Ravens Quarterback Coach Jim Zorn Has Been Fired!!!!
by jazz20 on Jan 27, 2011 7:02 PM EST
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First year Ravens Quarterback Coach Jim Zorn has been recently fired by The Baltimore Ravens. The transactions comes to some sort of a surprise because he only had only one season under his belt with The Ravens and Joe Flacco numbers/ quarterback ratings were high this season.
The move to fried quarterback coach Jim Zorn would be an understandable move because his philosophy comes from a west coast offense and Ravens offense currently uses something that is totally opposite. Ravens fans/media did suggest maybe it would be best for The Ravens offense to adjust to a west coast offense but it seems that will not be happening.
Joe Flacco yet again will be having a new quarterback coach to learn from and hopefully it will benefit him more to reach the potentials to be an elite quarterback. Baltimore Ravens fans I would like to get your feedback on rather Baltimore Ravens decision to part ways with Jim Zorn a good idea or a bad idea?
The opinions posted here are those of the administrator of this blog and his loyal readers. They are in no way official comments from the team, and should not be misconstued as such, even though he thinks he could do just as well or even a better job!
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And now I hear Cam will be taking over the QB coach responsibilities
So with Cameron wanting to be more involved with Flacco, and our Special Teams oriented Head Coach wanting to be more involved with the offensive playcalling, looks like change is a brewing. I don’t know whether to be excited, or worried. Although I do know that Flacco didn’t exactly progress as much as we all thought he would this year, so I’m not to sad to see Zorn go. I’m sure he’ll end up in Cleveland or some other dead end.
by StuckInUtah on Jan 27, 2011 7:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Joe Flacco quarterback Rating did improve and he scramble better then he has in the past
to get away from opposing defensive players. I dont know if this move is good for joe or not but this will give cam a better understanding on Joe Flacco overall knowing now that he going to be quarterback coach and offensive coordinator he be able ot understand more what works for Joe Flacco and what doesnt work for him
The best way for Flacco to become an elite QB is to...
…get rid of Cameron. Seriously look at both Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers. Both improved dramatically the year after they parted from Cameron. I really think Joe could do the same. In many ways Cam is holding him back.
I hate to bash Cameron, because he is a decent OC. And I still beleive he was the perfect fit for the job in 2008. But the Ravens skill set does not match up with his offensive philosophy. I do think Cameron could do very well with a team like San Francisco.
by edsachs1 on Jan 27, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I say the best way for Joe Flacco to be Elite is on him not Cam Cameron.
Cam Cameron does calls plays that make you say why the hell he call that play but ultimately the players have to make the plays come alive and Joe Flacco has to start maturing in this offense we have becuase a new is not going to help now
edsachs1 actually makes a great point about Cameron’s philosophy not being a good fit for our personnel. The Air Coryell requires fast receivers to effect a vertical passing game and a high quality offensive line to provide enough time for those routes to develop, as well as to provide push off the line for the power running game. We have none of that.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Jan 27, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well, we did have a good offensive line a year ago
and we have to ask a simpler question, that system is good for joe. i think we can agree its not west coast.
OL play was a HUGE reason for why we underperformed this year. Is it Cam Cameron’s fault that the OL couldn’t contain a block for 3 seconds or that Joe held onto the ball too long? I sure as hell don’t think so.
And to anyone who will argue against this by saying “Cam had our WR run 20-30 yards down field so much” is fooling their damn selves.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
Malor,
If every time you grab a cookie, a hammer hits you square in the nuts. What would you do?
You would certainly stop reaching for a cookie or buy a cup.
The fact that Cam had our WRs running longer routes is his fault solely. If you know our O-line can’t block for long, then you have to get around that some way. Keeping in people to block is a good idea, so is running shorter routes, so is letting Stallworth run the long route and having your start WRs doing what they do best…. possession routes. Yet none of those were used on a consistent basis. When they were used, we had explosive results (games VS the Saints and Chiefs prove that).
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 28, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that Cam had our WRs running longer routes is his fault solely
No, the point I was trying to make is that this is a false statement to some extent. Ive gone back and watched nearly every sack on Joe this year and I saw three things in most of those sacks.
1. The O-Line got slapped around
2. The WR couldn’t get OPEN on their short routes
3. Joe stood their like the Joebot5 he is.
Trust me, we are all just looking for an excuse for why we did not get more passing yards, and I attribute those three things above MUCH more than saying Boldin, Mason, Housh and Heap were 20 yards down field each time. It just simply is not possible for that to be the sole reason, but is the only thing I keep hearing from Baltimore fans.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
by Mr MaLoR on Jan 28, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But see
My point isn’t only that the playcalling was terrible, but the offense as a whole didn’t execute properly. Whether that be the 3 reasons you mentioned or Cam calling crap plays, it still falls on the Offensive Coordinator to fix that or to do something in the playcalling to get around those issues. If every position on the offensive side of the ball was sucking, then I attribute that to piss poor management from the OC.
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 29, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree to an extent
I usually hold players accountable and don’t make excuses. But I think Cameron’s offense holds Flacco, and QBs in general, back. For one, he never lets them aubible. I think thats just ridiculous, there are going to times when a defense has you figured out and you have to switch things up. I’m far from an NFL expert but I do feel Flacco has the skills, but the play calling and offensive philosphies are holding him back from his true potential. I don’t expect him to be on a Manning, Brady, or Brees level, but I do think he could be in the 2nd tier with guys like Aaron Rodgers and Phillip Rivers.
You are 100% correct about Rivers and Brees
I am seriously beginning to think Bruce Arians and Cam Cameron dated in school… all jokes aside, both our teams have a tradition in smash mouth football yet have strong armed QBs. How do you make it fit? I dont think either team would look good in a WCO/Air Coryell system. I miss the days of having a fullback, lemme see a double-wing formation on occasion… or even a T-formation in a triple option. Wait… its not 1952 anymore, darn.
"Steel lightens your work, brightens your leisure, and widens your world."
"I've gotta a feelin!
Pittsburgh Steelers to the Super Bowl!"
Rivers and Brees were pro bowl players under Cameron, so how was he bad for them? I don’t agree with saying that once they left, they were better. I attribute that more to them maturing in this league, which was something they were not able to do under Cam. A QB usually hits his peak performance from about 28-32 years old which is what Rivers and Brees are at right now.
I fully believe that if Cam and Joe are still working together 2-3 years from now, Joe will be in the Pro Bowl and have a ring.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
I also read in a story on the team website with a great quote. I posted it in another story here, but this fanpost might be better suited for it.
It’s the teams with stability at head coach and quarterback that tend to be in the hunt, the teams that understand they’re close and avoid overreacting to breaks that fall for you sometimes and against you sometimes.
The Ravens certainly have that stability in the front office with Steve Bisciotti as their owner and Newsome as their general manager. They’re much better off with the same continuity on the field, with John Harbaugh as their head coach and Joe Flacco as quarterback.
A lot of people wanted a new offensive coordinator, but that was never going to be a good idea with the players possibly being locked out because of the ongoing labor dispute. A year with no offseason is not the year to install a new offense.
Besides, Cam Cameron wouldn’t be facing nearly as much scrutiny if the Ravens had only gained 4.7 yards per rush, as they did in 2009, instead of 3.8, as they did in 2010.
Trying to fix their running game and otherwise just tweaking their blueprint is a lot smarter than ripping things up. I could already hear the lament after next year’s playoff loss: “Well, it was the first year for our new offense, a period of adjustment.”
No thanks.
When you’re as close as the Ravens are, you’re better off making little changes, not big ones.
Very, very good article. I agree 100% with everything he said.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
by Mr MaLoR on Jan 27, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great insight with that quote
I do believe the Wizard of Oz is one of the best judges of talent in this league. Here is hoping we have a season to look forward to.
"Steel lightens your work, brightens your leisure, and widens your world."
"I've gotta a feelin!
Pittsburgh Steelers to the Super Bowl!"
I also think that bringing in a new OC is not just all of a sudden going to solve everything. People keep talking about how the players need that chemistry together and then everything will be alright. Joe and these guys are comfortable with Cam and they know that Cam knows their strengths and weaknesses.
So to just go out there and bring in some new guy immediately after the season was over, I bet the people who want that think we are automatically going to be a top 10 offense, right? I want those people to give me 3 reasons why they are so sure of that. I bet we I will hear “He will give it to Rice more. He will run more slants. He will use our 3 TE more.” Come on, lets get some new material.
Cam has tried doing all those things above minus the slants. That is one area I do believe he needs to improve on and stop going towards the sideline so much. Cam put the ball in our best player’s hands (Rice) more than any other season so far yet people still said Rice needs the ball more. Ravens were the ONLY team in the NFL with 3 players who had 60 or more receptions, yet I still heard people say Cam had Joe locking onto 1 player too much.
I just think people are being ignorant to just jump on Cam right away when it was obvious that our players were just not good enough to do some of the things we wanted to do IE better blocking and speed at WR. Fix those two things, and I think Cam is going to rip through this league…..shoot me for it.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
by Mr MaLoR on Jan 28, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dont really know what to make of this
All i hope is that our playcalling is not as vanilla as it was this year, we need to fully utilize our weapons, case in point – this year we neglected – stallworths downfield speed, putting boldin in the slot, using mcclain more as a bruising RB (which would have helped us convert all of those freaking 3rd and 1 plays), using more 4 and 5 wr sets with David Reed and the others. And we didnt throw at all in the middle until the KC game. Hopefully all of these concerns are adressed by whoever is doing the playcalling.
Just Win Baby !
I saw this coming. He is going to get an OC job somewhere, I almost guarantee it. I wonder who we bring in as the QB coach now?
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
We not going to bring anybody well atlest I dont think so it was just reported that Cam Cameron
will be the quarterback coach with offense assistant Craig Van De Steeg
I’m fine with that. Rivers and Brees were both Pro Bowlers under Cam. I can live with those facts.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
will he?
he was a shitty HC, and then got fired from being an underwhelming QB coach. whose in a rush to give this guy a job.
this is a little information on the Craig Van De Steg who will be helping Cam Cameron
with quarterback coach duties he seem very interesting http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Craig_Ver_Steeg.aspx
Yea, Joe needs to go.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
This all seems like a setup to me
They are taking every possible excuse away from Cam next year. The O-line was a problem, so they promoted a new guy. The QB play wasn’t where he wanted I guess, so they fired Zorn. Every piece is in play now to make Cam the scapegoat of next season if there isn’t a Superbowl win by this team.
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 28, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Agreed
And isn’t season planning for failure a great way to do business?
"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven
by GrumpyOldBird on Jan 28, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I look at the comments about how the Ravens dont know what they doing by keeping
Cam Cameron. Why give him quarterback duties?, he dont know what he doing.fired Cam Cameron , he the worst offensive coordinator in the league, Drew Brees and Phlip Rivers became pro bowlers when he left them as there offensive coordinator coach,and I come to the conclusion that sometimes we Ravens Fans dont know what we are talking about,
I know Ravens Fans dont like Cam Cameron all the time but lets be really here what Nfl team has a Offensive Coordinator that likes him all the time. I know we could of have had better play calling but lets be for real here Cam Cameron had to work with players playing out their original postion, First time Ravens players ever, A first time Ravens quarterback coach with a west coast offense background, a running game that wasnt playing at its true potentials to even help open up the passing game at times, Joe Flacco not seeing open receivers when they wideopen,olinemen not protecting joe flacco long enough, olinemen not being aware on the field of incoming defensive players, and lack of chemistry to make the play calling come alive.
This is some info on Cam Cameron background/history as a coach:
Cam was the quarterbacks coach for the Washington Redskins between 1994 and 1996. He is credited with guiding quarterback Gus Frerotte to his only Pro Bowl appearance in 1997, and also played a key role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green.
During 2001, Cameron coached quarterback Antwaan Randle El who was named a 2001 first-team All-American and the Hoosiers averaged 435.3 yards per game.
From 2002-2006, he served as the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers. In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history. Following the 2004 campaign, Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game – good for fifth in the NFL in that category.
In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points while paving the way for league MVP LaDainian Tomlinson to break the single-season touchdown record. In addition to Tomlinson, Cameron had the opportunity to work with Pro Bowl quarterbacks Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, as well as All-Pro tight end Antonio Gates in San Diego
and I come to the conclusion that sometimes we Ravens Fans dont know what we are talking about,
I am starting to agree with you on this one Jazz.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
I know we could of have had better play calling but lets be for real here Cam Cameron had to work with players playing out their original postion, First time Ravens players ever, A first time Ravens quarterback coach with a west coast offense background, a running game that wasnt playing at its true potentials to even help open up the passing game at times, Joe Flacco not seeing open receivers when they wideopen,olinemen not protecting joe flacco long enough, olinemen not being aware on the field of incoming defensive players, and lack of chemistry to make the play calling come alive.
Jazz,
As the Offensive Coordinator, it is his job to make sure that all of those things are happening properly. He has assistant coaches for the O-Line, WRs, RBs, QBs, but it is his top priority to make sure that all of those parts are working correctly. If they are not, then he needs to correct them by either firing the assistant in charge and call plays differently to take advantage of the strengths. Since neither of those things were done, you have to understand that he just didn’t do his job then.
I know everyone assumes that his sole job is to call the plays, but you have to view him as a supervisor at a plant. He has “department managers” that are supposed to work together to get things done. If one part of the game isn’t working then you can assume it may just be that “manager”, but when all the parts are failing miserably and “stuff isn’t getting shipped” (point aren’t being put up consistently), then you have to start looking up the chain of command to the person that hires those “managers” and ultimately runs the plant.
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 28, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what you saying but how you know that Cam Cameron didnt address these
issues to the offensive assistant coaches. Im sure he does make sure things are working properly/ working correctly with all phases of the offense and the offense probably look good in practice but just becuase it look good in practice doesnt mean its going to look good in games.
I study business management it was cool to see how you describe this situation as in a business point of view and this is a business that we are talking about but sometimes when things are not working right it doesnt mean its the manager fault but of course the first person thats going to be ask question is the manager and her/he has to explian the problem also find a solution to the problem.
Cam Cameron/Manager of the offense probably describe the problems of the offense and which came to Jim Zorn getting fired and the offense linemen coach being fired.I dont think Cam Cameron is a bad offensive coach he probably one of the best in the league I mean if it wasnt for him we wouldnt be talking about the three headed monster,unbalance line, suggs package/wildcat,I mean he even has to think leron Mcclain for even giving him a chance to be a full time running back two years and also getting to the pro bowl.
I know the offense was frustrating to watch this season but we still was 12-4 and went to the playoffs now if we can do that without living up to our true potentials then imagine when we gets things straight and fix
I have no problems with how we performed as a whole on the season
The record spoke for itself.
However, as I mentioned, if every part of the offense is doing horrible then you have to immediately attribute that to a crappy manager of the offense. These issues weren’t there last year or the year previous to that, and I really don’t think Gaither being out was the downfall to our entire offense.
So blaming the QB coach (arguably the best and most consistent piece of the offense last year) and the O-line coach seems a little weird when the RBs did horribly all year long (if I see that Jamal Lewis stutter before they get to the line again, I will flip out) and the WRs were piss poor at best (no effort in coming back to the ball, mediocre route running from some of the top route runners in the league prior to this year, and butterfingers all the way around the WR group).
Why is every aspect of the offense failing, but the main guy in charge of that part of the game isn’t canned?
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 29, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I still just think its chemistry overall that was wrong with this offense you
cant just cant take away Mark Clayton, Jared Gaither or what ever player that was on this team in 2009 and think overall its going to be automatic chemistry with what ever better talent you replace them with if this was Madden then yeah. Ray Lewis even said something like that when the defense wasnt playing good and the reporter ask him why the defense wasnt playing like they should and he respond with the simple fact that we had new players on this team and we have to work on the chemistry to play as a team defense also the fact that bringing in new talent to go with other talent takes time to come together to perform what we call a good defense
Jazz,
Reading all this info about Cam, I find some faults in all of it.
He is credited with guiding quarterback Gus Frerotte to his only Pro Bowl appearance in 1997
The season in which Frerotte only had 2,682 on the season. The season in which his completion percentage was a measly 50.7. The season that saw Frerrotte have a rating of 73.8 on the entire season. He was named to the ProBowl solely because he was in the NFC and they didnt have any good QBs at the time.
played a key role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green…..Cameron had the opportunity to work with Pro Bowl quarterbacks Drew Brees and Philip Rivers
Trent Green, Brees and Rivers all are top notch, Pro Bowl QBs throughout their careers even after Cam is no longer around them. As a matter of fact, all of them had much better years after Cam left town.
In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history.
This isnt really because of Cam. The team had a phenominal defense that ended the season with a +15 turnover differential. Its easy to score points when you have short field. To prove this point, Brees had one of his worst years with only 3,159 yards on the season, LT had a mediocre year with 1,335 yards on the season for a measly 3.9 ypc average. Cam was able to implement a West Coast offensive scheme that played well on having a great defense that was able to give the offense a short field.
Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year
I think it is widely known that SI really doesn’t actually know very much about sports in general and really rely on that smoking hot bikini issue to fund each year. Peter King (the magazine’s pride and joy) is regarded in the industry as an absolute putz and suck up with absolutely no knowledge of Xs and O’s. Having this achievement is the equivalent to a player saying that they were the best that year by whether they got on the front of Madden (Hello Vince Young!)
I think Cam is a very good OC, but ultimately has received a lot of accolades that were circumstantial and due to players he interacted with just being good players in general. I don’t think anything he told Brees, Rivers or Green made them into the stars they ultimately became, they were just top notch talent surrounded with other good talent.
Either way, this league is one of “what have you done lately”…. well lately he has done 22nd (2010), 13th (2009), 18th (2008) in team offense. Those are Matt Cavanugh numbers…. No I mean seriously (21st in 2003, 14th in 2001, 16th in 2000).
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 29, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt know that but thats what the info said lol and im still sure Cam Cameron will
make things better for this offense well Im sure the whole offensive staff will make things better for this offense
Rice fumbles and all these guys get thrown under the bus. If Rice holds onto the ball we win. We face the Jets at home and dominate Sanchez. We are on cloud nine this week heading into the SB…with Cam, Flacco and Zorn. Loses to Pitt tend to dictate our feelings about the entire season. Important games yes, but let’s put it in perspective and realize that we won 13 games and lost 5. 2 to Pitt. Okay, so we don’t have a fomrula for 1 team. We have 90% of the league fiugured out. When we needed a load of points to beat the Texans we got it. When our D let us down we had enough points to squeek it out.
All in all, we have a good team heading into next year. Cam called the right plays in the playoffs. I questioned some of the runs within the ten but, hey, we were up 21-7 before the PLAYERS through their season away. By no means should Flacco and Cam be held responsible for that loss. No way.
Exactly. The PLAYERS lost that game for us, not the coaches.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
Come on, you can’t blame Rice for his first fumble in something like 450 carries. That is an insane stat to have.
As a whole, everything lost that game for us. We played lights out against Pitt for 30 minutes (like we have done for most of the season) and the playcalling and execution just sucked it up for the other 30 minutes. I blame the players and the coaches for the poor decisions and poor execution.
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 28, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I can actually.
Just because he hasn’t fumbled, doesn’t mean he shouldn’t tuck the ball away, especially in the middle of the field. Watch the fumble again, he swings the ball away from his body. So, again, I will blame Ray Rice. For his fumble, not for the loss.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 29, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry I meant
Blame Rice for the loss solely for that fumble.
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 29, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
ray rice fumbling that ball is all on him it doesn't matter that he didnt fumble in the regular
season and when he did fumble the ball it cost us the game
That fumble didn't cost us the game.
The fumble gave the Steelers good field position, which they cashed in on to draw within 7. Up 21-14, the Ravens offense decided it had played enough this season. While Rice’s fumble may have shifted momentum, it was only one part of our loss.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Jan 29, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m ready for next year. Our big pick last year was Kindle. Freakishly, he got hurt. At that point you can’t exactly run out and grab another guy. His youth and strength would have helped with pressure by mid season. Our loses were all very close and I have to think if Kindle performed 1/2 of Suggs year it might have made a big difference. Sorry to see that Kruger never really took off. Not sure what the problem is there. Maybe size?
Just gotta give it time. We all love seeing rookies and 2nd year players we drafted impact the games right away, but sometimes it takes them a little longer. Kruger will become a good player, he just needs to work a little more. Playing either lines of scrimmage I have heard is the hardest thing to translate to from college to the pros according to many scouts. The OL in the NFL has such better technique and elite strength compared to college that it is so tough to come in and be productive right away. It just comes down to technique because we have seen flashes of a great player from Kruger at times.
With Kindle, it is up int he air right now. If we find out he won’t be able to help us next year, I am all for going out and getting a guy like Von Miller if possible or Justin Houston from Georgia to help out the pass rush. In a 3-4 system, the position that usually needs to be upgraded when talking about pass rush is OLB and while Jarrett is great for us, he does everything well except rush the passer. That isn’t a knock on him and me saying he shouldn’t start, but some sort of rotation should be used. I was upset we got rid of Barnes because he had some beastly games for SD and I really thought he could have helped.
As of right now, everyone wants Kindle to be the guy, even the coaches and front office said so and they know what he can do on the football field. So here is to praying he can get his shit together and get back to full strength….cheers.
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
you right Kruger may not have had many sacks but I have seen him getting to the
quarterback adding some pressure he just didnt get their fast enough for the sack. I think it would be cool if the Ravens draft Von Miller that man is a beast and if Sergio Kindle can get better then that would be even better.
Joe is not happy about this.
“I also feel like a little bit like I’m being attacked,” Flacco told the Carroll County Times on Saturday. “You fire the quarterback coach. Usually when your fire a position coach, it’s because you’re not really happy with how that position did. And when I look back on my season and our season as a team, I mean, we won 13 games. I felt like I had a pretty good year and you’re firing the quarterback coach? It’s kind of an attack on me, I feel like.”
“I’m not happy about it,” Flacco added about Zorn’s firing. “They know that I’m not happy about it. It’s not news to them. … I’m not going to be happy about it, for a long time. This year will be what it is. We’re going to be successful this year. I would have just liked him to be a part of it. He would have liked to be a part of it. And I think it would have been good for him to be a part of it.”
“I’m disappointed and they know I’m disappointed,” Flacco told the Times. "I don’t think it was a good decision, and they know that. I expressed that throughout the whole time it was going on, I expressed how much I didn’t think it would be good for us. My opinion isn’t going to change.
“I think Jim was a great coach, I think he was great for our team. I think he was great for me. That’s how I feel about it.”
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
yikes
"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco
I get that he isn’t happy about it, but he really goes out of his way to make that perfectly clear. To be perfectly honest, his point about it being an attack on him is very accurate. I don’t think it is an attack against him, but a desperate coaching staff clawing to find scapegoats where possible and Joe certainly feels slighted by that, as he should. Joe didn’t cost us the game and was pretty solid all season while not having an effective ground game, WRs that couldn’t get open or catch, and an O-line that couldn’t block a cupcake.
It almost seems like he would much rather have Cam gone instead and after the comments from the players all season, I think they feel the same way. This may be the start of a nasty little controversy this next season and some serious discord in the locker room.
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 29, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think its more of the ravens fans wanting Cam Cameron gone instead of the players
them self I mean Im sure they get frustrated with him sometimes but what player doesnt get frustrated at times with their coach decision. I think ravens fans were just wanting the offense with explosion/fireworks play calling we seen some of it at times but I still think overall the problem was that the players didnt have consistent chemistry with each other and they need to work on that.
I know somebody may disagree with me but if Cam Cameron play calling is solely the reason why the offense didnt perform well at times then why when we played the Atlanta Falcons when Anquan Boldin was yelling at the offensive players telling them to play better they start playing better. I keep hearing how Cam Cameron is holding this offense back but how is that when you have Flacco not seeing the so called slow wide outs, wide open offensive linemen lettiing defensive players run right by them to sack Joe Flacco, and etc.
Cam Cameron does take blame for the offense let downs and im sure he is aware of it becuase he should of came with better ways to use all of his offensive weapons but it is what it is. Im sure the Ravens will work on this problem like they did with working on stopping from making lots of penalties like in 2009.
I dont think think that our wideouts we had were slow to point they wasnt getting open and I honestly think that Joe flacco just was not seeing the open wideouts like he should which he has done many times this season.Joe Flacco has to get better with his awareness and maybe Cam Cameron see this thinking he can provide better help I mean he did help develop Trent Green and other quarterbacks to be successful in this league
Up 21-7 before our turnover fiesta.
Up on Pitt earlier in the season before Flacco fumble and the short arm bounce pass to Dickson.
Up on Atlanta with nice go ahead drive before 40 second D melt down.
Too many people shared in the loses to fire even 1 man. I believe it came down to hearts and smarts and we just didn’t have the guts to finish. Bruce correctly pointed out before that it seemed whether we held a lead or not the D would have an eventual let down. It happened in many games this year. We let everyone back in by the 4th quarter.
The D seems to be getting a pass as we tear apart the O. The D seemed to give up after every turnover against Pitt and the Steelers scored easily in our red zone. It was if the D had it in their heads that the field position was not their fault and approached the situation with 1/2 a heart. They could have made a stop to stem the momentum but they got rolled…quickly.
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