Offensive Line Model and Notes vs. Browns 12/4/11
Much is made of the mini-bye week teams enjoy after a Thursday night game. The Ravens had extra time to prepare, delivered an offensive performance which was varied, and directly attacked the Brown biggest weakness.
What’s so creative about running the ball a franchise-record 55 times?
I can’t imagine a team running the ball more different ways than the Ravens did Sunday. Let’s review:
• The Ravens successfully used both zone and straight ahead blocking
• They used a 6-man formation (6 plays)
• They ran the 6-man formation unbalanced (3 of those 6)
• Yanda (5 times) and Oher (3) were each used to pull
• They got good downfield blocking from their receivers
• They ran 2 naked pitches to the right while zone blocking left
• They ran a “student body right” sweep where Oher and Yanda both pulled and Dickson attempted to seal the edge
• They ran a reverse to Torrey Smith
• They ran Vonta Leach (3 career carries prior to 2011) 4 times
• They ran a wildcat play with Tyrod Taylor taking a direct snap
This was a well-developed and detailed game plan that was a pleasure to watch. The Browns have difficulty stopping the run normally, but the added scheme kept them honest while the added time on the field kept them tired.
The Ravens had 76 offensive snaps excluding the 3 kneels.
McKinnie: McKinney continues to have difficulty contributing to the running game if the play isn’t headed left. I scored him for ½ a penetration when he gave up on Mitchell (Q1, 2:33) on the reverse by Torrey Smith. He had a false start (Q2, 6:37) which helped stall the Ravens 3rd drive. On the plus side, he didn’t have any negative plays as a pass blocker. Bryant had 2 blocks in level 2. Scoring: 67 blocks, 8 missed, 1/2 penetration, 1 false start, 63 points (.83 per play).
Grubbs: The story for Grubbs and Yanda in this game was mobility. Ben and Marshal Yanda each had 13 blocks in level 2 which is the most I can ever recall scoring. Ben added 2 pancakes. He shared the aforementioned penetration with McKinney when he couldn’t handle Phil Taylor. He also allowed a tough QH to Jackson who stunted through the left B gap to knock down Flacco (Q3, 8:49). On that play, he handed off responsibility for Brown and was too late to get back. Scoring: 71 blocks, 2 missed, ½ penetration, ½ pressure, 1 QH, 66 points (.87 per play). If you think he didn’t deserve the QH, it would be .92. Ben has now scored between .85 and .95 for each of the 5 games since returning.
Birk: Matt shared a pressure with Grubbs on the Ravens’ first drive (Q1, 8:10) when Paxson recorded a PD at the LoS. Birk’s worst block of the day came on the Ravens failed 4th-down attempt (Q1, 7:19). He moved into level 2 before making an attempt to block either Taylor (left) or Rubin (right). Each was engaged by a guard, but moving either would have kept the play from getting stacked up. Birk was twice spelled by Gurode and missed a total of 12 competitive snaps. He had 3 blocks in level 2. Scoring: 57 blocks, 6 missed, ½ pressure, 56 points (.88 per play).
Yanda: Marshal did a little bit of everything. He pulled successfully on all 5 attempts. Among his 13 level-2 blocks were a number where he pushed a linebacker several yards back. He had 1 pancake. Most importantly, Yanda was perfect in pass protection with no negative events or misses. He’s the NFL’s best guard and it would be a travesty if he is anywhere but Hawaii or packing for Indianapolis on January 29th. Scoring: 73 blocks, 3 missed, 73 points (.96 per play).
Oher: Michael drew the Browns best lineman, Jabaal Sheard, who beat him inside to take down Ricky Williams for a loss of 4 (Q1, 8:48). He was beaten inside by Sheard for a pressure on Flacco’s 26-yard fluttering completion to Pitta (Q2, 7:15). He was beaten cleanly to the outside by Sheard (Q3, 8:10) on the lone sack. Flacco stepped up, but Oher had minimal outside push, so Sheard’s route back to Flacco was quicker. Oher had 9 blocks in level 2 and succeeded on 1 of 3 pull attempts. Scoring: 69 blocks, 2 missed, 1 penetration, 1 pressure, 1 sack, 59 points (.78 per play). Given the level of competition, I’d call it a B- effort.
Gurode: Scoring 11 blocks, 1 missed, 11 points (.92 per play). Gurode looks much more comfortable at center than guard.
Reid: Reid had 6 snaps in jumbo formations and made all of his blocks.
Other Offensive Notes:
• On Sunday, Flacco had ATS on 13 of his 24 pass attempts (54%). With ATS, he completed 6 of 13 passes for 96 yards with 0 TDs and 0 INT (7.4 YPP). That’s certainly not a good result with ATS, but he played a very conservative style which I would attribute to the weather and an apparent desire on the Ravens’ part to avoid as much turnover risk as possible. Flacco’s most dangerous throw (Q1, 8:10) was a jump pass that was deflected off the helmet of Paxson and dropped by Sheldon Brown for what should have been a pick. The ball may have slipped from his hand.
• Without ATS, Joe completed 4 of 10 for 62 yards (60 net), 0 TD/ 0 INT with 1 sack for -2 that he fumbled (5.5 YPP).
• Lee Evans is having a lousy season when he is on the field. He played another 22 snaps and was targeted 3 times with 0 catches. Of those, 1 was a drop (Q3, 13:06) that would have converted 3rd and 8. Another could have been caught for a TD at the goal line (Q2, 0:19), but Haden got his hand through for a PD. That was a case where either a bigger body or a little better block out would have enabled the catch. The 3rd was a deep ball thrown just out of bounds by Flacco. That doesn’t seem like Evans’ fault, but because Evans isn’t getting good separation, he’s not able to create more space by the sideline to make a bigger target area for Joe. For the season he’s caught just 3 of the 14 balls thrown his way and he has not shown good speed since returning from the injury.
• In addition to his 700th career catch, Boldin had another drop to extend his streak to 5 games. He contributed 2 good down field run blocks.
• Vonta Leach had a career game. He had 5 touches (4 runs and 1 pass reception), all of which went for first downs. All 3 of his runs prior to 2011 were for exactly 1 yard. Ray Rice helped sell one of the runs (Q2, 7:53) by moving outside to accept a pitch as the ball went to Leach in the middle. He wasn’t perfect as a run blocker, but he had several fine blocks on Maiava in particular (Q1, 10:05 and Q3, 5:00)
• The wildcat play (Q2, 13:47) was an outstanding effort by Tyrod Taylor on his first NFL snap. He lined up in the shotgun with an empty backfield. Dickson missed Sheard as he attempted to seal the right side and allowed initial penetration. Taylor outraced Sheard to the edge. Oher also pulled right and missed Gocong. Tyrod juked past Gocong to turn a big loss into a gain of 2. Rice would score on the next play. Taylor has earned some additional playing time.
• The student body right (Q2, 5:33) was set up for a big gain. Oher pancaked Hagg, Yanda flattened Sheard, and Dickson pancaked Haden. Despite the 3 pancakes, Rice tripped over Dickson to hold the gain to 5 yards.
• Dickson had a 25-yard catch (Q2, 2:20), his longest of the season. He had several issues as a run blocker previously mentioned.
Rice’s day deserves a breakdown of the highlights. He had 5 runs of 10+ yards:
• (Q1, 11:19): McKinney blocked Mitchell, Leach blocked Maiava, Grubbs blocked Jackson, and Yanda blocked Gocong to create a clear lane for Rice’s 30-yard run on the Ravens’ first play from scrimmage.
• (Q1, 3:55): The Ravens all blocked left and Flacco pitched right to Rice who ran alone for 14 yards. Evans failed to get a hand on Haden who slowed up Rice.
• (Q1, 3:12): Zone block left, Oher blocked Sheard right. Rice cut back through the right B gap for 10 yards.
• (Q3, 15:00): Rice ran middle for 11 yards as Yanda and Birk drove Rubin back 6 yards.
• (Q3, 5:48): Rice cut back through the right B gap as the Ravens blocked left. Torrey Smith maintained a block 12 yards down the field on the left side. When Adams dove and missed near midfield, Rice was chased only by Mitchell, Jackson, and Maiava, who are all slower men . He got a 20 yard push from Boldin on Haden (from the 30 to the 10) before Jackson finally pushed him out of bounds.
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It’s so nice having arguably the best G duo in the league. The line is finally gelling and getting it together. Also I can live with Mckinnie’s run blocking problems at times because he still seems like such an upgrade over Oher on the left side when it comes to pass blocking and helped solidify the rest of the line.
Also again Boldin has to stop with these drops. I really wonder what’s going on with him? One of the first thing mentioned about Boldin when he comes up is his hands.
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It’s so nice having arguably the best G duo in the league
McPhee was asked the other day who the toughest O-Lineman was that he has had to go up against this year, and he said Grubbs and Yanda have definitely been.
Just my opinion, but I think we are screwed if we lose Grubbs.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Just my opinion, but I think we are screwed if we lose Grubbs.
It depends on who replaces Grubbs. Our line looked bad when Gurode filled in earlier in the season, but that’s because Gurode sucked hard. Losing Grubbs in free agency doesn’t guarantee that same kind of drop off next year.
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Our line looked bad when Gurode filled in earlier in the season, but that’s because Gurode sucked hard
Gurode wasnt great when he was filling in for Grubbs but Gurode doesnt have any experience as a left guard and he only player right guard and center his whole career. If anything Gurode was like a rookie learning a new position and im sure it was tough
That doesn’t change the fact that he was horrible.
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You are incorrect. Gurode wasn’t horrible … He was just bad at a position that’s difficult to master in a short period of time.
Even you should be able to see a modicum of Nuance in this context
by Evan Skev on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was pretty clear he meant that gurode was horrible at guard
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At a position… Reread it, soldier
by Evan Skev on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guard is a position. Re-read it, civilian
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even you should be able to see a modicum of Nuance in this context
I guess my mistake was believing the “modicum of Nuance [sic]” was so incredibly obvious that I didn’t need to actually specify that I was referring to Gurode’s performance at guard. I forget sometimes that a few of the readers around here need pop-up pictures for context. I don’t care that Gurode wasn’t playing his favorite position; what I do care about was that our line sucked those several weeks, and a large portion of the blame can be put squarely on Gurode’s shoulders.
He was just bad at a position that’s difficult to master in a short period of time.
First of all, he wasn’t just bad; he was horrible. Second, how long does he get to figure out the position? Starting in the Rams game and going through the Cardinals game, Filmstudy gave him scores per play of .74, .64, .69, .68, and .63. There’s no improvement there. In fact, the only real trend is suckage. Based on limited time against the Browns, I’d be fine with Gurode continuing as Birk’s backup, but I don’t want Gurode any closer to playing guard than that.
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Just for reference, Filmstudy considers anything below .70 points per play to be equivalent to a failing score for a guard. That means that Gurode’s absolute best outing for us in relief of Grubbs (which was what this entire conversation was about) was no better than a D performance.
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One interesting thing is I was watching an interview with Mcphee and they asked who’s the best lineman he has faced so far this season and his answer was actually Grubbs. He also mentioned Yanda and how good both of them are.
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha, see comment above.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I've probably said this already, but I really look forward to these!
Glad to see that the run game in varied and creative within itself. All I can tell from watching the game is who is carrying and which side they go to. Although I do know a reverse when I see one now. Thank you for that education Cam! Wouldn’t mind not seeing one again. lol.
I’m hoping that as he gets more snaps on the field Lee Evans will start to get into rhythm and look better.
Do you think we’ll keep feeding the ball to Vonta in short yardage situations? It seemed to work really well, but I don’t know if that was because it was different or because it was the Browns or because Vonta and our O-line were just that good. What do you think?
Do you think we’ll keep feeding the ball to Vonta in short yardage situations?
As long as it isn’t on the goal line, I am alright with giving him the ball on 3rd and 1/inches.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
What's wrong with giving it to him on the goal line?
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
We tried it already this year against Houston…..did not work out. Can we please just let him block!
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Ok,
then why give it to him on 3rd and short at all?
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Two Words
Cam. Cameron.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
But you were ok with it on 3rd and short,
so long as it wasn’t the goal line. I don’t understand the difference between 3rd and short at the goal line vs. 3rd and short at your own 20, or anywhere else on the field.
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there is usually more players in the box when it is 3rd and goal, where as the safeties are still back fairly deep when it is 3rd and short on the 50 yard line.
I don’t really have a problem with him getting the ball, but I definitely would much rather see him get 0 carries and 0 receptions and watch Ray and Ricky shred the defenses.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
And tyrod taylor on the QB Sweep. That too right? You’re into that sorta thing?
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair,
I think a bigger problem with that play was asking Dickson to throw the key block (which he missed, as detailed by FS).
I certainly see the argument about already being able to ram the ball into the Browns’ gut without gimmick plays, but Evan is right in that now other teams have to spend some portion of time game-planning for the Suggs package. And it’s never a bad idea to get a potential play-maker more snaps.
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
In theory, the wrinkle is good. In practice, we all know how cameron loves to get cute with the playcalls
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who doesn't like end arounds?
They are to Cam Cameron’s offense what the dive, dive, incomplete pass was to Cavanaugh’s.
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
In theory, the wrinkle is good. In practice, we all know how cameron loves to get cute with the playcalls
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Any play that takes the ball out of Joe’s or Ray’s hands, I am alright with.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Ngata needs more touches
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Out patterns on the goal line?
Can he be the only receiver?
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Cody at FB, Ngata at RB. Joe at Center, Koch at QB.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
The return of musket arm!
He could be the elite QB Joe will never be!
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would Not
Be surprised if we saw a trick Play from Musket Arm this week for two reasons 1) especially if the game is in hand, experiment with something, see if it works and 2) give future opposition more things to game plan against even if we do not use it again.
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I can’t decide if it’s better we use trick plays against weak teams, so good teams have to prepare for them. Or we save the trick plays for good teams, and they’re not prepared for them.
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Would rather use them against good teams.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I’ll second that.
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But, but, but
Cam has a whole list of plays that good teams will never expect! He doesn’t need to use trick plays!
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 10, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Thing with trick plays is
They rarely work for us. When is the last time one has done anything all that great. One nice flea flicker TD last season I remember but that is about it in recent memory.
Use them when they can’t really hurt us and waste opponents preparation time with them.
Ray Rice against Seattle?
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 11, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was simply pointing out
that I don’t think it matters where he gets the ball. Whether or not he should get it, that’s an entirely different monster. Luckily, I’m comfortable believing that he won’t run off screaming if he doesn’t touch the ball again this season.
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by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Vonta can’t read blocks, like most FBs. We shouldn’t overuse the FB dive. It has it’s use against bad run teams though.
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I like the FB dive sometimes especially if we put Ricky out and then hand it to Leach.
It surprises defenses since the run develops a little faster than a handoff to the running back but yeah Leach is definitely better used as a blocker.
Gurode: Scoring 11 blocks, 1 missed, 11 points (.92 per play). Gurode looks much more comfortable at center than guard.
I am all for signing him to a 1-2 year deal after this season to be a stop gap at Center until we can bring in the right young guy to take over.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I feel the exact same. He showed a lot out there when he played and looked really good. I don’t really see a dropoff from him and Birk playing wise. He was getting some real nice push it looked like.
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Evans isn’t getting good separation, he’s not able to create more space by the sideline to make a bigger target area for Joe. For the season he’s caught just 3 of the 14 balls thrown his way and he has not shown good speed since returning from the injury.
I notice before that it seem like Evans wasn’t as Fast like he shown in the preseason. I hope he can get his speed back but if he doesnt improve it looks like the ravens will be definately drafting another wideout. Wish Tandon Doss could see some playing time
indeed
But I wouldn’t write off evans just yet. There is still ball to be played and this is the first time he has been injured like this
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup. Needs to catch the ball though. He dropped a TD and a 1st down pass against Cleveless.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
No doubt, not a good year for him
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by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He can still show up…and BIG…
Wouldn’t you love to see him school some weak pitt, pats, or packers corners? Or expose weaknesses where no one knew they existed since few teams have speed & talent on both sides?
by Evan Skev on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When we go far in the playoffs and to the SB, Evans will have a big time impact in that.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Hoping… And would love to see pitt in Mobtown in January
by Evan Skev on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Buttttttttttttt, we have Torrey, so all good.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Amazing
About Torrey blocking twelve yards down the field. I thought I saw that in real time; glad FS confirmed it. The more Torrey grows and learns the pro game, sky could be the limit with Torrey, especially if he somehow acquires a physical game and not just speed…
As always, great write-up FS!
Jimmy and Torrey in rounds 1 & 2: could be as impactful as the Flacco-Rice draft picks. While not ready to put them into the Ogden-Lewis draft picks, rapidly ascending nevertheless. And throw in McPhee; and who knows what we will get out of Reid, Doss and Allen -could be a really, really good draft class. Like one for the record books…
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I don't anyone
ever matches Ogden-Lewis. 12 years of domination from the pair, with one of them still going? Ridiculous.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed and I really like Reid, Doss and Allen. I think Reid showed flashes of his ability at pre-season and just needs to develop more. Doss seems like he already has NFL ready skills, but just doesn’t have the speed and ST value some of the other receivers have, then I think Allen takes over Ricky’s job when Ricky’s done. I really like Allen a lot and think him and Rice will be a great 1,2 punch. The only person I’m not real big on is Chykie. Love his size and he has potential, but with how deep and young we are at CB, I just don’t see him ever being able to contribute.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
I think that was pretty spot on
TO BILL BRASKY!!!
by jackmca on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Chykie was a real headscratcher for me during the draft and hasn’t shown anything since then to clear his pick up for me. But i would never have guessed who our top 3 corners would be this season, so who knows where we might be after another offseason
by dimik on Dec 8, 2011 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am Reading
About too many Reed’s and Reid’s and Vonte not reading blocks…
Okay, admitting lame. And not nearly as good as, “Ray Rice from Rutgers regularly runs right very roughly for the Ravens” (or however it goes…)
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I personally like Eisen's better.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Dec 10, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Brown
After this year with Cary Jimmy and Webb performing so well, Carr and Foxworth might be released to make cap room, so it’s possible brown could have an impact
by CharmCity55 on Dec 11, 2011 11:59 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions

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