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Bengals' Rookie QB Reminds Many Of Ravens' Flacco

BALTIMORE - NOVEMBER 20:  Andy Dalton #14 of the Cincinnati Bengals looks to pass against the Baltimore Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium on November 20, 2011 in Baltimore, Maryland. The Ravens defeated the Bengals 31-24. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)

The stats might not be exactly the same, but they are close enough to see the definite comparisons between the Cincinnati Bengals rookie QB, Andy Dalton, and the 2008 rookie season of Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco. The Bengals are fighting for a Wild Card post this season while in 2008, the Ravens rebounded from an embarrassing 5-11 season to turn it around to 11-5 in Flacco's rookie year and a Wild Card slot on their way to a heartbreaking loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Championship Game.

Dalton may not end up in the post season, much less the conference championship game, the future of both which will be decided this Sunday afternoon when Baltimore travels to Cincinnati for the final regular season game this season. However, when looking at the two quarterbacks initial pro seasons, we can see the similarities between Dalton and Flacco.

Here are Flacco's rookie season (2008) statistics:

Games: 16 Comp/Att: 257-428 Pct: 60.0 Yards: 2,971 TD/INT: 14-12 QBR: 80.3

Here are Dalton's rookie season (2011) statistics:

Games: 15 Comp/Att: 278-472 Pct: 58.9 Yards: 3,166 TD/INT: 20-13 QBR: 81.8

Interesting, yet a bit disconcerting, here are Flacco's 2011 stats:

Games: 15 Comp/Att: 297-523 Pct: 56.8 Yards: 3,480 TD/INT: 19-12 QBR: 79.7

Star-divide

Granted, in both 2008 as well as this year, Flacco has a better team behind him that Dalton has had, but going into the seasons, both teams were coming off disappointing losing seasons prior to their coming to their respective teams. Furthermore, neither QB was drafted with the plan being to thrust them into starting positions right off the bat.

Baltimore had no choice than to start Joe as both starter Kyle Boller and backup Troy Smith came down with either injury or illness that necessitated the move. Cincinnati fully expected veteran QB Carson Palmer to return for his self-imposed "retirement" to mentor Dalton for at least one season.

Giving the success that both enjoyed in their rookie seasons, much less in the AFC North, give credence to the notion that both will continue to develop into solid NFL quarterbacks and lead their team to stay competitive on an annual basis. Coincidentally, neither Flacco nor Dalton were able to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in their rookie seasons, Flacco losing to the Steelers three times, including the AFC Championship Game, while Dalton lost both meetings between the teams.

So far in 2011, Dalton has also not beaten the Ravens, although he did throw for 373 yards in their first meeting, a 31-24 Ravens victory. Hopefully, the rookie will not beat the veteran in their second meeting as well.

Also, from the NFL on both Flacco and Dalton:

THE YOUNG & THE PROSPEROUS: This Sunday, two quarterbacks winning in the early stages of their careers face off in an AFC North contest with playoff implications for both teams. Baltimore’s JOE FLACCO has amassed 43 wins since being drafted in 2008, the most through a quarterback’s first four seasons among those who began their careers in the Super Bowl era (since 1966). MATT RYAN, who also entered the league in 2008, has led Atlanta to 42 wins entering Week 17.

Cincinnati’s ANDY DALTON, a second-round selection (No. 35 overall) in the 2011 Draft, has led his team to a 9-6 record this year. With a win over the Ravens, Dalton can become the fifth quarterback ever to win 10 games or more as a starter in his rookie campaign, joining a group that includes both Flacco and Ryan.

The quarterbacks to win 10+ games as a starter in their rookie seasons:

PLAYER

TEAM

YEAR

RECORD

Ben Roethlisberger

Pittsburgh

2004

13-0

Joe Flacco

Baltimore

2008

11-5

Matt Ryan

Atlanta

2008

11-5

Kyle Orton

Chicago

2005

10-5

Andy Dalton

Cincinnati

2011

9-6*

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Hmmm let’s see. Joe had a unibrow his rookie year, and Dalton didn’t. Joe has a soul, whereas Ginger Boy Andy does not. Joe had old man Mason to throw to, and Dalton has the best rookie WR in football. Joe plays for one of the most respected franchises in sports, and however….well it the Bengals, nuff said.

In all seriousness though, this Dalton/Green combo has looked damn good so far, and I imagine they’ll be giving us headaches for years to come.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not too much of a difference as rookies.

This year either. Question, when is he going to get better though???

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t know. I guess Dalton has peaked.

daytime commentator. night time ninja.

by El.Dude on Dec 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

On the real though. Dalton is a better QB his rookie year compared to Joe’s. He is a good talent.

by Raven_all_day on Dec 30, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

You guys seriously think Flacco is better than Dalton....come on man

Hes known as Baltimore Bert

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Gingers have no soul, Andy Dalton included.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

UUUUmmm. hell yeah!

Dalton has had an okay season, but he hasn’t proven anything yet! HE blows chunks against good defenses!

Don't let my defense dictate your offense..

by lastcallbmore on Dec 30, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean? He played pretty well against the Steelers the first time, and pretty well against the Ravens the first time.

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 30, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He was extremely inconsistent in our first game.

Or perhaps I would describe it as streaky. Didn’t watch Steelers-Bengals, couldn’t say.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 1, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Baltimore Bert is now the only QB in NFL history to go to the playoffs in his first 4 seasons. Hit me up when Dalton actually gets in the playoffs.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh guys

Dalton is better than Flacco now…..forget when he was a rookie

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell Dalton I said congrats on winning the division….oh wait, that’s right, he didn’t. Well tell him I give him props for already clinching a playoff spot…..wait what’s that? He hasn’t? Oh, ya I can see why Dalton is better than Flacco (roll my eyes_.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tell Flacco I said congrats on the pro-bowl

oh wait…he didn’t…Dalton will likely play in the pro-bowl this year………I am talking about comparing Dalton right now to Flacco right now….oh you bringin up old stuff

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

that's right cuz Dalton will have nothing else to do... :(

Flacco will be busy that week…

Don't let my defense dictate your offense..

by lastcallbmore on Dec 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah....I bet

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason Dalton has a shot at the Pro Bowl is because of the other QBs who are injured/dont want to play, not because he earned it. And yes I’m comparing Flacco and Dalton right now, I’m not bringing up “old stuff”. Flacco has clinched a playoff berth already this year, Dalton hasn’t. Joe has a really good shot of not only winning his division thiw year, but sweeping it as well. Andy couldn’t even manage to thwart the Steelers this year, Flacco has twice. Seems to me the Joe is the better QB right now, not ginger-boy.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

facts

completion percentage = Dalton
TDs = Dalton
Passing Yards = Flacco by 314 yards
Passer Rating = Dalton
Turnovers (int and fumbles) = Flacco by SIX wow
road record= Dalton
better offensive line= Flacco
better run game= Flacco

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah

and you lost to the Jaguars 7-12….lol

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet we are also the ONLY team in the league with 4 wins against teams who have 10 or more wins this season.

How many impressive victories do the Bengals have?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

the old impressive victories argument

you win that one… I will admit…but you have even worse defeats….The Jags…yuck..buttwhoopin at the Chargers and lost to the Seahawks and Titans…two bad teams that we have beaten….nice try though

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And we have 4 wins against the good teams that you lost to. (Pitt x2, Houston, SF)

What do you think looks better, that you beat the bad teams we lost to, or that we beat the great teams that you lose to?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

you guys are a great team and have had great wins

I just like our guys better..Dalton and Green are looking pretty good and have a good chance to win this Sunday…You haven’t faced Green yet….just like the rest….after this game…you will remember his name…..

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a great player

but that TD was a joke. Polamalu absolutely pussed out on that play, he was in perfect position to either pick it or at least knock it down.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

I agree and I’m a Steeler fan. Watched the replay of that over and over and just couldn’t figure out what Troy was thinking. Think he must have lost sight of the ball.

by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Dec 30, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That's gotta be what happened

or he just had a really bad brain fart. You don’t expect something like that from Troy.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird, everything I stated above was a fact as well. Here’s some more:

Fact: Joe has more wins in his first 4 years as QB, than anyone else in history
Fact: Flacco has beaten every team he’s played that is playoff bound (Steelers, Texans, 49ers, etc )
Fact: Dalton has only beat only 1 team with a winning record this year…1, wow.
Fact: Dalton has arguably a top 10 WR to throw to, Joe doesn’t
Fact: Dalton threw for 3 picks in out last matchup, 3. How many did Joe throw?

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

once again...talking right now...

and against the Ravens…Dalton did throw 3 picks,…but he also threw for a career high 373 yards and a would TD to tie the game…..but we wont get started on that…………..I honestly feel sorry for you and Flacco…he has games where he has just looked beyond terrible…with that blank look on his face…combined with the uni-brow…..just a scary site…so who else gets fired around Flacco after this season is over??

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Just about every QB not named Brees, Brady, Rodgers has had a game where he looks horrible.

Joe has also had games this year where he was insanely good (Pitt x2, Arizona, STL, Houston, SF, Cinci, Indy)

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just about every QB not named Brees, Brady, Rodgers has had a game where he looks horrible.

Those guys have had plenty of terrible games also. Including this year.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Your right...your team hasnt lost its edge since 2000

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't even need him to wax your ass

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+1..................that is hilarious

that is one of the best I have ever seen…

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

that is HILARIOUS

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 31, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol this made me giggle.

by AJHax513 on Dec 31, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

horrible against Jacksonville?

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Jacksonville has the 5th overall defense, buddy

Ravens have played 8 of the top 10 defenses this year, and are still 11-4.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah and who spanked the Jags

wait for it………………..Dalton

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

oh year and who spanked the Jags

wait for it………………Flacco.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Bengals*

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

being sarcastic

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It was his 3rd game...

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

the argument being made by you and others is that Dalton is better than Flacco this year. Was that game played this year? I would have to say yes unless the 49ers decided to scrimmage against TCU for some reason last year.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys lol!!!

You right. I guess that crazy defense of ya’ll had nothing to do with beating the brakes off of San Fran. However that lil lost we took I garuntee you they looked at the Bengals tape to figure out how to beat them. Flacco didn’t light it up Suggs did though!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

we ran the ball a lot that game

but Joe completed 65% of his passes with a 100.1 rating. I think he had plenty to do with that victory.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We had 8 third down passing conversions against SF. That is Joe having plenty to do with that victory.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we'll wrap it up before the 4th

but now I kinda hope it comes down to the 4th quarter when Dalton is 39th!!!!! in the league in QB rating

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

this is your brain on facts

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 31, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And? How is this an excuse?

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Considering JAX has one of the top pass defenses in the league along with our OC’s inept ability to give our best offensive player (Ray Rice) the ball more than 5 times, it didn’t go well. But for some reason this is ALL fans like you have to live off of.

How did Joe do against Pittsburgh, the team your fellow Bengals fans seem to love kissing ass to?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

You tell me when Flacco has won the division oh wait he hasn’t. Tell me when the Flacco have gotten you guys a bye week, oh wait he hasn’t… Hmmm, 20 passing TD’s yet for a 4 year starter, wait not that either huh… Aw hell just tell’em I’ll see him on Sunday to get the grass out his mask lol!!!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I must have missed when Dalton did all those things.

This has been a nice season for the Bengals. They have one every 5 years or so. Enjoy 3rd place for the remainder of Flacco and Roethlisberger’s careers….and beyond that. The Steelers and Ravens management are superb. Bengals….well I don’t even need a punchline for that joke.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He's working on it...

With a far more brighter future than Wacco Flacco!!!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not likely

Bengals will never surpass the Ravens and Steelers. The organization is an absolute joke. Give it 3 years and Dalton and Green will be demanding trades anyway.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Your right...

Keep believeing that…

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

At one point, Carson was the 2nd coming of jesus and I heard your fans say Chad would be HOF worthy by the end of his career. What makes this situation any different?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He was...

A leg injury later and he was never the same… Can’t do anything about that.

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, nice. Enjoy watching us sweep the division Bengals fans, its going to be fun.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Been there and done that...

Good luck with your team tryin too!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

What happened in the playoffs that year?

Oh yeah, you got bounced by Mark fucking Sanchez, good work. When is your last playoff win again?

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

but, we still swept the AFC North, that’s what you guys are “trying” to do this year

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

last time I checked

the playoffs are when wins are a little more important. We’ve beaten you guys plenty of times, but you wanna brag about a sweep 2 years ago? I guess you gotta brag about something, and that’s about the only impressive thing that team has done in about 2 or 3 decades.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

and it resulted in us boycotting, it’s working and we’re on the way up, all I could ask for

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Since ya'll have only been around for a decade.

We can’t really brag about your down times quite yet!!! Oh but ya’ll lost that year too right???

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

there's only 1 happy team and fanbase every year

but at least we made it farther and didn’t lose to Sanchez

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya'll happy until ya'll get...

put out lol!!!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

being in the playoffs every year is a nice consolation prize

I’ll take that over the laughingstock that is the Bengals franchise any day

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Bengals haven’t had back to back winning seasons in like 25 years. This is just the typical trend. Lots of hope, lots of patheticness. There is a reason why they have to offer 2 for 1 tickets (hint: its not the recession either)

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

8 games a year

and they can’t sell out. Pathetic. Who demands a trade first, Green or Dalton?

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, you don't know the details

we as fans, love our Bengals, just not our owner, it’s called boycotting…not this week though, boycott is on hold for this one and it will pay dividends in the end

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That is absolutely no excuse

that’s like a husband not getting along with his wife so he punches his kid. You don’t hurt your team because you don’t like the owner. Terrible fans. Potential playoff team and nobody goes to the games.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Seems like Brown did the fans a service also by making that deal.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

whatever

just keep in mind, it’s causing changes already and we’ll be there this week, should be fun

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll be there too

I imagine many Ravens fans will be in the stands, at least someone wants to see your team play

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

the deals were for season ticket holders only, so, we won’t sell em to Ravens fans

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, ok

I’m sure those 40,000 fans who don’t show up to every game all decided to go and nobody sold to a single Ravens fan

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

that's correct

I know it’s not about the Ravens, but, if you REALLY wanna undertsan…click the link and read the article

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I skimmed it, but I don't care

you forget, we have the Orioles here, we know about shitty ownership, so don’t whine about it. There is no excuse for an NFL game to not be sold out when you only get 8 a year at home, especially when the team is a potential playoff team.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

even

the Orioles have had succes in 20 years, we’re tired of it and boycotted, guess what changes have been made and there will be more to come…hopefully, we’re back, it’s working

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that it matters

but the O’s have 14 straight losing seasons and 2 playoff appearances since I was born in 84. That’s comparing apples and oranges though, like I said, every NFL game should be a sellout, no excuses.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

do you not remember not having am NFL franchise? born in 84, probably too young to remember the planes moving vans hauling the colts out in the wee hours huh?

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Before my time

I hated not having a team, not because I ever knew the Colts, but because I loved football and wanted a team. I couldn’t have asked for more than a team that has already shown me a Super Bowl win and is one of the model franchises in all of sports.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

and much repect to your org. but, B-more boycotted the colts and they disappeared, so, not like your fanbase has been the role model

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, I already know of 5 different companies including radio and TV stations around here that have bought multiple buses each to go up to the game.

Talked to one guy the other day at work, he said he just bought 20 tickets for 2/3’s face value.

Trust me, there will be PLENTY of purple there.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you sir

are mistaken, watch the game from home and then we’ll talk about all the purple, not saying there won’t be 100 or so, but, there won’t be much

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I am not mistaken. I have heard the numbers from those who arranged these trips, and it will be plenty purple there on Sunday.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll talk tomorrow

just have the feeling your getting your info from blow hards, was told once, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear, thinking it may be right on this one.

by joeb69 on Dec 31, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This time next year, all that Bengal fans have to do to get into the stadium is bring an empty coke can.

by Mayne_Event on Dec 30, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

My $ is on Green.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

As far as franchises...

Stand by good buddy, this year is just a building block. To me the Ravens will always be the steelers lil brother… When ya’ll lose on Sunday you’ll lose the division and go on the road again and face the mighty Tim Tebow!!!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Stand by good buddy, this year is just a building block.

If I had a nickel for every time a Bengals fan said that…

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

You’d have a whole dollar in your pocket =)!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Which at this point next year could probably get you a couple of tickets to a Bengals game.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And that's a bad thing because???

He makes his money regardless!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Ravens are Pittsburgh’s little brother, what does that make the Bengals? A distant cousin with down syndrome?

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That can whoop

ya’ll on a yearly basis!!!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And what do they have to show for it in the…………..last 25 years?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What do ya'll have???

SB because of a nasty defense coached by Lewis??? We swept ya’ll, won 2 division titles… That’s it for now.

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

you must mean Ray

because he made Marvin Lewis. Just like he made Mike Nolan and Rex Ryan and every other defensive coach (not to mention teammate) who walked through here. None of them would have jobs without Ray.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What has Ray done since Marvin left???

Just asking???

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

and won a 2nd DPOY award

and been in the playoffs more times than probably the whole Bengals roster combined

by YeahDonnie on Dec 30, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

did you really just asked that? haha

by mookie_20 on Dec 31, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How far did those sweeps get you? Yes, you were watching the Ravens win in the playoffs for yet another season.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

1 or 2 games, never the big one!

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know that Flacco has had more playoff wins in his short career than the Bengals franchise has had from 1990 to now?

What could you know about the big game.

by Roa on Dec 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok? Do you not understand how tough it is to win a SB in this league? Only 27 QB’s have ever done so. And only 2 have done so in their first 3 seasons.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s KC syndrome all over again. That’s all it is. This whole argument….KC syndrome.

"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed

You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.

by WestminsterRaven on Dec 30, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that term.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 1, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets see Dalton do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJUXMrsPV8M

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Hurray for broken plays!

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 2, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Clutch Dalton

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

your welcome

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s so great about an incompletion?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

dont want to touch that one huh...

I wouldnt either

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what you are getting at. It was an incompletion, wasn’t it?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

just catch up to me and we will talk later

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Catch up on what? Aren’t you guys in 3rd place?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

good post too on my site

We CAN’T beat Pitt anywhere, anytime…….nailed it

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If that gets your nipples hard, than so be it.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 30, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeh, he went, but that doesn't mean he got them there.

You know it’s pretty telling when fans, players, and coaches all think that a rookie and a halfback in disguise are better QBs than Unibro.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Dec 30, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure how you could think Dalton is better than Flacco. The last time the two of them played Dalton had a pretty rough outing… Joe on the other hand hurt you guys quite a bit.

Might want to check the homer goggles. Joe’s career QB rating is an 85. What’s Dalton’s?

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 31, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

To think back in September

this Cinci team was expected to finish as one of the worst teams, if not THE worst in the league. A lot of pieces have worked out nicely for them and I give Marvin Lewis a lot of credit. With that said I still believe the Ravens are the better team and the better team will win Sunday.

You like Thai? Tie good. You like shirt?

by Dynamo38 on Dec 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Much respect for that. Objectivity lacks from fans sometimes.

by Raven_all_day on Dec 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There is no doubt the Ravens are a better team

But these youngsters in stripes are pretty good. There is no denying the Bengals haven’t had a marquee win yet, but they are certainly capable of getting a win on Sunday. Much respect to both teams.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/12/30/2670415/week-17-preview-the-last-dragon#comments

B. Clifton Burke

by Mojokong on Dec 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think both teams respect one another and that is a good thing. It shows character on the Raven’s part and a changing of the guard on the bengals part..I can’t wait for the game.

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh there is a storm comin between the Bengals and the Ravens

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

but one day

we will become best friends and do karate in the garage. Bet on it.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 31, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry bengals

Sorry Ass team had to sell tickets 2 for 1 the team sucks and so does its fans

by Raven410 on Dec 30, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

at least

we didn’t lose our team to figgin Indianapolis and have to steal from Cleveland…friggin Indy and Cleveland???? seriously?

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If that’s your biggest hate on the Ravens, why don’t you go hang out with Pitt fans. They enjoy living in the past too. You’d fit right in.

"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed

You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say Six, I say Sweep.

by WestminsterRaven on Dec 30, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

nah west

just don’t appreciate being called sorry, I have been nothing but nice, even apologizing for one of your own fans on another post, don’t dish it if you can’t take it.

by joeb69 on Dec 30, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 perfect

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Dec 30, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Please refer to WestminsterRaven’s comment directly above yours, hopefully its helpful. And I hope you enjoyed a winning record this year, because history has shown it won’t happen again next year.

by StuckInUtah on Dec 30, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, that has gotta be the worst slogan of all time

anyone who says who dey automatically identifies themselves as a gigantic moron

by YeahDonnie on Jan 1, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

LOCKOUT

Keep in mind, Andy didn’t have a real offseason to prepare… He will be very dangerous next year. I said it from day one he reminds me of flacco. And im not hating, I really like Joe.

by AJHax513 on Dec 31, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

oh indeed

all it takes is eyes to see Dalton has got real talent and potential. But potential won’t win games. We’ll find out how much he’s matured this season.

BTW him going out and throwing another 3 picks tomorrow doesn’t change the fact that he had a great rookie season. But it’s pretty possible. Rookie QB’s don’t do well against our D.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 31, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dalton has a ton of talent!

But arguing that he’s better the Flacco is kinda silly. It might be true, but Joe Flacco is certainly no stud when it comes to being a quarterback. I love me some joe though :)

by Aggi on Dec 31, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

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