for the team because then we could address other needs in the draft, or better yet, just go into the draft knowing we can go BPA at every selection. I actually like Illinois linebacker Martez Wilson a lot, and wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Ravens uniform learning from Ray Lewis, and taking over when Lewis eventually retires.
I really like Jimmy Smith to the Ravens as well. He is very physically talented, with great size, speed, and coverage ability, and the only knock on him is some character concerns. I have heard these concerns are overblown, and a team drafting him past the mid first round is getting a steal because ability-wise, he is right up there with Peterson and Amukamara. He would certainly add a more physical element to our group of corners.

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