Jets reject Revis' latest offer
"The New York Jets rejected a contract proposal made last Friday by Darrelle Revis' agents, painting a bleak picture Monday of the contract stalemate. A grim-faced Woody Johnson said he's not optimistic about their chances of signing the All-Pro cornerback to a new contract before the start of the regular season."
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Revis’s mentor (I can’t remember his name. I heard this story on Mike and Mike) is a previous NFL CB who sat out an entire year because he wasn’t pleased with his contract. After the year he sat out, he got traded and then payed the big money he wanted. What do you think he’s telling Revis to do….. yea yea!
also his UNCLE. Very relevant. he's obviously taking his advice here
and I also read on ESPN that Gilbert made a lot of money that he wouldn’t have made if he hadn’t sat out. So Revis is absolutely ready to use the doomsday device on this one.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
So,
Revis clearly isn’t worried about a lockout or anything. And I’m sure he can go TWO years without getting paid, just to make some more money.
On the other hand, I’ll be extremely happy if he misses the game against the Ravens.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Aug 10, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
a guy who figures to make $15 million as soon as he comes back can afford to miss a year… or even two. He can. But other guys who just made a million, which turned into $500,000 until they bought a house and it turned into $200,000 until they bought a car and it turned into $40,000 until they went to the club every weekend with their whole posse and it turned into $10,000 and now they’re living on that? Yeah those guys don’t have a strong hand in negotiations.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
$300K
For a house? Where’d he buy, Idaho?
And he is going to park his $160K ride in the garage of the $300K house in Idaho?
lot of guys live in row homes but own nice rides.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
There usually called drug dealers
I live in the city as well, and I know exactly what your talking about, but most of those guys have dirty money, so they don’t want to have their name on paper (ie; house/mortgage). There are ways to get the title of a car in someone else’s name, so the dirty money can’t be traced.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find a NFL player living in a row house, riding around in a Bentley on 22’s.
not all are drug dealers
some guys just spend their money on different stuff. Obviously Baltimore has a lot of 17 year olds with no jobs but who still drive Range Rovers, so that’s not gonna be a good kid behind the wheel, but not everyone who drops more money on their car than their house is a drug dealer
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I was under the impression that he wasn’t making very much money yet. Didn’t realize he’d gotten a huge bonus last year, just thought he was making like $550k/year.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Aug 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Carolina
Why hasn’t anybody been talking about them for a CB trade? They have a pretty good secondary and could really use the DL help. Trade a couple of DLinemen for Chris Gamble…the guy can play.
typo so I think that the Ravens should still keep eye on the secondary and yes
our wideouts did well against cromartie when he was with the chargers but now he with a
different coach and different system so he may be a little more improve but even if Revis is or is not in the game for The Jets we should still do fine
Sorry Jazz
But thats crazy. Reivis is arguably the best player in the NFL, clearly that will hurt the Jets badly.
You can’t seriously believe that there won’t be a huge drop off with Kyle Wilson, a rookie who has never played a snap in the NFL, compared to Darrelle Reivis, can you?
I’m not saying we will win for sure, thats never a given, but it definitely will have a huge impact on the game if it occurs. With Reivis, I can see the Jets winning 9-11 games and being a probable playoff team. Without, I see them winning 7-9 games and missing the post season. I think him playing gives them two additional wins (And I feel thats conservative). He is that good.
I don't even think they're that good WITH Revis
I’m not sure how they really improved from last year, and that was a team that was 7-7 going on 7-8 before Indy benched Peyton Manning at halftime. I have them pegged as an 8-8 team this year. And without Revis, I can see them losing 9 to 10 games.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
okay so then
I’d take Boldin over Cromartie or Wilson, Cromartie can probably cover Mason, but the Rookie wouldn’t have a prayer of containing Mason for an entire game.
yeassir
just like he won’t be able to cover him this year.
I’m feeling very good about my $50 bet on the Ravens in week 1
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I think Darelle Revis just needs to get on the the football field and play
becuase he still making big money and I think he being too money hungry over one good season; I did not know nothing about Darelle Revis until Rex Ryan got there as The Jets Head Coach
He’s making 1 million this year. Namadi Asamacan’tspellit is making 15 million. The second best player at Revis’s postion is making 15 times the amount he is.
Put yourself in Revis’s shoes. Everyone (including your head coach) is telling you that you’re the best player IN THE WORLD at a important position. Wouldn’t you want to paid like it? Don’t forget your GM and head coach just got nice extensions years in advance. There’s no guarentees regarding injuries, and no guarentees he’s gonna have the type of year he had in ’09 ever again.
I find it pretty funny that Revis is holding out because he wants more money for how good he is, while our boy Ray Rice will be making far less next year and is equally impacting to our team and is out there just handling his business. So glad we don’t have a mess of a situation like this one and it is going to be AMAZING to watch all that drama unfold during hard knocks.
Yea, HBO really got that show on point. Chiefs one sucked a bit because that team was terrible at the time, but this year should be fun to watch.
and Malor-
Revis was at least a mid first round pick, thats good for 20-25 million over the term of the contract. Ray was a 2nd round pick, gets a couple of million over the same amount of time, and is still not whining like a baby.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 10, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else tired of seeing the Revis to Baltimore talks? Man, that would be the worst move we could possibly make.
I told a buddy of mine who wanted us to get Revis that if we did it, we would be hindered from resigning Ngata, Grubbs or Flacco in the future. He responded to me by saying that he would take Revis over Ngata at this point. I nearly fainted.
Yeah that’s just ridiculous. Ngata may not be chalking anything up in the stat column, but he is the key player in our run-stuffing defense. Not to mention what he’s going to help out our edge rushers this year. Give it a year or two, and we won’t even be mentioning Revis in the same sentence as Webb.
"Me no function beer welll without."
by StuckInUtah on Aug 10, 2010 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing about how dumb losing Ngata for Revis is that with Ngata and the rest of our front 7, we can make any secondary look good. I mean, we lost Webb and Fabian last year and had Frank Walker and Chris Carr starting games for us and still finished in the top 10 in pass defense. I don’t care if Revis is the best CB in the league, losing Ngata would allow for more time for the QB to get it where ever he wants.
I love Ngata too. Our DL is now stacked with the addition of Cody.
In some alternate universe, if we could trade Ngata for Revis straight up, I’d do it. We’d be set at all the levels on defense. I’d worry a lot less about the Andre Johnson’s of the world.
I just don’t get it. Yes, Revis is the best CB in the game but Ngata is the best DL in the league. Like I said above, losing him causes this defense to lose so much pressure that would be nearly impossible to get back. I know we love the guys we have playing next to Ngata, but they are not anywhere nearly as good as Ngata is/will be.
Even Revis won’t be able to cover a WR when the QB has all day, just doesn’t work that way.
Ngata > Revis in my opinion based on what they bring to THIS team.
I’m with you that Ngata is more of a difference maker overall. We just lack so much talent at CB, on our team this and next year, we could be better overall if we had Revis than Ngata.
on our team this and next year, we could be better overall if we had Revis than Ngata.
I disagree in so many ways with this statement. DT711, please back me up here.
We are better with Ngata
Without Ngata, we can’t keep blockers off Ray and our other backers. He commands a double team, every play, which allows guys like Suggs, JJ, Pryce… to work one on one, and sometimes go unblocked. Even when Ngata is not getting to the QB or collapsing the pocket, he indirectly improves the pass rush. Without him our corners, even with Reivis, would not be able to cover WRs forever, since we’d lack a solid pass rush.
We just lack so much talent at CB, on our team this and next year, we could be better overall if we had Revis than Ngata.
Next year we will be set at corner, if we can get over the injury bug. As of now its shaping up that our corners for 2011 opening day could be
Foxworth
Webb
Washington
Draft Pick (Its a near certainty that we will draft or pickup a young a CB this offseason)
With our front seven, which should be much improved with a healthy and motivated Suggs, Cody, Kindle (hopefully) etc.. , it will make those guys look amazing.
Add in the fact that Ngata is an extremely high character individual, loves to be a Raven, and is a great teammate, and its a no brainer.
Eh. Still not sold. Our D-line with Redding, Kruger, Cody, Gregg, a faster Suggs, Pryce, and JJ would create enough QB pressure and clog up blockers for Ray to stop the run.
We have no one even close to Revis’s abilities on our squad.
Ballhawk, what say you?
Are any of those guys you listed sure things?
Redding hasn’t produced for years.
Kruger has one solid game in this league. Not proven.
Cody, should be good, but is not a sure thing. He still has question marks.
Gregg has one, max two years left on this team.
Pryce has most likely one, maybe two years left here.
JJ is solid, but hes the only guy you mentioned who can reasonably be counted on for at least the next three years. He is also a OLB, not a DL, so he in no way replaces Ngata.
Ngata is the heart and soul of our line, now and going forward. Once Ray retires, he will be the leader of our defense, and is really irreplaceable.
I would like to hear Hawk’s thoughts as well if he gets a chance to comment.
I'm with DT/Malor
no way we dump Ngata for ANY reason. He’s the Revis of D-Linemen.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I just think that we would value Ngata so much more on this team than we would Revis. Sure Revis is good, but take Ngata out of the picture and we see a HUGE drop off in pressure and especially run defense.
We can bring in guys who are above average CB’s and still have a top 10 pass defense a.k.a the 2009 season. Think about how good our defense will be with Ngata and when Webb pans out, Foxworth gets healthy and we bring in one more guy through the draft.
Don’t you think Revis would have a tougher time if the Jets lost Kris Jenkins, who is right up there with Ngata as one of the best DT in the game.
no
he missed six games. He played in ten. And Ellis is no slouch either.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Revis is a sure thing. Do we currently have one corner that is?
You listed Suggs and Kindle, so I thought we were including them in our Dline.
I was just listing our pass rushers
Since Haloti makes their lives so much easier by demanding a double or triple team every play. Going forward, the only building blocks I see on the D-Line as of now are Cody and Kruger (Maybe Jones), who are still unproven. Ngata is the anchor to that line, and he makes everyone better (on the entire defense, for that matter). In my opinion, losing him would be disastrous to our DL and front seven, and a horrible mistake, even if we got Reivis in return.
“…he makes everyone better (on the entire defense, for that matter).”
The same could be said having Revis for our pass defense. He doesn’t need safety help. We could role coverage to help the other DB’s and our pass coverage would be solid. He basically covers half the field. He’s a solid tackler.
Picture a free roaming Ed Reed when he doesn’t have to look after a teams #1 receiving option.
Ballhawk, would we be better this year with Revis or Ngata?
I will definitely say he chooses Ngata. Listen, he is not coming here. I don’t even know why there are people here who are saying that losing Ngata is alright by any case. What makes you think we could sign this guy with the money he is asking for? Don’t you think the Jets would have done that by now if it was so easy and there was a possibility of no cap next year?
It just makes no sense what so ever to lose the best D-Lineman in the league who has been bred to be successful in our system for a guy who would be in his first year here.
For what the Ravens want to do, Ngata >>>>>>>>>>> Revis
Revis takes away half the field, but you can still throw to the #2 and #3 WR and the TE, plus the RB. Ngata increases the pressure to make all the CB and the covering LB look better.
Does no one besides me remember 2008 when we had Rolle and Washington as our starters, and 2 of our other CB’s wer eWalker and Ivy, and we still had the #2 pass D in the league. That was Ngata, a healthy Suggs, and some help from our other pass rushers. Revis doesn’t do that; Ngata does!
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
“Ngata increases the pressure to make all the CB and the covering LB look better.”
Revis would do the same thing for the DL. If you can cover longer and better, it gives you more time to get to the QB.
The shit works both ways.
so by your argument, it is at best a wash between the two. But one guy is asking for an all-galaxy contract of “Derek Jeter” proportions, and one guy is a “true Raven” who is an established leader on the field and in the locker room.
Even by your logic, it makes no sense to lose Ngata for Revis.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
youre not getting it...
Revis would do the same thing for the DL. If you can cover longer and better, it gives you more time to get to the QB
If Revis was guarding Ochocinco, then without a pass rush, Carson would have 10 seconds to get the ball to the other players on the field, whether TO over the middle, Gresham deep, or Benson out of the backfield.
If Ngata is rushing the passer, the QB has 3 seconds, whether to throw to Ocho, TO, Gresham or Benson. Not only that, he is on the run half the time while he is throwing, while in the Revis scenario he can sit calmly and choose where to throw the ball
So even though Revis takes one player totally out of the game, Ngata makes it easier for every other defender on the team, where as Revis only affects one player, albeit totally removing him from the play
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So no one else on our team could ever get to a QB without Ngata…. that makes no sense.
Revis affects an entire defense as well. By covering up their best offensive weapon, we don’t have to put the two or three guys on him that we would have had too. Thus letting the extra players cover / blitz / or play patty cake if they want too.
So even though Revis takes one player totally out of the game, Ngata makes it easier for every other defender on the team, where as Revis only affects one player, albeit totally removing him from the play
Easier, not impossible without.
You make one valid point; no double teams on a WR with an elite corner like Revis. But I would rather a player who makes everyone elses life easier than a player who frees up 1 safety from having to double team. On a side note, Ngata requires a double team so he any ways frees up someone on the defense to do something else, just like Revis.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
“On a side note, Ngata requires a double team so he any ways frees up someone on the defense to do something else, just like Revis.”
There you have it. They do different jobs, but as a whole they make an entire defense better.
With our lack of quality CB’s, and our glut of talent on the DL, wouldn’t Revis be more benficial for us this year than Ngata?
jackma-
This is year it would make sense (I know it’s not happening). Without a #1 or #2 even on the squad, Revis would mean more to this team than Ngata because of the depth we have at Dline.
Don’t think Ngata doesn’t want a similar level contract.
This was all a hypothetical anyway.
As Malor already stated above, even if we had Revis instead of Ngata it wouldn’t do any good because opposing QB’s could just sit back and wait for an open receiver. Without Ngata collapsing the pocket we would get picked apart. Revis may better suit OTHER teams more than Ngata would, but not THIS team. Besides, let Bruce’s “dread theory” soak in for another year or two and we’ll have our shutdown CB in Webb (minus the $50million contract)
"Me no function beer welll without."
by StuckInUtah on Aug 10, 2010 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on…. so no one else on our team can get to the QB?
Suggs had his two best sack years before Ngata was drafted.
And I expect him to have his best year ever in 2010. The guy is ready to show he is a top 5 pass rusher.
Blitz
those sack numbers for Suggs are in the 4-3. He won’’t put up that many sacks in the 3-4, and Ngata makes it easier for him to get to the QB in the 3-4.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 11, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
His numbers were only 12 and 10 sacks those years. If he can’t put up those totals now, there’s no way in hell we should have paid him what we did.
Lots of OLBs put double digit sacks in the 3-4. James Harrison, Lamar Woodley, Demarcus Ware, Elvis Dumerville, etc.
Ngata does make it easiar, but so would Revis. The longer you cover a guy, the more time you have to get to the QB.
We expect 8-10 sacks from him, but that doesn’t take into account that he sinks back into pass coverage alot more than those other LB’s. If you want a stat that shows that Suggs is in pass coverage more, here it is. Last 3 years, Suggs 20 PD, Woodley 8 PD, Ware 11, Harrison 7 PD, Dumervil 7 PD. In Suggs first 3 seasons when he had double digit sacks, he also totalled 9 PD. That is because all he could do is rush the passer. His covering skills were seriously lacking.
Now he is a complete all-around monster who can do everything well. If you were expecting a Freeney or Dumervil type season out of him, you will likely never get it. But if you appreciate all he brings to the table, he is a stud.
If you don’t get why we like a good pass rush over 1 stud CB, then you probably never will. Good luck.
Ngata does make it easiar, but so would Revis. The longer you cover a guy, the more time you have to get to the QB.
This is like saying that just like if you have a great pass game with a great QB like Peyton, you would also if you have a great WR like Andre Johnson. You would still rather have Peyton over Andre, because Peyton can effect all the WR on the field and Andre only effects himself.
In this analogy, Peyton= Ngata and Andre= Revis! Get it?
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, we paid Suggs not only for his QB pressure. He may be THE BEST OLB in the league playing the run and in pass coverage. I have heard this from numerous outlets outside of the Ravens fanbase. Suggs does it all and does a damn good job of it.
Malor
when you like my comments, give me rec’s :)
on a side note, when is the beatdown draft? i can’t figure out a time…
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“In this analogy, Peyton= Ngata and Andre= Revis! Get it?”
Oh I get it. It doesn’t mean it’s true though.
There is no QB’s of defense. The closest thing to a QB of a defense would be a Troy Polomalu type player. A player that can blitz, play the run, cover any person on the field, and hit like Diesel truck.
Why are you telling me how good Suggs is?
Ngata effects every player on the defense the way Peyton effects every player on offense.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No he doesn’t. He effects his WR and the safety who doesn’t have to double -team that WR. Ngata demands a double team and still causes pressure, affecting every defensive player.
If you don’t get the difference, oh well!
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the difference. Ngata has mind powers that affect the QB when he does get stopped, Revis doesn’t. I see your point….
Explain to Me
With no cap this year, and who knows what the CBA will look like for next year, how that guarantees we would be hindered from also signing Ngata, Flacco, et al if we were through some miracle of miracles acquire a Revis or Aso?
From my understanding, that whole salary cap matter would only be for about 1 year. We have to look at this situation 3,4,5 years from now. And what if we did trade for Revis and this CBA thing was figured out and the salary cap stayed? We would be f***ed.
Then We Worry
About it 3,4, 5 years form now. Look, even if it means Revis or Aso are essentially one-year “rent-a-players” I would still try to get them if it gets us to the promised land this year.
To get Reivis
You would have to give him a huge contract with many years and a shit load of guaranteed money. Its not a 100% certainty, but the cap projections for the new CBA would not allow us to resign all our studs with Reivis on the books. Maybe you could cut him after one season and accelerate the cap hit to make it work, but Biscotti can not, and will not, pay Reivis $50 million guaranteed (which is approx. what he will demand) for one year. Ngata, Grubbs, Flacco and Rice are going to get serious money and we don’t want to spend it all up, cap or no cap.
If it was feasible to get Reivis and give him a one year, $20 million contract, just for this season, I’d do it in a heartbeat. But thats not happening.
The "uncapped" year is what is confusing people
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
exactly what I was just typing. Revis is the last guy we want to look at right now.
What we have to worry about is “future and potentially past retroactive Cap accounting, as there will be accounting for what is done this year in the future and maybe even looking back. There are rumblings that team spending in this uncapped year will be accountable at some point in the future, and that teams cannot simply press the File Delete button on 2010.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20100728_brady_manning_contract_issues_part_ii
We do the Ngata deal next year for ~$45m guaranteed, and in the next three years we resign Rice then Flacco—we’re lucky those guys are playing for peanuts right now. Those deals will eat up a TON of cap space.
Revis is looking to lock up his financial security for the rest of his life in case he suffers a career-ending injury—he’s not looking for a 1-yr deal. That means BIG guaranteed money in exchange for a multi-year contract, handcuffing us for years to come, and then maybe we have to trade Rice for a song, because we can’t fit a new contract in the cap. Then we’d be getting screwed today and then again 2 years from now.
"future and potentially past retroactive Cap accounting, as there will be accounting for what is done this year in the future and maybe even looking back. There are rumblings that team spending in this uncapped year will be accountable at some point in the future, and that teams cannot simply press the File Delete button on 2010."
This is exactly the reason that overpaying a guy like Revis or Aso would not be smart. Sure it helps us next year as Vlad said. However Vlad, do we really just want to risk the future of this team for winning it all next year? Don’t you want to have a contender year after year? Ozzie certainly knows how to do that and getting Revis might not allow us 3,4,5 years from now to resign the cornerstones of our team such as Grubbs, Oher, Flacco and Rice. Not worth it in my opinion.
Billick and a Bunch of Folks
Have all stated you control what you can and do not worry about what you cannot control.
Nobody knows what the CBA is going to look like -there can be grumblings about this, that and the other (heck, there are grumblings in me that monkeys are going to fly out of my a$$, but that could be due more to the Hooters wings I ate last night….) point is, we cannot control what the future CBA will be like, but we CAN control what players we have on our team this year.
Prior to all the cumulative injuries suffered by our CB’s (and Foxworth was the final straw), I would have been happy to stand pat with our roster, even with Washington and Webb coming back from injuries and Reed being more gimpy than expected, I still would have felt very secure in our chances, as is. But at this point, our chances are diminished and we can mitigate that. I agree that if the Ravens were to go over the top for a Revis or Aso, there is potential future risk a la cap hits down the road. But we are soooo close, I feel it is worth risk: play big, ya win big; play small, ya don’t…
Finally, let us look at the $50M guaranteed, plus the out years of the mega contract. If you can get the player for $70M total, even if $50M of it is guaranteed, if you cut them after three years, the cap hit is $23M for each of the three years and that is if the future CBA works like the past. $23M a year for a player like Revis or Aso is expensive but it is not crazy, especially when the cap will probably be pushing $150M per team -I am only guessing for that figure as I have no insight into the future CBA.
I also have a sneaky suspicion that if the Ravens were to win it all this year, subsequent retirements would clear a lot of cap space. Probable retirements: Reed, Ray Lewis, Birk, Mason, Pryce, Heap. Other players that would/could/maybe be moved out for a variety of reasons: Gaither, Stallworth, MaGahee, Clayton, plus some other OL’s and LB’s. Yes, it would hurt, but it would not be the end of the world.
I do not think it would be impossible to keep Aso/Revis, Boldin, Flacco, Rice, McClain, Oher, Ngata, Suggs and most (but not all) of our young, up and coming talent.
I am sure the folks who understand this way better than I do i.e. Ozzie, Dick Cass et al are working through all these scenarios to figure out what is in the “realm of the possible” and what is not.
I do not think it would be impossible to keep Aso/Revis, Boldin, Flacco, Rice, McClain, Oher, Ngata, Suggs and most (but not all) of our young, up and coming talent.
If you look at the projected contract numbers those guys will get if they keep improving, we might not be able to resign them all, even without picking up Reivis. I have a feeling we might have to let McClain walk at some point, as much as I hate to say it.
I also think that while the Ravens are trying to win this year, they are not going to mortgage the future. This team has so many quality young players, that we will be contenders after Ray and Ed hang up the cleats. Flacco, Rice, McClain, Grubbs, Oher, Ngata, Suggs, Landry, JJ.. I truly believe they are trying to build a dynasty, winning 10+ games a year, and won’t mortgage the future (to the extent of signing Reivis) just to solidify their run this year.
Put it this way vlad, if this CBA stuff was not a problem and there was no cap next year, don’t you think THE JETS would have signed Revis by now? What makes you think it could in any way be possible to sign a guy who is looking for about 10 years $160 million?
Well, if it Really is
Ten for 160, then I completely agree and support Woody Johnson and then, yes, Revis landing with the Ravens is a non-starter.
I do not know what Revis is asking for and I do not know what the Jets would expect in a trade. I do not know what the parameters would be surrounding the Aso scenario either. All I know is, we are not as good at CB as we were during last season -that is a fact we can all agree on, at the present moment. Yes, Webb could be back sooner than expected; Fabian could be back even sooner; and then we would be just peachy. But in the meantime, how many loses will we suffer because of a lack of a decent CB in the early part of the season? Will we lose another close game to Cincy because Chad-85 beats Travis Fisher late in the fourth quarter…?
And then we will regret not having made a move for a corner. Just like last year we could have used a higher impact receiver than Kelley Washington.
I can just see us losing one or two early games that we should have won, getting a six seed in the playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6 rather than wining 12 or 13 and getting a #2 seed, getting a week to rest while our playoff opponent gets beat up on.
i share your thoughts on CB. I keep hoping one of these days I’ll wake up to the news that Ozzie made some genius move to bring in Andre Goodman or some other starting-caliber CB. I guess we just have to hope for the best.
I do worry about our CBs late in games though. Because in those situations, the pressure will separate the men (T.O., 85) from the boys (Carr, Fisher, etc).
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Did you guys see this from the Baltimore Sun?
Too bad BB beat them to it by over a whole day. Hensley must be a Beatdown reader…
Herm Edwards brought up an interesting point on NFL Live today. He stated that maybe the Jets have made a huge mistake with how they have been so active in free agency and trades the last few years. Bringing in all these guys such as Bart Scott, Leonhard, Taylor, Holmes, Cromartie, Edwards, LT and so on may have hurt them in this Revis situation.
Edwards stated that the Jets should focus first and foremost at spending their money on the guys who are true Jets before they keep giving up draft picks and bringing in big name guys who have a history of big bucks. All those signings and trades might be the reason this Revis situation is going on right now.
indeed, Rex has shot himself in the foot with the SB talk
In NEEDING to win THIS year, he’s loaded up with mercenaries like Cromartie who may not have their heart in it, not building for the future the way Ozzie would.
Jets took advantage of the special uncapped year rules by dumping Faneca so they wouldn’t have to make good on the guaranteed money they overpaid him 2 years ago, realizing their mistake now. They won’t be able to do that again anytime soon, no 2nd chance to reconsider the deal, and now they have to deal with all these new guys while simultaneously MAGNIFYING the Cromartie headache.
An unenviable position.
“This is what I would like to have happen,” Ryan said on Day 11 of Revis’ holdout. "Everybody put their cards on the table. Have Darrelle come here with anybody he wants. We’ll have Mr. Johnson here. We’ll call off practice. We’ll have our whole team there and meet.
“That way there’s no he said-she said. Just get the thing done.”
I’m wondering how involved the Jets front office was in thinking up this scheme.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
This is Just Crazy
I am not sure good crazy or bad crazy, but it is crazy. I guess if it works, it is good crazy. Rex did say he was going to shake things up when he took the job last year. Well, this is shaking things up and will keep the scribes happy as this is a great story.
Did anyone see Hard Knocks last night? It was all about drama. Half of the episode was about Revis and in every team meeting, Revis was brought up. It can’t be good for these guys to hear the coaches time after time mentioning how much they miss him.
One part of the episode, Rex was going around from room to room saying goodnight to all his players. While he was doing this, he went to Revis’ room and was saying “Revis, are you here? Come on home Revis.”
I also counted maybe 50 times that the F bomb was dropped by Rex Ryan.
I am not Sure
As a grown professional football player, how I would feel about Rex Ryan coming into my room to wish me a “goodnight”. It is one thing for a coach as everybody is departing the last meeting of the evening to tell them to get a good night’s rest, etc, be prepared to go full throttle first thing in the morning, etc; but to get tucked in by Rex Ryan, I am not sure that is not creepy on some level…
And knowing full well that Revis is not around and to talk to oneself like that, I know that growing up in the Ryan household was probably not the most idyllic situation, but now I am beginning to question Ryan’s mental and emotional state…. Of course, this could just for show for the cameras.
Do not have HBO, BTW, so no Hard Knocks for me.
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