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Booting Private Ryan--Defensive Notes vs. Jets 10/2/11

Maureen and I enjoy hockey and were watching a Caps/Flyers game in one of the last 2 seasons. The broadcast cut to a fan in the stands with a sign that read Briere = [picture of a cat]. The photo to the right captures the essence. I turned to Maureen and said "Briere equals cat?" She just looked back sideways at me and I said ‘oh…OH!"

Since then, when we see less than manly behavior on the football field, "Briere equals cat" is all we need to say to each other.

On Sunday night, the phrase had a 4th-quarter revival with the play of Mark Sanchez. Twice he dropped to the ground to avoid a QH (Q4, 13:31 and Q4, 9:51). The first time, Collinsworth chortled about it briefly, the 2nd time, he mercifully said nothing. I’m more interested in what it says about the Ravens defense that had not rattled a quarterback so badly in several years.

For the game, Sanchez was knocked down (QH) 11 times including the 2 sacks. As in the St. Louis game, the first half was all about numbers. Even when the Ravens did back off into more 4-man rushes in the 2nd half, Sanchez was unable to find his composure.

The Ravens had 56 snaps defensively with no spikes, kneels or other noncompetitive plays:

Overall:

Versus the Run: 19 plays, 38 yards, 2.0 YPC
Versus the Pass: 37 plays, 112 yards, 3.0 YPP
Overall: 56 plays, 150 yards, 2.7 YPPA

By number of defensive backs:

3 DBs: None, which is always a good sign.
4 DBs: 24 plays, 63 yards, 2.6 YPPA, 1 sack, 2 TO
5 DBs: 30/87, 2.9 YPPA, 1 sacks, 2 TO
6 DBs: 2/0

By number of pass rushers:

3: None
4: 15/15, 1.0 YPP, 1 sack, 1 TO
5: 13/75, 5.8 YPP, 1 sack, 2 TO
6: 7/22, 3.1 YPP
7: 1/0

Individual Notes:

• The Jets converted 7 first downs, 1 more than the franchise low from last year’s game against the Ravens. In those 2 games combined, the Jets ran just 99 offensive plays.

• I like to keep a link to a cross section of online bookies to gauge public perception of the game. Late in the afternoon, the line on the game, which had consistently been Ravens -3.5 changed to Ravens -5.5. That’s a big late shift and is most typically indicative of breaking injury news. I anxiously awaited the Ravens inactives to see if some combination of Grubbs, Carr, and Evans (I had heard he’d been ruled out earlier) would be active. When those 3 were inactives, it was clear Mangold was going to be sitting.

• Ryan tried some things to fix the Jets’ offensive line woes. After the third series, he removed center Colin Baxter, moved Slauson from left guard to center, and inserted Vlad Ducasse at LG. Vlad’s appearance lasted 12 plays during which he had a false start and failed to attempt 2 blocks (Q2, 8:21 vs Ngata on his sack/FF and Q2, 7:33 on Ayanbadejo’s QH). Baxter then returned at center, but the Ravens continued to get free runs at Sanchez by stunt, delay, and missed blocking assignment.

Ray Lewis was credited with just 5 tackles, but had his best game of the season. As a sidebar, many of you probably know that the term "coaches review" is equivalent to "not comparable" (some would say "artificially inflated") when associated with tackle totals. The consistently applied and comparable tackle totals originate with the credit given in the Gamebook. By coaches review, Ray used to have many more credited tackles, but last night I thought Ray had tackles on consecutive plays (beginning Q3, 7:49) where he went uncredited in the Gamebook. On the first he took down Greene, but the tackle was credited to Pollard and Webb. On the second he pushed Greene out of bounds although JJ chased him there.

• In coverage, Lewis blanketed Dustin Keller, arguably the Jets best offensive weapon prior to Sunday, with a combination of position (Q4, 13:31 was in position for INT on low throw), hits (Q2, 2:30 stripped the ball loose), and fear (Q4, 9:23, Keller heard footsteps and dropped the pass). Keller was targeted 8 times with just 2 completions for 12 yards (9 came on a play where Ray registered the QH--Q2, 11:09).

• Ray twice knocked down Sanchez as a free runner (Q2, 11:09 and Q2, 2:23) and has become a more potent force with the frenzied pass rush the Ravens have created in their wins this season. Lewis has been able to effectively pick an opportunity as a delayed pass rusher to take advantage of the havoc in front of him. Ray forced another fumble (Q2, 3:32) from Greene which the Ravens did not recover and was negated by a holding penalty on Slauson.

• A play that will stick in my mind is the pursuit of LT to the sideline from Ngata and Lewis. Those 2 were even for a good while and Tomlinson was ultimately unable to turn the corner on Lewis.

Star-divide

• One of the big questions coming into the game was how the Ravens would handle the Jets’ 3 and 4-receiver looks. The Ravens initially played both a 3-safety nickel (Pollard/Zibby/Reed/Williams/Webb, 7 snaps) and a 3-corner nickel (Gorrer for Zibby, 3 snaps) before Zbikowski was lost midway through Q2 (Zibby also played 2 dime snaps with Gorrer).

• Gorrer’s coverage was terrific with his highlight example (Q4, 4:42) coming on a throw deep right for Holmes. While not credited, he assisted on the tackle of Mason to force the Jets to punt (Q3, 12:08) by laying his shoulder into Derrick’s midsection. He also stripped Holmes of the ball for a PD (Q4, 4:56). Sanchez did not complete a single pass to Gorrer’s assignment despite throwing 22 passes while he was in the game. His assignment was targeted just 3 times.

• Gorrer’s ascension has been remarkable. In the preseason, he was outplayed by 5th-round pick Chykie Brown and dropped an interception in the final game to seal his trip to the practice squad. Since then, he spent the first week on the practice squad, was signed and activated prior to the Titans game when he played special teams (Brown was inactive). Versus the Rams, he played his first 3 snaps on the final series while Chykie was employed only on special teams. On Sunday, the Ravens entered the game with just 7 active defensive backs including both Gorrer and Brown. Gorrer played 5 snaps even before Zbikowski was lost to injury, but he would finish with 25 and has earned additional playing time. Were it not for the discounting from an outing against a beaten quarterback, it would be interesting to see how the Ravens would arrange their depth chart with all of the current corners on the roster healthy.

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People who don’t understand football (raven, shadow) just need to read these and take it in. Great, great work as always.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 4, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Where’s the “how flaccenstein” almost threw the game away stats.

by raven on Oct 4, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

sober up, kid…you’re embarrassing yourself

by Evan Skev on Oct 4, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

GREAT job

rayray seems to be getting sideline to sideline more quickly than last season

by Evan Skev on Oct 4, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

not targeting Gorrer was kind of insane by the Jets. The Jets have 3 good WRs, which means that they should always be able to get one against Gorrer.

My guess for CB depth chart.

1CB : Lardarius Webb
2CB : Jimmy Smith
Nickel : Chris Carr
Dimeback/Primary backup : Cary Williams (where Chris Carr would still be Nickel if one of the 1st two got hurt)
5th CB : Danny Gorrer

by math_geek on Oct 4, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I would think this will be the starting lineup come week 12 or so. However, Cary has done an adequate job so far that warrants him a starting role IF Jimmy is back agaisnt Houston.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 5, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with Cary continuing to start until the coaching staff believes Jimmy is ready. It will, however, be a minor disaster if Jimmy doesn’t get ready soon (not so much for the team, but for what it says about Jimmy Smith the draft pick).

by math_geek on Oct 5, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s still a rookie with zero game experience… What if he can’t go next week? It says nothing about him

by Evan Skev on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jimmy will probably ease back in

 at the nickel position, at least at first.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 5, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would note that my comment started with … “I have no problem with Cary continuing to start until the coaching staff believes Jimmy is ready.”

by math_geek on Oct 5, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

followed by:

“It will, however, be a minor disaster if Jimmy doesn’t get ready soon (not so much for the team, but for what it says about Jimmy Smith the draft pick).”

feel free to clarify if you feel it’s necessary

by Evan Skev on Oct 5, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

“soon” and “next week” are not the same thing. A rookie getting injured and not being able to play for the rest of the season is a minor disaster. A player taken in the first round that can’t play their way into a starting rotation where the player he’s competing against (Cary Williams) is not that good is also a minor disaster. Nowhere, did I suggest that Smith should start next week. In fact, I said the exact opposite.

by math_geek on Oct 5, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

not saying that… it just sounds like you’re saying if this kid can’t play due to injury, it’s a disaster.. and that’s not fair. i’ll be the first to say when a player doesn’t have talent or heart but jimmy smith has shown that he is a beast and that he has no fear…

i think we just misunderstood each other

by Evan Skev on Oct 5, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet if Jimmy Smith had an injury bad enough to knock him out for the season, that he’d consider it a disaster for himself. I’m not saying that a high ankle sprain reflects on a player’s worthiness, and I’m thrilled about Jimmy’s prospects.

We were all high on Sergio Kindle’s prospects when he was drafted, wasn’t his injury a disaster?

by math_geek on Oct 5, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i may have misunderstood your original comment

by Evan Skev on Oct 6, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Cary has lost his starting job. Isn’t he still lining up against the other team’s #1? Lardarius has been looking very good, but I will still say, in my opinion, if we want to play press man-to-man, the starting CBs need to be Cary and Jimmy.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 5, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not clear that Cary goes up against the other team’s number one. Cary had Mason, Burress and Holmes in coverage on Sunday, and I know Webb had Holmes and Mason in coverage at times, I would think Holmes would be their number one. I suspect each corner gets a side of the field, and the Titans put Britt on Williams because they thought it was a better matchup.

by math_geek on Oct 5, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Danny Gorrer

Was on Holmes at times.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 5, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams was on Britt for most of the first half vs. the Titans by the Ravens choice. The notable exception was his 4-yard TD catch where Foxworth lined up against him. Since then, the Ravens have shifted to Williams full-time at RCB and Webb at LCB when the Ravens do not have the nickel on.

by Filmstudy on Oct 5, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Ravens have shifted to Williams full-time at RCB and Webb at LCB when the Ravens do not have the nickel on.

Did we do this for our 2000 Defense with McAlister and Starks?

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Oct 6, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

McAlister/Starks

I didn’t record their position when I scored that season.

My memories are all of Starks at LCB and McAlister at RCB, but I would not trust that. They may have switched around for Jimmy Smith, or David Boston, for example.

by Filmstudy on Oct 6, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not clear that Cary goes up against the other team’s number one

Cary is indeed the ravens number one cornerback right now .he was assigned to cover Burgess because of Burgess height and Webb was assigned to cover Holmes because of holmes being a deep threat

Titans put Britt on Williams because they thought it was a better matchup.

thats not true at all Britt was on Williams because Williams was the number one cornerback and the titans were moving Britt around

What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes

yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz

by jazz20 on Oct 7, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gregg Easterbrook rips Mark Sanchez for not getting up to try to tackle Jameel McClain after the first fumble.

by math_geek on Oct 4, 2011 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Then he should have ripped Tom Brady

for not trying to stop that pick-six in the Bills game when he held up rather than make contact near the goal line.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 5, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Besides

There’s a whole slew of things he can rip Sanchez for in that game.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 5, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only pointing it out in conjunction with what FilmStudy had to say about Sanchez at the end of the game.

by math_geek on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mangold worth 2 points

Great stuff Film. That tidbit on the point spread change was by itself priceless.

I would hazard a guess that a large portion of the bets came out of NY and those laying the bets understand the game quite a bit more than the average fan. This reinforces the point that causal fans tend to undervalue O-line. Oz’s moves in preseason (getting McKinnie & Gurode) have been and will continue to be the key to the team’s success this year. This is why I firmly believe our offseason priority #2 needs to be getting Grubbs signed.

Since you have analyzed Grubbs over the years, I would appreciate your thoughts on Grubbs’ value to the team and whether he ranks as a top-tier, middle-tier (or worse) as a LG.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Win the trenches

win the game. Simple.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 5, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re Grubbs and the Spread

The Ravens have had 3 games in the post-Grubbs era. By letter, I’d grade them as:

Ten: Levoir = F
StL: Gurode = D
NYJ: Gurode = F (I’ll post the details tomorrow or late tonight, but it’s reviewed and scored)

So, yeah, I’d say the Ravens miss Grubbs tremendously.

Grubbs has improved each season, particularly as a run blocker (where he was awful in his rookie year) and was on the verge of making a Pro Bowl. That’s in part a function of the dearth of talent at guard in the AFC and his own endurance and consistency. He was the 1st alternate last year, which I thought was fair. Sadly for Grubbs, the return of Yanda to RG and his injury are going to greatly reduce any Pro Bowl hopes.

by Filmstudy on Oct 5, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The subject came up

relative to the importance of re-signing Grubbs this offseason. Just shows there really isn’t an alternative waiting in the wings. Justin Boren showed some promise, but I wouldn’t bet Joe’s survival on him being ready.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 5, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there anyway Ozzie doesn’t know that we need Grubbs badly?

During a radio interview yesterday, he mentioned all the guys that needed to be resigned and left Grubbs out. The host had to remind him of Grubbs and Oz was like ‘Oh yea… yea Grubbs too." I hoping it was just a senior moment, but it didn’t sound like the most sincere comment ever.

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Oct 6, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coachspeak

If you simply watch Gurode only through just the offensive plays on Shortcuts you’d see he’s getting beaten a lot.

I think he’s likely to improve from where he is now, but I don’t see any way he’ll be Grubbs this season.

For next season, he’s in the pool of available talent to be signed as the Ravens next center.

by Filmstudy on Oct 6, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you were Ozzie

What would your priority be? Re-signing Gurode at center or Grubbs at RG? Or neither and go the Draft/FA route at both positions?

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft

I would expect the Ravens to draft 2 linemen in 2012.

—The first I hope can be a longer-term solution at left tackle who can replace McKinnie in 2013.
—The second should be an interior lineman to get younger at guard/center

Resource-wise, I think the Ravens may be forced to take a chance on replacing Grubbs with a draft pick. He’s been a very solid player, but if Chris Chester can get $20 million, Grubbs is going to get much more.

As to Gurode, he’s one of the options at center, but by no means a sure resign.

by Filmstudy on Oct 6, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

2012 Mock Drafts

I have seen a few mocks already linking the Ravens to a Center in Round 1. Since we will be picking last in the 1st round (grin) I don’t think it’s out of the question that we pick the best Guard or Center there since they usually don’t go much higher. And Oz has a knack for the best player at a position of need falling to us. I would agree we double-up (or Pick-3 even) on O-line. That’s probably the weakest depth position on the team.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Only Wrinkle

That I can see blowing up the best three O-Linemen theory, would be if an absolute stud ILB falls to us. I still think we are a little thin at ILB. This just in: Ray Lewis will not be playing forever…

"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."

For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind

by vlad755 on Oct 6, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed about MLB. I believe Ozzie hinted already that it will be a high priority in the draft and this next class has some studs in it. If we did win the Super Bowl Ray said he will retire, so MLB would also be high on the priority list.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Oct 6, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree ILB is a need

but I think OL is more important. No one will replace Ray-Ray in terms of what he brings to the team, which is more than ILB play. But in the grand scheme of things, I think ILB is less important than line play. A decent ILB should do fine cleaning up behind Cody and Ngata.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 7, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree line play is more important, but it will depend on the specific players that fall to us. a few of these MLB’s have some potential to be elite LB’s in the league and why not copy the thing that has made us so successful all the years? At our pick if we go OL we probably will get a project LT or a G, but there are usually quality G in free agency every year and aren’t too hard to find. I would rather take a project LT in the 2nd or 3rd round and then go with an elite MLB prospect if one drops to us. Like I said though it will all depend on how the board plays out.

On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu

by AV23 on Oct 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Agreed.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."

For Pittsburgh fans, that's Pope, Twain, Rostand, Rogers and Megamind

by vlad755 on Oct 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I would certainly not suggest we reach for a G/C – hell even if I did we know Ozzie wouldn’t listen. If an elite ILB falls to us, so be it. I won’t be complaining one bit.

But all things being equal, if an elite G or C and an elite ILB are sitting there when we pick, I would take the G/C.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 7, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

bonus:

every big dude Ozzie picks is a big dude that won’t be going where he’s desperately needed…. shitsberg

by Evan Skev on Oct 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe that was Ozzie in full negotiation mode

I didn’t hear the interview, so I am curious who he did mention. Did Gurode/Birk make his list of who we needed to re-sign?

I keep thinking, since we need to sign both a Center and RG for next year and probably can’t afford Both Gurode and Grubbs (I am assuming Birk retires), do we re-sign the Center and draft the Guard? Or re-sign the Guard and draft the Center?

The only potential replacement currenly on the team may be Justin Boren who is on PS, but that’s a pretty big leap of faith. He is listed as a G/C but have read that G is probably his more natural position in the NFL.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/10/05/ravens-gm-ozzie-newsome/

Oz talks about the resigning’s at the very end of the interview. Around the 21 minute mark. He mentions Joe, Ray, Webb, and Cary. The host did kind of interupt him and ask about Grubbs. I probably read into the Grubbs comment too much when I initially heard it.

The whole interview is good too.

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Oct 6, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he was mentioning Jameel McClain when the host brought up Grubbs. Interesting he said they have a couple of deals on the table right now. Gotta believe that would be Rice and Flacco.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m 6’5, enjoy walks on the Jersey shore and have a 49% completion rate. Pick up the phone give me a call.

by raven on Oct 5, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

you’re 5’7’’ 129# wear a thong & have a substance abuse problem…call AA

by Evan Skev on Oct 5, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

says the boy with the big red balloon.

by raven on Oct 6, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of defenses, this was a startling stat to me

“The top three defenses reside in the AFC North with Pittsburgh second and Baltimore third. Cleveland is ranked ninth.”
Guess who is first in defense in the entire NFL? Well, not much of a guess if you read the above even semi-carefully—Cincy!
See http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/10/03/bengals-ranked-first-in-total-defense/ for details.

Granted, their opposition hasn’t been too tough, but then neither has the Ravens’.

by Sam25 on Oct 5, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

They have a great front seven. Our OL is going to to have their hands full.

The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.

by El.Dude on Oct 6, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep - trench warfare

But I expect our O-line to only get better as the season progresses, so I think we win that battle.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

THIS.

. . . is the type of analysis real fans effin crave.

by robgoose on Oct 6, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Then you need to read Mike Preston

He knows everything there is about football. He’s even smarter than the coaches!

And analysis? He don’t need no stinkin’ analysis to tell you what’s what.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for all the kind comments, guys

I wasn’t even aware of this site a month ago, but you have a good community here.

There are a lot of ways I’d like to improve my systems and some are out of reach due to the time involved, but if there is something you think I should be counting, please fire away.

by Filmstudy on Oct 6, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am new to reading your analysis and always want more!

When you give the Defense report you break down what sets were used. Any way you can breakdown the Offensive sets too? And how many were kept in for pass protection?

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 6, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re Formation and Set/Chip Blockers

I keep the Ravens offensive sets grouped by WR/TE/RB and the set and chip blockers on each play as I define it. Based on the NFL’s formation rules, there are 18 possible combinations of the 5 eligible receivers outside the QB. The way I currently record it does not distinguish between a standard I formation and an offset I, for example.

I’ve thought about adding motion, but it’s more difficult to group.

I’ve written from time to time on the eligible receivers used to set/chip, but only at a high level. See the offensive column vs. Pittsburgh for some brief commentary. It’s in the archive in the link posted for the rest of this article. There is also a toolbox writeup there which badly needs an update. That explains lots of methods/rationale.

by Filmstudy on Oct 6, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you provide

is invaluable. I know it takes a lot of personal time on your part and we do appreciate your efforts. Thanks.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 7, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Echoing

And amplifying what Fan said.

Great job!

"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
"God's whiskers! Your face is as hideous as the demon's in my storybook!"
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today."
"It's big for a reason."

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by vlad755 on Oct 7, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to hear some analysis on the WRs. I’ve always felt that while Flacco misses the occasional open guy, that the WRs really just stop trying pretty quick and run horrid routes. I’d like to get some more analysis on that and see maybe how long it takes each WR to get open on average and if that is due to the playcall or the WR’s route running ability.

by Mstevens_Design on Oct 6, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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That’s a very interesting idea for a piece. You have a timing device with your Direct TV DVR that is accurate to .03 seconds, so it would be fun to time from snap to break and break to catch. Standard TV angles wouldn’t do it, but there is now talk about the NFL releasing the All-22 top and end zone views. The NFL fans who do what I do would kill for that.

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by Filmstudy on Oct 6, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its something that would really be beneficial for the Ravens. I’ve always felt that our WRs for what ever reason, just don’t put any effort into making a play, especially when Flacco is scrambling.

Its just odd that when you watch other teams play, there are times when guys are WIDE open or a WB scrambles around and finds a guy. Yet the very limited angles I get during the live games always show our guys jogging out their routes or just standing in 1 spot when they finish their routes instead of “sandlotting it” a bit and trying to get separation.

I’m curious to really see if this is the case with our guys or if its an extension of Cam’s play calling or Flacco’s vision that causes these issues. It would be nice to know who to yell :)

by Mstevens_Design on Oct 6, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m yelling at the same stuff from our receivers. Joe and them do need to work a lot better together on broken plays.

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by El.Dude on Oct 7, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that’s something they have been working on, and not to make excuses, but this is something that should get better with game experience. This is where the missed offseason is hurting us the most.

If you think about it, besides Ray Rice, Anquan Boldin now has the longest tenure of all the Ravens receivers (1 year). So without a full offseason, it really shouldn’t be a huge shock that getting everyone on the same page is taking awhile.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 7, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really isnt from this year alone

Its something I’ve always noticed and have noticed more over the past few years. Its those types of broken plays that can be the largest for an offense because you get a guy free and open.

I really don’t buy the offseason hurt anyone. All these players go out and train on their own and scrambling on a broken play as a WR is something you learn in high school, so it should be something they are familiar with.

by Mstevens_Design on Oct 7, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I won't go all Evan on you

I understand your opinion. I also agree that scrambling on broken plays is something you do in high school. But think about it for a second.

Do you really think these guys became stars in HS, went on to become stars in college and became the top micropercentage of athletes that make it to the NFL without being successful scrambling on broken plays? So why are they not being successful when Flacco scrambles, as you noted.

I will postulate that if receiver A has been a success in his HS/college career, and QB1 has been likewise successful, then the reason they are not being successful together at this moment is due to lack of experience working together. vs. receivers not putting “any effort into making a play”. Or as Flacco said:

“For the most part we did a good job staying on the same page. But we were a little out of order there in the second and third quarter when it came to getting lined up and making sure everybody knows what they’re doing 100 percent.”

If everyone is not on the same page reading the D when they line up, I think it is fair to extrapolate that it is even more difficult to get on the same page when a play breaks down. This is where experience working together matters – no amount of “training on their own” can replicate that.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Oct 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the mention

by Evan Skev on Oct 7, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But like I mentioned this is specific between Flacco and Boldin or Flacco and any of our current guys. The same thing could have been said with him and Mason, with any of our QBs and WR combos.

Maybe its the coaching. Since we’ve always had offensive “masterminds”, maybe they want the play to work the way its supposed to or not at all.

I don’t pretend to know why this is happening, but its happened for more than just this year and has been a irritation of mine for years now. I can understand where the guys not being on the same page can hurt things a bit in terms of nailing a proper route, blitz pickup or hot reads, but scrambling around is just that… scrambling around. There is no real gameplan for when a play breaks down other than finding an open area and coming back to the QB so he doesn’t have to wind up to throw it so far. Again given the limited views I get on TV, I frequently see the WRs just sitting at the end of their routes when they get done and not making any movement.

So my comment about the High School thing is more about the basics of the position. When a play breaks down, you scramble as a WR and find an open area. You see this happen with Rice a lot of the time when he has been blanketed in coverage, yet you don’t see it from other WRs dating back years now. I’m not saying that these guys aren’t talented, but maybe they give up on a play for whatever reason when things can turn into a large gain just by moving around a bit.

Hence why I am curious to see who is really at fault. Are the WRs not trying to get open, is the QB not seeing a wide open guy, or what is the case behind it.

by Mstevens_Design on Oct 7, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We cannot even explain how much we appreciate the work you put into these posts, they are incredible and really help people understand the logistics of this sport.

You keep churning these out, we will continue to break them down as they should be.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

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by Mr MaLoR on Oct 7, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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On Ed Reed:
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by AV23 on Oct 7, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Filmstudy – Could you keep track of Flacco passing when the OL is runblocking and there is no playaction fake? (The obvious times Flacco audibles to a pass on a run play without telling his OL and RB)

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by El.Dude on Oct 7, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

your 110% correct. only rice seems to think about coming back to joe.

by raven on Oct 6, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

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