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Ravens Training Camp: Saturday Edition

Joe Flacco hits the net!

With no morning practice today and Sunday's cancelled, the Baltimore Ravens held their only practice open to the media and public since Tuesday and it was good to see the team back on the fields at McDaniel College in Westminster, Maryland. First thing I see when arriving at the fields are the QB's dropping back and throwing to the netting on command from QB coach Jim Zorn.

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The defensive linemen are working up a sweat to the point that Haloti Ngata asks Defensive Line Coach Clarence (CB") Brooks, "Can we get a break?" To which Brooks sternly replies, "No." prompting Haloti to plead, "Need water, about to pass out." After the players finish the drill, Brooks relents.

Star-divide

The offensive linemen are practicing getting out front on screen passes and taking on the linebackers and defensive backs. Tackle Oniel Cousins rolls over little CB Prince Miller on a screen from Joe Flacco to Anquan Boldin. "That's just not fair," I mutter on the sidelines. Next man up, rookie offensive lineman chucks DB Cary Williams out of the way.

On 11-on-11 drills Flacco finds Derrick Mason deep over the middle, momentarily tipped by safety Tom Zbikowski, but held onto for what would have been a TD reception if D-Mase legged it out full speed. This play draws the loudest cheer of the day from what appears to b an impressive crowd for an afternoon practice.

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Also seen in the crowd at practice this afternoon was the oldest living member of the Baltimore Colts Marching Band, who turned 89 years old today. Happy Birthday!

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Rookie TE Dennis Pitta then makes a diving, bobbling grab from Bulger in front of safety Haruki Nakamura. Unfortunately, n the very next play, Bulger is picked off by CB Cary Williams who returns it deep down the field before being forced out of bounds.

Both placekickers are warming up their legs, with Shayne Graham kicking 30 yard FG's one after the other off the tee with no step. The day's competition seemed too close to call with Graham hitting all of his kicks and Cundiff only missing once.

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The team gathers around in a circle as the offensive linemen take the defensive linemen mano-a-mano, cheering when their side appears to win the duel. Michael Oher manhandles Jarret Johnson as some player yells, "'Bama vs. Ole Miss!" Next, Ben Grubbs and Paul Kruger battle to a draw.

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After practice ended, Head Coach John Harbaugh took questions from the media about the waiving of long snapper Matt Katula, saying that he expected Katula to catch on with another team right away. When asked how he liked the performance Thursday night from rookie TE Ed Dickson, Harbaugh's first response was what I had noticed as well, "I'd like to see his helmet stay on!"

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Good shot of Ngata

by BALT21 on Aug 14, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Love to hear Clarence Brooks

Kicking his players into shape.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 14, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's funny how Roger Goodell is all up in arms about Concussions

When really there is no Problem. The only problem is that Players don’t buckle their helmets up, if all of them did there would be no need for the NFL’s “Concussion Policy” When I read that thing about Ed Dickson, that came to my mind, so forgive my randomness.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

The only problem is that Players don’t buckle their helmets up, if all of them did there would be no need for the NFL’s "Concussion Policy"

Thats a ridiculous statement. You need to up your knowledge, son.

by DT711 on Aug 15, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s completely preposterous.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s completely preposterous.

I was waiting for somebody else to say it. I totally concur.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 15, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explain to me, Why is it a ridiculous statement? Notice how there is less concussions in Rec league football-HS football. It’s because the coaches make sure their player’s helmets are on properly. In college and Pro players have more freedom and you notice that they only use one strap. There’s two for a reason.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hang on here

maybe there are more concussions in the NFL than at any other level of football because the players are wearing the same helmets but getting hit in those helmets WAY harder. Does anyone else think that makes perfect sense?

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait. Are you saying that players in high school aren’t as big and fast as players at a pro level? If that were true at all, high school football wouldn’t be such a huge business with endless television and product endorsements and a players’ union that strictly limits homework allotments.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 15, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

anti-rec'd

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aww damn it. They took down the picture. go here: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pw0nd.com/2008/12/21/i-see-what-you-did-there/&h=447&w=500&sz=36&tbnid=YGGVXGE9CMadxM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DI%2Bsee%2Bwhat%2Byou%2Bdid%2Bthere&usg=__L5xsOze3PnO_iXfbfvDAgnJqogY=&sa=X&ei=8ZhoTOQRxPuXB_ah_Z4F&ved=0CBsQ9QEwAA

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Motherfucker! I can’t type today. Just look up I see what you did there and look at the pelican one…

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2010, the NFL suddenly cares about concussions. Why? You better sit down for this one: As it turns out, it’s not a great thing to get knocked unconscious. Who knew? Even fans have changed their feelings about guys getting clocked. I remember seeing Troy Aikman getting revived during Cowboys games with 40-pound ammonia packets and thinking “He’ll shake it off,” then laughing at the dumb look on his face. (In fact, “The Aikman Concussion Face” was what spawned the Faces Hall of Fame.) Now when I see someone concussed, I think, “Uh-oh, better shelve that guy for a while.” And so do you. Over the past five years, exhaustive research changed the way we considered concussions, to the point that some wonder if football will even exist 25 years from now in its current form.

—Bill Simmons

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, man. Baltimore Warrior said there was nothing to worry about. Concussions are just an urban legend.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Aug 15, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

They would happen less often if players actually buckled up their helmets. You see a lot in the NFL players Helmets flying off with ease.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and those plays don’t result in concussions because if the helmet flies off then that means the helmet absorbed the impact instead of your brain. Obviously, it’s not safe to let your hat fly off because you may get hit a 2nd time and crack your top open. But if a guy’s helmet flies off, it’s because the helmet took the force of the hit instead of the head.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, Even so, Goodell has bigger things to worry about than concussions. You know things like a lock-out NEXT YEAR!

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, players becoming demented and having life-threatening medical issues couldn’t possibly trump anything else in importance.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not every player that has had a concussion becomes demented. Hell westbrook had 3 last year and he’s fine.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

is he?

Obviously not every player who gets a concussion becomes demented. But A LOT of guys who have MULTIPLE concussions do have mental issues later in life.

How do you know Westbrook is fine? The Eagles didn’t seem to think he was fine! Please, just take 5 minutes and look this stuff up on Web MD or something so we can stop this nonsense. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They released because he was injury prone and old.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you don’t think the “three” concussions he had last year attribute to him being injury prone? You are digging yourself into a deeper hole with this dumb argument.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 15, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.

Prone to concussions. one problem with concussions is that they seem to cause more concussions.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

Please, do us all a favor and read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion#Post-concussion_syndrome

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the Wikipedia article above

Symptoms may be more severe and changes in neurophysiology can occur with the third and subsequent concussions.

Ergo, release Westy. And in private, I would have encouraged him to retire and spend some time with his family.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most players never totally

know the extent of their head injuries until well after their playing days are over and whether or not they have an “official” concussion is irrelevant, hitting the head so many times is not good. Period.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 15, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

I remember someone saying that this is why boxers have the most problems. Because the cumulative effects of a lot of really small, repeated hits may actually be worse than several really hard hits.

But all of this is up for debate. What is agreed upon is that there are serious health concerns here.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell westbrook had 3 last year and he’s fine.

Oh really? And that’s what he has a job right now, right?

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will tommorow.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of like herpes…. But not really….

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying that if players buckled up their helmets completely, there would be the same rate of concussions?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES. Holy cow you can’t possibly be making this argument right now, can you?

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

bro, a simple youtube search of “NFL Concussion” will show you boundless footage of concussions. There may be a few of these where the helmet is not properly secured, but the VAST majority are just because a big ass dude hit someone in the head.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying players should hit less hard?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

not at all. But you should recognize the reality of what it must feel like to have an NFL athlete unload on you at full speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqmdI3tVuMA

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing like a good old fashioned hit. Either way, there’s nothing a stupid Concussion policy could do to prevent that. Essentially Roger is telling players to hit less hard. In that situation, there’s absolutely no preventing a concussion. Sheldon was just doing his job.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s putting in specific rules that protect “defenseless players” in situations when a defender doesn’t have to hit him in the head. Few people argue against the “helmet to helmet” rule and years from now people will see Goodell’s logic.

Plus, you’re completely ignoring the boundless legal ramifications for knowing and understanding the risks of consussions while still doing nothing to prevent them.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5jwoWPRpI&feature=related
Helmet not completely on. Could have caused less of injury if it was on right.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

rediculous

you must have one of those FBI computer screens that lets you purify the image to HD quality. Because that video is so grainy and it’s completely ridiculous if you expect me to believe that you could see his strap unbuckled.

Also, he didn’t get a concussion there because his HELMET absorbed the HIT.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody was a beast in his first preseason game. If he keeps this up do u think he will win the job and start the season at nose tackle.

by Raven_all_day on Aug 14, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. I think the important thing is if Cody continues to play at this level he will get plenty of snaps to spell Kelly Gregg. Now, as the seasons moves along, I wouldn’t be surprised if he indeed became the starter..

by 60minuteassassin on Aug 15, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Gregg will start

but as you said, the question will be for how long?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand Kelly has earned his spot but if Cody is clear cut dominating at his position, I hope Harbs makes the call.

by Raven_all_day on Aug 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barnes

Barnes is backing up Suggs, correct? Have the Ravens used both Suggs and Barnes on the outside during obvious passing situations during camp, or is the feeling that JJ needs to be out there as well which would keep Barnes off the field? Any thoughts?

by 60minuteassassin on Aug 15, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

No, Barnes has been in on pass rushing packages

along wth both Suggs and JJ. Suggs and Barnes put their hands down and JJ rushes from the LB position.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

SICK

so that’s a 43 package? can you elaborate on this, if you recall exactly who lined up in this package?

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Bruce. That’s what I wanted to hear!

by 60minuteassassin on Aug 15, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely would like to see barnes and suggs on the field at the same time. That’s a nasty pass rush.

by AV23 on Aug 15, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Barnes is kind of like Kindle 2.0.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way!

Barnes is stocky and solid, while Kindle is built like a physical freak. Or was.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 15, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until he descended down the steps like a Jackovasauris. As raven would say.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Kindle is kind of like Kindle 2.0 when he’s not descending stairs like a Jackovasauris.

by raven on Aug 15, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Concussions can be reduced if they created a fluid that can be pumped into the skull providing a gel barrier between brain and bone. im thinking the stuff used in Stretch Armstrong.

by raven on Aug 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Oldest band guy above..

BS

this duo has been having there pictures taken from Cincy to DC. everywhere he goes he’s the “oldest band” dude. what a schtick they have. i overheard them requesting a room at the Best Western with 1 twin bed and a 2nd ice bucket. weird.

by raven on Aug 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

You are not well

Get back on the “medicine.”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would that be? You banning him?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ngata = black night in Goofy jousting cartoon.

by Keith R on Aug 17, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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