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Predicting the Ravens Roster

By Saturday, the Baltimore Ravens, along with the rest of the league must get down to the regular season maximum of 53 men on the roster. This means up to 22 guys who have worked their butts off through the summer heat will be looking for jobs. Some will get picked up by other teams but most will go home and try to find a job paying a lot less than what they expected to earn as NFL players.

So who makes the Ravens 53 man roster? Understand that with the other teams releasing players, this may not end up being the same 53 guys who start the season for the Ravens. In addition what players will be re-signed onto the team's Practice Squad, which still exposes them to being grabbed by other teams at any point. There also is the possibility that a few players are put in the Injured Reserve (IR) List, which ends their 2010 season but keeps them Ravens for at least the next year. They get their full 2010 salary but cannot play at any point this season. Finally there are the guys on the PUP List, who are not counted in the 53 man roster and do not have to be decided upon until after the sixth regular season game.

Let's take a look by position at the guys who are definitely in and those on the proverbial bubble:

Star-divide

QB: Joe Flacco, Marc Bulger - Bubble: Troy Smith

RB: Ray Rice, Willis McGahee, LeRon McClain - Bubble: Jalen Parmele

WR: Anquan Boldin, Derrick Mason, Mark Clayton, Demetrius Williams - Bubble: David Reed, Marcus Smith

TE: Todd Heap, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta - Bubble: Davon Drew

OL: Michael Oher, Ben Grubbs, Matt Birk, Marshal Yanda, Jared Gaither, Chris Chester, Oniel Cousins - Bubble: Joe Reitz, Tony Moll, David Hale, Ramon Harewood

DL: Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Terrence Cody, Trevor Pryce, Cory Redding, Paul Kruger - Bubble: Brandon McKinney, Kelly Talavou, Arthur Jones, Lamar Divens

LB: Ray Lewis, Jarret Johnson, Terrell Suggs, Dannell Ellerbe, Jameel McClain, Tavares Gooden, Antwan Barnes - Bubble: Jason Phillips, Prescott Burgess

CB: Fabian Washington, Chris Carr, Josh Wilson, Lardarius Webb - Bubble: Travis Fisher, Prince Miller, Cary Williams, K.J. Gerard

S: Dawan Landry, Tom Zbikowski, Haruki Nakamura, Ken Hamlin

ST: Morgan Cox, Sam Koch, Shayne Graham/Billy Cundiff

That's 43 players definitely on the roster and ten spots remaining. For those ten spots, I have a total of 19 guys on the bubble. Troy Smith makes it, in my opinion, as the team needs three QB's on the roster. So does RB Jalen Parmele, as he is a solid kickoff returner and four RB's on the roster is no big deal. Marcus Smith makes it not as much as a wide receiver, but as a Special Teams player. David Reed might make the squad as well, but would be hard to hide from other teams on the Practice Squad. On the offensive line, I believe the team will IR Ramon Harewood and I see Tony Moll and David Hale making the roster.

On the defensive side of the ball, I believe that Kelly Talavou and Brandon McKinney make the roster, with Lamar Divens and Arthur Jones attempted to be hidden on the Practice Squad. Linebackers have always been a deep unit for the team and there is no way to keep everyone, so Jason Phillips earns a spot while Prescott Burgess is unfortunately released. That leaves two positions for defensive backs and my opinion is that Cary Williams and Travis Fisher get the nod, which means that Prince Miller and K.J. Gerard are stashed on the Practice Squad or released. 

That all adds up to 53 total players, not including anyone that is placed on the PUP List. I believe that Ed Reed will be on that list and when he is ready to return, as will be Donte Stallworth at some point, additional moves will have to be made. I could also see the Ravens keeping David Reed and not Travis Fisher.

What's your thoughts and comments? 

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Cary Williams

Since he is suspended the first two games, I don’t think he counts as a roster spot until Week 3. I’ve been trying to find the NFL rule – does anyone know for sure?

As for DB’s, neither Williams, Fisher or Miller made a case for getting the CB spot. Williams was getting torched. Hamlin’s lack of tackling made a good case for getting cut. If Williams doesn’t count against the 53, I think Fisher makes it by default. Then it’s a pick ‘em for Week 3. And I guess we hang onto Hamlin until Reed returns. But I won’t be too surprised if we still add someone else at DB cut by another team instead.

Elsewhere on defense, I agree Jones goes to PS and no other team looking at this game film will be tempted to put him on their 53. Phillips over Burgess for ST but he sure didn’t help himself.

Agree with your offense picks. I really want to keep David Reed, but as I have been reminded here more than a few times, it’s tough to keep 6 WR so he’ll go to PS.

QB – they keep Troy.

K – tough call but I think Cundiff has one it on merit.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I pretty sure it still costs a roster spot if we keep Cary Williams.

Bruce, you have Demetrius making the team? Not even on the bubble? I say let him go. Keep Marcus and David instead. Demetrius is an injury waiting to happen.

Phillips looks decent. I hope he makes the team.

Cundiff doesn’t have the demons that Graham has. Keep Cundiff.

by BmoreBlitz on Sep 3, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Phillips looked like a huge liability in pass coverage. He blew coverage more than a couple of times yesterday.

by SibiGnana on Sep 3, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Each of our LB look like a huge liability in pass coverage.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad but true

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cary Williams does not count against the 53 ...

while serving his suspension according to Sunpapers Jamison Hensley.

But then again he has 7 WR making the 53.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that includes Stallworth.

Not sure why he does not list him as PUP.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t PUP list someone unless they’ve been on it from the start of training camp.

by BmoreBlitz on Sep 3, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification

The PUP rule is confusing. A lot of us have been making 53-man rosters exluding Stallworth thinking he starts the season on PUP. But as you correctly noted, PUP is not an option. He has to either be put on IR and miss the entire season, waived/injured, or put on the 53-man roster. Here’s the best PUP rule summary I found:

PUP rules:
 
•A player has to be placed on Active PUP before he begins training camp.
•A player on Active PUP can be removed from the list at any time during camp.
•A player on Active PUP counts against the league mandated roster limit (currently 80).
And one of the most important rules, a player must be on Active PUP in order to be considered for Reserve PUP.

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.
 

•Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.
•Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.
•Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.
If a player is activated off the Reserve PUP following Week 6, a roster move is required to make room .

Active PUP is typically a hedge against the possibility that the player won’t be ready to go during the first few weeks of the regular season.

If a player starts training camp healthy but gets hurt during camp or preseason, there is no Active PUP option.

In that situation, the team will have to decide whether to keep the player on the 53 and let him heal, put him on waived-injured status, or if the team wants to keep the player and if the injury is serious enough, put him on IR at the beginning of the season and hope for better things in the future.

Now I have to revise my roster again.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moll, Hale and Cary Williams are locks. I believe Phillips to be a lock too. Demitrius is far from a lock; he has shown nothing more than Reed and Smith, and he is due 1.176 million this year.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Sep 3, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

With Donte out for a while

I think all three (D-Will, Smith, Reed) stand a decent chane on making the team. We’ll see. The corners looked lost out there last nite and none helped themselves.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Sep 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm thinking Reed makes it

Just as a bet on his upside and some special teams appearances.

Not sure we need that many WR though. Donte will be back eventually.

by Roa on Sep 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

all 3 means carrying 6 wr, which is a waste of a spot, since the #5 guy will barely get used.

It is a possibility we might go with 6 if we cut Troy Smith, but I think there is more value at keeping a player who would be snatched up if we drop him, ie. our D-line depth.

I would rather keep McKinney, Talavou, and Arthur Jones, even though it feels like overkill to keep 9 d-lineman, instead of 6 wr, because these are all players with upside who are looking very good.

we are fine with 5 wr, plus stallworth coming back, not to mention that ray rice and our 3 te’s will be targeted alot also. davon drew has actually looked better than some of the wr in this discussion, and i would personally rather keep him also.

moll and hale are locks due to our o-line problems and injuries, plus cousins unreliability. Moll has looked solid in games 2 and 3 of the preseason, especially game 3 against the pass rush happy giants.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Sep 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troy is gone...

Not happy but reality says we need the roster spot and in the event that our QB’s both get hurt Troy is not that much better than a released player we pick up off the street. Which may be Troy himself as we have not seen any team express any interest in him. If Joe and Marc are both out we are done anyway so why not keep a position player that can help us win. Maybe give us the luxury of keeping Ed Reed on the 53. The coaches will be weighing this question… Would you rather have Ed Reed maybe be available for a few extra games or have Troy as 3rd string? If you want the ring you have to roll the dice. Look for us to add a corner some team tries to sneak onto their practice squad or is released. There will be better players than Williams or Fisher available.

by Monkey C on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Graham or Cundiff??

Looks to me that you have Graham riding on his track record (don’t forget the misses) vs Cundiff who looks to be the better kicker right now. (stonger on KOs and a slight edge on FGs) I think this has been the first time Cundiff has had an offseason with a team and he looks to have made the most of it. His KOs alone will make our D so much better. Drove me crazy for years watching the other team start on the 30, 40, 50 yard line. I hope the keep Cundiff. Just have a bad feeling that keeping a Cincy reject will come back to haunt us.

by Monkey C on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Cundiff’s bigger leg will be more valuable as a kickoff-er. Graham didn’t show he was noticeably more accurate, so kick power wins, just like in Madden.

by Keith R on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t surprised, but rather disappointed how poorly Troy played last night. Granted, he had all the backups up front and and Davon Drew blocking and trying to run routes. Good thing Troy can run.
David Hale – was he invisible all preseason? I wasn’t looking for him, but I noticed Chester at center and Reitz and Mattison in there next to him. I thought Hale was our future center.

I’d say Parmale is in, Troy is in, and M. Smith, D. Reed, Moll, Hale, Phillips and Cundiff make it. I’m thinking that they want to hang onto D. Williams, so M. Smith or D. Reed may be out, although I’d prefer to keep them both.

Did Fisher really make a good case for himself? The alternative is Miller or Williams, so I dunno.

by Keith R on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Hale’s got a serious Tail bone bruise. He may be IRed.

by BmoreBlitz on Sep 3, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Arthur Jones really played so poorly?

I’ve only been able to see parts of one Ravens game, but as a diehard ‘Cuse fan I’m rooting for him to make an impact. Is it a numbers game or is he just not playing up to snuff? I truly thought he was a steal for the 5th round.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

We have great depth at DL. He’ll be good in the future, but we have too much talent infront of him.

by BmoreBlitz on Sep 3, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

All you big supporters of D. Williams, with his cap hit of 1.076 million vs. Reed and Marcus Smith on rookie contracts, is Williams really shown he is better than them that it is worth keeping him?

I know, its an uncapped year, blah blah blah….. he sucks and is injury prone! face it.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Sep 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Smith/Reed > Williams

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going up Against

Other teams #1’s, right now, I think D-Will will have more success than Reed and probably Smith. Smith has his ST juice going for him so I would not be surprised if he somehow made the final 53 with Reed making the taxi squad (assuming nobody snatches him up i.e. Cleveland…)

by vlad755 on Sep 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

D. Williams is our only known deep threat depending on your opinion of Mark Clayton. If Stallworth wasn’t hurt, we wouldn’t even be talking about him.

 If David Reed showed more consistancy this preseason, I would agree with you. I liked the flashes I saw and I hope he makes the team. Marcus Smith brings ST skills, but in all honesty, our special teams won’t suffer without him.

by Mayne_Event on Sep 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when is D.Williams a known deep threat?

He has the potential to be a deep threat but in no way is “known” to be.

He should be cut. I’d rather have Smith, and even Reed.

by DT711 on Sep 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

With farther clarification on the PUP list rules, this arguement doesn’t matter. I no longer think he makes the roster… lets see how stupid I sound tomorrow lol.

by Mayne_Event on Sep 4, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with all your locks with the exceptions of Demetrius Williams and Ken Hamlin. Neither were all that impressive this preseason, yet both boast more experience than their competing counterparts.

Hamlin making the roster depends on what happens with Ed Reed. I just have a feeling that Ed will be playing week 1. I don’t like the idea of Ed coming back before he’s completely healthy, but Ed Reed does what he wants regardless of possibly bad outcomes. Never has anyone accused him of not trying hard, but there may be some that say he tries too hard.

Also, history states that the Ravens typically like to keep their drafted players under contract. I beleive David Reed will be and example of this. Arthur Jones and Ramon Harewood might shock a few of us tomorrow.

by Mayne_Event on Sep 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Arthur Jones and Ramon Harewood

Jones was getting pushed around pretty badly last night. I was rooting for him to step up and instead saw him losing most of the battles – especially when he had to move laterally. I think he needs some time to adjust and PS is a good way to go for him. On merit, no way he beats out Kelly Talavou and Brandon McKinney.

Harewood is even more of a project and we can’t afford a project on the 53, especially on the already thin O-line. He definitely makes PS though.

Agree Hamlin stays only until Reed returns – which for Ed’s sake I hope is not until after Week 6, unless he is closer to being in football shape than he is letting on.

I still think D-Will has earned a spot and Reed will be PS. What he does in games until then will determine if he survives when Stallworth returns.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw the Josh Wilson interview today. Liked this quote

This is a team that is going to do whatever it takes to get to the Superbowl and I want to be a part of that. If they want me to get back there and do kicks, I’ll score touchdowns that way

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta love that attitude

Can’t wait to see him play against the Jets and pick-6 Sanchez!

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Turk...

WR..I am keeping Reed and dumping M. Smith or Williams is to hurt to often and you can’t help if your not on the field,plus its cost effective.K…Cundiff stays,better kick offs and he did a fine last year.QB…Troy has to go.He has worked with that same group since he got here and last night was the best he could do.Plus,that last two minutes,was worst then bad with a chance to win the game.We were never going to get anything for him anyway.RB…Parmele,after that play last night and solid ST,he earned it.DL…McKinney OL…Moll,Harewood CB…Williams & Miller LB…Philips…AND ONE MORE THING..Since Seattle is such a generous trade partner,why not go for TJ Housmenzada imagine with Boldin , Mason, Heap .We don’t need to spread the field anymore then 20-30 yards,we need to catch everthing thrown,we would be impossible to stop…it’s just a thought,but I’m just saying!!!

by thomlord on Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Housh?

Has anyone seen him play.. is he the Housh we remember from a couple years ago or have his skills diminished?

by Evan Skev on Sep 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Housh

Ozzie, what do you think? Better than our current 3 or 4?

by BmoreBlitz on Sep 3, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, the Seahawks are making some very questionable moves. Wanting to get rid of Housh for Mike Williams? What is Pete Carroll thinking?

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't question Pete Carroll!

He has a very successful history of NFL coaching, Malor.

by mlb32001 on Sep 3, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea, him and the Patriots were a juggernaut….

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie likes. He's just looking for the right price.

Prediction: He signs with the Chargers. Ample opportunity for playing time and touches with the Jackson holdout. Adding TJ along with Crayton should give Rivers some comfort, though none protect his blindside.

by E-ROC on Sep 3, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chargers traded for Patrick Crayton today, so not sure if Housh would end up in SD.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My final 53

QB (3) – J Flacco, M Bulger, T Smith
RB (4) – R Rice, W McGahee, L McClain, J Parmele
WR (6) – D Mason, A Boldin, M Clayton, M Smith, D Williams, D Stallworth
TE (3) – T Heap, E Dickson, D Pitta
OL (9) – M Oher, B Grubbs, M Birk, M Yanda, O Cousins, J Gaither, T Moll
DL (8) – H Ngata, K Gregg, C Redding, K Talavou, B McKinney, T Cody, T Pryce, P Kruger
LB (9) – T Suggs, J McClain, R Lewis, J Johnson, A Barnes, D Ellerbe, T Gooden, J Phillips, E Jones
CB (4) – C Carr, F Washington, L Webb, J Wilson,
S (4) – D Landry, H Nakamura, T Zbikowski, K Hamlin,
P – S Koch
K – B Cundiff
LS – M Cox

Suspension – C. Williams
Reserve PUP – E. Reed, B Ayanbadejo
PS – D. Reed, R Harewood, C Steele, A Jones, P Miller

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I just don’t see us carrying only 4 CB’s on the active roster. I would drop a guy between Talavou/McKinney and Jones/Phillips. Maybe even ditch Troy.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 CB’s only for 2 weeks until Williams comes off suspension.

So who do you add?

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmm, not sure. Haven’t really looked into it too much, just doesn’t seem right to me.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about keeping Travis Fisher and cutting Phillips. It finally came down to ST and making that an elite unit. So Jones, Phillips, M. Smith all made it for ST contribution.

I kept both Talavou/McKinney until Cody gets back to full strength. Just feel that knee with his weight and position may take a few more weeks.

Thought long and hard about Troy. I know a lot of teams are only carrying two QB’s, but until the Ravens go that route the first time I hesitate to predict it. Plus Flacco likes Troy, so anything to keep Joe happy.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 3, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fisher, definitely not. I might consider Prince Miller on the 45 as a 5th CB.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

we went w/2 QBs in 2006. Boller and McNair

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Sep 4, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You only listed 7 of 9 on O-Line. I can only assume one of the missing was Chris Chester, but what about the other?

by Mayne_Event on Sep 4, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Chester and Hale

but with Hale now on IR, make it Harewood.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Sep 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

youre missing Chester and Gaither. Guess you will have to cut 1 guy after the barnes trade….

by Rayisyourdaddy on Sep 4, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason la confora reports ed reed heading to pup

by Raven_all_day on Sep 3, 2010 8:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Keep Troy I say

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Sep 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree about Fisher. I think Prince Miller makes the roster before Fisher does.

by BALT21 on Sep 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Prince is gone.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Sep 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yall gonna be sorry if Scary Cary and Depetridish Williams make the team. Scary can’t cover quick receivers. Might come in handy against a plodder with height. Depetridish is fragile and not worth dumping someone like Reed. Steele needs a spot as well. I like his second efforts and ability to bounce of an earn another 2-3 yards.

by raven on Sep 4, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Depetridish Williams

Wow, simply incredible.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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