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Who has the goods to make a deal with us?

When looking for a trade partner, there are 2 factors you need to look for: depth at the position you need on the other team, and a need on the other team at a position of strength on you own team.  In my fantasy leagues, they call me trader jack, because I do many trades.  I succeed in finding willing trade partners by looking at their roster and seeing what they need, and then offering them what they need for what I need.  With that in mind, here are some teams that might make willing trade partners for Ozzie and the ravens, if, as Adam Schefter reports, there is another move in our future.

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1) Seattle Seahawks: Although Marcus Trufant is not going anywhere, there is an interesting battle for the starting spot opposite him between former Md CB Josh Wilson and Kelly Jennings.  Wilson has had great numbers the past 2 years, with 76 tackles, 4 int (1 td), 3 ff and 1 sack in 08 and 45 tackles, 2 int (2 tds), and 1 sack in 4 less games in 09.  Jennings, 28, was their 1st rounder in 2006 and has contributed every year since then, averaging 42 tackles over 4 years, but only recording 1 pick.  Behind them are are a few rookies and 2nd year players, so their depth is not great, but since they are likely not a contender to win their conference, if they can bolster themselves at other positions of weakness by dealing one CB, they might be willing to do it.  As for need, although they are loaded at LB with Tatapu, Hawthorne, Curry and Leroy Hill, the run a 4-3 and could lack any experience or proven players on the line outside of DT Chris Cole and DE Chris Clemons.  They have solid backups in Lawrence Jackson and 09 pick Nick Reed, and Brandon Mebane has been solid yet unspectacular so far in his career, but overall they are lacking on the D-line.  Their depth at LB could also be bolstered.

2) Denver Broncos- Champ Bailey is likely a pipe dream as we likely wouldn't offer more than a player and a 3rd rounder, and they would want at least a 2nd rounder.  But they also have several other nice players at the position, and a need with Dumervil out for the year and potential replacement Jarvis Moss breaking his hand, leaving an already weak unit weaker.  They could use help at both ILB and OLB, and their need for a pass rush without Dumervil is great.  Andre Goodman, who signed with Denver the same time we signed Foxworth, is a solid player who might be around the right value for one of our LB's.  Other CB's on their roster are Alphonso Smith, who so far has been a bust; Nate Jones, a 6 year vet with lots of playing time in Dallas and Miami, and 2010 5th round pick Perrish Cox.  

3) Chicago Bears- They have plenty of depth at CB, even after letting former Pro-bowl CB Nathan Vasher walk.  Their abundance of skilled include Zachary Bowman, Charles Tillman, Danieal Manning and Corey Graham, all experienced CB's in the league.  They also have 2009 4th rounder D.J. Moore and FA signee Tim Jennings, a significant contributor on Indy's super bowl champion team. Manning and Graham would be our most likely targets, both players who have over 90 tackles in a season recently.  They have players who could definitely help us; the problem is what to give them.  They seem pretty loaded at our positions of strength, with players like Peppers, Tommie Harris, Mark Anderson and  Anthony Adams at D-line, and incumbents Urlacher, Briggs and Hillenmeyer at LB.  They could probably use depth at those positions, especially D-line, but I am not sure that would be enough to deal one of these CB's unless they would have to cut someone they like alot. Their major need is O-line, and I am not sure I like our depth enough to deal anyone from our team this year.  However, it is possible they would want to deal if we were willing to deal a S.  At the FS spot, they have a 2nd year player starting and a rookie backup.

4) NY Giants-  They are pretty solid on the D-line, but their LB leave much to be desired with the fragile Michael Boley on one side, and 2nd year LB Clint Sintim on the other.  Their CB depth is basically at the 2/3 spot, where Terrell Thomas has a firm hold on the #2 spot which he took from Aaron Ross due to injury.  After Ross, they are actually just a collection of rookies and undrafted young players, so it is unlikely they deal their proven #3, even if it fills needs.

 

In conclusion:  There would seem to be 3 very good teams that fit our needs with their needs.  Out of the proven players out there, Kelly Jennings, Andre Goodman, Danieal Manning and Corey Graham, I think there are several good options out there.  Our assets include: Antwan Barnes, Taveres Gooden, Jason Phillips, Jameel McClain, Brandon McKinney, Arthur Jones, Kelly Talavou, Lamar Divens, Haruki Nakamura, Willis McGahee and Mark Clayton.  Players like Arthur Jones and Phillips are not going to net us much, and Willis and Nakamura will serve us better if we hold on to them.  The ones who should be the most attractive to other teams are Barnes, McClain, McKinney and Talavou.  Cheap, unproven talent with upside.  My favorite out of the players I listed are Manning and Jennings, with Manning the better choice in my opinion. The question is what the bears would want from us for him.  Denver may be a better fit due to their sudden need of a pass rush, with a player like Barnes being a good fit.  Barnes and a 4th for Goodman.  If Seattle is the match, we could probably offer Barnes and a DT like McKinney, Divens or Talavou for Jennings.  Any of these scenarios would make me happy! 


Poll
Who would you prefer out of these choices?
Danieal Manning
15 votes
Andre Goodman
17 votes
Corey Graham
2 votes
Kelly Jennings
11 votes

45 votes | Poll has closed

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hmmmm I think The Ravens will not trade if Ladarius Webb gets the confidence in his legs

to go out and play before the season starts. I saw a video where Ladarius Webb had said his leg is doing fine he just wants to work to get confidence in it which may not take long for him to do; I think bringing in a good Veteran Cornerback would be great and a trade may be a good idea to do so.

by jazz20 on Aug 10, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

No chance Webb starts the season

He doesn’t have full range of motion in his leg yet. No chance he is ready to play in a month.

by DT711 on Aug 10, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats the same thing they said about fabian and look at him now but we will see

I think that it will be more exciting to see what talent we already have in the young cornerbacks in the preseason

by jazz20 on Aug 10, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No jazz

I do not remember them ever saying that there was no chance fabian would be ready in a month. people expected him to be ready a few weeks into the season, so the beginning of the season isnt that much earlier. If you have anything to backup that claim, I would love to see it.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fabo got hurt like 4 weeks earlie than lardarius

so this makes sense

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he had surgery

Nearly two months prior to Webb. I’m not sure when Fabian had his surgery, but I know Webb did not get his done until the second week or so of January.

by DT711 on Aug 11, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting....

Great post Bruce! I like all the mentioned names but I would go for Corey Graham. He seems to give us the best combo of size, (taller than our dbs) age, and trade value. A Kelly Jennings addition would be nice, but he would cost too much. I would also like to see how our cb’s do in the preseason before we trade some of the in-house talent.

How is Jason Phillips doing? I’m rooting for him. After looking at his college resume he seems like a keeper. How has he done in training camp? Is there effects from his past training camp injury? Seems like a quality LB.

by mhrobitaille8320 on Aug 10, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love Charles Tillman or Josh Wilson. That would be a good situation for sure.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 10, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Peanut

Tillman is not very good, although I suppose he is better then what we’re working with right now.

by DT711 on Aug 10, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tillman

2009: 78 tackles, 2 int (1 td), 6 ff
2008:93 tackles, 3 int (1 td), 4 ff

Is that a bad corner? 7 seasons, 22 ff, 21 int, 3 for tds.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I know

Is I watched him in 3 or 4 games last year and he got burned repeatedly each game. For example, Chad Johnson killed him and had 10 catches for 118 yards and 2 TD’s in their match up. Peanut was matched up on Chad for the majority of his catches.

Maybe he does a lot better during games I don’t watch (I’ve seen an admittedly small sample size – 2-4 games/year) but from what I’ve seen, hes an average NFL corner and gets burned a lot. Stats are nice, but they don’t have a stat for getting torched readily available (If someone does, please post), so I’m going with what I’ve seen to this point.

by DT711 on Aug 11, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

All that said

The Bears should have a greatly improved pass rush this year, so Tillman should look a lot better. A major factor could be that they had no pass rush last year, and as a result, Peanut and other CB’s were often burned.

by DT711 on Aug 11, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh

I recall Scouts Inc and Football Outsiders BOTH having their beefs with Tillman for the last few years now. I’m not sure I want him. But by the same token, I can’t recall the articles I read or exactly what their beefs were, and I’d be lying if I told you I’ve seen a lot of Bears game-tape recently.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

I’m in a similar spot. I have not been impressed by what I’ve seen or read about Tillman, but I haven’t watched enough Bears games to make a definitive conclusion on him. As of now, I’ll pass on trading for him, especially because we’d be paying a major premium right now.

by DT711 on Aug 11, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think we should go after Tillman anyways. If you read what I wrote, I love Manning and think he would be great for us. If not, then Graham is not a bad option either.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson

I don’t like him cuz he is tiny, and outside of Webb our only big CB in our top 4 (Webb Washington Foxworth Carr) is Carr.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 10, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think the bears will give up manning for what we would be willing to give up for him. I heard Lovie Smith loves him and was constantly saying how he is the most athletic person on their whole team.

by AV23 on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

av-

depends on what we are willing to give up for him. barnes and a dt like mckinney or talavou? not a bad haul for a #2/#3 CB, but i would be willing to give up that for him. we have enough depth at both positions that we are going to have to make some tough choices and cut some players we like out of the list above in the article. trading 2 players for 1 would shore up our weakness and enable us to use the other spot on a diff player we like who we wouldnt have been able to keep otherwise like Arthur Jones or Jason Phillips.

We have 5 spots for backup DT, DE and LB if we keep the normal amount at each of the other positions. This list includes: Antwan Barnes, Taveres Gooden, Jason Phillips, Jameel McClain, Brendon Ayanbadejo, Edgar Jones, Albert McClellan, Prescott Burgess, Brandon McKinney, Arthur Jones, Kelly Talavou, and Lamar Divens.

I would assume 3 spots to LB and 2 to DL. If he is healthy, BA will grab one spot, and barring a trade, Antwan Barnes will grab another. From what I hear, McClain has been a beast, and due to his ability to play inside and outside, I would guess he gets the other spot. Gooden would be there at least to start instead of Kindle, who it sounds like will start out injured. At DT, I havent seen whats going on in practices, but I would love for them to keep Arthur Jones at one spot. Lets assume we keep Talavou at the other, although it is possible we would keep just 7 DL men since we use a 4-3 some of the time and can use Suggs or JJ on the line. Either way, that means us cutting or trying to move to the practice squad: McKinney, Divens, Phillips, Burgess, McClellan and E. Jones. I don’t care for Burgess, McClellan and E. Jones, but Divens, McKinney will likely be in demand, and possibly Phillips. So I would rather use some of the other guys as assets, fill a hole, and keep some of the less polished assets to develop

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Two teams have to agree on a trade. They wouldn’t want your trash for starters.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Aug 11, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

slim

they are not trash. we just have one of the deepest rosters in football. i promise you whomever gets cut will be snapped up in a second. we have already had teams nosing around seeing what it would cost for many of these players. it is just a matter of finding the right fit for a trade.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

good luck with that.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Aug 11, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah good luck with northeast ohio sports over the next decade. ART MODELL FOR THE HOF!

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 11, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ART MODELL FOR THE HOFHOS ( Hall of Sh*t)

I've been hearing "Fuck You Joey" forever, so whats makes you so special?

by J. W. on Aug 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just feel good for the man.

He was able to finally escape that shit hole of a city… just like LBJ. It just shows how good of an owner he was since your pathetic team hasn’t done shit since starting over.

by ATXRaven on Aug 12, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, and.....

WAAAAAAHHHHHH!! Somebody get this kid a binkie or something.

by ATXRaven on Aug 12, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are a donkey dick.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well we was mad when the colts left us behind to another city

but what that guy wrote about art modell is a little to over the top

by jazz20 on Aug 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trash? Half of our back-ups could start for the Browns.

by Mr MaLoR on Aug 11, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So? That is irrelevant. I still doubt its that many though.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Aug 11, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

just about everyplayer on the ravens team is starter quality maybe some of

our cornerbacks are not but thats just becuase there not too experience

by jazz20 on Aug 12, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can hear the bitterness coming through his keyboard. It must really suck to be a Browns fan.

by BAL_Hawk on Aug 12, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw what Andre Goodman contract is like and its pretty big the broncos

sign him to a five year deal worth 25 million and i saying this becuase i thought it be a good idea for the ravens to go trade for him but i didnt know his contract was that big

by jazz20 on Aug 12, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

as i stated above, he signed a similar contract to foxworth. so he has 4 years left…

by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The Patriots are said to have interest in Willis, But who dothey have that we want. Leigh Bodden maybe. they just signed him though this offseason. Butler was just drated by them so who knows

by Raven_all_day on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah i don't see anything big happening there.

maybe since they got McCourty they’d be comfortable parting ways with Bodden, but I can’t see it. They now have their corner tandem. I expect them to use it.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bills?

They could use an outside pass rusher and some receiver help. They have some good, not great, corners that could help us out. If for some reason they finally figure out that Trent Edwards is a bum, they may take some more looks at Troy Smith…. doubtful, who knows?

by Mayne_Event on Aug 14, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd say their corners are pretty good

but i don’t think they would give one of those guys up

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Aug 15, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random Tidbit

Wilson and Foxworth went to Maryland at the same time, and made up one of the Best Cornerback pairs in the ACC.

by RedTurtle on Aug 14, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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