Ravens Embarrassed On National TV
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 25, 2011 12:13 AM EDT
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The Baltimore Ravens have no one but themselves to blame for their embarrassing 12-7 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars on Monday Night Football in a game that saw them take until well into the second half before they could even muster their initial first down of the game. For a team that felt it belonged among the league's best and was considered the third best in most NFL Power Rankings, this loss on national TV did nothing to earn the team any respect and just continues to regurgitate the lack of offense that has been as much of the team's reputation as it's powerful defense has been.
Despite the Ravens ineptitude for most of the game, they still had a chance after finally scoring late in the game, yet an inexplicable onsides kick with more than enough time to hold the Jaguars and get the ball back sealed their doom. when Baltimore finally got one more chance, they needed a TD instead of a FG and QB Joe Flacco threw an interception in crunch time, ending any chance at pulling out a win
At 4-2, the Ravens fall into a second place tie with the Cincinnati Bengals, a game behind the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC North. With a home game against the Arizona Cardinals next week, the Ravens then head to Pittsburgh for a showdown to gain control of the division, which seemed to be firmly in the Ravens control prior to tonight's game. Now, they must head home to pick up the pieces and wonder what they have to do to get a consistent game out of the offense.
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Again good luck
You’ll beat Arizona and get back on track, I still see you as the favorites in the North
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
Week 7 no biggie
Brady will assrape the pitt ladies this Sunday. Can’t wait to jump into their game thread and get banned
Go Baltimore
by Evan Skev on Oct 25, 2011 12:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's going to be funny to see you trolling us after you lose to the Cards
/jk
//Probably
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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 25, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be looking forward to banning you
It will be very satisfying.
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by John Stephens on Oct 25, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You'll have to beat me
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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sure alot of ravens fans are going to going for Cam Cameron neck for his play calling as usual
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
Well, they kinda have a point
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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 25, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont know because I wasnt actrally there at the game to see for a fact
that play calling was a problem and I dont think any body can really say it was cam playing unless they was actrally at the game. You cant see every thing from the television but i could be wrong
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
They just had no rhythm until the Jags started to back off and go into their clock-eating defense
However, I think Flacco might want to use the no huddle a bit more in the future. It seemed less ineffective than everything else he tried.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
you right and Flacco has the ability to audible so even if Cam is calling a play it still Flacco job to look at the defense and adjust to what the defense is showing him
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
Can't no huddle when you've only had the ball for ~10 mins in the first half.
That D was gassed as it was.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And when it takes you 30 seconds to get to the line when you actually DO no-huddle.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t see how you have to be at the game to judge back play calling – you can still see what play was called on television and you know whether it was a bad or a good call.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, really
We’ve seen for 3+ years what a shitty play caller Cam is, but he keeps sticking around somehow.
It’s the pefect example of nauseam.
by purpleonblack86 on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
"He's been fired" would be nice...
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Harbaugh taking over the offense is scary
although anyone is an improvement over Cam, we only get 3 timeouts, Harbs would be getting penalized for calling 10 per half
Scary was the number of first downs we had in the first half.
Harbs would likely let the players run the offense, which at this point doesn’t sound half bad…
anyone besides Cam is an improvement
Troy polamalu could call our plays, and deliberately try to fuck us up…and we’d still be better off.
by YeahDonnie on Oct 25, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is anyone else questioning that 8 or so yard curl route where Joe threw the pick?
by purpleonblack86 on Oct 25, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
Yes
Even if it’s caught the receiver gets tackled in the middle of the field and the clock starts running.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 25, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell 20 seconds of him trying to get the play from the sidelines. Apparently we don’t believe in headsets for actually calling plays, but listening the the Eurythmics on an iPod.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Does it matter?
Nothing’s going to happen if your O-Line plays like that. If don’t see how we beat Pittsburgh without Grubbs.
Cam
Flacco can only work with what he’s given.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Miller time! You takin the cards next weekend? One month vacation?
by Evan Skev on Oct 25, 2011 12:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tough Loss
Hate it for you Guys, Love it for us, but fear not…..Steelers just can’t seem to beat Tom Brady’s prissy ass so I’m sure week 9 Will be a must win situation for us, and you guys will be on a rebound loss for us. Good luck next week against Pittsburgh West.
I'd almost rather you kick Brady's ass.
I think I’d settle for you guys breaking Brady, but they still win.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Worth it.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In fact, I volunteer to go through hell for one chance to take him out.
It’ll be worth the lifelong ban. I don’t want to go to Boston ever anyway.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
See you in 2 weeks
Good luck for the Cards
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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 25, 2011 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
Good game
well really not a good game i guess since well there was no offense. Stunned that our defense stopped y’alls offense. Goodluck in the AFC north, lord knows we’ll need it in the south.
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Funny you should say that raven. I work with a guy whose sister dated Hillis for most of last season. When he asked him what was the difference between the Ravens & Steelers defense this was his exact response:
“The Ravens are pussies compared to the Steelers”
Granted that’s just one man’s opinion, but he is a tough guy & he did play 4 games against those two teams last season. My coworker got to see him the wed after each of those games, & according to him Hillis was far more beat up after the Steelers games.
he is a tough guy
But strep throat is tougher. and a minor hamstring injury. and not getting a contract this offseason. and…..
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It was the 3rd game of the season before anyone knew who he was. The next game he went for an amazing…. wait for it… 2.9ypc average! Why don’t you go back to your own site and get some more comments on there before coming here and disrespecting your entire fan base.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What did he do the week before he played the Ravens? People knew who he was & how he played the position.
one year wonder
please sign him long term, any team being killed by bad contracts in our division is certainly helpful
Hey man
quotes from some guy’s sister’s crotch are always a good source.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
do you know anyone who has a gf who once dated the Loch Ness Monster
who was hanging out with Bigfoot one day when an alien came down to Earth and told Santa Claus Cam Cameron would be fired? I sure hope you do….
Joke all you want but that’s still the opinion of a actual player who faced both teams twice last year, & the eyewitness account of someone who saw the physical toll each game had on that player. I think Hillis’s opinion has far more merit than a fan of the Ravens or Steelers. You would be pounding your chests if he had said the Steelers were pussies compared to the Ravens.
I trust the guy I work with, besides the fact I’ve seen at least a dozen pics of him with his sister & Hillis. He’s a Browns fan he has no reason to make that shit up, sorry one NFL players opinion got your panties in a bunch. Look at the stat line for Hillis in the games against each team, not too hard to see why he feels that way.
Yep and you got 6 weeks of game tape on the guy, while we got 2. He got a chance to play a Ravens team that had no idea what to expect on the guy. He also got to play a Steelers team that had Hillis highlights all over SportsCenter and a lot more tape to study. Of course the Steelers looked better in that instance, but his opinion is moot given that all things arent equal in regards to that. Especially since the next time we played them, he had a 2.9 ypc average and we shut him down all game long.
Also that was last season. So far in points against your defense, you are sitting in 3rd in defense with a whopping 17.4 ppg against teams with a total record of 16-29 or in decimal form 0.355 (Only 2 teams have a winning record and lost to both of them… ie: Us and Houston). So again, worry about your own team looking like “pussies” this year before coming over here and starting something.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 26, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone should be worried about their team it’s you guys. We started off slow, have started a different O line every week, but we’re still consistently improving. In 1/3 of your games you have gotten embarrassed, & both times by teams with losing records, see how I can do the same thing with the Titans. We have a truly elite, championship caliber QB who can carry his team to the promised land, you have Joe Flaccid.
I thought the Titans were 3-1 when we played them. If you beat the 2000 Ravens in the first 5 weeks you beat a horrible team, but if you beat them down the stretch you beat a dominant team. When you play a team & how they are playing at that time is more valid than what their record might be weeks down the road.
We’ve given up garbage scores at ends of games, that skews the stats, as does the extra yardage given up in those situations, like the 80yds & 7 points the Ravens were given after being held to 56 yards & 0 points the rest of the game. Jax let you drive down the field & burn up the clock to help seal the win. Defensively our two teams are pretty close statistically, we have the edge is some areas, you have it in others, but none of that is going to change Peyton’s opinion of which defense is tougher.
His opinion is moot but yours is somehow valid by comparison, yeah, that makes sense. How many carries did you get against the Ravens & Steelers last year? Exactly. He was talking about toughness & the beating he took by each team in comparison. Just because you held him in check the 2nd time you played him doesn’t mean you hit harder, a shoestring tackle for a loss looks the same on the stat sheet as getting blown up or gang tackled for the same loss. The difference in physicality is what he pointed out & given that all things are equal, it’s his opinion that the Ravens are PUSSIES compared to the Steelers. Don’t like that, too bad, go to a Browns game & see if you can get him to change his mind.
I’m done with you, no point in talking to something who is so delusional that he thinks his opinion is more insightful than an NFL player’s who actually played 4 games against the 2 teams he compared.
4-2
Oh well, onto the next one. Back to Baltimore
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 25, 2011 12:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
good luck next week Malor
I’ll be looking forward for your next “ask BB” threads in other site.
"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
we are not a super bowl caliber team
i would give us a pass if this was our first egg, but we lost to Tennessee ugly too
by davver on Oct 25, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I kinda have to agree. Those 2 losses have the same things in common.
•Tight coverage by the DBs
•commitment to run the ball and to quick slant passes against zone coverage
•decent pass rush with 4 or 5 guys max
It seems like if you can play our WRs tight, you completely take the passing game out and the running game becomes useless shortly after that when they stack 8 in the box. Good defenses with good DBs will destroy us
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm much more disappointed by Malor's absence
than i am with the ravens performance
Flacco is not a leader
A team’s quarterback needs to be a leader. Flacco does not lead this offense. He simply follows whatever his coaches tell him to do. He doesn’t change plays when necessary, he doesn’t take control of the offense like he should. He wasn’t even leading the 2 minute drill—Cameron was. Flacco would run a play, then waste 15 seconds looking to the sideline to get the play call instead of rushing his team to the line and calling it himself.
Flacco is so afraid to be the one to make mistakes that it prevents him from being a leader. Leaders can’t be afraid to make mistakes. Leaders can’t be afraid, period.
by psu_all_day on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, cause he is did so much better in STL and is out of football because he wanted to be out of football. Bulger and Taylor arent the answer. Firing Cam and maybe demoting Oher is helpful though
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Flacco can't run the offense
We need a seasoned quarterback. Even a mediocre one would have won the game tonight. Flacco needed to play behind Bulger like Rodgers did with Favre. Flacco has learned nothing in three years.
Cam can’t run the offense either. Lets get rid of the guy that is easier to replace first and see where that takes us before we get rid of a possible franchise QB. Be willing to bet that if we can get a guy that knows what a quick slant is, Flacco immediately gets better
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Flacco. I really do
but I feel like he is too afraid to step up and take control of the offense. It feels like he doesn’t want to be the one to blame for a loss, so he lets his coaches make all the decisions for him.
by psu_all_day on Oct 25, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I answered you below…. I blame Cam for all of that and really think Flacco wants to take control, but isn’t allowed because Cam is trying to save his job.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
As George Carlin once pointed out – football is akin to the military. In the heat of battle, the guy who sees the way to take the objective doesn’t wait for someone to give him permission to be a hero. The guy waiting for permission is usually the coward at the back.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We had someone on the team last year we could have at least put in to play.
This is supposed to be a 53 man team like everyone here always tells me. It isn’t like we carry an extra offensive coordinator on the roster.
Does Bulger pay you for these ads
Or do you just take it out in trade?
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we did have someone on the roster last year. That same guy is no longer in football after other teams chose to go with rookies or trade 2 1st rounders for an old guy.
Taking Flacco out of a game destroys his confidence and destroys the rest of the skill player’s confidence in him. The same thing happened to Boller here (regardless of the type of player he is/was) and it was never the same. Guys didn’t put the same amount of effort into plays when he was in there. Unfortunately, this isn’t like baseball where a pitcher is lucky to play a half of a game.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Boller was thrown into the lion's den on shitty teams.
When we had a good team in 06 we brought in McNair and wouldn’t play Boller. That’s what caused his demise, not getting pulled from a game. The poor guy was shell shocked. Do you think Rodgers would be as good as he is if he didn’t learn for a couple of year backing up Favre. He’d be another shell shocked Boller or telegraphing Flacco.
Yeah, remember that one guy
I think his name was Peyton Manning…his team was really bad when we was a rookie, and they threw him in there from day 1. What ever happened to that guy? Didn’t stick around long, did he? Talent wins out, Boller didn’t have it, no matter what he had around him.
you are just incredible
every QB is the league is good except for Joe. Joe has had nearly identical talent to Boller, yet has made the playoffs every year. Did Boller ever play in a playoff game?
But up until we got McNair, we did pull Boller in favor of the hot hand and it helped destroy his confidence. Rodgers wasn’t nearly the player he is today, just a few years ago. Manning had horrible years, Brady has had horrible years.
We blame Flacco for that last INT, but lets face it… we shouldn’t have been in that situation. On top of that, it was a piss poor play call. While it wasnt a great throw and he stared down his WR on that play, it didnt matter 1 way or the other as no one else was open and a 4 man rush was getting closer every second.
You expect Flacco to rise above the Oline troubles and be able to put a ball in spots that are near impossible all on a regular basis. Just to let you know, no other QB is asked to do that. Brady has an Oline that gives him 10 seconds to find an open guy. Rodgers has WRs that are so wide open, they can walk 50 yards to the endzone. Flacco is one of the only QBs asked to perform up to those levels without any help in the 2 areas he needs help to perform like that. Add in the fact that Cam is mentally challenged as an OC and you have 3 things holding Flacco down. He is a better QB than what we see, but until something gets fixed around him, he and any other QB wouldn’t be able to perform any better.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is a better QB than what we see, but until something gets fixed around him, he and any other QB wouldn’t be able to perform any better.
I agree with this – it’s been the long standing, unaddressed problem with the Ravens. And nothing has been done to change it. But that does not absolve Flacco from involvement. It’s his career on the line and if he’s not in Biscotti’s office saying, “Look, you want me to be the franchise QB, then you’ve got get me a decent play caller”, then he can’t be absolved from how bad he plays because he’s scared to say anything.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That's like having the manager telling the pitcher what pitches to throw.
He either knows what to throw or he doesn’t. He sees the same game that the manager does. The same goes for a quarterback.
Completely different sports man. Only Peyton calls the plays and he’s given WAY too much power over that team. Brady gets the calls from the sidelines as does Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Unitas, Elway, Kosar, the 1st QB ever, etc.
They get the plays from the coaches and depending on the system, are able to make edits at the line (hot routes, etc). A pitcher doesn’t have a 350 lb guy deciding if he gets hit on every single pitch. He doesn’t get blamed if the catcher drops the ball when it hits him right in the mit. Completely different circumstances and sports.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I bet he is calling for Cam. Over the past few years a few players have been blaming Cam as much as they can in the press without being too out there about it. Mason was 1 of those guys and even Flacco has made some statements about how he isn’t super pleased with the direction of the offense in a few ways.
We don’t get to hear about all those conversations, but I bet he’s in someone’s ass tomorrow about Cam.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I really thought he'd be gone
when player after player after player made remarks to the media about how shitty Cam is, but somehow he’s still here.
another QB
would have magically made the receivers get open, the o line block, and the OC actually pay attention to the game while calling it? Wow, we should sign that guy.
Who do you suggest we put in?
No matter who our backup QB is, he’s Unitas to you. If Boller were here, you’d be screaming for him. Joe isn’t perfect, Joe isn’t Manning or Brees or Brady, but neither are every other QB in the league. Of course I’d like to have one of those guys, but then we wouldn’t be able to afford Ngata or Suggs or many other guys. We have a great defense, with a good young QB, and not to mention Ray Rice. 31 teams will be mad at the end of the year. Joe is a good QB, and wins much more than he loses. He has had solid numbers over his career, what more can you possible expect? We aren’t the Yankees, we can’t have every premier player at every position. Get a fucking clue.
It really isnt that either. The QB is the guy that gets the brunt of the criticism and in this case, its completely unwarranted. As you said, Flacco can’t block, catch and run along with call every play. Until we get the pieces around him, you can’t blame him for no one being open and getting drilled every play.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Not saying Flacco is without criticism
he had a bad game, not completely on him, but he deserves some blame too. But good god, I have to defend him if people are just gonna put everything on him every single time we lose a game.
Oh yeah, he deserves some criticism for tonight’s game, but every other aspect of the team failed pretty miserably as well and a lot of the things Flacco needs to be successful were absolutely horrible. You can’t rise above everything as a QB and I think that should diminish a large amount of the blame for Flacco.
Now if he was missing wide open guys or he had time to throw and he was just failing, then I’d be calling for his head. But when you have piss poor line play, piss poor WR play, piss poor play calling, and piss poor officiating, you can’t really do your job as a QB
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No
what do you mean? He needs to just shrug off 350 pound men barraging him within 2 seconds of the snap, then he needs to throw a ball through a defender’s hands into the waiting arms of a WR who was on a bad route, or else he’ll never be a good QB! Where’s Boller when we need him?
Haha! I figured it was, but you never know around here.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do you think we got rid of Mason
He could still get open on those 8 yard outs for Flacco. We wanted to improve the offense.
come on man…flacco can’t win a game that is placed squarely on his shoulders. if we struggle..the games over. he’s a down hill QB. EVERYTHING has to be perfect for him to succeed. id rather have Tebow making shit happen in games like this. after the 1st quarter we knew we were dead. flacco starts like he ends. same boring dude with MAYBE 1 good drive.
that is just completely false
everything about that statement is false. He has brought the team back multiple times, had countless good games, had a good season EVERY year he’s been in the NFL. I’ll admit, he’s not the best QB in the league…why do you think he has to be Aaron Rodgers or Manning? Why don’t you shit on Torrey Smith for not being Calvin Johnson, or Jarret Johnson for not being Lawrence Taylor?
Or Oher for being…. well Oher.
I’d have pulled his ass out after that second penalty he had. Reid would have been missing blocks all game and no one would have noticed the difference.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
say it man…flaccco sucks and can’t make anything happen unless the everything is perfect. i mean absolutely perfect.
How do you justify the past 3 years of his career?
he’s been pretty damn good without everything being perfect. I guarantee you are in love with Matt Ryan, when Joe has better numbers, more wins, and has actually won playoff games.
Ryan isn;t supported by a beastly D. flacco get it all. deep kick offs, strong D and he still can’t change his own pants.
Ryan has a much better offense
but I guess the defense and kicker matter way more….you’re right…they help Joe so much.
This game was beyond bad. He got schooled by a first day starter. Cam, harbs and flacco suck. this just doesn’t happen to playoff teams. NEVER would a serious contender have an O game like this. these guys have put up to horrid clunkers against shit teams.
got schooled?
Gabbert wasn’t exactly lighting it up. I will agree with you that this doesn’t happen to playoff teams. Coaching is an absolute joke, that’s the biggest issue. I am by no means calling Joe perfect either, he’s been below average this year, but he’s not nearly as bad as you are making him out to be. His track record in his career makes me believe he will turn it around, and there is more to it than meets the eye.
We have always had a top five defense
That’s why we get into the playoffs. The offense always rides the coattails of the defense
and we did when we had Boller
but you were just trying to say Boller was better than Flacco. It’s a team game. I wish we could have a pro bowler at every position, but there’s a pesky little thing called a salary cap to worry about. This team is built more on defense than offense, so are you gonna say it’s bad for the Colts defense to ride the coattails of their offense? Why don’t they have Asomugha and Ngata and Polamalu on their team? They could win so many more Super Bowls.
Their defense is based on rushing the passer
When Manning and the offense gets a lead other teams can’t run to catch up. That is why they win so many games.
yeah but if only they had Ray Lewis
and Patrick Willis and Revis and DeMarcus Ware, they’d be so much better, wtf is their problem? Dumbass Colts
apparently that's how you think
we can’t have that guy, sorry to tell you. Until Aaron Rodgers demands a trade to the Ravens, deal with having Flacco, who is a good QB, and a part of a good team.
It has nothing to do with wins/losses. Look at the stats. He’s in the top half of the NFL every year even with the crappiest WRs you could ask for and a mediocre Oline. The QBs ahead of him have better protection and/or better WRs
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000
No confidence in his abilities whatsoever. No reasonable ability to game plan and no ability to adjust the game plan as the contest progresses. Fire Cam on Tuesday. I second that emotion.
Remember a few weeks ago when Ravens fans were all over Steelers fans for these types of comments? This is exactly what I meant. Every team has these comments and posts.
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by John Stephens on Oct 25, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I like it better
when they’re wearing their ‘true fan’ masks.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We are now 4-2, 1-0 in the division, with two road losses
All is not lost obviously, but is becoming clear we need Grubbs and Evans to be a Super Bowl caliber team. In order to be consistent during the season, we at least need Grubbs back, our O-line is atrocious and ruins the rhythm for the rest of the game.
Our defense is practically 100% healthy with the return of Jimmy Smith and Carr on the way and are playing way too well for us to lose these types of games. This loss sucks, but it is not detrimental to the season, just to our pride and is plain embarrassing. Let’s just get healthy and go from there. Go Ravens
by fedfan64 on Oct 25, 2011 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS
We need Grubbs back bad. I can’t blame Gurode…he is NOT a Guard. he’s playing out of position out of sheer necessity, but that’s not his position. He shouldn’t be playing there…but we have nobody else
the only knock on this team that I have is that Flacco is not a leader, as I stated above. He doesn’t lead this offense the way a quarterback should.
by psu_all_day on Oct 25, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s allowed to lead the offense to be honest. You saw the “No Huddle” where plays were coming from the sidelines instead of the headset and things were going slow. Even those “audibles” Cam said Flacco could call are probably scripted to be something that isnt dangerous.
I really think that in an effort to save his job, Cam forces Flacco into “safe” plays. Then he gets paranoid and decides that for 1 game, he needs to bomb every pass. The inconsistency there leads me to believe that Cam is wishy washy on what he wants to do
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Cam has no goddamn clue about what he wants to do
But then again, he says that Flacco is allowed to audible…but Flacco NEVER audibles. I think Flacco is too afraid to change plays because he doesn’t want to be the guy who makes a mistake
by psu_all_day on Oct 25, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we don’t know if Flacco is actually audibling or not. Granted, no one moves or shuffles around when they get to the line, but that also plays into my theory that these “audibles” are just little tweaks to routes instead of changing it from a short pass to a bomb or vice versa.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Imo, Flacco has almost never audible in the classic sense. Granted, you don’t have to jump around like a monkey like Peyton to call an audible, but when nothing visibly changes at the line, then I think it’s a pretty good chance that no audible has been called.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
audibles are always obvious
I can’t remember Flacco calling one once this season
by psu_all_day on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
no they aren't
sometimes it’s just a verbal cue to the players, and some audibles are even silent.
if we are saying that Flacco needs to audible constantly, that says something about how shitty the original play call was.
Lets face it, which one is more likely?
1) A young QB with tremendous talent is worries about losing his job and plays conservative in order to not get in trouble
2) A coach that is routinely called out by fans and is on the hot seat as an OC, after getting fired as a HC for his 1-15 season is looking to save his job by being as conservative as possible and trying to limit the mistakes that can happen.
I’d say Cam is worried about being here even week to week at this point.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I bet Cam is here long after Flacco if it comes to one or the other.
Flacco didn’t give Harbs his first job – Cam did.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Harbs can be pretty cruel when it comes to that stuff. Its fairly easy to replace an OC, its hard to find a QB that can be accurate, can stay calm under pressure, and has the arm to throw 65 yards down the field. Those guys are typically 1 in a million type of guys.
Guys like Cam are about 1 in 1. Hell, even a crippled kid does a better job of playcalling than Cam.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Harbs can be pretty cruel when it comes to that stuff.
What evidence is that for that? Who has Harbaugh fired? Cam wanted Zorn gone. Cam wanted Saunders gone.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
His dog house. Ellerbe, McCallister, etc. He has a tendency to let his emotions get the better of him in certain situations. We also have a tendency to cut beloved players from the team because they just aren’t viable for what they make.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s every team – as far as getting rid of “beloved” players. It’s not a new thing. The Baltimore Colts cut John Unitas. That’s the business. Doesn’t give Harbs and cred for being “cruel” with his firings. And the doghouse is a different thing. Can’t say i remember a lot of guys who were benched for a game as punishment as happens regularly with the Giants and Skins and etc. etc.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I don’t blame the team for that. But they have shown the ability to get rid of even the most beloved guys because it makes sense. Cam is absolutely no exception. With that being said, I think he’s done here unless we immediately get better and stay consistent on that.
If he continues to be wishy washy about his playcalling and being very lazy in terms of being a coach, I think he’s out of football for quite a long time.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that’s possible, but I’d bet it’s over Harbs’ objections. It will come from Biscotti because he will understand the marketing value (or loss thereof) of keeping Cam.
I mean, how dumb are we – this is a guy who’s most recent resume entry was a 1-15 season and we hired him to help us “win”?
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The move should have been made in the offseason
this past offseason or the one before. He’s been terrible for a very long time, a move needs to be made, might as well do it now.
Thats my point. Cam has had his strikes in his career and not a whole lot of homeruns. Hell Norv Turner has kept the same offense in SD…. NORV “Down Syndrome” TURNER!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So, do you guys miss Zorn?
This is an honest question. I thought when Zorn was QB coach Flacco had career best statistics.
yep
Billick dropped him at the snap of a finger. Good head coaches know when it’s time for a change. Hopefully Harbs knows that it’s time for Cameron to go
And while Billick did get rid of him – it took far longer than it should have.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
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And as a result of public outcry, as I remember it.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It’ll happen just because the fans will rave about it until it happens. As much as this FO does its own thing, the fans are calling for Cam’s head first and foremost. He’ll be out just because it will appeal to the wallets.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Flacco is so clutch
It’s all Cam’s fault… obviously
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by RoethlisCrosby on Oct 25, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I honestly feel like if any one of you guys wasnt at the staduim tonight then you can''t fully blame cam for the play calling.
I dont see how any one can say a play call is wrong when you can’t see the full play from the televison but I guess Cam has to be a scape goat for all the problems because our players are so perfect on offense.
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
by jazz20 on Oct 25, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
have you ever been to a game?
I see way more on TV and the subsequent replays than I ever do at M & T, I don’t get why you keep saying this.
I see way more on TV and the subsequent replays than I ever do at M & T, I don’t get why you keep saying this.
so you telling me that you can see every thing from your television from to the point you know which players are open and etc
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
have you ever been to a game
unless you’re front row, and can also see in multiple places at once, you’re missing a lot. TV gives you a much better view, plus replays.
I never been to the ravens stadium but i have never seen a tv that gives you the entire view of the field/ play from a football game.
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
You don't need it!
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
and like I said, jazz go to a game and see how much you can concentrate on. TV is much better for watching and analyzing a game.
running on 2nd and 10 always works well. it puts crappo in an obvious 3rd pass down and he blows under pressure.
Maybe there is a good reason he couldn't get on the field at Pitt
And had to go to the Pop Warner league to become a starter
Your point doesn’t make sense. The play – at least the functional part of the play – is what is shown on TV. But you still don’t need to see every route etc. to know that calling a 40 yard bomb on 3rd and 2 is the wrong call. You just need a functional brain and an understanding of football.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Your point doesn’t make sense. The play – at least the functional part of the play – is what is shown on TV. But you still don’t need to see every route etc. to know that calling a 40 yard bomb on 3rd and 2 is the wrong call. You just need a functional brain and an understanding of football.
so you telling me if im sitting at a televison screen I honestly can give full analysis of a play call better than If I was actrally at the stadium. Im sure you can come up with a few things from the television because I have before but to actrally say you can come up with a full analysis of a play call for the entire game from the tv seems questionable to me.
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
you can’t come up with a full analysis of a play sitting in the stands either. TV gives a much better view. I can clearly see that we never, EVER run slants. I can clearly see that WRs never go over the middle, I can clearly see that Ray Rice was given the ball only 8 times when he is our best player on offense. I won’t even go on….
We’re not talking about analyzing a play after the fact. We’re talking about knowing what kind of play to call in a given situation in the first place. And being at the stadium isn’t going to change whether you know what to do or not.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Suggs crying again
Shit talk champion of the world
He has a point about play calling
If I’m on that defense and my best offensive player only gets 8 carries in the running game, I have a problem with that
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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 25, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
he does
i know, he wasn’t crying, i was just “playing along”
or “Maloring” this board
where did you see what suggs said
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
he was basically calling out the playcalling
saying Rice is a good guy, and he needs to be fed the ball more
our fan base feels the same
about Arians. Even when we win, he still held us back from winning by more
I swear that Cam is really just blind and he has bumps all over that spreadsheet of his to tell what play it is, but he screwed it up and they all say the wrong things. That is the only excuse for why you’d choose to continue running up the middle when you’ve gained a total of 18 yards on it all game.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Its just been the longest running April Fools joke ever.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s worse is, they’ve switched it for the defense. That’s why Flacco always looks so puzzled – Cam keeps screaming for a cover 2/safety blitz and Flacco doesn’t know if the safety is RIce or Leach…
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares who's to blame?
Our fans do this too, i don’t get it. It’s easy to sit back with 20/20 and criticize, the fact remains, someone has work to do, on your side, and ours
But the problem is
when the same issues keep coming up and the people who have “work to do” are the ones fucking it up and never are held accountable.
+ 1million!
At some point, someone needs to get demoted or fired because the same exact problems have come up year after year after year. Cam has gotten everything he wanted the past few seasons and we arent seeing any real improvement based on what he has been given. Its time to move past the Cam era and into the monkey feces era
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for that! At least it would be less predictable.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to put a new quarterback in for a quarter
It’s hard to replace an offensive coordinator in the middle of a game
Not really. “Hey Cam. Can I borrow that headset and your name badge for a second?” Done and done!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Before the game, during the game, after the game. Can you really say that shooting Cam in the head at half-time and putting in Cletus the slack jawed yokel locker room attendant would have made this game come out worse than it did?
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, he throws a pick 6. Now the game is completely out of reach.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
shooting Cam in the head at half-time
Has that been an option so far? Cause I can go buy a gun….
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that may be the only way Jazz’s “you have to be in the stadium” argument works… LOL
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i may not be at the stadium but I do know it aint nothing like the real thing and I feel like you can't honestly say you are able to see the whole field from your televison.
In the the titans game alot of ravens fans were saying that none of the wideouts were open but if you was actrally at the stadium like some raven fans/ravens sports writer were then you know that torrey smith was getting open( i got that infromation from nfl.com and baltimoresun.com)
I beleive there should had been some better adjustments by cam but that o-line, wideouts dropping passes, players fumbling, flacco throwing a interception, and etc did not make things better.
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
you are able to see the whole field from your televison.
I’ve been to a few games and you can’t see any detail on the field either Jazz. You can tell that someone missed a tackle, but unless it happened right in front of you and you are up front, you can’t tell who it was. You can’t even tell if the guy is black or white for that matter.
In terms of people getting open, that is something we will never know. Even a guy that looks like he is open may just be bait for a pick. We don’t watch film to see tendencies and we can’t see stuff like that in any way. A lot of fans assume that if a guy has 2 yards buffer around him, he should be able to complete the pass when that isn’t always accurate.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
This is false.
I can see missed tackles, pick out who they are, and see their skin color. I’d argue that you can see a little to a lot more than on your TV, depending on your ‘skill’ at watching a game in person. You often get a much better view of the ‘whole’ play, or at least as much of it as you can see.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You get a zoomed out version at the game, but its a lot harder to pick out the detail of player number, etc. unless you are watching the screens. And if you are at the stadium watching the screen, you probably should just head home already.
TV has the issue of being zoomed in around the ball. If the QB has it, you watch the Oline and never see what the WRs are doing unless you catch a good angle on a replay. But the tradeoff is that you can tell at any given moment what is going on with the play and the individual battles involved in each play.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I sit in the upper deck,
and I have never had a problem picking out numbers. I only watch the screen for replays, or if some asshole decides to walk up/down the aisle mid-play.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Execution is one thing (dropped passes etc.). But if the play that is called is entirely wrong for the situation, then the best execution in the world will not make the play work. And seeing the entire field is not necessary to know whether a play will or will not work in a given situation. A blind man who knows enough about situational play calling in football can make a right call given the situation at hand.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true. A run on 4th and 15 probably isn’t going to work for you and by calling that, you are a moron.
Again, with Cam it almost seems like he tries too hard to “outsmart” teams and instead just outsmarts himself.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell, call a fan down from the stands and ask him “Run or Pass?” then let Joe call the play at that point. Or we can always go with that monkey feces thing. I’m sure we can get the Zoo to make an emergency delivery for us in the middle of a game.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
They did that.
Pats playoff game. Result? 83-yd TD.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the music they are playing
for the HIghlights on NFL live is hilarious
they are making this game to be like a circus
You guys got hosed on play calling
But Flacco just reafirmed my belief that is just average, not an elite QB. Hopefully you guys will draft his replacement this yr.
every QB who has ever been on the Ravens bench has been a future Hall of Famer
where is Troy Smith right now? Or Bulger? How about Boller? You scream that all of those guys are better than Flacco, but how come every single person in football refuses to give them a job?
Unless you put them in the game you will never know
Didn’t washed up Jim Plunket win two super bowls with the Raiders. Who would have though bringing in an old quarterback who was no better than Bulger would win two super bowls for the Raiders.
You love to cherry pick random people from decades ago to prove your non-existent points
Troy Smith has yet to go on to win 2 Super Bowls, Marc Bulger is unemployed, Boller is Boller, and Tyrod Taylor is not, and will never be better than Joe Flacco.
Tyrod Taylor is Troy Smith v.2, so one pertains to the other.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, does he tend to cry when he doesn’t complete a pass? Cause Frannie was pretty damn good at that. He made Brady look manly.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
How many of those did he win?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no brag? huh?
excuses, please don’t confuse “fact” “excuse” and “opinion” they are different things.
you are using two of the three, fact is the one you left out
Just wait
Joe will have to come out of a game at some point, and you will see. God forbid Joe misses extended time. If Tyrod isn’t the next Steve Young, will you be screaming for Hunter Cantwell, or finally admit Joe is our best QB?
They wouldn't take him out in the playoffs against the Colts
And he was single handedly losing the game for us
Yeah, cause Joe throws the ball up in the air and catches it himself all while blocking for himself.
I’m telling you… the more Joe has to be in this offense with Cam, the more you’ll see him do all that stuff. He’s already the 2nd WR in this last game.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
he was still our best QB then
and why do you bring up ancient history as if it has anthing to do with the present? old playoff games, Fran Tarkenton….I bet there are some pretty badass cavemen we could genetically reproduce to play linebacker for us
Not really. He is saying, along with all of us, that we don’t get your point of taking out a much better QB and putting in a crappier one. Tyrod, Boller, etc all don’t have half of the skillset Joe has and replacing Joe even for a series is detrimental to the entire team and to Joe as a starter.
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and having Tyrod in there would have made the Oline perform better and the defense would have stopped them more often and the playcalling would have been better and the WRs would have gotten more separation and the refs would have actually paid attention and the…..
Wow that seems like a lot to fix for 1 guy. Might as well fire the guy if he’s making all those other aspects suck that bad. I didn’t know a QB had that much to do with how a defense performed though.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm what!? He has taken over the entire offense from day 1 and no one would say Vince Young is a better QB than Hasselbeck. So your entire argument is moot and has no bearing on anything with this team
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
your full of it. taking your arguments to homer extremes. wake up man. its guys like you who kept billick around for 10 years and cavanaugh for a long time. there are better qbs and coaches out there. they just need a chance. to stop on flacco and cam is stupid. i could dig up 50 flaccos. 1 first down 45 minutes into the game. no decent qb fails that bad against a team that lost their last 5. joe sucks.
No offense, but I wouldn’t trust a Bengals fan to know what above average anything looked like.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
At this point, they probably know what an above average trade rape looks like.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah unfortunately. Gotta give them credit this year. They made teams their bitch in trades.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ravens have had plenty of poor offensive performances in their history, but this ranks with the very worst. They didn’t generate a first down for 39 minutes. They didn’t score for 58 minutes. They couldn’t run the ball with any consistency. There was no downfield passing attack, really no passing game at all. The Jaguars had their number. Joe Flacco was under fire throughout and was prone to inaccuracy when he did have time.
"if you really want to know what people think about you listen to their jokes" -N.Moore
prone to inaccuracy when he did have time.
I’d like to smack that writer in the head for 58 minutes and for the other 2 minutes wave my hands around their head like I was going to smack them. Lets see them take the SATs with that and see how well they do.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm gonna go argue with a brick wall
it listens to logic and reason better than some people around here.
Go Ravens. Go Joe. Fire Cam.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by YeahDonnie on Oct 25, 2011 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Monkey Feces for OC!!! That is going to be my new sig
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
We should all adopt it.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So why did Harbaugh call for an onside kick? Have the kicker kick that damn thing out of the end zone, he has that crazy strong leg. They run a play, the two minute warning, two more plays in which they call a time out, and Baltimore has the ball at around their own 30-40, nearly two minutes to play, and only needing a field goal.
I can’t believe nobody has questioned that on here.
You’re absolutely right. That was a terrible call as well.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruce did in the game thread. I was thinking similar
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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Its on the agenda to discuss. You are bringing it up too early! :)
Absolutely a horrible call. He must not have trusted the D to get a stop I guess and he went for the win with the onside kick.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't a horrible call
considering how long it was taking our offense to drive down the field. It really looked like it was a play our Special teams has been working on.
That last drive took about 2 minutes. If the defense made a 3 and out, we get the ball at around our own 40 and have to drive 30-40 yards in 1:30. That is incredibly do-able.
Given that they were easily kicking 54 yard FGs and by not recovering the onside kick, you put them at a 59 yard FG, you basically give them a minimum of 3 points if you don’t get the onside kick. Then you are forced to drive from your own 20 to score a TD instead of a FG.
Everything with that call made the offense have to do more and drive further if we didnt get it. Based on probability of getting it and what has to happen if you don’t succeed, it was the wrong call and almost destined to fail.
I will say that it almost worked though. But in the end you have to weight the risk/reward of the situation. The reward was getting the ball at your own 45 with 2 minutes on the clock. Not doing it gets the ball at your 40 with 1:30 on the clock.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Recovering it gives us the ball with the 2 minute warning and 2 timeouts (should have been 3) to work with and only needing however many yards for a FG.
Kicking it deep depends on Cundiff kicking it out of the endzone leaving the returner no chance to catch it to allow for the 2 minute warning to be useful. If the kick is short we get the ball back assuming the 3 and out with less than a minute to work with.
You have to remember what you are working with though. Cundiff can absolutely get that ball in the stands if he wants, so assume that its a touchback. Then a 3 and out, using your timeouts and you have the ball back with about 1:40 left on the clock at roughly your own 30-40 (if you just faircatch it). Then all you need is roughly 30-40 yards to kick a reasonable FG and win the game. All very do-able there
But if you don’t get the onside kick, you are sitting at trying to pitch a 3 and out from your own 40. Even if you can do that, they can easily kick that FG and give themselves a 5 point lead. Now you get the kickoff (they had been booming them to the back of the endzone all night, so its safe to assume that would have been a touchback) at the 20 and have to drive 80 yards to get a TD in 1:40 with no timeouts left.
The best case scenario is what you posted. Recovering onside kicks is the rarest thing in the NFL and is only attempted when you absolutely have no other choice because its so rare to succeed. Given the low probability of success mixed with the relatively minimal reward even if you do succeed (you get 2 minutes and you have 2 TOs left from your own 40 to drive 30-40 yards and get a FG to win… not much over just kicking the ball into the stands) you have to admit that it just wasn’t worth it. Not executing perfectly on such a rare play forces you in a horrible position to have to drive the entire field with absolutely no TOs and score a TD.
Just not the smartest move. IT certainly didn’t kill our entire game, but Harbaugh could have played that one better and given us a better chance to win.
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by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
But your way
assumes a three and out. I don’t think that was certain, even if it did end up happening. They get a single first down and all of a sudden, the time you get to score goes way down. The onside kick was a gutsy call, but to say it’s categorically wrong is just silly. I’m sure if Harbaugh knew that the ball would bounce half an inch short he wouldn’t have called it either
Any way you look at it, we have to get a 3 and out unless we get the onside kick. Its like playing Russian Roulette with 2 bullets in 3 chambers and even that has better odds.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, its windy and I plan on jumping!!!!
*AAAAAAAAAA*AAAAAAaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But nobody learned from the Titans game
They run the same plays with the same guy running the same plays. They thought it would work the second time around.
Yeah, Rice should have been pulled in the first half and replaced with anyone. Same thing goes with Oher and the rest of the Oline. Yeah and Boldin and the other WRs as well. You know what, I think the team should just hold open auditions and replace everyone this week for the Cardinals.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
harbaugh
wah wah wah…the fact that ravens fans respect him blows my mind
"i dont subscribe to hocus pocus"
why? I havent heard him whine at all after the game. Given what other Steeler fans have said, I assume you are talking about him bitching out the refs during the game.
Here is a little insight on why he might have been complaining a little bit………
Because this was the single worst officiated game I have ever seen? Because both coaches had to use both of their challenges (and we could/should have used our 3rd) on pretty simple calls? Because the refs didn’t know basic rules like offsetting penalties? Because allowing the Jags to reset the playclock on a kickoff without any reason? Because of ejecting a player for something you see in every single game (not that it wasn’t a bonehead play, but still something you see all day every day)? Because they didn’t call blatant penalties (standing over a guy in the 2 minute drill and not letting him get up when no one is around you is delay of game…. hit on a defenseless WR against Torrey Smith…. The rape they would have called pass interference against Mathis all game….. etc)?
1 or 2 of those things you should be able to overcome as a team and win. But when you combine all the things I mentioned, plus others I just didn’t feel like typing up, it makes even the simplest games impossible to do anything without taking 3 steps backwards. You know when the announcers make statements like “horrible”, “absurd” and “absolutely ridiculous” in regards to the refs, that it was a downright shit game from them.
On top of that, any Steelers fan coming on here complaining about complaining is hilarious. I’ve spent a little time on your blog and just last week heard pretty much every regular on there mention that the refs were out to get the Steelers and how Goodell looks for ways to fine you guys (as though he is Hitler…. someone even posted a video I believe of the Hitler movie with subtitles relating to the Steelers). I absolutely never complain about the refs and a lot of Ravens fans don’t either, but that was a horrible game from the refs and it should be looked in to pretty hard.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say worst officiated game ever, the Monday night Pats game a few years ago has that title firmly in hand.
But it was far from pretty and there was no reason our team should leave the game up to the refs to decide.
Oh yeah, we definitely should have been able to overcome those things. Its not an excuse for why we lost, but it absolutely doesn’t help anything. I’d still say this is the worst officiated game for both teams ever…. they just got everything wrong
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by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely ridiculous game.
We are too good a team to be losing like this. If we can’t put a string of 2-3 good games together we might as well give up now. Consistency is our biggest problem.
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by John Stephens on Oct 25, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That's fine with me
Lose a couple more, I don’t feel secure enough yet.
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by John Stephens on Oct 25, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Its ok, we’ll put you back in your spot with another 35-7 ass whooping in a few weeks.
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by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see.
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by John Stephens on Oct 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Way to live in week 1
Fact is, the Ravens aren’t getting better but the Steelers are… Both teams have a long way to go if they want to win a SB.
lol, you're going to go with that angle?
here’s some “by the numbers” for you
17-13 12-7
38-17 26-13
See, it really matters what happens against common opponents doesn’t it?
I’m sure you got a bucket full of excuses for those two as well right?
Don’t worry, when you grow up you’ll understand
Man, you gotta relax. You apparently havent seen the discussion on here have you. I’m just messing around with John based on what he said.
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by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s sad to see how inconsistent we are. We have a mile to go before even being put in the same thought as Green Bay or Patriots. Flacco, Cam, and the O-line had a horrible game.
by Raven_all_day on Oct 25, 2011 8:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The high I felt all week following the Steeler win
flip that around, thats how LOW i think i’ll feel the rest of this week.
That game was the worst game I have ever watched, funny thing is I’ve said that two times this year, both of our losses, the team just looked helpless in both of them.
When Flacco is bad, he is BAD, when he is good, he’s average. I will stop being biased and call it like I see it, I don’t think he did enough in that game, there were a few times when he threw it after the pressure where it looked like he could have stepped up and scrambled for a few yards, 5-10 maybe, that could have really made them think twice about coming so hard every play.
Easy for me to say from the couch, but GOD DAMN!!! the only plays I cheered for was the Pollard hit, which was called a penalty! and that 3rd down stop where they forced them to kick that last field goal, just knowing they had a sliver of a chance was enough to get me excited.
Right when that pick was thrown, i threw the remote across the room and went to bed steaming, I hope the team feels that way and worse, i hope it lingers all the way with them to pittsburgh so they can take it out on them.
UGH!!!!!
Great post. Good point on the scrambling
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by Evan Skev on Oct 25, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe its the opposite. This team typically doesn’t overlook the crappy teams, but this year it looks like we have. Maybe all those young guys we brought in are overlooking teams. Either way, I hope we get everything sorted out so we can beat down the Steelers.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 25, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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