Ravens trade LB Antwan Barnes to Eagles for a 2011 draft pick. First official move of the day.
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Yeah I’m a bit confused by this move as well. With Kindle out can we really afford to lose a good another good pass rusher?
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by StuckInUtah on Sep 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s not worth keeping a guy like Barnes as a backup/situational pass-rusher. He would start for almost any team but the Ravens.
The compensation you can receive versus the contribution is the reason they traded him. I’m guessing they (at least) recovered the pick from the Wilson trade. I would be surprised at all if they did better.
McClain has backed up Suggs in the past. Even if we had kept Barnes, McClain probably would have been the primary guy filling in for Suggs. Let’s not forget that the Ravens do not play their OLB’s as pure pass-rushers. They need to be able to set the edge against the run, and as good as Barnes was at pass-rushing, he was not very good against the run.
Therefore, the Ravens probably would have used McClain at OLB and had Gooden and Ellerbe cover the ILB position even if Barnes was on the roster. That’s the beauty of have so many young, versatile linebackers. Really, Barnes was the only pure pass-rusher. Maybe that’s why the Ravens were comfortable with trading him.
So
has Ellerbe taken back the MLB spot next to Ray?
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by organizedchaos52 on Sep 4, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Been away for a week or so, unsure what happened while I was gone. Except for Ellerbe celebrating early. That I saw.
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by organizedchaos52 on Sep 4, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What Harbs has said...
is that they’re pretty much going to use Ellerbe, McClain, and Gooden based on the situation they’re in to fill the hole next to Ray with whoever has the best skill set for the formation and play they’re using.
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by Christopher Atwood on Sep 4, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
just read that transcript. I’m about 5 days behind in terms of the sports world.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 4, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries
Just spreading the knowledge to my fellow Ravens fan :)
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by Christopher Atwood on Sep 4, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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Whatever, man. I liked Barnes, but what did he really ever do as a Raven? He was a situational pass-rusher and never really fit the Ravens’ mold as an OLB. He just isn’t strong enough against the run to be a full-time, every-down guy.
I admit that I was hoping he would develop into something special, but realistically, that wasn’t ever going to happen in Baltimore. I’m glad the Ravens got something for him while they could. Good luck in Philly, Antwan!
WTF?
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by StuckInUtah on Sep 4, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow - surprised
Barnes was a solid pass rusher who always seemed to find his way to the opponent’s QB. Thought Edgar Jones would go before him. Good news for Prescott Burgess, Jason Phillips and others, though.
aka 'Rexx'
Screw Prescott. Get him outta here. And Phillips is a MLB. We really have no one behind Suggs now. Albery McClellan or whatever his name is. That’s it? Maybe sign Adalius?
I wouldn’t mind seeing Adalius in Purple & Black again.
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by StuckInUtah on Sep 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Heard he didn't
get along with Ray too well. They’ve had some words since his departure
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/10/25/thomas_ravin_mad_at_lewis/
Chill out, man. Ozzie knows what he’s doing… especially with linebackers. We haven’t been screwed yet.
Barnes was good to be sure, but the future of the team is on Ozzie’s shoulders… not ours. That’s way more important than any player.
But I guess think about it this way.
We traded Barnes for Wilson, which isn’t too bad of a deal. We were all debating a guy like Barnes for a CB.
Yea, I say a conditional 4th with it dropping down to a 3rd based on Barnes tearing it up, which I think he will do. They got some serious speed on the edges with Barnes and their rookie.
I wouldn’t mind bringing Adalius back, finish off his career as a Raven.
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by Zachary Beard on Sep 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll wait and see what we get in return before I form an opinion.
This does hurt our pass rush though.
It has to be at least a 4th round pick, because that is what Barnes was for us and has only increased his value. I am thinking a conditional 4th.
It'll probably end up being worth it.
What’s the latest on Kindle? Are most just assuming he won’t be available for us this season?
Hope it was a high pick
We are crowded at LB but I’d rather have released a guy like Burgess than trade Barnes for a trash pick.
Are you kidding me? Ozzie is a master at drafting good players. If anything we just got better.
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by Zachary Beard on Sep 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That I agree with Ozzie being an incredible drafter
but I’ve heard 7th round and there is really not much you can do with that even you are the guy that bent Denver over a table without consent a few months ago.
So a 3rd, 4th, or 5th?
Because If he went for anything less then that, we just got screwed.
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I doubt a 5th. Barnes was a 4th round pick and has only shown promise since then. Has to be atleast a 4th.
A 3rd would be nice. Becuase 2-3 rounds is where Ozzie makes his magic.
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by Zachary Beard on Sep 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
no way in hell
we got a 3rd for him. likely a 5th., maybe conditional 4th.
then again, youre the same guy who would have given a 2nd rounder for Wilson.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Sep 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
When did I say that?
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by Zachary Beard on Sep 5, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
From ESPN
Barnes, a fourth round selection in 2007, said on his Twitter page, “Woooooooo……..I had a good run in Baltimore……thank everyone for your support……its a new beginning and I’m ready to be a eagle…”
an Eagle*
This is why players like us
we treat our players very fairly. We gave Antwan his shot, he couldn’t fit in, so we let him to go a team where he could further his career. Players notice this stuff in FA and also when negotiating rookie contracts. We’re a great team to play for at any point in your career.
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Who knew the latter half of the preseason would be so exciting. I think it’s at these times franchises make the most definitive decisions. In our case, the decisions all seemed to be made at the right time.
Kevin Byrne’s article on Baltimoreravens.com describes how the Wilson deal has been in the making since before the draft. They just don’t make any desperation moves (i.e. Antonio Bryant), and they stay away from situations where they’d need to (i.e. Terrell Owens). I think it all has to do with patience and knowing how the NFL system works. The Ravens do it as good as anyone.
Does anyone else have another source backing up the 7th round pick? Because that just seems incredibly wrong.
Everyone is reporting it now. ESPN, Adam Caplan of Scout.com, eagle beat writers
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Damn. I guess he was gonna be outright cut and this was the best deal? Oh well. I’m sure the Wizard of Oz will work some of his magic before this day is done.
Hopefully they know something positive about Sergio Kindle that we don’t know.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He may come back
I know we don’t want to risk his overall health, but I think he might end up going on the PUP.
Strike that, I’m sure this has come up before on here but I forgot; how does Kindle count against our 53 man roster since he’s not signed? We just hold the rights for him so nothing right? At least until we sign him?
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by Christopher Atwood on Sep 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Kindle has not signed a contract with the Ravens, who exclusively hold his rights. This situation isn’t all that different from an extended rookie hold-out, like Crabtree last season. Kindle doesn’t count against the 53 man roster yet. My guess is that they plan on releasing Jones or Burgess when Kindle signs and joins the team.
It’s in the best interest of the Ravens and Kindle to get a contract signed. If the Ravens don’t sign him, he’ll go back into the pool of players to be drafted next year and their draft pick is forfeited. That would be bad news for Kindle too because it would be highly unlikely for him to be drafted any higher than the second round next year and he would receive no compensation at all for this year. Basically, a contract will be signed once both parties agree to the amount of the contract, which will be less due to the off-season incident.
Don't worry
I’m betting he gets signed soon, Kindle has already mentioned on his Twitter (of course that depends how reliable you consider that) that he’s been assigned a Jersey Number so I’d better we hear about him getting signed shortly.
However, they may also wait until he’s fully recovered from his fall so that when he joins the roster he’s ready to practice and participate on the field.
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by Christopher Atwood on Sep 4, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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