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Did Aaron Rodgers Benefit By Sitting On Bench Behind Favre?

Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers was considered to be one of the top two QB's in the 2005 NFL Draft and could have easily have been the #1 overall selection, coming out of the University of California. Instead, the San Francisco 49ers decided to pick Utah's Alex Smith with the first pick and left Rodgers on the board until the Green Bay Packers picked him with the 24th overall selection of the first round. Rodgers sat behind legendary Brett Favre for his first three years in the league, getting into a grand total of seven games, throwing only 59 passes, completing 35 for 329 yards, one TD and one interception.

Not much of a resume in the NFL over three years, but understandable considering who he was behind on the  depth chart. Three years ago, Brett Favre either retired, was released or whatever, but now was gone and Rodgers stepped into the starting role. Three years later, he is considered one of the top QB's in the game and is leading his team into the Super Bowl against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The point is, he has played roughly the same amount of games in three starting season as the Baltimore Ravens' QB, Joe Flacco. Is the difference between the two attributable to his three year  "internship" behind Favre?

(Click on the 'Jump'to see the statistical comparison between Rodgers and Flacco)

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In both QB's NFL regular season careers, Rodgers has played in 54 games while Flacco has started all 48 regular season games since being drafted by the Ravens in 2008. That's where the similarities between the two begin to split. However, the gap is not nearly as much as one might have expected, although Rodgers has clearly put up more prolific numbers over the course of his career.

Let's look at their career numbers:

Player        Games   ATT     COMP  PCT    Yards   TD  INT   Rating

Rodgers       54       1,611   1,038   64.4   12,723   87   32     98.4

Flacco           48       1,416      878   62.0   10,206   60   34     87.9

Take out those seven games that Rodgers played in over his first three years before becoming the full-time starter and the stats look like this:

Player        Games   ATT    COMP   PCT   Yards   TD   INT  

Rodgers       47       1,552   1,033    66.6  12,394   86   31 

Flacco           48       1,416      878    62.0  10,206   60   34

Now we see an even more similar comparison, with Rodgers stats still overshadowing Flacco's in all areas, however none more impressive than in the TD passes category. The stats bear out the difference between what at least was a run-first offense (Ravens) versus a pass-first mentality (Packers) over the course of their starting careers. Also significant is the fact that Rodgers threw 136 more passes, yet threw one less interception than Flacco.

Compare their 2010 regular season stats:

Player      Games   ATT    COMP    PCT   Yards   TD   INT    Rating

Rodgers     15        475      312       65.7   3,922    28   11      101.2

Flacco         16        489      306       62.6   3,622    25   10        93.6

Not a huge difference over the course of the year, other than the overall QB Rating. However, Flacco played the entire regular season while Rodgers missed one game, which most likely would have increased the separation between the two had he played like his "normal" self.

At this point, it's obviously ludicrous to even try to compare the two QB's as Aaron Rodgers is by far the more accomplished passer and is in this year's Super Bowl, although Joe Flacco has played in more career playoff games over the past three years. However, as stated in the title of this post, the question remains as to what benefit would Flacco have realized had he had the opportunity to stand on the sidelines and learn the system, speed and intangibles of the pro game behind a standout veteran QB, such as the late Steve McNair, had he continued to be a proficient QB into Flacco's early years?

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I don’t really think Rodgers is any better than Flacco (or he is at the most, a tiny bit better).

If you watched the NFC Chamionship game, you saw that Rodgers made numerous bad throws that he shouldn’t have made, just as you would see Flacco make. The biggest difference that I saw, was that the team allows him to actually throw the ball. Rodgers doesn’t seem to have the giant leash that Flacco has when it comes to the offensive playcalling throughout a game.

Now looking at the career stats for both QBs that you posted, the gap isn’t as big as some of you would expect. You also have to keep in mind that Rodgers hasn’t had the best running game in the league during his seasons, so he gets the chance to air it out a little more. Plus he has had Jennings and Driver throughout his career so far, and that can really help the maturation of a QB when you have stability in your targets.

I think the biggest difference between them is the OC calling the plays. As we all know, Cam seems to turn down the heat in the second half of games and limits what Flacco can do. If we can get that leash taken off next year (and actually have an offensive line), I think you will start to see his numbers get even closer and then surpass Rodgers within the year.

by Mstevens_Design on Jan 26, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

Rodgers is so much more advanced

He has control of the game, the huddle, uses his legs to extend plays and seems to have slowed the game down in his mind to get it done. Oh yeah, he has something like six solid wideouts that can all catch and stretch the field, which certainly helps!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 26, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

He has control of the game, the huddle, uses his legs to extend plays and seems to have slowed the game down in his mind to get it done.

This same statement could be said for Flacco as well. He has as much command of the offense and the game itself as the coaches are willing to let him have. Again, if he was able to call the shots more, I think his numbers would improve.

by Mstevens_Design on Jan 26, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, they haven't

and therefore he can’t and doesn’t.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 26, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I wouldn’t say that the Bears game was a fair snapshot of what Rodgers can do. The Bears always seem to have his number.

I also wouldn’t say that game in ATL was a fair snapshot either. He was insane that day. But then again, he did take over the entire game, which is something I don’t think Flacco is capable of yet.

by AaronR on Jan 28, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I would say Rodgers is better up to this point becuase Joe Flacco didnt have

A quarterback like Brett Favre to Mentor him when he first came to the Nfl. I would say now this year and last year he had a good Mentor from Marc Bulger which i hope the Ravens re-sign to help with Joe Flacco growth as a quarterback. I think it would be in a best interest if Marc Bulger comes back and given a chance to battle it out with Joe Flacco for the starting quarterback postion

by jazz20 on Jan 26, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

If Bulger is brought back,

there won’t be a “battle” as Flacco is the starter here and will be until he is hurt or retires.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 26, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's the mentoring at all

I think that, IF, Rodgers is better than Flacco at this point, it’s because he went into an offense already set up for the style of play – solid O-Line used to protecting the QB for as long as it took, wide receivers used to being thrown to and used to catching and playcalling that actually takes advantages of the QBs strengths, not tries to turn him into something he’s not. Flacco had none of that coming in here – O-Line used to blocking just long enough for Rag-arm McNair to give a mighty grunt and throw it less than 10 yards or Crazy-Legs Boller to take off running for the sidelines. Receivers who’d never actually had to make a catch in their careers. The only constant is the horrible Billick/Cavanaugh play calling replaced by the horrible Cameron playcalling.

Sure, would Flacco have benefited from sitting for a while and observing? Normally I’d say yes. But who and what the hell would he have observed? McNair’s dying swans? Boller’s wild overthrows? How about Troy Smith’s running? Yeah, that would have helped him…

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Jan 26, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Sometimes, that might teach you what NOT to do

just like someof Favre’s antics were mind-boggling as well.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 26, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Bulger's experience at running an offense.

You saw what happened to the Titans in 08 having Kerry Collins starting over Vince Young. If they didn’t fuck up against us like we just did against the Steelers in the play offs they would have made it to the super bowl.

by TheShadow on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You saw what happened to the Titans in 08 having Kerry Collins starting over Vince Young.

Awesome example. If it worked for Collins and the Titans, it will definitely work for Bulger and the Ravens.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jan 27, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t figure out if this was sarcasm or an honest opinion?

by purpleonblack86 on Jan 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope

that was extreme sarcasm. I imagine it was.

"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."

"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 27, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a safe bet.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jan 27, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite kind.

"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."

"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH

by organizedchaos52 on Jan 28, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

During the offseason...

it might be worth having a 1-on-1, comparative analysis of all of Flacco’s contemporaries drafted and starting within a year or two of him. Although this limitation (2 years or less) excludes top end guys like Brees, P. Manning, and Brady, we can include Roethlisberger, Rivers, Cutler, Sanchez, Stafford, Rodgers, Vince Young, Orton, Romo, Ryan (although this is done almost daily), Freeman, and Bradford.

Overall, however, it is tough to compare quarterbacks, as they have different coaching styles, play in different systems, and different talent levels (even though comparing “talent” is a personal pet peeve of mine – all of the talent in the world doesn’t mean a thing unless it translates to sustained, on-field success.)

I’m wondering if putting together some kind of point system to award each QB based on certain designated categories wouldn’t give us a reasonable place to start:

- a few key statistics
- durability (games played vs. games missed, etc)
- turnovers (including fumbles lost)
- game-winning drives
- game-clinching turnovers or inability to convert
- 2-minute success (possibly assigning double points to the QBs statistics and turnovers for those registered within the last 2 minutes of each half)

Who knows, it might be something to work on before camp starts in the summer.

by OldBay83 on Jan 26, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Wins are irrelevant

as that is as much a factor of the other 52 guys on the roster. Case in point: Trent Dilfer (oh no, here we go again!).

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jan 27, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are you talking to? OldBay83 didn’t mention wins as a possible criterion for evaluation.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jan 27, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

and for this reason...

I excluded wins as a category. The poster below is right, rushing stats should b considered for a QB. It adds a dimension to Rodgers’ game that most others lack – though I think Joe Flacco possesses an ability to open things up by scrambling. He’s not Aaron Rodgers fast, but he’s definately not Peyton Manning slow/awkward. I thought Flacco’s scrambling in his rookie year was an asset. Maybe the Ravens offensive Fuhrer disallowed it.

by OldBay83 on Jan 28, 2011 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

First off I am a Flacco supporter, however I do not think we can compare him to Rodgers. Rodgers is probably a top 3 or 4 qb in this league right now and Flacco isn’t there yet. The passing stats clearly show Rodgers in favor of Flacco and not to mention he had 2 concussions this season. Also when it comes to maneuvering around the pocket and making plays that way it’s not even close (although Flacco is getting better). Flacco is definitely improving and hopefully on his way there, but personally I think it’s crazy at this stage in their careers to say Flacco is on Rodgers level.

by AV23 on Jan 27, 2011 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

As one of Flacco’s more vocal supporters here, I have to say that I support this message.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry forgot to hit reply but this was directed at Mstevens_Design comments.

by AV23 on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

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