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BALTIMORE - DECEMBER 24:  Ray Rice #27 of the Baltimore Ravens runs the ball in for a touchdown after a catch against the Cleveland Browns at M&T Bank Stadium on December 24, 2011 in Baltimore, Maryland. The Ravens defeated the Browns 20-14. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)

When the Baltimore Ravens took a convincing 17-0 lead int halftime of the game with the Cleveland Browns yesterday, most fans were thrilled to see what had been a dominating performance up until that point, partially thanks to questionable play calling and time management on the part of the Browns. After a field goal by new Ravens placekicker Shayne Graham pushed the lead to 20-0 early in the third quarter, most fans and probably the players and coaches, thought the team could just coast to victory for the rest of the game.

Not so fast, Cleveland said. An inexplicable punt to the second best returner in the game after the Chicago Bears' Devin Hester, Joshua Cribbs energized the Browns with a 84 -yard punt return and the game was shortly back to being a competitive contest. A long TD drive after just another poor Joe Flacco interception cut the lead to 20-14 and then the Ravens had to hold on for dear life to settle for the victory.

The Browns contributed to the Ravens win with an early fumble and at the end of the first half, out of timeouts, Cleveland ran the ball, not leaving them any time to try to kick at least a field goal. Then late in the game, on fourth down, they threw a short pass that left them a few yards short of the first down. Finally, with perhaps one last chance to get the ball back to try to win the game, Ravens QB Joe Flacco drew the Browns defense offsides on a fourth and one in which it appeared Flacco had no intention of snapping the ball.

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The Ravens were able to move the ball on offense, especially in the first half. RB Ray Rice went over the 100-yard combined total running and pass receiving, including a sweet 42-yard reception when he outran a slower linebacker to the ball and then the end one. Flacco also hit TE Ed Dickson on a short TD pass for the Ravens first score to finish with two TD passes, but the rest of his stats were less than impressive (11-24, 132 yards, 2-TD, 1-INT). Of course, dropped passes contributed to his bottom line, led by Dickson's two drops that would have extended drives that otherwise ended with Ravens punts.

WR Lee Evans, getting the start in place of the injured Anquan Boldin, caught exactly zero passes and while Flacco even tried to force the ball to him, it resulted in that one pick in the end zone on a deep throw to Evans. Joe completed a grand total of two passes to his wide receivers, both to rookie Torrey Smith. Fellow rookie Tandon Doss got his first decent playing time this season, but along with Evans and the other tight end, Dennis Pitta, were virtually invisible all day long.

The Ravens could have and should have won this game by a lot larger score than they did, and probably would have, had they not given the Browns the jump-start by punting to Cribbs when they had the chance to put their collective feet on Cleveland's throat when they had the chance. All too often that has happened this season, including the first time these two teams met three weeks ago, when the Ravens settled for a 24-10 win that saw them leave multiple scoring chances on the field and not on the scoreboard.

As the game recap said, "a win is a win," but with their next game, the final one in the regular season, coming up next week, they will need a much stronger effort to not only win the game but go onto the post season on a positive note. The Ravens currently lead the AFC North by virtue of their tie-breaking wins over the Pittsburgh Steelers. This also gives them the #2 playoff seed, a first-round bye and at least one home game for the first time in their last four trips to the post season.

However, if the Ravens lose to the Cincinnati Bengals next week and the Steelers win, Baltimore slips all the way to the 5th seed and once again will have to go on the road in the playoffs if they hope to make it t the Super Bowl. The Bengals won yesterday and with the New York Jets losing, Cincinnati currently holds the #6 and final seed in the playoffs. If that's not enough motivation for the Bengals to win at home against the Ravens, I don't know what is.

The Ravens have been less than impressive on the road against lesser teams and their last loss was at what appeared to be a surging San Diego Chargers team. Now they will have to go into enemy territory against a solid division opponent that almost came back to beat the Ravens in their first meeting in 2011. With a 3-4 road record, there is every reason to believe that the Ravens could falter next weekend, which would have disastrous results. At the same time, the Ravens have more than enough talent to win this game and make a huge statement as they head into the "second" season.

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All these unconvincing wins yet we still have a legit shot at the #1 seed. smh.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 25, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

Why the hell are people so depressed and whiny after this win? The Pats were down 17 at home against the Dolphins and came back to win. Does it matter how? If you watch football, you know divisional match-ups are rarely cakewalks or pretty wins, especially in our division. We all know this game didn’t mean anything, as long as we got a win.

by fedfan64 on Dec 25, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The way

you win means everything. Brady instills the belief they can come back. Joe can’t do that.

by samuel o on Dec 25, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

QqqThe way you win definitely does not mean everything. Actually, it means jack shit in my opinion. Go tell these players that the way you win means everything. They will give you the same answer.

The way you lose means something, but there is no difference at the end of the day between a 35-0 victory and a 9-6 victory.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 25, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Flacco

as Billick said. “it is what it is”. They need to design the game around him not making mistakes and that means running Ray Rice 30 times. Joe is slow and can’t see the field or receivers fast enough.
He not “elite”.

by samuel o on Dec 25, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t need Elite, I need very good….and that is what Joe is.

Going to shut alotttt of people up in this next month, and I’ll be the first one here to make sure the entire world knows it.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 25, 2011 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I couldn't concurr more

Joe is slow, doesn’t see the field entirely and isn’t a quick decision making QB. Once Cam Cameron is gone, the fans will see that. No matter what offensive coordinator you bring in here, the results will be the same. Then and maybe then Ozzie will realize he’s gotten as much out of Joe as he’s gonna get.

by JOB_1969 on Dec 26, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup, you are one of the those people who I love watching bitch about Joe being our QB for the next 10 years…..because it is going to happen.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 26, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Can’t stand these people that come out like this, but when we destroy somebody and Joe is lights out you don’t ever hear from them.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Dec 26, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

like we really needed another 3 or 4 of these people on this blog. sigh

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 26, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

They’ve really come out of the woodwork over the past day or two. What did the Beatdown do to deserve a lump of coal in its stocking?

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel

by Ampallang on Dec 26, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Out of nowhere all these people I have never seen on here just come out of nowhere to bash on Flacco. This is insane.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Dec 26, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i would love to teleport to the parallel universe where these fans get their way and see what it looks like when we draft a new QB and start from scratch and fans are wondering “why the hell did we do that?”

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 26, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

All they need to do is rewind back to Boller.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Dec 26, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

we’ve seen more than enough bad QBs here to know what one looks like. Joe Flacco is not even close to a bad QB.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 26, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Flacco

Is the Raven version of Jim Kelly of the B Bills. He could never get them to the promised land and Joe doesn’t have the Brady killer instinct to get us there either. As for the Fu Man Chu..he is no Joe Namath either. Winners rally around winners and we direly lack that motivation.

by samuel o on Dec 25, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Who does have that killer instinct?

Plenty of Journeymen QBs no better or even worse than Flacco have won it in recent history. (Trent, Eli, Brad Johnson)

by Roa on Dec 25, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s really only 3 QB’s we’d realistically prefer to have right now. Brady, Brees, Rodgers. That makes us pretty lucky.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 25, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Blame joe all you want...

Our offense looks like shit because of play calling….plain and simple… Cam has absolutely no clue how to fit his scheme to our personnel….stone hands don’t help joe either, we had three drives end because of drops

by Snipes_allday on Dec 25, 2011 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

This is ridiculous.

Ed Dickson holds on to those beautiful throws from Joe and we score at least another 7-10 points on those drives. But since this is the NFL were talking about and not Madden 2012 it didnt quite work out that way. God forbid the Browns show some pride and play good ball for 2 quarters on Christmas Eve, with their families and fan-base at home praying to God they dont get embarrassed for their Christmas presents. When we win next week Im sure the wagon will slowly but surely get a little stronger.

Scott Hines

by shines on Dec 25, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

oh indeed

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 25, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This may be the worst 11-4 team I have ever seen. I am a huge fan of the Ravens as well as Flacco, but their maddening inconsistency, not only from game to game but from quarter to quarter is a killer. There is no way in G-ds green earth that we can play like that and expect to win a SB. If we get there and that is a HUGE IF, a team like GB or NO will embarrass us to no end. I love my Ravens and it kills me to say it, but IMHO it is true.

by ppdoc on Dec 25, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Giants sure looked like world-beaters in the 2007 regular season too.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 25, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

he is correct

the ravens and joe flacco are not consistent enough on offense. Once teams take ray rice away and joe ca’t move the team, then they will see. some say 11-4 but like a stock, they are the downward spiral

by jabarib on Dec 25, 2011 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Only problem is, teams haven’t really found out a way to take Rat Rice out of the game. In all honesty, the only one to take Rice out of the game this year has been Cam.

I love this downward spiral of winning, just warms my heart every time it happens.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 25, 2011 9:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i love the downward spiral of sweeping divisional opponents.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 26, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Flacco is descent

He’ll never take this team to 4 Superbowls let alone 4 in a row though. Jim Kelly way better, obviously. If Flacco can get 1 ring before hes through hed be doing good….To bad Ray won’t be around long enough to see it. Ravens will lose in the first or second round maybe afc championship game this year. Ed reed isn’t getting any younger either.

by Tim8194 on Dec 25, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

Uh, Tim, descent means going down. Freudian slip or typo?

Thats funny right there.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Dec 27, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait for another bad losing season

And fans will wish we had a “disappointing” 11-4 season like this one. Oh yeah, so would 26 other teams of my math is right.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 25, 2011 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

no kidding. The ghost of Christmas past needs to show these people a tony banks game.

I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR

by jackmca on Dec 26, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn cool off people

Before u just go off on flacco, how bout comparing to most other quarterbacks? Id take him over Fitzpatrick, Sanchez, smith, freeman, and the list goes. He’s a good qb and those don’t come around often. We just need to build around him after we lock up rice. Hell do us good once we kick are wretched offensive coordinator to the curb. He’s downright awful and is no help at all to r offense. FUCK YOU CAMERON!!!! Sorry, I apologize for the outburst, but I solely believe that if we don’t win the superbowl, it’ll be cameron to blame.

by Ravens4Life on Dec 26, 2011 1:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

And also...

Why the hell is jim kelly in the conversation. His time is done and he does not need to be brought up in conversation about flacco. Ever wonder why newly drafted quarterbacks are called “quarterbacks of the future” and not “quarterbacks of the past”? Hmmm? Jim kellys time is done and gone and its flaccos time now. Quit ragging on him with unintelligent arguments. Hell come through

by Ravens4Life on Dec 26, 2011 1:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey guys, JJ the Bengals fan is back. I think all of this is kinda funny (HaHa funny)

You guys are 11-4 and I am seeing a lot of complaining. I would almost give my left tesicile (almost) for the Bengals to be where you guys are. Is Flacco elite? No, I guess from my perspective I can’t go there, but he is a pretty good QB. Aside from some ST breakdown I don’t see ant weakness on your team and believe me I wish I could.It is possible that many of you are spoiled a bit. I cannot understand for the life of me why you guys aren’t doing the Walter Houston dance right now.

We are expecting a very tough game here in Cincy this week. I was actually rooting for you the beat the Chargers and have the division wrapped up by the time this next game is played. You guys are going to come into Cincy with a determined sense of purpose and you are going to meet up with a team that will be fighting for a playoff spot that they dearly want. It is going to be push – shove. It will be a war. It will be fun to watch. I will be there.

If we play like we did last Sunday – minus Benson losing his first and second fumble ot the season in one game – you guys better breing your A game. We didn’t have Green or Dunlap at full strength the last time we played at your house and Simpson is finally starting to get it. Yu guys are the better team but not by as much as many would think.

I predict that it will take as good of a game as you have played this year to win if we play like we can. Can we win – yes we can. Will we win – I don’t know it all depends on who can put it all together for 60 minutes. Green is a real beast of a receiver, but he is dinged up a bit. Dunlap played against you for a dozen or so last time at about 75% and it set him back from a hammy injury for 3 weeks. He is now 100%.

As for you guys, is Boldin going to play? If not that makes it a little easier but Ray Rice is always dangerous and Flacco has enough weaponry to get the job done against a secondary that has had it’s share of problems.

Home field advantage gives us some boost as you guys are dominate at home but all in all I think this game is a complete toss up. I would advise all players on both teams to make sure their chin straps are in good condition because this could very well be the toughest game of the year for the winner. Man is this going to be a great game. Much geater on an impactful game than anyone expected at the beginning of the seaspn. We will not be playing to be spoilers. You guys are the ones who will be playing that role. Isn’t this kind of game the reason we are all such big football fans?

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Dec 26, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

You guys are going to come into Cincy with a determined sense of purpose

We also thought that same thing against Tenn, JAX, Seattle and SD….

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 26, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And Boldin in not playing.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 26, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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