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Ravens over Giants: 24-10

The Baltimore Ravens defeated the New York Giants 24-10 in the third preseason game for both teams. The starters went the entire first half and the score at halftime was 17-3, Ravens. It could have been worse as the Ravens were penalized just before halftime, taking them out of field goal range, courtesy of a Derrick Mason unsportsmanlike penalty. The Ravens were forced to punt instead and the Giants drove down the field for their only score of the first half via the field goal. The Giants added their final score  just before the game ended n a meaningless TD with just over a minute remaining.

Other than that, the Ravens offense clicked well under the direction of Joe Flacco, who threw for  well over 200 yards and two TD's with one errant interception. Todd Heap and Anquan Boldin were recipients of his TD passes and Heap was the team's leadng receiver with six catches. The offensive line was still a concern, as the Ravens QB's were sacked a total of five times, too many to continue into the regular season.

However, the first team seemed to be in sync and spread out the offense and the stats. The Giants were unable to muster much of a threat, as QB Eli Manning was constantly under pressure from the Ravens defensive front seven and blitzing secondary. Throghout the game, the one guy who got a ton of reps and made the most of them seemed to be safety Haruki Nakamura, who was all over the field making plays in both the secondary and rushing the QB, obviously completely healed from last season's broken ankle.

For the first time this preseason, the first string offense, led by Flacco, seemed to be clicking on all cylinders and with all the offensive weapons that Joe now has at his disposal, his choices appeared easy and limitless, as he spread the love around as well as the ball. The starters do not figure to get many reps next week, and the team looks to be ready for the opener on national TV as they visit the New York Jets' new stadium on Monday Night Football after one more exhibition game next week.

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Donte Stallworth has a broken foot

that could keep him out 6 weeks. He’ll probably go on the PUP List to make room on the roster for someone who otherwise would have been cut on Practice Squad’ed. Means Clayton is #3 WR and D-Will and Reed most likely make it as well Marcus Smith could do the same based on the injury and his Secial Teams value.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 28, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

At least 6 weeks.

Could be 8. I think Smith has a better chance to make it than Reed. Special teams play, he doesn’t have many drops this year, plus they were game-planning for him late in the game. I’ve yet to see Reed do anything that impressive (granted, I missed the ’Skins game).
On another note, Clayton also has a mild concussion.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

That’s a bummer, Clayton has started to show a little that he still can play and he’s been a deep threat before but he doesn’t have Stallworth’s speed.

This is the trade off you get with Donte throughout his career, he’s good when he gets on the field, but he gets hurt often.

Get well soon Donte, can’t wait to see you back on the field burning opposing DBs again!

A Ravens fan on the wrong side of the country!!

by Christopher Atwood on Aug 28, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He got nailed

on that penalty hit. Hopefully, he’ll sit out next week and be ready for the Jets. Looks like Q, Mase, D-Will, hopefully Clayton, Reed and Smith all make roster with Donte PUP’ed.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was nice to see

Lardar dressed. Or at least in a jersey and game pants. Couldn’t tell if he had pads on from the upper deck.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

He had his pads on. He was said to not be playing in the game before it even started, but love the attitude for him to want to dress for the game even though he was not playing. This guy is special.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said in the gamethread, he was trying to look sexy for the fans.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well he did a damn good job of it.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah he did.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew he wasn't playing.

When I looked down and saw #21 on the sidelines, I was honestly a little bit confused as to who it was. Then I realized twas Lardar and I had a similar reaction to the two of you.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team looked great tonight

Not sure if anyone noticed this yet, but John Harbuagh and this new Ravens team has yet to lose a game in the preseason. 11-0 so far. I know it does not mean much, but considering the backups are the key parts in this game, that is a damn good job in my opinion to have never lost a preseason game.

Joe looked amazing. That is a solid secondary they have in New York and we smoked them. Great to see Boldin doing his thing.

Heap was great to. Love seeing the TE we all know and love.

It sucks about Stallworth, but Clayton can bring the same things, if not more. I am not worried at all considering how good Boldin, Mason and the TE’s looked.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

you def. kept us off balance with the no huddle

hopefully our DC will have that remedied come reg. season. Good game.

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks and I hope

your injuries clear up as well as ours. Good luck and beat the Skins!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

we plan on it!

hehehehehe

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Aug 29, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seeing Stallworth hurt

I was really excited to see what he could do for us, but if everything goes well he will be back after the BYE week. I hope this doesn’t affect our passing game too much

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think it will affect it that much at all. Clayton brings almost the same things and I think most of us have said that at this point in Clayton’s career, he can be a great slot WR. Still think we will have an elite passing attack, but the injury to Stallworth is very unfortunate considering how hard this guy has worked in order to come back into the league.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the only difference is speed. Clayton isn’t as fast as Stallworth, but everything else matches up. Except…. He doesn’t have dreads, that could be a problem.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stallworth hasn’t really impressed me too much in the speed department so far this year. All of his catches have been within 10-15 yards it seems and all we talked about was how he was going to be that deep threat. Now, am I saying he won’t be that type of WR? No I am not, but I don’t see a drop at all with Clayton playing the 3 and letting D-Will or Reed be our deep guy.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh.. I hate D-Will, Reed is much more appealing to the eyes, you could just feel a physical presence to him when he was on the field. He has shown to have very reliable hands thus far.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had a rough game tonight and had a huge drop on a play that would have went for about 20-25 yards. No doubt though that is is between Reed and D-Will right now I think. Marcus Smith could be moving up with the strong showing he had tonight.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a brighter side of things

Orioles won 5-0 tonight.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

2 in a row!

And all 5 this year against the Angels!!
Plus, the first win against an AL team for the Mentor!!!

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the magic of Buck. Let’s kick-back now and drink a nice cold bottle of BuckWieser.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

3.5 from passing the Mariners.

I’d love to see them finish with less than 100 losses, possibly play at least .500 ball under Buck and pass a few more teams (in that order).

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

.500 seems like a pipe dream, but I could see .400 if we really work for it.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think

they can go .500 under Buck? As in, counting from early August when he started til the end of the year?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, It doesn’t seem realistic. I’d be thrilled if they did, but .400 is much more realistic.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Enough. Go over to Camden Chat for Orioles talk. This is about the RAVENS win, not the Orioles.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce doesn’t care, his visit counter goes up every time one of us hits post.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So your aren’t happy about an O’s win?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baltimore Beatdown is happy about the Ravens win. Camden Chat is happy about the Orioles win.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why

the need to segregate Baltimore sports?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love the traffic and stats

The Orioles content here on The Beatdown? Meh…

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. Pre-season wins aren’t exciting though. Yeah it’s cool to see guys play well, but right now it’s meaningless, unless you are a player on the fringe.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anytime the Ravens win is exciting, especially when the starters play as much as they did tonight. These guys are going the same speed they would in the regular season. I am excited over ANY Ravens win.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

over-achiever……

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a compliment.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

No it isn’t, SBNation just doesn’t have a sarcasm button yet.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

As evidenced by Mason's fiery unsportsmanlike conduct.

I’m excited about how well they played tonight. I’m also excited by the Orioles, who have decided to win games for the first time in my baseball watching career.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

decided

LOL, they could chose, I knew it!!!!

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It certainly seems that way.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

They should be a fun team to watch next year

They look like the ’07 Rays. Lots of young talent, good pitching, just a few pieces away from becoming a contender

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rays

are one of my favorite teams to pull for, if only because they give me hope for what the Orioles could one day be. I certainly wouldn’t cheer for them over the Os, but over the Yanks/Sox/anyone else?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't

the fact that preseason wins and losses are largely irrelevant discussed on here last week? Or after the Panthers win? Talk about any of the other good things (please, they’re wonderful), but the win isn’t all that important to me.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Irrelevant is a harsh word. I think they are very, very important when you have a contending team like we have. Every roster spot counts on a team that is on the fringe of winning a Superbowl.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say the games were irrelevant.

I said winning and losing was largely irrelevant. If it’s roster spots that are important, what does winning and losing really have to do with that?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s roster spots that are important, what does winning and losing really have to do with that?

Because usually when you lose, those players who are on the bubble played poorly.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

I don’t have any evidence on my side, something about not losing in the preseason in the last 3 years. I will get behind players playing well, that excites me. But honestly, I couldn’t care less what the score is at the end of the game. After the first stringers leave the game, I spend the rest of the game watching those ‘fringe’ players and lose most of my enthusiasm for the game. Ugly football is always ugly. And second string (or third) is never as pretty as first.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

14-10 so far, I think.

With 32 games left, they’d need to win 14. So 14-18 over the rest of the season. That doesn’t sound impossible, not with the great starting pitching since Buck came in. Although if Roberts is out an extended amount of time…

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Losing Stallworth sucks, but I think they'll manage

Baltimore and NYJ have looked like polar opposites this preseason. I’m thinking the Ravens will start the regular season with a bang.

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

If the Jets don’t have Revis, I say we win easy. I really liked what I saw out of Joe tonight, and he can have that kind of production in one half, I’m practically drooling over the thought of what he can do in a full game.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

From his back?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am unhappy with the RT situation.

I don’t want to see Cousins or Moll start there, especially against Rex and his ‘exotic’ blitzes.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry, Gaither is supposed to be back opening week isn’t he?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly. Would definitely be a huge blow without him there because Cousins and especially Moll have looked below average. Gaither is a top 10 tackle in this league.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harewood? I heard he’s a pretty good OT.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where have you “heard” this? If he were any good, the guy would be seeing the field alot more. He is a rookie 6th round pick from a small school with little football experience. In no way should any of us feel comfortable with him starting for us.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assumed, whatever. He’s a big athletic guy. That no-one heard of. Ring a bell? (Gaither)

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What? Gaither was projected to be a first round pick had he not failed out of Maryland. Plenty of people knew who Gaither was. Totally different situation dude.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never knew that, I just thought he was a diamond in the rough.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with BW here.

The idea that I always got reading about Gaither was that he was a huge risk, a ton of raw talent that needed polish, and that he was an extremely risky pick, even in the 5th round of the supplemental draft.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a risky pick, any guy taken in the supplemental draft is a risk because they usually have concerns about them and you are giving up a draft pick in the next draft for that player. Just so happened to be that taking Gaither was well worth the risk.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Gaither returns

there’s a good chance the Ravens IR Harewood to protect him on the roster.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only way he starts

is if both Cousins and Moll go down, and Gaither can’t play. Pretty much the end of the world for offensive tackles. Dude’s way too raw, would get eaten alive by Jason Taylor. Maybe Vernon Gholston would even give him a ‘welcome to the NFL’ swim move.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression

that his injury was serious enough that he’d be missing games. If he plays, then I feel much, much better about that game.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm counting on

Revis is their trump card. I don’t think they can handle a quality attack like the Ravens have this year without him anchoring the secondary.

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong Cromartie is good, but without Revis, it’s not even a question…

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Revis out

also puts a Kyle Wilson, rookie in the starting lineup, I think.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct, he will be matching up with Derrick.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rex

matches up with his corners rather than playing sides? I suppose I know he does since Revis shuts down a WR each week rather than a side, but he’ll play that way without his top corner?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows?

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Revis will be there when season starts

He’s no idiot and actually has a contract in place. He knows all he’s doing is missing training camp practices. Even with him, so Q is taken out of the game and Mason, Clayton, Heap, etc. get the tuches, which still adds up to a win in my opinion.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s missed all of training camp, so you can expect him to be a little rusty too, which is another factor you add in, so either way it’s a plus for us.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to bet

that a ‘rusty’ Revis is still better than Wilson, maybe better than Cromartie. It’s not like he’s sitting on his hands right now.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even so, he still will have declined a little, which may be all Boldin needs to rip him of “Shut-down” Status.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest,

I could care less if he retains his shut-down status. If the Ravens offense plays like they did last night, then everyone should see some catches as the ball gets spread around, which could mean only 4-5 catches for Q. I haven’t looked at the stats recently, but I think that’s the typical amount of catches for a top-tier receiver against Revis. What I mean to say is, Revis could ‘shut down’ Q and I’d still feel good about the Ravens winning that game.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, we still have 3-headed running monster, Mason, and TE’s that are looking solid. We will be fine.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more concerned

with pass-blocking than anything else. And if Gaither comes back by then….
I am feeling far more confident than I was a few days ago. There’s little I’d enjoy more than opening the new Meadowlands Stadium with a crushing victory over the Jets.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure

Revis doesn’t need to report until something like the 6th or 8th game to get his year’s service credit towards FA. And the game checks he is missing are only prorated from his $1M salary for this year which is not a huge deal compared to the $ he is seeking. So don’t be too sure he reports without the Jets making some sort of concession.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mismatches

When’s the last time you remember seeing the Ravens offense creating match-up problems for the other team? Loved the 3 WR set with Boldin/Mason/Clayton and Heap in the slot. Loved the two TE set with Dickson and Pitta plus Marcus Smith and Reed. Receivers flying open all over the place.

Even though Flacco started very poorly reading the Giants’ D, but once he settled in it was shredding time. They had no answer and looked confused.

It felt nice.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Definitely felt nice. I was really impressed with the catches the WR made. Most of those completions were very tough passes to catch and the guys made it look easy. Was really encouraging to finally see the passing dominate.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Mr. White Lightning himself, Joe Flacco

Who could have predicted that he’d top everyone in rushing yards?

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a side note

Anyone else think Glenn Beck is a tremendous douche? He wasted an our of my time, all he did was give us a bunch of BS. None of what he said had any lasting impression on me. In fact it almost seemed like was exploiting people’s fears and then applying guilt to get them to agree with him. Anyone else think that he made much ado about nothing?

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I was pleased that he kept politics out of it.

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly MLK had a point to make when he gave his speech, and inspired millions. I didn’t get the same feeling from Glen. The whole time it felt like he was trying to out-do MLK with a bunch of BS, and failed miserably. I kinda felt like he was giving the speech just for the sake of giving it. He thinks he’s a prophet when really, he’s just an ass-hole who knows absolutely nothing about politics, or anything else for that matter.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which qualifies him to be a cable news pundit

More than any of them he seems to love the spotlight, though. I don’t think he believes half the things he says, but as long as people keep lending him their ears…

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just annoys me how so many people actually buy into his crap.You’d assume the general public isn’t that stupid.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 29, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

But a Ravens victory thread probably isn’t the place to start railing about that.

Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Aug 29, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I live in DC, so I don’t need any extra reasons to hate Glenn Beck besides how he screwed up traffic pattern yesterday.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 30, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing I would like to see is improving our 3rd down efficiency. I only got to watch a little bit of the game but read in the box score we were 4 of 15 on 3rd down conversions. I would like to see that number go up a little bit.

by AV23 on Aug 29, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea, 3rd down was a struggle tonight, but most of them were rather long downs. We will get there…

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 29, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

It didn’t hurt us too bad tonight (3-3 on 4th down, including Boldin’s TD catch), but during the regular season, those failed conversions take points off the board.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

STILL ALOT OF WORK TO DO....

Yes at times we shredded the Giants,it was fun to watch,but twice we went for it on 4th down to continue the drive which lead to scores,we were out of field goal range and if we had failed at the conversion,we left the defense in bad field position.Also we have to do a better job at protecting the QB’s,period.The defense seems to make adjustments on the fly,but we don’t stop the run like we used to and when we blitz,we have to get there or the DB’s are going to be vunerable.Hey I ain’t raining on the parade nor will I ever fall off the bandwagon,but we still have work to do and I am sure that we are going to get it done..as for the Jets game,even with Revis,their linebackers can’t cover the middle of the field,screens will drive them nuts and we will run at Cromartie and often,lets not forget,as good as the passing game looks,we are still going to run over and thur them…Go Ravens!

by thomlord on Aug 29, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

All solid points

and the Giants first stringers were no slouches. Team looked very good and ready for 2010.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray looked old last night

It’s going to be a long season for him if he keeps playing like that.

by 3r1c on Aug 29, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah, no worry

Besides, it’s still nice to have a coach out on the field barking directions smelling out plays in advance.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I said the same thing at the game last night. He did look a half step slow when he is running to the sideline and is a liability in pass coverage. But he also snuffed out a third and one anticipating the right hole and hitting it hard for no gain.

It may be heresy, but we really need to think about taking him out in passing situations and make finding his replacement a priority in the draft.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That 3rd (or 4th?) down stop

was ridiculously good. How do you not block Ray Lewis? The whole opened and Ray came right through.

I’m of the same opinion referring to Ray in passing situations, but who takes the field instead? If none of our MLBs can cover, I’d prefer that the leader of the defense is on the field.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hole*

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about 'Ruki?

We need to find more ways to get him on the field. I’m only talking about having him fill in for Ray on 3rd and long here. He is physical enough for a draw or screen. And he can cover and deliver a blow on the check downs or slants/crossing patterns. Just a thought.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ruki's played extremely well in the preseason,

but if we’re talking about playing a safety in that situation, how does Zbikowski not come in first? From the rumors I’ve heard, Reed should be back Week 1, which leaves Zbi on the bench, unfortunately.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was assuming Reed is not ready Week 1

If Reed is back, Zbi in the middle works for me.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants D...

deserves all the credit for allowing Ravens receivers to find gaping pockets for open grabs. and yet Flacco was still at times, throwing behind the receivers.
I’ve never been accused of being a patient man, but seeing everyone suddenly pleased with Flacco’s first decent performance is a little irritating.
Same thing happened last season, the guy’s a rollercoaster.
His sporadic play is a headache to me.
And so far, Bulger’s been the excedrine.
I could careless if Flacco gets knocked out for the season. Maybe a SB XXXV repeat? I hope so.

by reed'sravens on Aug 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Flacco certainly

has room for improvement. But going through progressions simply wasn’t happening in these last two years. It was good to see. Reading single press coverage on the 2 TD throws, making those passes, was good to see, even if the throw to Boldin could have been better.

The interception was a terrible decision and a bad pass. Joe knows it. Walking on the sideline after that play, I read his body language as saying ‘Damnit, I want that one back.’ These happen, even to elite NFL QBs.

At the end of the day, Flacco has the potential to be a top 5 QB in this league, while Bulger is going downhill. If the Ravens only wanted to win the Super Bowl this year, sure start Bulger. But to be a dynasty that consistently wins games, the division and playoff games, which is what the front office want? Start Flacco.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I’ve never been accused of being a patient man, but seeing everyone suddenly pleased with Flacco’s first decent performance is a little irritating.”

Everyone has been pleased with Flacco for the last two years, this is nothing new. A few fans have liked seeing Bulger’s quick release this preseason and jumped on that bandwagon. Most raven fans believe Joe Flacco is our franchise QB (I’m one of ’em).

The only commenter here I can think of that doesn’t like Flacco is raven (and you now). That’s it.

If you expected Flacco to be Peyton Manning in his first two years in the league, you set yourself up for dissapointment. Year three is when things really start to get good for QB’s in this system. Look at Rivers’s and Breesus’s numbers for comparison.

by BmoreBlitz on Aug 30, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

well,

I havent seen a QB NOT have the attitude of, ‘Damnit, I want that one back.’ after making a poor decision.
I don’t think jamarcus russell ever had thumb wars with the linemen in celebration after his many bad decisions.
The difference between the “Elite” QBs and these QBs is they learn from their mistakes, and they don’t make them again. The only progression I’ve seen from this year and last year with Flacco is the days. He’s been just as sporadic and frantic as ever.
This was his first solid performance.
And that, to me, is unacceptable. Some of our best players arent going to be around much longer, and if we’re going to win, we need to do it now.

And how is Bulger going down hill? That’s a very foolish statement giving his circumstances. When he had all the opportunity in the world in St Louis, he capitalized on it. As things went down hill with that team and it’s players, consequently, so did he.
Behind a great o-line that we posess, he’s been nothing short of excellent. And that’s not to mention the fact, he’s had God knows how many people lining up in front of him through preseason and training camp.
Yet, he’s still sharp and very calm in the pocket— making good QB plays. He’s not a Matt Cassel and wasn’t a flash in the pan. He’s been around this long for a reason.

At the end of the day, every player on the field on any given sunday (somewhat, pun intended) have the potential and God-given ability to be top 5 in their respective position. That doesnt mean however that they will live up to it, or learn the techniques to get them there.

Like I already stated, i’ve never been accused of being a patient man. But, I’m glad one of us are.

by reed'sravens on Aug 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

First solid performance?

Are you kidding? How exactly do you define solid?
Sure, he hasn’t been elite, and he hasn’t been consistent. But you can’t look at the Minnesota game last year, a game in which he constantly got pounded by Jared Allen et al., yet still led his team back from 17 points down to attempt what would have been the game-winning field goal and say that wasn’t a solid performance. There were other solid games last year, KC, NE, Pitt game 1 (along with some good games against Det, Chi, Cle, games against not great teams). What exactly do you expect from a 2nd year QB?

Bulger’s 33. He’s not Brett Favre. How many years does he have left, especially after the recent pounding he took for 2-3 years in St. Louis? He was already questioning his desire to keep playing. I never claimed he was a flash in the pan, only that he was on the wrong side of 30, and that for a team that wants to make the playoffs 10 times this decade instead of 6, it behooves them to continue grooming their franchise QB who has shown promise.

Progression to me is no longer locking on to Mason, then checking down to Rice. It was noticeable how many times he looked at more than one option last night. I spouted my displeasure with some of the things Flacco did in the gamethread, but there’s no way I chalk up yesterday’s performance to poor defense by the Giants. Sure, he has things on which he can improve, even Manning and Brady do. But to say he has made no progress since he started his first NFL game against the Rams 2 years ago? That’s ridiculous.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Well said. I posted when we got Bulger that it was the smartest/best move we made in the offseason as insurance for Flacco. If Flacco goes down, our Super Bowl run is not impeded since Bulger is capable of seamlessly fitting into the offense. But Flacco is THE GUY – undisputed – for years to come. I really think you will see him elevate his game this year now that he has more weapons to choose from.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're

missing the point. My expectations are fair and just. Simply that you’re allowed to make mistakes, as long as you don’t make the same one more than once.
And to me, I still see the same Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of Flacco that i saw the past couple seasons.

Sure, he’s throwing slightly less errant passes, but the only consistency i see is that erratic play from last year.

Basically, I see the same guy that had played great for the first 4 W’s last year, but also the same guy that costed us the Colts game last year, and a couple others. There’s a lot to be said about the Ravens last year and the fact they lost VERY close games, but at the same time, It’s also support to my argument against Flacco and his inability to close out games.

“Progression to me is no longer locking on to Mason, then checking down to Rice. It was noticeable how many times he looked at more than one option last night”

That’s not progression, that’s an improved WR corps and a very poor secondary defense.
Maybe I should bite my tongue and wait until week 6 before I begin criticizing this guy.
Then again, maybe you should as well with all the praise.

I really was excited about Flacco when we got him; he possesses all the ability and potential you’d want in a QB, including a high IQ, but that’s all the more reason why I expect more from him than I do with Troy Smith.
So, again, i dont see how my expectations are unjust.

I’m only complaining, if you want to call it that, because I love this team, it’s personnel, and it’s fans. I want to see this team succeed. I’m well aware that some of our best players could be gone in the next couple years, and as a result, I want to see urgency and us capitalize on our opportunities while we can.

by reed'sravens on Aug 29, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which

2nd year QBs are consistent? And besides the Colts, which other game did he lose (don’t forget that Cundiff missed a short 30 yd field goal in that game and that the offense couldn’t score on 3 straight runs from the 1 yd line, both of which would have changed the game completely )? Unless you’re thinking of the playoff game in which our entire offense failed to show up.

An improved WR corps teaches Joe to look at more than target? So Clayton, Washington, DWill, etc. were so bad last year that Joe wouldn’t even look to them as the 2nd option? The Giants secondary may not be an upper echelon defense, but they’re still an NFL defense, and Joe didn’t seem to have any trouble throwing the ball against them. For both our sakes, I can only hope that by Week 6 we’ll both be singing Joe’s praises, rather than lamenting his failure to progress.

I see your point about the best players on this team. Some of the names that come to mind (Lewis, Reed) are irreplaceable. Others (Mason, Birk to some degree, maybe Heap) have replacements either ready to take over for them or being groomed. In any case, losing them doesn’t make this team not a contender. How many games have we played without Reed? Zbikowski is not, nor ever will be, an Ed Reed. But he is a solid NFL player. No one has Lewis’ knowledge of the game, but in terms of skill? There will be a MLB that makes that tackle on Bradshaw, that has the speed Ray’s lost, and Ozzie will find him. Mason’s importance will drop off this year with addition of Boldin. That’s not to say he’s not important, but far less important than in past years. When these players retire, there will be new talent that steps up or continues to be the best players on the team, hopefully players like Suggs, Rice, Ngata. This team is not built like the Jets. They’re not going to shoot their load this year or next, then be in a rebuilding process for 2-3 years. I think there is urgency to win, as there is every year. But I don’t think that our opportunity to win leaves with Ray, Ed or anyone else who may soon retire.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing we agree on

Let’s wait until week 6 to praise Flacco as the 2nd coming or bury him in the grave along with Boller. Preseason is not the time to make too many snap judgements.

I got your point. You have tremendously high expectations as do most of us here. I have complained about his tendancy to lock into one receiver – so last year if you take Mason out of the game you take Flacco out too. And I was yelling at Flacco the first series last night as he was missing reads or taking too long to make decisions and taking sacks.

But once he got his rythm going, he was on fire and that is something we all want to see. So yes, we all got excited hoping that this is the sign of things to come this year.

I think what most of us are saying is that – yes, Joe needs to improve vastly this year to take us to the SB. And now that he has the weapons to create multiple mismatches on offense, this should be the year we see him really produce.

We choose to see last night’s game as a sign of Flacco’s and the Ravens offense development.

You chose to see it as a sign of the demise of the Giants defense.

Week 6 will give us a better idea of which was the better indicator.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

perfectly said

rec’d

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what Mr Fandemonium,

I like your opinions.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

and a reply fail

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's just hope we are right

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

by Fandemonium on Aug 29, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know 2 things for sure.

Marc Bulger won’t be starting in 5-6 years. And Joe Flacco is not Testaverde, Zeier, Harbaugh, Mitchell, Banks, Case, Dilfer, Grbac, Cunningham, Blake, Redman, Boller, or Wright.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

your

ignorance would be pathetic, if it wasn’t Pro-Ravens.

by reed'sravens on Aug 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think

a 38 year old Marc Bulger will be starting in the NFL? I could see him as a Mark Brunell/Kerry Collins back-up thrust into the starting position, but no team will start the season saying Marc Bulger is our starting QB.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd

hate to repost my last reply and have it be confused with spam.
But, I kinda feel like it.

by reed'sravens on Aug 29, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not entirely sure

what I’m ignorant of. But I’ll take another stab. Which of those QBs is similar to Flacco?

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

he made a point and you didn’t. You’re the one who needs to explain himself.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game Notes:

-Landry stinks. Better get his head on straight.
-Bulger pulled after 1 series to prevent QB contoversy as he continues to move the ball with ease.
-Flacco had a decent game but continues to throw high and behind receivers. Delivers the ball a hair later than Bulger.
-Troy quickly labeling himself as a run first QB. Not good for trade value or his future.
-The Giants ran at will in the 1st quarter. A little troubling.
-Ellerbeast best of the rest.
-Ray invisible than out.
-TE’s strong.
-Rice believing his hype but will come back to earth.
-Parmele is strong. Our best ST returner. He needs more reps at RB. He’s buried under 3 dudes and could be a #2 somewhere else.
-Reed should be our #4 or #3.
-We missed Cody. He MUST start.
-Bulger a smooth operator. He plays the slant game perfectly. VERY lucky to have him in the wings.
-DB’s getting better. Washington up on line jamming more and Nakamura given more of a Leonhard roll.
—We’re a deep team overall. Our 3 QB’s trump the rest of the divisions. Flacco just needs to lead his receivers and get the ball down where they can run with it and not have to fall back to earth.

by raven on Aug 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok then.

-I saw a play or two where you may be upset with Landry (a missed tackle, like everyone else when Bradshaw stiff-armed), and I’d honestly prefer to see Zbi or ‘Ruki out there, but I wouldn’t be so harsh as to say he stinks.
-To avoid a controversy, or to keep their $3.5m back-up QB from getting hurt behind a horrible O-line in a meaningless game?
-Truth about Joe.
-If I recall correctly, he threw for a TD. And completed something like 7 of 9 passes. He ran when he needed to. That is to say, when the pocket collapsed far too quickly.
-Any team running on the Ravens D is troubling. DeAngelo Williams did so 2 weeks ago as well.
-Ellerbe? Really? I’ve yet to see another LB step up. I think it’s McClain’s job until someone takes it from him, which as yet to happen.
-Ray was so invisible they forgot to block him when he stopped that 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 run. Knee injuries are certainly frightening though.
-Where exactly could Parmele be a #2 RB? Denver, behind Fargas or Buckhalter? Green Bay behind Grant?
-I’ve suffered through enough dropped passes by #3 and #4 receivers so far in my life. I’ll take a receiver that catches the ball please.
-Agree about being lucky to have Bulger as a backup.
-Just wait for Webb and Reed. Then the secondary should be a strength instead of a weakness.
Please get off of Troy’s jock. Better than Roethlisberger and Palmer? Child please. Dixon may be a better QB.

"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."

by organizedchaos52 on Aug 29, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a Few More

Notes:

Flacco still throwing off his back foot, although not as bad as past. Overall, a much improved performance by him -let us hope he can continue to grow on this come Monday night against the Jets.

As much as I loved Pitta last game, Dickson impressed this game -wow, by mid-season, once all the bugs are ironed out, our two tightend sets are going to be scary good…

RT tackle is an issue. Injuries are starting to become an overall issue: our secondary (and I’ll grant you folks are coming back so help is “on the way”) is hanging on by a thread; Zbi and Ruki are doing yeoman’s work back there; Stallworth’s injury hurts. We can delude ourselves into thinking we will be alright, and we probably will be, but speed kills. And when you take away the speed element, that hurts.

Boldin has arrived, and just in time for week one.

Ball security was improved, but I thought I saw a few flubs here and there that need to still be tightened up some more.

And finally, and probably most importantly, aside from D-Mase’s boneheaded penalty, where were the yellow hankies? Frank Walker, where have you gone? And, it appears the O-line did not get away with as many blatant holds as last game so it appears they tightened that up also.

Except for the brain farc’s to start and end the first half, about as good a performance as one could hope for all the way around -a solid twenty plus minutes of football that you really cannot complain about. Just need to come out focused, stay focused and finish focused -all easily correctable.

by vlad755 on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought our secondary looked great saturday. Fabian looks thicker and stronger than I remember him; Carr does as well. Also, Carr is finally playing ravens defense and “shooting his guns” as the saying goes.

by BmoreBlitz on Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, BUT

I am holding my breath every time the ball is snapped that Fabian does not re-injury his knee or somebody else goes down…

by vlad755 on Aug 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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