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Ravens Training Camp: Thursday AM Edition

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With the final morning session of the Westminster-portion of the Baltimore RavensTraining Camp now over, there is just the full squad afternoon session before the team packs up and heads back to their Owings Mills Training Complex. Spirits were high and practice was lively, with the best news of all that no players were carted off the field for any reason. Surviving Training Camp from a health status is success by itself and many teams throughout the league have had devastating injuries, be it in camp or in the preseason games. The Ravens still have a month of practice and three more exhibition games, so cross your fingers that they remain healthy through the remainder of this process.

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Red Zone 11-on-11 drills have been going on, as they have been a focus for all of Training Camp. Unfortunately, it continues to be necessary as Joe Flacco is picked in the end zone. I notice that CB Chris Carr is in pads and practicing, which is a good sign, although right now it appears that the 1st team corners are Fabian Washington and Travis Fisher. Flacco's soft toss long over the top is way overthrown and CB Cary Williams races underneath but it clanks off his hands to the ground, which is probably part of the reason Williams is a corner and not a wideout!

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The placekicking competition continues to be too close to call and will probably end up looking more like a coin flip to decide than either clearly beating out the other one. At the end of practice, during two-minute drills, the two kickers take turns missing three straight attempts. First, Shayne Graham is wide left, then Billy Cundiff hits the left upright and finally Graham goes wide right. Not a great way to end practice.

Joe Flacco and Marc Bulger are throwing to the wide receivers, who are going one-on-one with the defensive backs and regularly beating them like a drum (or a rented mule). In succession I watch Donte Stallworth beat Travis Fisher, David Reed beat Dawan Landry, Justin Harper beat Prince Miller, Marcus Smith beat Chris Hawkins, and finally, Harper beat Miller (again). In all fairness to the defensive backs, I did witness Dawan Landry successfully bat down a pass intended for David Reed.

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The first team offense gets back on track against the first team defense in the blitzing drill. First Flacco hits a slanting Anquan Boldinfor a reception. Then, while the running back picks up the blitz, Joe calmly flicks a deep pass to a streaking Stallworth for a TD catch behind a badly beaten Travis Fisher. With Marc Bulger under center, safety Ken Hamlin picks a poorly thrown pass over the middle. Meanwhile, Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and Trevor Pryce all take a breather on the sidelines, and Lewis yells to Head Coach John Harbaugh out on the field.

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Towards the end of practice, Troy Smith gets into the action on a deep pass down the sidelines to Eron Riley,  closely guarded by Doug Dutch, but still tips the ball and then brings it down for a TD catch right in front of the fans, drawing a well deserved applause.

The Baltimore Orioles' Jeremy Guthrie, is in attendance and I refrain from the obvious comment of asking him if he was there to see a team that could catch, throw and hit. Ouch.

At the podium after practice, Harbaugh thanks both McDaniel College and the Best Western Hotel for being such great hosts for another year of Training Camp. He is impressed with the players work ethic and their willingness to work so hard out on the field and then have everyone signing  autographs for the kids afterwards, as there was approximately 4,000 fans and perhaps as many as 1,500 kids in attendance this morning.

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Heard Cundiff missed from 53 and 58 yards today. This battle is so close right now. When one guy has an off day, you expect the other guy to step up but doesn’t. Still worried a bit. I will feel alot better if either of the kickers go 4/4 during one of the next 3 games.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yah, would love to see one

truly beat out the other but it doesn’t look like that is ging to happen. Either way, I’ll be comfortable with the pick, but you’d like to see one guy actually win it outright. Last year left a bad taste in my mouth for what I was sure and proved to be a big mistake. IMO, Graham Gano would still be our kicker today and we’d have beaten the Vikings last season.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, Graham Gano would still be our kicker today and we’d have beaten the Vikings last season.

IMO, Gano couldn’t hack it in the pre-season games last year. His stent in the UFL was well-earned, and now he’s kicking in the purgatory that is Washington, D.C. with the Redskins. The Ravens fans’ favorite face-test kicker has kicked an astounding 4/4 field goals from as far away as 46 yards and has converted nearly all seven of his extra point attempts.

If the Ravens had bothered to play any football in the first half of that Vikings game, we would have won it.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, Bruce your a little biased with Gano

They were email buddies so now their BFF’s.

To say the unproven Gano would have made that kick for sure is a bit humorous to me.

by DT711 on Aug 19, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laugh it up if you want

but Gano was only 1-3 in preseason and Hauschka was something like 4-6. Gano had the stronger leg, kicked great for FSU, punted and ran a 4.5 40. He’s kicked great for the UFL and also for the ‘skins, as he might end up their MVP. Don’t hold my bias against me though. Just my opinion, although both Graham and Cundiff have better resumes, no question there. I’m leaing towards Graham and I think the Ravens are as well. Just a gut feeling.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 19, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

…Gano was only 33% in preseason and Hauschka was something like 67%.

Fixed that for you. This doesn’t seem to be proving your point.

He’s kicked great for the … ‘skins…

Maybe you missed me summing up his pro stats above. Gano’s kicked all of four times with a whopping long of 46 yards, and he didn’t convert all of the seven extra points he attempted. Please explain to me how that counts as “great.”

…he might end up their MVP.

Even for the Redskins, I don’t find that likely.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 19, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the Ravens

He kicked poorly in preseason but never had the chances tht Hauschka had. If he had the same number of kicking attempts then we would have had a better idea. In DC, he didn’t have too many atttempts because they were so bad ad badly cached. Call me a homer for hs success, but I expect him to be a real decent kicker in the NFL for a long time. Just my opinion, regardless of what you have seen so far. We’ll see.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 20, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He kicked poorly in preseason but never had the chances tht Hauschka had.

C’est la vie. Gano didn’t take advantage of the opportunity he had.

In DC, he didn’t have too many atttempts because they were so bad…

But he still played “great?”

…I expect him to be a real decent kicker in the NFL for a long time.

Predicting that he’ll be “pretty decent” is a step back from your last post. It seems like a more reasonable guess, though.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cundiff

is the way to go. Graham gives me a bad feeling

by sam_ravens on Aug 19, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw from baltimoreravens.com articles saying that Ozzie Newsome has been listening

to calls from other teams about a Trade for Willis Mcgahee but it also said that Ozzie Newsome really looking for a solid 4th or 5th cornerback.

by jazz20 on Aug 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Willis is worth no less than

a Nickel or low-end #2 corner. At that price, I’d rather keep him.

by 3r1c on Aug 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should just keep Willis Mcgahee and not trade him at all some people think

that Ray Rice can do it all but Ray Rice is better when Wilis McGahee is there to help him.I know we Have other backs such as Curtis Steele, Leron Mccain, and Jalen Pamele but can they really do better then Willis McGahee

by jazz20 on Aug 19, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about that

I’d kee Willis around as who knows what will happen in the league with all the injuries. If Rice were to go down, Willis would be more than a capable starter. I say keep him unless we are overwhelmed with an offer.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed completely

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 20, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I would think to trade Willis is 1)save the money, and 2) make Leron happier because he is getting more carries. Otherwise, it is clutch to have such a great backup RB, especially on a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

14 touchdowns last year!

Remember? He got in the end zone 14 times…. He has a nose for the goal line. How could anyone in their right mind not want to keep such a back on the roster. He’s worth his salary, every penny…My vote, keep him in Purple and Black!

by Smiley4660 on Aug 19, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

a very good point, though its debatable weather or not rice or mcclain would be able to score just as many given the same opportunities.

by sam_ravens on Aug 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

14 Touchdowns

How many of them from the 3 yard line or less?

by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does it matter? The man scores TD’s, which just so happens to be the objective in football.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 19, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The man scores TD’s, which just so happens to be the objective in football.
since when

Since the object of the game has been scoring more points then your opponent.

So to answer your question, for as long as the game has been played.

by DT711 on Aug 19, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, actually it matters

When somebody else does all the work to get up the field and then Willis gets to get the score (although, somehow this usually takes 3 downs…) then, those are inflated statistics. If someone who’s not familiar looks at those stats, they’re liable to think he ran halfway up the field to score, whereas he was put in when we were too close NOT to score. Hell, Troy Smith walked it in last week from further out than most of Willis’ touchdowns last year.

by GrumpyOldBird on Aug 21, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really care. I will take another 14 TD’s from Willis this year, as I am sure you would to.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 21, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

McGahee was something like 4th in TDs in the eague in 2009

and had only around 112 carries, while the guys ahead of him (AP, MJD, CJ) all had well over 300 carries. The man gets into the end zone when called upon. What more can you ask for regardless of where the ball was when it was put in his hands?

After that stiff arm in Oakland, NEVER say a bad thing again about Willis!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stiff arm…. more like a bitch slap. Yea, that Oakland player will never live it down.

Who was it, Eugene Wilson?

by BmoreBlitz on Aug 20, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t need to know his name, I just call him “girly-man.”

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

…the guys ahead of him (AP, MJD, CJ) all had well over 300 carries.

Those other guys didn’t have the luxury of Ray Rice carrying the ball to the red zone for them. McGahee’s Touchdown-to-Carries ratio is a little misleading by itself.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree- McGahee did his job well

Getting it in the end zone, but lets not make him out to be the best TD scoring RB in the league. I’m pretty sure if we had guys like Marion Barber, LeRon McClain, or Brandon Jacobs (when healthy) in that role, they would have put up similar results.

That said I’m all for keeping Willis unless we get a trade offer that blows us away. He is still at least an average to above average starter in this league at RB, and as a backup, hes one of the best.

by DT711 on Aug 20, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that it is too much of a stretch to say that Willis is still a 1,000 yard RB in this league if he was a started.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 20, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Leron would have something to say about that.

"Me no function beer welll without."

by StuckInUtah on Aug 20, 2010 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not a stretch at all

If he was our #1 and got 300 carries I could easily see him putting up 1,200 yards.

by DT711 on Aug 20, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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