Offensive Line Model and Notes 11/24/11
Each week the Ravens put out a press release that looks a little like the media guide with some similar information. I would guess the target audience is primarily the other team’s media, because the information doesn’t change too much from week to week.
If you like the media guide and the little information boxes, you’d love this stuff. The Ravens have the 4th best record against the NFC since 2008 (10-5). The Ravens have allowed the fewest 1st-possession points in the NFL this season (0, Arizona/Houston had allowed 7 entering Sunday). My favorite, however, are the Ravens’ gaudy records when they win the turnover battle since 2000 (58-1 when at least +2 and 80-4 when +1 or better).
I interviewed a candidate for an actuarial job a few years back. This young man said he had done a project for school and found that fumbles were not particularly well correlated to wins, but that interceptions were highly correlated. I asked him why he thought that was true.
He started to talk about the fact that an interception was more likely to be returned for a score while the recovering team is more likely to just fall on a fumble. That may be true, but it’s not the primary reason as I’m sure you probably know.
Since the trailing team must take more passing risks as the game winds down, they frequently pick up interceptions as a result. However, fumbles are not as well correlated, because they are not a natural consequence of most come-from-behind strategies.
We call that mistaking correlation for causality or ascribing causality to correlation.
Are turnovers something to be avoided? Of course. Can you often point to a key turnover as the turning point in a close game? Sure. However, the most common way to win the turnover margin is to get a lead and force the other team to make mistakes while your quarterback is able to manage the game safely.
So the next time the announcer puts up his keys to the game and one of them is something like “win the turnover battle”, you’ll know he really means “get ahead, manage the clock, and force the opponent to take chances catching up”.
The offensive line scores were good this week. That is a reflection of a penalty and sack-free game.
The Ravens had just 54 offensive snaps excluding the 4 kneels.
McKinnie: Bryant’s primary responsibilities were Justin Smith an Aldon Smith who together make one hellacious assignment. He was having a terrific game until the 4th quarter when he stumbled. He allowed a QH by Aldon Smith on Flacco’s TD pass (Q4, 15:00). With the Ravens running out the clock, he was beaten inside by Aldon for a penetration to take down Rice for a loss of 1. I scored all 6 of his missed blocks on runs up the middle. Scoring: 46 blocks, 6 missed, 1 penetration, 1 QH, 41 points (.76 per play).
Grubbs: Ben had 6 blocks in level 2, 4 of which were on Willis. He pulled 3 times, his first attempts since returning, and connected on all 3. I noticed no mobility struggles. He added 2 pancakes. Most importantly, he did not have any negative events as a pass blocker. Scoring: 50 blocks, 4 missed, 50 points (.93 per play).
Birk: He was driven backwards several yards by Sopoaga on the failed 3rd and 1 (Q4, 9:52). Williams took a wider path that resulted in no gain. Since the play did not go for a loss, he gets only a missed block on the play. He missed just 1 other block which also led to no gain. Birk had 1 block in level 2. Scoring: 52 blocks, 2 missed, 50 points (.96 per play).
Yanda: Marshal was blocked straight backwards by Sopoaga (Q1, 10:41) which pressured Flacco. He also allowed a QH to Sopoaga (Q3, 4:38) when he failed to stay with his block as Flacco stepped up. Yanda was otherwise outstanding. He made 9 blocks in level 2, 3 of which came on Bowman and the last 6 on Willis. His 2nd-half blocks versus Willis were very physical and he appeared to take pleasure driving him back several yards on every play. Scoring: 51 blocks, 1 missed, 1 pressure, 1 QH, 46 points (.85 per play).
Oher: Oher returned to top form against the 49ers. His only negatively scored play occurred when Aldon Smith steamrolled him for a QH (Q2, 15:00). He had 4 blocks in level 2, including 2 on Willis. He was faced several times with the opportunity to block LCB Carlos Rogers who is 199 lbs, but would typically simply touch him up with Rogers retreating or standing still (examples include Q4, 12:18 and Q4, 4:02). I wonder why he didn’t give Rogers a physical beating as he would a lineman. Scoring: 52 blocks, 2 missed, 1 QH, 49 points (.91 per play).
Reid: Reid entered for Rice’s ill-fated sweep right from the 1 at LTE and failed to make a block. It was his only snap. Ngata did not see action.
Other Offensive Notes:
• On Sunday, Flacco had ATS on 14 of his 23 pass attempts (61%). With ATS, he completed 10 of 14 passes for 111 yards with 0 TDs and 0 INT. The 7.9 YPP is somewhat of an understatement given the Ravens longest play of the night was the 50-yard PI call. That ball was underthrown, but Brown needed to lock up Smith to prevent separation. Add the PI as a completion and Flacco is 10.7 YPP with ATS.
• Joe had outstanding results without ATS. He completed 5 of 9 for 50 yards, including the TD to Pitta (on a QH) with no sacks or turnovers (5.6 YPP).
• Evans’ catch (Q3, 5:19) and outmuscling of Donte Whitner was his biggest contribution of the season and one of the big plays in the game. PFF shows him with 21 snaps, up from 11 last week. We have yet to see a demonstration of speed like we did in the preseason.
• Boldin had an up and down game. He was successful running pick routes as the last to release from the bunch. The best example was his slow release from the bunch right (Q1, 13:48) which he caught between Rogers and Culliver between the right hash and numbers for 7 yards + 15 YAC. Even a fine defensive team like the 49ers matched him up with a linebacker (Brooks) when he lined up in the slot on the very next play (Q1, 13:09). That was a mismatch that went for 16 yards (including 9 YAC). However, he had another drop (Q, T) and has now had 1 or more in each of the last 4 games.
• For the second straight week the Ravens failed to convert some important short-yardage situations. They failed to convert at the goal line (Q2, 4:10) and failed on 3rd and inches at the 49ers 46 (Q4, 9:52). The desire to run wide in those situations is frustrating, not because it can’t work, but because in previous years they have used both a 6 and 7-man front with Haloti Ngata to lead the way rather than a poor blocker like Ed Dickson in at TE.
• If you haven’t seen the Sound FX special on the game from the NFL network, it’s outstanding and will no doubt be repeated this week. It’s a virtual comp for the 2004 GOTW versus the Jets which was the first NFL Films produced in this without-a-narrator format. They have 5 players (Rice, Suggs, Flacco, Willis, Smith), both head coaches, a booth coordinator for each team, both broadcast crews, and the referee. It’s real and very funny. If you haven’t seen the 2004 game against the Jets, it’s available on Hulu and I’d say the broadcast is a cut above that of Thursday’s game since there is more focus on the game itself. It’s also the deepest insight into the complexity of coaching Ray Lewis I’ve ever seen presented.
• Lost in the Sound FX presentation was the man handling of Patrick Willis in the run game. Yanda and Grubbs took terms sticking a shoulder on him. He also absorbed blocks from Oher and Leach. For the game, he was in on 8 tackles but only 2 would be termed defensive victories. The Ravens ran the ball 31 times for just over 3 yards per carry, but Willis’ 4 run stops were for 7, 3, 3, and 4 yards respectively. The Ravens simply never let him get near the LoS unblocked to stuff a runner. He did make 2 jarring tackles on short pass plays in the middle.
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great read as usual
Just another quick statline; in a 5 day span against 2 of the best defenses in the league this year (specifically against the run), Ray Rice put up 230 yards from scrimmage along with 2 touchdowns. No reason we cant ride into the playoffs from Ray’s back alone with the line playing so well, no more excuses, no more letdowns. I believe it’s crunch time.
Scott Hines
by shines on Nov 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Boldin’s drops are a bit concerning. He has great hands, but has seemed to drop some passes in big situations. Hopefully he gets it figured out because we need Q to show up come playoff time.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Nov 29, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This
+googol
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
by vlad755 on Nov 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gaither was waived by the Chiefs
Seems like Ozzie made the right move in the off season. My question now is, should we try to sign him to a small contract to backup McKinnie? We really have very few options at OT.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
… should we try to sign him to a small contract to backup McKinnie?
That wouldn’t be good for Evan Skev’s blood pressure.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
by Ampallang on Nov 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bet $1 he goes above 130/90.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Evan Skev on Nov 29, 2011 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
encryption so complicated
Only stevie wonder can read it
TO BILL BRASKY!!!
by jackmca on Nov 29, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I’d love to have Gaither back now… Maybe he hit rock bottom finally and is ready to work
by Evan Skev on Nov 29, 2011 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This puts him squarely in position to make a push for the Hall of Fame.
TO BILL BRASKY!!!
by jackmca on Nov 29, 2011 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Hall of Shame
What a waste of 6’9" 340#
I’m 5’5" 112#
by Evan Skev on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The nature of your comments make a little more sense now.
you remember that play, from that game, on that day. sweet, right?... right...
by El.Dude on Nov 30, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I wasn’t going to say it
TO BILL BRASKY!!!
by jackmca on Nov 30, 2011 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are pretty naive
I expect it from el poopy but Jack you’re a soldier… Come on man
by Evan Skev on Nov 30, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He already has a contract… If he gets claimed, claiming team would the balance of his mini deal… About $400K
When he clears waivers, he’ll be able to sign for vet mini again…prorated.
The.problem is he doesn’t want to work… And that makes him worthless as a pro athlete
by Evan Skev on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
McKinnie: Bryant’s primary responsibilities were Justin Smith an Aldon Smith who together make one hellacious assignment. He was having a terrific game until the 4th quarter when he stumbled. He allowed a QH by Aldon Smith on Flacco’s TD pass (Q4, 15:00)
That was one of the best throws I have ever seen Joe make. He may get flustered under pressure (what QB doesn’t?) but he definitely isn’t afraid to take a hit in order to stay in there a half a second longer to deliver a bullet to Pitta.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow! Marshall--
NINE level 2 blocks! And Michael—FOUR. That’s sum’tin.
My thanks to you again, FS, for your analysis.
by Sam25 on Nov 29, 2011 10:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So agree
This stuff is so good and it’s so much info that you just don’t see anywhere else.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The dude is pro in his analyses.
What’s up with hands? Why doesn’t he crush a db when gets the chance?
by Evan Skev on Nov 30, 2011 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
O-Lineman aren’t usually asked to block a DB. I want him on the LB if he is getting down field.
He made 9 blocks in level 2, 3 of which came on Bowman and the last 6 on Willis.
Much rather have him hitting Willis than Carlos Rodgers.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry… I meant Oher. Why wouldn’t he crush a db
by Evan Skev on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oher is a sweetheart.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive met and spoken with him in Miami Beach.. he’s a big teddy bear…BIG
by Evan Skev on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
QH=?
Quarterback Hit?
Montreal Canadiens///Toronto Blue Jays///Baltimore Ravens
Yup
You got it.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Filmstudy
This is actually some of the best stuff I have ever seen on any SB Nation site. Hell, I’m not even a Raven fan but you’ve made Baltimore Beatdown a must read for me with all this analysis.
Keep it up, I really enjoy it
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Nov 30, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I had a sneaking suspicion that the Kiwi was a closet Ravens fan.
You’re welcome around here anytime, kiwi. And we won’t rush you to declare your allegiance to the best American football team in the world.
by Evan Skev on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol wait till you see me on gameday
Definitely not a Raven fan. But I can show respect to enemies that deserve it
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 1, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
your “best” team has 6 losing seasons in 15 years
his team has 7 losing seasons in 42 years…
Or if you want to be more recent.
2 Super Bowl trophies out of 3 tries since the purple browns came
1 out of 1 for the purple browns.
…so…about that “best” team?
No wait, one of your claims in the "get to know your fellow BBers’ was related to a team that wins once out of 15 years, right? Well….that’s your team too, once out of 15 years.
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and i hope i am…but getting swept by the dirty birds is as bad as you can get…Their QB is Joe Flacco….
If someone does what Balt did the first game, and your response is what happened last night, how can you possibly have hope?.
Last week was nice…but look at them..it’s the decline of the Pats empire…they aren’t good anymore.
The Ravens are better at every position except QB…not a chance of "revenge’ should we be unlucky enough to meet again.
you can use the past history thing…that’s cool..and it is important but we ACTUALLY have a good quarterback for what? 5, 6 years? our best defensive players are 30 plus, other than Wood…
the window is very small…it needs to get done now
look, i already have a hundred bucks that i’m hoping to lose. if you’d like to go that route..we can..i don’t care.
you can be sunshiney or whatever…
what team has ever been swept by their biggest rival and still went on and won the Super Bowl?
the answer to that riddle is "no one"
Do these answer your question?
Comments made by hmmmm? Oh wait those are what you said.
Stay classy my friend.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
nice research
you have some time…nice!
However, if you are going to use my drunken ramblings from a day when I had to put my dog down, I can assure you, there is better than that :)
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takes 5 minutes and just putting out the facts.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
how are those "facts"
related to my comment? Which pointed out that one team had 6 losing seasons out of 15, and the other had 7 out of 40+?
Or 2 to 1?
please, enlighten me
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Because your comment was used to belittle our team and prove the superiority of the Steelers. Didn’t think I would have to spell it out for you Frank, but I’m not getting into your little pointless arguments you and Evan like to have on every thread. This is to good of a write up for you to come trolling on over here and basically ruin a very well researched post. Have a good one.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
no
my comment was used to respond to a moronic comment your chief moron made.
As always, you felt the need to defend him, even though I’ve seen you make comments toward him that are pretty close to the ones I’ve made toward him
What is there to spell out? I answered what he said. Period. No reason to delve any further.
You’re whining is cool, but all you gotta do is ignore, right?
BTW…“too” good
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“You’re” is a contraction of “you are.” “Your” is the possessive you were looking for right before pointing out a spelling error. Way to put you’re foot in yore mouth, bud.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
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by Ampallang on Dec 2, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it does happen to “yore” from time to time. But I appreciate your help!
The irony of my mistake is on par with the irony of similar mistakes from others on this site. So we’ll call it a wash.
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No
Do not rationalize unadorned recitations of you as homologous to in-house critiques of one BB’er to another.
You have far exceed the annoyance quota and greatly contributed to the ignorance and general lowering of couth and facetious of this board.
AV is correct- FS’s efforts deserve better than you; your very presence insults the prodigiousness of his opuses.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
by vlad755 on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Webster, at it again.
I sincerely hope you are pulling at least two million a year. Otherwise you spend 200k to make yourself feel smart.
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A Measure of Contrasts
I value a person’s education and character whereas you value a person’s salary and how much money they make. That is about where you land on the spectrum.
$200k? How very proletariat of you. Didn’t cost me a dime.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
by the way hotshot
“facetious” is an adjective, your use does not qualify a noun, now does it?
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the “ness”; -typo. Sue me.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I won't sue you
I’d just ask that you stop thinking you’re smart because you’ve read Websters cover to cover.
You use that to make yourself believe you are in some way superior. Well, I called your mistake. I’m aware of the words and choices you make, I just choose not to use them, because they end up making you looks worse, not better.
Just because you can read a dictionary doesn’t mean you are “uber smart” And like I said, if you aren’t pulling 2 million a year, you blew your money, and that’s as dumb as you can get.
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Jealousy
Is such an ugly trait. But it suits you well.
Btw, it is called using English vocabulary and grammar properly; and also being a learned person. You should try it some time.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Webster
what am i jealous of again? Is that your defense mechanism? seriously? that’s weak.
I should try what again?
Do you mean I should try to sound smart, while making myself look like an idiot?
Oh, you want me to Vlad…cool!
2 masters, master of none.
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oh, nevermind
I know what you mean. I should read the dictionary, so that if an opportunity arises, I can make myself seem “smart”
Of course, anyone with a brain will instantly pick up on that, and think “damn, what a douche”
If that’s what you gotta do, do it. There probably isn’t much else for you.
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+Vocab 101
Frank- Come on man. We don’t want to read a debate every week on the greatness of the Steelers vs the Ravens. I realize one of our members usually brings up the topic to get attention.
Stop taking the bait.
Think if our roles were reversed, and someone was doing this at the Steeler website.
you remember that play, from that game, on that day. sweet, right?... right...
You have a point.
I don’t believe I’ve ever proclaimed the greatness of my team other than in reaction. I’d love to just come here and talk football, but you have two people that won’t leave me alone. If you could talk to them and tell them to stop, I swear i would.
I admit, I take the bait, because I get some sort of sick satisfaction from conflict, but I don’t go looking for it.
As far as the one you’re talking about, my point is proven, that’s over.
However, if you could talk to the other guy, we could end this crap.
I sincerely enjoy talking football with people like jackma, oc52 etc, that’s what I’m going for. I understand I’m not helping matters by responding to those people, but I can’t help it.
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The problem people have is you are responding to Evans comments on a Baltimore site. He’s not going over to BTSC and stating them it’s over here. Then you come over here on the other teams site out of nowhere and get into it with him and it goes on and on and on. Then I jump in at times not because you are talking crap to Evan I don’t blame you for that, but you talk about our team. Once again on a Baltimore site. If everytime you said something negative about the Ravens at BTSC and I came over and got into it with you on every thread I can guarantee you members over there wouldn’t be happy with me. That’s the reason I jump in. I could care less what you say about Evan and I’m not defending him. i’m defending my team and I come here to talk football and more specifically Ravens football and you and Evan together are ruining the quality of this blog.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
by AV23 on Dec 2, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t play the victim card. You have control over your comments.
you remember that play, from that game, on that day. sweet, right?... right...
that I do
I’m not sure how I played the victim, I thought I made it clear. I will respond to assholes, all the time.
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Playing the victim card:
I understand I’m not helping matters by responding to those people, but I can’t help it.
Just don’t respond to Evan’s comments. That’s all I ask.
you remember that play, from that game, on that day. sweet, right?... right...
well,
why wouldn’t you ask him to stop talking to me? Why do I have to be the guilty party?
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why wouldn’t you ask him to stop talking to me?
because most your comments are replies to him. He makes a statement about Pitt and then you pop up. This is a Ravens site there is going to be negative things said about Pitt. You basically come over here just to provoke. You say all you want to do is talk football, but look at what your first comment was on this post. Classic example is your first comment on this post. Evan wasn’t talking to you and you come replying about how much greater Pitt is. That was only meant to provoke not come here to be civil and talk football. Whether you realize it or not that’s how the marjority of your comments are here. It’s either to get into it with Evan or bash Flacco.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
He's followed a few people around the site,
doing what he did to you. They asked him to stop, he didn’t, so they ignored him, and he left them alone eventually.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Dec 2, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
are you in your right mind? how do you follow someone around a site?
if someone wants to make a personal argument out of a football discussion, they have to take personal responsibility for what they say and to whom they say it
to place blame on me is ridiculous… this all started when a handful of people couldn’t let go of Jared Gaither… that turned into me being an “asshole” and then after that nothing I said or did was correct…
my response is that none of you is a capable value judge of anyone’s character and to spread the blame around when looking for a scapegoat. Half of you think you own this site and the other half blindly tag along… a lot of you even side with pitt fans when they have absolutely 0 interest in having a football related discussion… they only care that they come out on top in an argument and their team comes out on top in the standings… even if it takes a missed fumble call, three turnovers in a row, or a dropped TD pass in OT.
I don’t accept blame… nor do I point my fingers at you, OC… but I can take it as good as I give it and I don’t hang around trying to ruin anyone’s character or acting butthurt because someone said something with which I didn’t agree… that’s a couple other “young men” who frequent this site.
I think it’s shameful.
by Evan Skev on Dec 3, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how do you follow someone around a site?
Perhaps if he had phrased it in terms of hanging on their jock, it might seem a little more feasible to you.
this all started when a handful of people couldn’t let go of Jared Gaither…
By my count, it was just one person who couldn’t let go of Gaither. He’s the one that refused to respond to evidence about his favorite subject because he can’t be bothered to read anything longer than 1000 words.
Half of you think you own this site and the other half blindly tag along…
Beatdown Co-owners:
Mr MaLoR
John Stephens
lastcallbmore
Zachary Beard
the Koch bros.
Evan Skev
vlad755
Beatdown Blind Taggers Along:
ampallang
organizedchaos52
AV23
Blind Joe Flacco
that girl from Wisconsin
FrankWyt
Filmstudy
jackmca
Mstevens_Design
I feel like I’m spot on here, but let me know if I missed anybody.
a lot of you even side with pitt fans …
Maybe that’s because they don’t make claims like, “Half of you think you own this site and the other half blindly tag along…”
… none of you is a capable value judge of anyone’s character …
…
I think it’s shameful.
I’m glad somebody around here is a “capable value judge” (whatever that is) and can let us know when our actions are shameful.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
by Ampallang on Dec 3, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome. I forgot how entertaining the back and forth between you two is.
you remember that play, from that game, on that day. sweet, right?... right...
It’s a perfect illustration of what I mean. Absolutely perfect.
Carry on.
by Evan Skev on Dec 3, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude
I’m definitely a co-owner.
TO BILL BRASKY!!!
by jackmca on Dec 4, 2011 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta Agree
With this.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I’m definitely a co-owner.
The list stands as written. I’ll update it during the off-season; you have until then to improve your standing. Fair warning: I’ll also be instituting a David Reed category for jazz20 and the blog’s most egregious offenders, so don’t slip up.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
by Ampallang on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How are these “co-owners” decided?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
but as i said
BEFORE you typed the original comment about "don’t play the victim card
I proved my point, it’s over.
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Impressive
This is the most passive-aggressive post I have seen in a long time. Mommy and Daddy should be so proud- I’ll bet you if you print it out, they will let you hang it on the ’fridge.
Yes, I just did insult you. And no, “useless” stats were not used in any part of this post. I figure I had to point this out to you since you have a hard time recognizing either.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
Yahoo.
How’s that 300 k in loans working for you? You’re a “clever” poster on BB…NICE!, you’ve earned it.
More useless stats that are right on par with Sanchez though. I need them.
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Not A
Single dime in loans, Sherlock. First you claim $200K, then $300k; do I hear 4?
Didn’t cost me a penny. Or anybody in my family for that matter; none of my relatives work at Hopkins or are associated with Hopkins in any way shape or form.
In fact, the only thing I owe is a mortgage (on property that is not upside down thank you very much- mostly due to hard work and sacrifice). Not even a car loan -own them outright.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
you say a lot
for someone who never says anything.
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and "where's the beef"?
wait, that doesn’t apply, maybe I should stop looking to advertising campaigns to dictate the way i act…I know..that’s nuts.
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doesn't really refute anything I said
that you responded to though.
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Seriously?
You had to turn a little tongue-in-cheek comment from Evan into this? You astound me, and not in a good way.
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 4, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
you really think
anything from him is tongue in cheek? Trust me, I understand your position, and your “astounded-ness” But there is nothing from that particular individual that doesn’t have malice intended. It was all good until it turned personal. Sorry if that bothers you.
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Me and Evan actually do ok
I dont need you around to judge what he is saying to me. Hes never insulted me, hes never accused me of trolling, hell even once he told me I am welcome here anytime.
We’ve thrown smart little jabs at each other in the past, nothing bad ever happens from it.
And even if there were malice in it, it doesnt require you coming over here and turning it into a massive shitstorm…
You behave fine on BTSC, why cant you do the same here?
Its not a Steelers blog, its a Ravens blog. If anyone from this site came onto BTSC and acted the way you do here, I would ban them for degrading the level of conversation and posts.
By the sounds of it, youre almost banned from here. Why keep pushing it if you actually, legitimately like coming on here?
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 4, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Never said you did
He has accused you of that though. i remember a comment that said something along the lines of “go back to your site with the rest of your trolls”.
What I said was not an answer in defense of you, it was an honest answer to what he typed, about “best team”. I have seen him insult you, but again, that’s not the point.
I don’t really believe that I am solely responsible for turning anything in to a “shitstorm” If you’ve noticed, a lot of people that are only members of this blog feel the same way about this person.
As far as your “behavior” question. I guess it’s because I respond to certain types of people. I don’t know, maybe it’s the fact that I spend everyday around people that never want to disagree about anything because it’s not “pc”,. Or maybe I don’t react well to personal attacks. Whichever works for you I guess.
You are right, it is a Ravens blog, but as I said, it was all good until it became personal. Most of the people I interact with on here are cool and fun to talk to. There is obviously one who isn’t, and another that responded to me because of what I said to the original "one who isn’t ".
The answer to “why can’t you do the same here?” is the same. It’s all good until it becomes personal.
As far as being banned. I received a warning yesterday. I have no interest in responding to either of the two parties that I responded to that resulted in the warning.
Haven’t pushed anything since the warning. I proved my point to the person in question, it’s done. As far as the other guy, he was just defending his blog I guess.
Any other questions, I’d be glad to answer.
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As far as your "behavior" question. I guess it’s because I respond to certain types of people. I don’t know, maybe it’s the fact that I spend everyday around people that never want to disagree about anything because it’s not "pc",. Or maybe I don’t react well to personal attacks. Whichever works for you I guess.
So go for a walk. Cool off. Dont take things said over the internet seriously. Its really not that hard to just be the bigger man and walk on.
You are right, it is a Ravens blog, but as I said, it was all good until it became personal.
The answer to "why can’t you do the same here?" is the same. It’s all good until it becomes personal.
A lot of the time it is usually you who starts the personal attacks, if it isnt you who starts them then you certainly continue them. Evan says something about the Steelers sucking, not really surprising from a Raven fan, and then you do your “derpz, crynz, yumz” shit.
Haven’t pushed anything since the warning. I proved my point to the person in question, it’s done.
Please keep it that way then
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 4, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Dont take things said over the internet seriously.
srslybro?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
immadbro
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 4, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
outtamilkbro
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 4, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
If you think
that, that is fine. I will say I start it. And if you think it has anything to do with “Steelers suck” type stuff, that is fine too. I would say you are incorrect.
As far as taking it seriously. I’m not sure I am. It was fun till it wasn’t fun. Personal or not.
And “bigger man” . I refer to your first comment. It’s the internet.
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Another great post ruined…
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Indeed it’s a shame. All the threads look similar and it’s really sad that there’s not as much real football talk. Especially in posts like this with so much good information. I’ve tried reasoning, but obviously it hasn’t worked out. I will do my part from here on out and just quit responding and stick to Ravens football.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
This.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Dec 2, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Should be taken care of shortly after today.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Hope so!
I’m new here and would rather read chat Raven’s football than read arguments about other teams.
You can save brain cells by avoiding game threads and Ask the Other Team threads before divisional games.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
State your case, back it up with facts and reasonable opinions ...
Bruce Raffel
Which one of you is pretending you don’t engage in the same behavior.. Malor, jack, ampa…
Ampa why don’t you play devils advocate… Go search and quote… Implicate everyone including yourself
Show us how sage & impartial you are when it comes to the truth! Obviously I’m kidding… We both know that will never happen
Go Baltimore
by Evan Skev on Dec 3, 2011 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but i own this blog
TO BILL BRASKY!!!
by jackmca on Dec 4, 2011 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Please tell me you are talking about banning FrankWyt?
Formerly known as Steeler_
BTSC's token Kiwi fan. That means I'm a New Zealander. Yes, that small country next to Australia....no we are not part of Australia
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 4, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Quit trollin…
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Ha!
This is great! I know you two (MaLoR & jack) are just messin’ with the Kiwi -he seems like a pretty decent person, for a squeeler fan :) Which reminds me, so much for the theory about the Squeelers going quietly into the night. Looks like it is going to be a knife fight in a phone booth for the Division title… That was just ugly today for Cincy…
All other actions taken or not taken with other parties- nothing but good can come of it. Happy happy joy joy!
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."
For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind
I can't tell which is worse,
dealing with this shit or dealing with some of the dudes from DBN.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Dec 2, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions

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