Texans Trade For Jets' Derrick Mason
The Houston Texans traded a conditional draft pick to the New York Jets for disgruntled WR Derrick Mason. The combination of the injury to Andre Johnson plus Mason's unhappiness for his reduced role in New York makes sense for both teams.
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When they could have, but passed on signing TJ Houshamndzadeh to replace the injured Josh Morgan. Guess TJ has fallen n tough times this year, eh?
aka 'Rexx'
because he is not good anymore
and his attitude scares teams away from what little production he might give them
Time to retire?
When will a player ever realize that the poison coming out of their mouth’s, can easily out weigh their talent on the field?
ftafree-California Raven's Fan
and then he can spend the rest of the year disrupting Matt Schaub’s offense.
Ever since Mason left i dont get how Ravens fans like your self have come up with so much negativity of the guy. Mason was a very classy guy when he was here and it was never like Terrell Owen type guy in the locker room jee
When will a player ever realize that the poison coming out of their mouth’s, can easily out weigh their talent on the field?
I dont see how what Mason said was Poison because all he said after the jets game was that the offense has some serious problems to fix even Holmes their number one wideout had something to say about the offense but I cant blame Mason for being mad because he definately didnt have good quarterback like Joe Flacco and their offense sucked
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
That's the problem
The point is not what he said after the Jet’s game, but what he and “Housh” were constant yelling in Flacco’s ear “give me the ball, give me the ball, give me the ball”. How can a young qarterback develop with that constant pressure? He was waived at the right time, and now it is Flacco’s choice who he wants to throw to.
ftafree-California Raven's Fan
give me the ball, give me the ball"
Any good WR does this. Hell and good player at all wants the ball in their hands as often as possible. To get all upset because he did that is getting upset with every skill player in the league, past and future.
He was waived at the right time, and now it is Flacco’s choice who he wants to throw to.
I’ll agree that we waived him at the right time to let some other guys mature. But Flacco was always able to throw it to anyone he wanted to, Mason wouldn’t have shot him in the forehead if he didn’t.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree...
I do not understand the hate for Mason at all. These guys, just to get to this level, have to have phenomena talent. To stay in this league, they have to fight and scratch constantly. They have to have massive egos.
I honestly don’t understand how the players that take extra time for the fans (like Ray Rice) handle it. I would constantly be in trouble telling people to f- off.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 12, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have never let him go, he is obviously so valuable to whichever team he is on.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Which is why
everybody wants Derrick!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have never let him go, he is obviously so valuable to whichever team he is on.
I dont think the Texans would had traded for Derrick Mason if they didnt think he wasnt valueable I never heard of team trading for a player that didnt have some kind of value to the team but it should be exciting to see my favorite wideout back again in Baltimore
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I meant to quote that not strike that
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
to whichever team he is on.
Which might be all of them before the year is out.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 12, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
"I want to go where I have the best chance for a superbowl"
Bet you wanna play for the Ravens now Mason
I rather have all 3 rookies than his old ass.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
wow should be interesing and I think Mason will have much better success in the houston offense than the jets
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Yeah, Schaub is so interested
in Mason running the “three yard, turn, catch and dive to the ground” route! NOT!
aka 'Rexx'
in Mason running the "three yard, turn, catch and dive to the ground" route! NOT!
Mason is best in the busineess when it comes to that an besides that not the only thing he can do. If Mason can only do that well I wonder what Boldin can do because they basically the same type of wideout
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Put your Boner away Jazz and get over Mason. There’s a reason we cut him and now he’s being traded. Great player while he was here and will always love him, but father time caught up with him.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Put your Boner away Jazz and get over Mason. There’s a reason we cut him and now he’s being traded. Great player while he was here and will always love him, but father time caught up with him
Av23 really man you need to really stop with that because its not about that Jeez
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Relax man. He’s not calling you gay. (obligatory: not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
lol wow I know that but everytime I bring up mason Av23 comes popping up saying i need to get over mason as if I’m putting up I love mason and i want him back type statement which I wasnt. Just because I show respect to Mason doenst mean Im not over the fact he gone
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Hey at least he could catch and get open. Say what you want about Mason, but the guy was consistent for the team and was able to keep drives alive. So far Boldin has dropped more balls than TDs.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a general question....
Does the player that’s being traded, in this case Mason, have to accept his fate and join the Texans or would he be free to, let’s say, retire? I don’t know the rules players face when being traded away and was hoping for some clarification. I know Mase was hoping to retire a Jet and begin his broadcasting career in NY after he hung ‘em up, so I can’t imagine he’s feeling great about moving again….my guess is he retires for this season (if allowed) and possibly comes back next year with a team that he can fully adapt to with off season workouts.
From browsing Jets and Texans sites, it seems like both sides are cool with the deal. At least Mase gets a big upgrade over Sanchez, but it’s not going to make or break either franchises seasons by any means.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
by WestminsterRaven on Oct 11, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions
Most football contracts don’t have anything in them in regards to a no-trade clause. He is free to retire at anytime. He may have to pay some of his money (probably a signing bonus) back though if he does.
The writer formerly known as This White Man Can Jump; Powah Stached; Bear Killer; Da Dude; The Other Bambino; TJ Dropped The Season; Harbaugh Is My Co-Pilot; Billick's Alter Ego; Mr. Poopy Pants.
Really?!
I’m assuming the Baughers comment is directed towards me? What’d I say to offend you? I’ve eaten there maybe three times in the years and years I’ve lived here and to be honest, I don’t care for it much.
I asked a general ? which didn’t really give you any reason to be an ass, and if you’re not being an ass then clarify.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
by WestminsterRaven on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re arguing with an alcoholic halfwit.
by Evan Skev on Oct 12, 2011 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Word, I appreciate the heads up. I don’t take well to drunk a-holes, dealt with them too often while growing up. I’ll ignore from now on.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
by WestminsterRaven on Oct 12, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Please ignore Evan as he has absolutely no pull on this site at all and tends to make up wild accusations about a few people he doesn’t like. I’m willing to bet that I’ll get some half-assed comment about how he thinks I’m dumb or something. The fact that Evan has no pull or respect from anyone on this site is because of his passive aggressive, 12 year old bully mentality like he showed up above. Just look around the site to see how much people respect Evan’s opinion.
Raven does make some smart-assed comments from time to time, but I don’t think he means any harm in what he says. He just likes to stir the pot a bit and goes out of his way to do that occasionally.
Anyway, to answer your question…. Mason is able to retire. I’m not sure his contract details so I couldn’t tell you if the Texans would have the right to him after this season. I do believe that any trade is more for that player’s contract than anything else, so if Mason has 3 years left, then the Texans have 3 years of him if they want it regardless of if he retires just like the Jets and Packers had with Favre.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mason stuck around with the Texans this year. Once Andre Johnson gets back they are a top 5 team in the AFC and aren’t a bad place to be if he wants to get back in the playoffs and further. Honestly, he probably has a better shot of doing better in Houston than with the Jets right now, especially with Andre out for a little while.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the help and answering my ?.
Like I said in my post, I was wondering if Mason might at least contemplate calling it quits because of the move from NY to HOU because of his desire for broadcasting and wasn’t sure on what rules players have to go by during a trade. I’m interested to see if he’ll have a larger role this weekend than he did with the Jets and who we’ll match up against him. I bet he gets a little chippy again like two weeks ago, this game just got a lot more interesting with this trade, and with the memory from last years game.
"Don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. I know y'all going to throw it, they going to throw it anyway. I wouldn't throw it. Don't do it." - Ed Reed
by WestminsterRaven on Oct 12, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can picture Mason being pretty excited to play us again and I can see him having a much larger role with Andre being out. I don’t know the Texan’s depth chart though, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out there as the #1 or #2 WR this weekend.
I think a lot of people make a little too much out of being in NY to have a broadcasting career. As long as Mason is interested and puts the word out that he wants to get into broadcasting, someone will pick him up. Having a solid career and playing with a lot of super teams gives him a fair amount of credit on that end and should get him some looks from somewhere to do the intro shows or do color commentary during games.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
clarification processing please hold…..
ok, 3/4 of Westminster either works at Baughers or McDaniels cafeteria.
What the hell you got against Baughers?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Whats up raven fans.
Just coming over here to see how you guys really feel about mason. What kind of WR was he for y’all? Posseison or speed guy. Also how do you guys like Vonta so far?
He’s a possession receiver that will move the chains. I like his attitude. He has a heart of a lion.
Disagree with mookie. Mason is a possession receiver who will catch the ball and fall down two yards shy of the first down marker.
Vonta is great. Definite upgrade for us.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 12, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
well if he falls two yard shy we got arian to get the other two if need be.
Yea i am one of the guys from houston who was on the fence about Vonta, love him to death just could not see us paying him that much.
Not when he does it on 3rd and 7…
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 12, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He has no speed but great hands… Great on the out and comeback but that’s about it.
He’s a diva who thinks he’s bigger than the team. He won’t make it through if he continues where he left off in bmore and nj
by Evan Skev on Oct 12, 2011 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but wasn't he you player representive through the whole lockout?
i mean they guys must respect the guy right?
I respect what he did while he was here (and younger) but he’s lost more than a step and tried to make up for it with his mouth. Last year or two, his favorite way to end a play is pop somebody in the mouth and get a 15 yard penalty on 3rd and 1.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 12, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was Foxworth – we shoulda canned his ass too. LOL
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 12, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a diva who thinks he’s bigger than the team
that not true because why he was with the ravens he did everything for the team the guy littereallly played with a broken shoulder in 2008 and had ba Hernia in 2010 if he was really all about his self I dont think he would have been playing.
I can accept the fact Mason gone but i hate when people but out ignorance and definately can’t back it up. Every since Mason left seems like every raven fans turn on him and it just donest seem right at least show some kind of respect but i guess that to much to ask
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
by jazz20 on Oct 12, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
typo while
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Dude, he got cut from 2 teams because of his mouth. If he was still as good as you seem to think he is, he wouldn’t have been cut from Baltimore and wouldn’t have been traded from NY so quickly.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
He wasnt cut from here because of his mouth, it had everything to do with his contract. We were interested in bringing him back, but for whatever reason, that fell through and he went with the Jets. His trade has more to do with the Texans needing a vet WR than with NY hating his mouth.
If saying that they need to play better gets you traded, then half that team would be gone including Rex Ryan. All week long they have been saying that they feel deflated and their swagger is gone and that they need to step it up big time. Mason was only a very small part of that voice. I don’t know what the Texans offered, but if it was a decent pick NY would have been stupid to let that slip by them when their season is looking pretty bad right now and they have 2 WRs that should be in front of him.
Saying it has to do solely with his attitude, mouth or age really isn’t fair because you don’t know why he’s gone… whether that be the trade was too good to pass up or they were sick of his shit over there.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people have mixed feelings on Mason because of the way he left here. We were interested in bringing him back and were in talks with him about returning here and all of a sudden things broke down. People take that in a bunch of different ways I guess and tend to remember his career here with a certain bias for it.
Mason was a tough guy that frequently played with bad injuries (separated shoulder, ankle and knee injuries) and was reliable to show up every week. He has slowed down even from last year and he is a possession receiver all the way. Even with his lack of speed, the guy is almost always open on the short routes, but he really doesn’t get any YAC because he is usually just a step in front of the DB. But on a 3rd and 5, you pretty much look at Mason and that is what his role really should be.
He has pretty sure hands, though he does have a history of drops at some bad times for us (playoff game against the Steelers for instance) and that has dropped a bit of his respect around here now that he’s gone. For the most part, he catches what hits him in the hands.
Vonta has been great over here and is a huge upgrade from a run blocking perspective. We’ve really used him a lot in the flat for quick yardage passing plays and I really don’t think people were expecting that from him. He has a great attitude and it really shows that he’s quickly earned the teams respect. I do think we could have gotten a lesser FB for much less and been OK, but Vonta is showing that he is worth the extra money in terms of upgrading our production in the running game.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
His choiice!!
He had a chance to resign with Baltimore, but shunned the Raven’s because he thought the Jets were a better team, and that he could bully Sanchez to get the ball. My opinion! Just sayin.
ftafree-California Raven's Fan
He had a chance to resign with Baltimore, but shunned the Raven’s because he thought the Jets were a better team
There were some reports that the ravens didnt offer Mason a deal at all and Mason said so him self if the ravens wanted him back then he would be back. If the ravens didnt offer him a deal and Mason decided to go with the Jets then I dont blame him saying Jets was the best team to go to becase the titans were reported interested in him as well and the jets were the better /more appealing team at that time
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Mason got cut from us for the likes of Torrey Smith and Tandon Doss and then got traded for the likes of the Kerley kid showing him up. The 37 year old Mason is gone because of rookies so far.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Because of the promise of rookies so far. Sanchez is really a crappy QB and can barely stand upright for a game right now, much less hit a timing pattern to Mason when he has 2 faster WRs that he should get the ball to before. It looks like he’s getting traded because the Texans desperately need a WR right now that can catch the ball. Without Andre, they became 1 dimensional and adding Mason may not be a huge threat, but it allows them to at least have a consistent, sure handed WR until Andre comes back.
I still think he would have had great production here, but I do agree it was time to move on from Mason and sink or swim with the young talent. Against the Titans, I really do think he would have been the extra edge to win that game, but just barely.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The 37 year old Mason is gone because of rookies so far.
first you say Mason is gone because of his mouth now you saying he gone because of a rookies make up your Mind Malor which one is it?
The Texans went out and traded for Mason if he wasnt as good as you say then why did they trade for him? it doesnt make sense to trade for a player that’s suppose to so old and slow when they could had sign a free agent wideout like Housmanzadeh, Demtrius Williams, and etc that are much younger and faster.
I highly doubt the Texans didnt look at tape of Mason this year and last year
Mason got cut from us for the likes of Torrey Smith and Tandon Doss
I dont think it was that because Ozzie clearly stated him self it was move to free up space. just about every team had to release some big name players to free up space and some of teams wasnt able to re-sign the players because they went to another team. You speak of Torrey and Tandon Doss but lets be real here they dont scare no body and you and I both know if Lee Evans and Boldin went down the offense would probably be in trouble unless the rookie show otherwise plus if they were so great lee evans wouldnt had been traded for .
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I think it was a major combination of the two. Everyone knew Mason caused some internal problems here with his attitude, and we decided to move on from all that to give a bunch of young guys chances. If Mason was still a productive WR, we would not have taken the risk of letting rookies with ZERO experience go for someone who you seem to think can still bring some major things to the table.
Mason’s contract wouldn’t have been big at all. And the fact that you say the offense would be in trouble if Boldin and Evans went down tells me that Ozzie was willing to take that risk than to resign a disgruntled and diminishing WR.
Same thing with the Jets. He may not have been the only one, but he was still reportedly part of a group that was displeased with how things were going and after seeing a rookie tear it up against New England, they decided Mason’s skill set was not needed anymore,
Texans are desperate for WR right now with Andre out and the Jets wanted nothing to do with him.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I think it was a major combination of the two. Everyone knew Mason caused some internal problems here with his attitude
to my knowledge mason was leader and classy player when he was with the ravens. This the part I hate is when he leaves everybody wants to say he was a poison in the locker room but I know for a fact you said so your self when he was still here that Mason was still a productive player and the incident with Flacco was no big deal now you want to change up from that. Mason had his attitude problems at times but what player dont do you think Anquan Boldin doesnt have attitude problems I guess you think he just sits around calm all day because I have seen times when he was with the cardiinals argueing with his offensive coordinator.
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If Mason was still a productive WR, we would not have taken the risk of letting rookies with ZERO experience go for someone who you seem to think can still bring some major things to the table.
If im not mistaken the ravens try to re-sign just about every player they cut besides WIllis Mcgahee whose having a great season so far . I think it was just basically to clear cap space and if the ravens decided to move on then thats fine sometimes change has to happen but just because the ravens moved on doesnt mean you/others have to start putting off Mason hate and start thinking he wasn’t still productive.
Same thing with the Jets. He may not have been the only one, but he was still reportedly part of a group that was displeased with how things were going and after seeing a rookie tear it up against New England
What Mason said was not bad at all and it wasnt disrespectful to the the team . Holmes litterally was the one that was really saying too much but you know the jets not going to trade him so of course that leaves Mason as the odd man. I honestly dont see how a rookie having 3 reception for 35 yards and one touchdown is tearing it up please tell me how thats tearing it up.
Texans are desperate for WR right now with Andre out and the Jets wanted nothing to do with him
So you telling me that the Texans are so desperate for a wideout they decide to trade up for a so called wash up player when they could have just signed younger/faster a free agent wideout? give mason his props it obviously means the texans like Mason and with their offense it means they envision him being nice addition to their offensive plans going forward.
Every time Mason name is bought up around here it mostly hate instead of love and you guys tell me to get over him when I show respect and love but it seems like its you guys that need to get over him not me :)
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I am far over Mason. The new love and obsession is Torrey smith, jump on in!
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I am far over Mason. The new love and obsession is Torrey smith, jump on in
I like David Reed and Tandon Doss better but Torrey is cool
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
Torrey > God.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Torrey > God.
that way overboard but what ever you say Malor but I thnk David Reed + Tandon Doss > Torrey Smith
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?-langton Hughes
yeah I agree with Jimmy and Cary shutting down the other teams WR’s, they’ll make anybody rushing the QB look good - Jaz
I think David Reed’s receptions, yards, tds + Tandon Doss receptions, yards, tds < Torrey Smith’s receptions,yards, tds.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
that way overboard Malor what ever you say but I think that in my personal opinion that jazz has a lot of opinions and if not he not always only sometimes has any sort of substance or factual basis for them
Obstacles are the things you see when you take your eyes off your goals.
by jackmca on Oct 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol I’m sorry jazz i had to do it
Obstacles are the things you see when you take your eyes off your goals.
you forgot to bold the first half of your comment like this but I
like your lack of capitalization and puncutation to create crazy run on sentences and using i think or reports said in your comment to explain why meason is great wr for raven
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 13, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At first I thought you had a stroke or something :) Then I got it the second read thru.
Sorry Jazz, but some of your comments are pretty hard to read and understand.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 13, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m laughing too. But let’s give him a break. Even with being the grammar-Nazi I am, I’d much rather read all Jazz’s numerous opinions written in StrokeText than one of Evan’s pointless sarcastic ejaculations. Or the word “yinzer” EVER AGAIN. LOL
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 13, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very Very true.
Its all in fun on Jazz. I’d hope he knows that I am only messing with him. I find that even if I don’t agree with his points, I can understand where he gets his thoughts from and respect his opinions. Actually, I feel that way about 99% of you guys…. its just that 1 or 2 guys…..
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 14, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
jazz is a cool guy. Never gets heated like most of us.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
for the record
i’m still laughing my ass off at this:
you forgot to bold the first half of your comment like this but I
like your lack of capitalization and puncutation to create crazy run on sentences and using i think or reports said in your comment to explain why meason is great wr for raven
Obstacles are the things you see when you take your eyes off your goals.
I thought this was amazing
and if not he not always only sometimes
I said that about 10 times and could not stop laughing.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
So you telling me that the Texans are so desperate for a wideout they decide to trade up for a so called wash up player when they could have just signed younger/faster a free agent wideout? give mason his props it obviously means the texans like Mason and with their offense it means they envision him being nice addition to their offensive plans going forward.
Yes. Andre is out, the FA market is picked clean and Jacoby Jones has been under performing. It’s not like they gave up so much to get him. They gave up their 7th rounder. Mason has been a productive player, so they are just milking everything they can get out of him. Only problem is given his skill set now, I don’t know how productive he can be anywhere else other than here.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Was listening to a Houston beat writer today on the radio and he said do not be surprised to see Mason cut from the Texans 4 or 5 weeks from now when Andre comes back to 100% healthy. They have guys like Jones and Walter who are far more dynamic than Mason is right now and the Houston writers said Mason is more of a stop gap than he is a solution to their passing game right now.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Against the Titans, I really do think he would have been the extra edge to win that game, but just barely.
Mason wouldn’t have been able to keep Joe upright.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
But he would have been able to beat that coverage more than Boldin or Smith did. While Joe was getting battered, he was having to force balls into coverage because Boldin couldn’t get an ounce of space. Seeing at how that is what Mason made his money doing, I think he could have had a few 1st down catches. Those few 1st downs maybe turn into a TD and a FG and maybe they give us a little momentum.
I think you are stuck on Mason “not being productive” when he was with the Jets. He had 2 very very good WRs in front of him that are much faster and more deserving of the ball before he gets any looks. Against the Titans, he would have been the #2 guy and would have gotten far more looks and tosses his way.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate WR who get a 2 YAC and people still ride their nuts.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
What's better
A receiver catching a ton of balls, and a ton of first downs, but has low YAC, or a receiver who is inconsistent, has bad hands, but every now and then makes a big play? The latter is basically what we had other than Mason for his whole time in Baltimore. He carried this offense for a long time. We cut him at the perfect time, with his age catching up to him and young recievers ready to make contributions, but I don’t get all the Mason hate. I’ll always have respect for the guy, and I still think, in the right system, he can make some plays this year.
or a receiver who is inconsistent, has bad hands, but every now and then makes a big play?
We are getting Evans back, which will be huge. You will be saying “Mason who?” once he hits the field. And to answer your question, Torrey > Derrick.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I wasn't comparing Torrey and Derrick
Like I said, we cut him at the right time, I completely agreed with Ozzie going in a new direction, and I do think Torrey will be a better asset to this team that Derrick would have been. I’m just saying for the time he was here, he was a very good, very underrated player, and I’ll always respect him for what he did here.
Loved Derrick during his time here, don’t care much about him when on another team.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Loved Derrick during his time here, don’t care much about him when on another team.
Then why bash his skillset. He clearly has the talent to be a huge player for an offense. He’s not a terrible guy, but everyone wants to act like he was strangling kittens at the stadium before smacking Ozzie in the face with a dead one.
The guy was our offense for so many years. I can’t hate on that and I can’t hate on him being honest about what he thinks his team needs to be successful.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine. It happens to older players who are no longer explosive.
However, Mason was a still productive. He had 44 receptions that resulted in first downs in his last year with the Ravens. Not bad for an old man. His yards per reception was in line with his career average. Derrick Mason is still a productive receiver.
Still productive? Yes he is. The type of WR this offense needs right now? Ehhhhh, I don’t think so.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Production isn’t the issue… Look at randy and owens
Mason is a diva… Not a good look on a 37 yr old vet in his last season
by Evan Skev on Oct 12, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree that Mason was a hard working football player and our best weapon for so many years. But the atmosphere started to change around him in the last 2 years or so here. It was time to move on. We tried the last 3 seasons to get a Superbowl with him as a main piece and it obviously was not working, had to try something new to get this passing game going. (Yes raven, I know you wanted a new QB instead of new WR).
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
So you absolutely despise Heap then right? A strong wind would have tackled Heap after he caught the ball :)
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Despise? No. But I said he was done two years ago. Just took everyone else more time to see it. And he’d been worthless for YAC for about 4 years before that.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he always was horrible with YAC and injuries. I agree with you that I saw him being traded 2 years ago without any real issue, but his contract killed our chances of doing that.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not quite always. First year or two, he would gallop after the catch. Think it was the first or second injury that took that out of him and turned him into Todd Heap – The Great American Flopper.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I really can’t recall too many times that he got touched and didn’t hit the ground immediately. Either way, Heap would have played most of his career as a guy that had 0 YAC.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 13, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So who was whose safety blanket now?
Scott Hines
by shines on Oct 12, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They aren’t blanketing anything right now.
by Mstevens_Design on Oct 12, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The Derrick Mason Farewell Tour – brought to you by Cialis – for when you might only have 4 hours before you’re traded again.
re: Big Ben - "God can have his soul. His ass is mine." - Terrell Suggs
by GrumpyOldBird on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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