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Ravens Training Camp: Monday AM Edition

Former Raven Jonathan Ogden with Jared Gaither

First thing I notice when walking out onto the Baltimore Ravens' practice fields this morning is the hulking presence of the future Hall of Fame left tackle, Jonathan Ogden, who looks like he could suit up and get right back in there. Later during practice, I see him standing next to injured RT Jared Gaither watching offensive line drills. Gaither is out for the next 2-3 weeks with a back injury.

Early on in 11-on-11 drills, noteworthy comments include seeing CB Travis Fisher running with Fabian Washingtonon the 1st team defense. I had a few moments to speak with Fisher about his opportunity to increase his reps due to others injuries, and that interview will follow shortly. LB Jameel McClain is also laying next to Ray Lewis at inside linebacker, while last year's starter Danell Ellerbe runs with the second team.

For the most part, this appears to be a rather quiet, almost lackluster practice. That is, until the second fight (if you can call it a "fight") of this year's Training Camp breaks out. Hard to see who was involved, but Jameel McClain apparently head-slapped RT Oniel Cousins, who took exception to the contact, although DT Kelly Talavou was at the bottom of the pile when they unraveled it. The coaches got the players off the field and went right back to the drills.

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Star-divide

In 11-on-11 drills, Joe Flacco is picked off by a sliding safety Tom Zbikowski, who weaves his way upfield until chased down by Flacco himself. Marc Bulger throws deep to Donte Stallworth on the sideline but only after LB Jarret Johnson tapped him on the shoulder for what would have been a sack.

The placekicking competition remains neck and neck, as Billy Cundiff is impressive hitting a 58 yard FG, followed by a 52 yarder which is then matched by Shayne Graham.

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Flacco hits Anquan Boldin deep over the middle for a leaping the rolling grab in the end zone, drawing nice cheers from the fans.

In o-line vs. d-line drills, DT Haloti Ngata gets tangled up with center David Hale, both laying on the ground. Ngata gets up onto one knee,, but Hale remains face down. As Haloti gets up, he bends over in obvious pain, but thankfully walks off the field on his own power. Not so for Hale, as he is surrounded by trainers checking him out, rolling him over and finally hoisting him by four guys onto the cart to drive him off the field.

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After practice ends, Flacco is observed playing catch with a couple of little kids. He may be 6'5" tall, but he still plays with the energy of the children he's tossing the little nerf ball with.

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Gaither is out for the next 2-3 weeks with a back injury.

That’s the optimistic timeline. It could be as long as six weeks.

As Haloti gets up, he bends over in obvious pain, but thankfully walks off the field on his own power.

The press is reporting it as a potentially non-serious hand or wrist injury.

Not so for Hale, as he is surrounded by trainers checking him out, rolling him over and finally hoisting him by four guys onto the cart to drive him off the field.

It’s been reported that Hale can move his neck and legs. That’s great news for Hale, but not necessarily so for our line depth.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

The press is reporting it as a potentially non-serious hand or wrist injury.

Scratch that.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/injuries_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:sports_football_ravens(Ravens+Insider)

Unfortunately, [Ngata] couldn’t turn his neck when he was asked questions going up the steps to the locker room, and it also appeared as if he hurt his shoulder.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 16, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh no

hopefully its just a cramp or something. Man that would suck

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 16, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s been reported that Hale can move his neck and legs. That’s great news for Hale, but not necessarily so for our line depth.

http://twitter.com/RavensInsider/statuses/21334262236

David Hale has had a lingering back issue throughout camp.

http://twitter.com/jamisonhensley/statuses/21338944328

The Ravens are providing no official update on Hale’s condition. I’m not sure what to make of this, but it doesn’t sound good.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Ogden makes Gaither look “small.”

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Those were my thoughts as well…

Geez, I hope Haloti is ok.

by 60minuteassassin on Aug 16, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the odds...

That sergio Kindle Ever suits up as a Baltimore raven… there have been alot of rumors circulating that he may never be able to play or that the ravens wont sign him until he is cleared and he might not be cleared until next season.. if ever…. will we ever see this kid play as a raven? I sure hope so

by RAYVens11 on Aug 16, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

From the elusive Fan Shots section:

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2010/8/13/1622086/sergio-kindle-may-never-get-signed

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting concept

is that the Ravens don’t sign him, his insurance policy gets cancelled due to a pre-existing condition (narcolepsy) and Kindle ends up w/o a single penny from playing football! Ouch.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 16, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay…my take on todays report.

Frankenflacco chucks another INT to a shadow boxing midget and then throws high to Boldin (who better get used to folding up like a lawn chair in mid air reaching for Flaccensteins tilted take-offs). Aflacco’s “follow through” looks like he just released an arrow aimed for the moon.

Hale left the field on a cart. A cart. Maybe he can play winger or goalie next year.

Kindle…what a pick. The only guy with an alarm clock in his helmet.

Not a word on All-Pro Kruger? How’s my favorite Steeler beater doing.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a word on All-Pro Kruger? How’s my favorite Steeler beater doing.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/paul_kruger.html

In the one-on-one pass rush period against the Ravens’ offensive line, Kruger beat left tackle Michael Oher, guard Ben Grubbs and center Chris Chester on successive plays.

Kruger seems to have that swim move down as far as rushing the passer. He appeared quick off the ball, and there was no hesitation in completing his moves.

Historically, Preston hasn’t been a Kruger fan. Apparently, Kruger’s increased weight has been good for him.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 16, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good to hear. Trevor Pryce might end up as the #3 DE if this continues. Glad to see that Kruger might actually make a consistent impact this year.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

#3? Who’s going to be #2?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, as of right now Corey Redding is the starting LE. He has had a damn good camp as well and has is a veteran.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I thought he switched to DT over the offseason? Well A big guy is nice in the 3-4 part of our defense because he has more of a responsibility to “block” the OL and open up holes for the LBs. But in a 4-3 you want a guy who can get to the pocket quickly and collapse it, and I don’t think a big guy like Redding has that ability.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Redding has that ability in a 4-3 to collapse the pocket. He has done it alot for the Lions in the past. He will be a damn good player for us.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think much of the acquisition when it first happened, but now that you are stirring that Kool-aid, I’m starting to get thirsty. (I’m excited to see what he has)

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got an interview w/ Kruger Mnday am

but it will be part of my feature story on d-line coach Clarence Brooks. I am updating the interview with new quotes from all the d-linemen, including Kruger. He as sweating like cray during the interview, uni soaked through and dripping on my recorder, spitting off his lips as he talked. Brooks works the heck out of them!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 17, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kruger I guess with Redding as the #1. But I think all 3 will split the snaps pretty evenly, with Redding and Pryce handling the 2-gap downs and Kruger coming in for 1v1 pass-rush situations

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, should definitely be a rotation I think. Redding is a BIG d-end and might be better suited on running downs. Pryce and Kruger will be in there for passing downs I would guess.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kruger’s transition to DE is going to be quite easy for him. Because he has the speed of a LB, but now that he he has added some muscle he can apply strength to the position and if what I saw in the Pre-season game was accurate, He has an amazing combination of both.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a pass-rusher, he sounds natural. As a 2-gapper, the jury is out. But it’s definitely good news.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he played DE mostly in college, so I am sure the transition wasn’t that tough.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was actually weirder for him at LB last year. Except for that INT during the Pittsburgh game, he did, like you said, look lost at LB. I think it’s a lot more natural for him to play DE.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Play Kruger win the game. He should of been in more last year and allowed to just go on instinct. I’d rather have him and JJ coming off the ends than Suggs and our poo sack of LB’s. Not including Ray Lewis of course who can fly around the world and turn it on its axis.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ogden. I almost forgot. I heard he sleeps in a Taneytown barn on a bed of hay with a 6 pack of Colt and a pet mouse. He walks to practice and picks fruit from the trees along the way. Poor guy. Seems happy in his Tough Skin jeans though.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Really really strange post.

by 60minuteassassin on Aug 17, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good God Almighty

Eli Manning just got completely owned and is now bleeding all over himself.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 16, 2010 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Odgen is going to consider becoming an O-Line coach?

I mean, he was one of the best ever at the position, and if he can pass that knowledge and experience on to our younger players that would greatly improve Flacco’s performance. Because if he doesn’t have pass-rushers to worry about he will be able to make better decisions and throws.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets allow for the guy to enjoy his time away from football. If he wants to come back as a coach, we will be waiting. I am sure that him coming to these practices is helping the young guys. I know he was in Gaither’s ear all day long during his rookie year.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question? Do you think Odgen will be a first ballot HoF’er? I think he definitely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame regardless, but I think people tend to overlook OL sometimes when they are voting.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he retired in 2007? So that means only 2 more years until the Ravens have their first Hall of Famer?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

never thought of that. cool.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He retired in 2008, so 2013 will be his year.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I could’ve sworn it was 2007.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well his last season was the 2007-2008 season, which he played in. So after that season (which was in 2008) he retired.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do they count years or seasons in qualifying for the HoF?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should get the wise sage Bal_Hawk onto this one. He seems to have infinite football knowledge.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s years since your official retirement.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 17, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

1st ballot for sure. He hasn’t been busted for weed or anything so first ballot indeed.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Cough*Marvin Harrison*Cough*

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was charged with a misdemeanor in 1998 for stealing a few afro picks from Tyrell’s barbershop after a haircut. But no one knows about that.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

im going to ask you about those comments on WNST.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No callers allowed during my time. Sorry bud.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

no listeners either

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ZING!

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you kicked animals when you were a child.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 16, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

only when they stopped giving milk

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you kicked your mom at the age of 10 when she finally tried to ween you onto the sippie cup?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

sippie cup? when i was a baby i pulled a frosty mug from the fridge and had my mom fill it up.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So in other words we can’t pull a Howard Stern on you?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally Stern him

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I get it. Stern Him (Sternum)

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh man, maybe they’ll let you toss bologna on the hosts mayonaised butt.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they will have a Black woman on who’s voice sounds distinctly like a White womans’

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Slash is doing ESPN now.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant Robin, but yes Slash meets those qualifications too. LOL. where do you come up with this stuff?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

my parents basement next to the boiler.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That explains soooo much…..

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

put the busch light in the basket or get the hose again

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no Idea what you said.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

put the busch light in the basket or get the hose again!!

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you eat paint-chips as a child?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually yes. they would fall into my box when i was a baby and i’d gather them up like a spider after its prey scurring to a shadowed corner where i’d nibble the bitter, acidically sweet lead paint. i remember the burning on the edges of my mouth from the dagger sharp fractured pieces of hardened pigment.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know whether to laugh or feel bad for you.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 17, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe he’ll show them how to stop short fast dudes like Freeney.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Gooo Goo Good morning, My naa naaa nnaaaame iiis iiiiiis MaaaLor. I taaaalk football he her here on on on WWWNST..Ra Ravens are are are are UHHHH

and then you violently crap your good church pants.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah…

Lay off, guys. I’m actually proud that Malor is doing something with all of his Ravens/football knowledge. That’s alot more than most of us can say regarding the countless hours that we spend watching, reading and talking about football. I say good for him.

by BAL_Hawk on Aug 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

It got really out of control yesterday but Bruce thankfully deleted those comments.

I think its great for him to take a shot at doing what he loves as a potential career. If it doesn’t work out, no big deal, but you’ll never know if you don’t take the chance.

Malor, don’t listen to the haters. Jealousy breeds hate.

by DT711 on Aug 17, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay. im done. i hope you kick butt on there. they have the best show around even though they go to commercial too often so they can sell and munch Dellarosa pizza 50 times a day.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at the Flacco Picture above

notice how he dumped off to the kid nearest him and totally missed the other kid deep. just saying…rice will be a busy man again.

by raven on Aug 16, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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