Foxworth Out for the Season
by Ampallang on Jul 30, 2010 10:47 AM EDT
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Foxworth hurt his knee thursday if out for an extended period major blow to ravens defense
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Foxworth will need surgery to repair the damage out for the season
Foxworth tore his ACL and is out for the season. Queue the hysteria.
Washington is practicing now after passing his physical Thursday, but this -- combined with Reed and Webb -- is a major concern for our secondary.
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Wow
Three starting quality CB’s who tore ACL’s in past year. Sucks.
Any solid FA CB’s out there? At this point I don’t think money would be an issue after this blow.
Any solid FA CB’s out there? At this point I don’t think money would be an issue after this blow.
Frank Walker is going to be able to make it rain. That’s a really depressing thought.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
"Frank Walker is going to be able to make it rain."
Do you mean with cash or with spit?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
dont get too excited here this is probably just a rumor i saw on baltimoreravens.com that
he limp of the field i don’t think if he tore his acl he wouldn’t be limping of the filed somebody would be carrying him off the field
No true at all
First off, this is legit, he did tear his ACL. Secondly, it is very common for people to walk with a limp after tearing their ACL. Sometimes you can tear the ACL and not even know for some time. Many ACL tears are not even that painful, but obviously healthy ligaments are integral to being a high level athlete.
sometimes after ACL tears,
you can still walk WITHOUT a limp. so him limping doesn’t mean anyhting.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
in some cases, yes
but in others, no. it’s a strange injury and not one fully understood yet. For instance, we can’t explain why female athletes are five times as likely to tear their ACLs as men are.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
WHAT?!?!?
This is horrible. I mean obviously there is no reason to doubt Ozzie on his choice of Kindle here but I’m wishing we had chose Kyle Wilson now and not traded down. Obviously couldn’t have foreseen this happening tho
Obviously couldn’t have foreseen this happening tho
Exactly. At this point, our draft is what it is. A more interesting topic is going to be what Ozzie does to rectify this situation now.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
This is about the worst injury that the Ravens could have suffered right now. Even if Ray or Joe were injured, the Ravens would have good backups in Ellerbe and Bulger. At corner, they literally have no one. Even Cary Williams is suspended.
I’m not one to panic, but this is about the worst news we could have had.
by BAL_Hawk on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right
Oz might really have to get creative and explore swinging a trade. I know he hates to give up picks, but if we are really going for a SB run, it might have to be done. Ray is not getting any younger.
I dont think so but it could happen but i dont think we should worry about it too much
we still have ladarius webb that I think will recover pretty soon and the other verteran corners such as Walt Harris and Travis Fisher
So your fine with starting possibly the first half of the year
With a healing Fabian, Carr, Fisher and Harris. Really?
I’m as much of a homer as the next guy, but that will not get it done.
Very doubtful Webb can go before week 6 IMO.
Ok we got Travis Fisher,K.J Gerald,Walt Harris,Ladarius Webb(still healing)
Fabian Washington( who off of Pup list) Cary Williams and Prince Miller; What other cornerback can we get its not going to be a big time cornerback that we can trade for.
That is one borderline starter who will be ready to go week 1
Fabian. He was supposed to be our #3 this year.
Like I said above, Webb will not be able to start the season.
We do have a lot of guys, but we’re light on top end talent.
I agree, it will be hard to trade for any big time guy, but hopefully Oz can pick up a solid vet, somehow someway, without getting totally ripped off.
Maybe they can get the Jets to trade Dwight Lowery for Trevor Pryce (a Ryan favorite) and some picks.
They don’t need Lowery with all the depth that they have. Ryan would want Harbaugh’s first-born, though.
I heard Lowery was making the switch to safety...
Or at least practicing there too this year.
"My ambition is handicapped by laziness"
— Charles Bukowski
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know any team that has a decent corner that they’re willing to trade. Ozzie would need to ‘wow’ them with an offer to make it happen, but we all know how he hates to do that. Usually, I would agree, but the Ravens have too much invested in this season to allow such a huge achilles heel.
The only trade that I could think of would be trading Gaither for a corner like Leodis McKelvin and some extra picks, but at this point, there’s no way that the Ravens are going to be on the winning side of any deals that they make.
Its time for Oz
To pull a rabbit out of his hat.
This can not become a situation like the RB position in 2001 after Jamal tore his ACL. We saw how much the Brookins/Allen combo did for us that year.
I’m thinking a trade will be going down.
The Ravens have depth at many positions. Maybe Ozzie can find a CB deep team that needs a RB, LB or T.
we have major depth...
at LB and DL…
We will probably use a few players from this group of players who will be in demand if we cut them (Barnes, McClain, Phillips, McKinney, Talavou and Divens) to get more CB depth. We cannot replace him without picks included, but maybe we can get someone who can be a #2 or #3 cb. Or maybe we take the plunge with Asamougha.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
this what Balitmoreravens.com reported http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/07/30/foxworth-absent-from-practice/
thast dont sound like he tore his acl
yea but....
that article was written at 938am and since then Aaron Wilson has updated us more recently detailing abt the ACL injury. Im pretty sure its for real at this point
by TurtlePower88 on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Wilson is the man. I don’t do Twitter, but I’ve found myself going to his page frequently over the past week or two.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
I think we have enough guys with torn ACLs to start a murderball team now.
by BmoreBlitz on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You know what
As bad as this sounds, it’s really not. Foxworth allowed a lot of catches last year, and I honestly found my self hoping teams didn’t throw to his side. This allows someone else to prove themselves, and maybe we will find a diamond in the rough. I think we will be alright.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
You’re crazy. Foxworth was our best corner last season. This is a huge, devastating loss.
ProFootballFocus.com rates his as the 12th best corner in the league last season based solely on his performance.
Well don’t worry too much. Harbs and Ozzie always have a way of working things out.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither is the Steelers offensive line.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
keep the relevant points coming. your mother also sucks dick in a back alleyway for spare change. that’s a good rebuttal, right?
Toats McGoats
You caught me red handed. Care for a handy?
keep the relevant points coming. your mother also sucks dick in a back alleyway for spare change. that’s a good rebuttal, right?
I guess the Steelers offensive line is a bit of sore spot for you. Should I know about any other topics that bring out the juvenile in you?
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Spoiled milk.
"My ambition is handicapped by laziness"
— Charles Bukowski
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 30, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What about spilt milk?
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Aww, Are you guys sad that you just signed the most penalized OL in the NFL?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i lol'd
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jul 30, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow!!!!!
Who would thunk it. BW the voice of reason. I sure as hell your’re correct.
Panic never got anyone anywhere.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I just shit my pants with that comment.
Anyhow… Off to eat lunch at the Harbor and watch the freaks from Otakon.
by ATXRaven on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We're really going to be fine
Washington was taken off of PUP today, and Webb is healing up nicely. Honestly I’m not that worried.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
pass the xanax.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
That word is a Palindrome
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Owl ate my metal worm.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we can explore with Zbikowski at CB
He was solid at FS, maybe that can transfer over to CB. And we have a capable Hamlin until Reed comes back. Anyone else think that would be worth a shot?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
Hamlin isn’t cemented at FS is he? His position Rank is DB, So doesn’t that mean he can play CB, FS, or SS?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Hamlin, especially at this stage in his career, cannot play CB.
Unfortunately, this is not Madden 2011, its real life.
Speaking of Madden 2011, I have the Wii, and the new franchise mode looks bad-ass for it.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m just hoping that Williams can play or the Ravens find an undrafted FA gem. That could make a big difference.
Back in the day player’s used to play multiple positions. Maybe Stallworth could Play CB. He’s fast can catch and has dreads. The dreads automatically makes you good at any position.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
more chance we move Nakamura or Mark Clayton than Zbikowski
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
we’ll see if he keeps smiling after that
by TurtlePower88 on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Good plan punch a facemask. That will defiantly hurt the receiver. Yall are already short on DB’s do you need more with broken hands?
hahha
ok idiot steelers fan taking things too seriously
by TurtlePower88 on Jul 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
punch his adams apple
it could kill him,but hey, contact sport right?
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
That calls for a challenge of the mind...
Quick, what is the average wing speed velocity of a sparrow?
I'm somebody.....
who understands a joke when it is presented. And an astrophysicist at NASA Goddard if that counts for anything….
by TurtlePower88 on Jul 30, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's quite a coincidence!
Klompus has a pen that astronauts use. It even writes upside down!
So can R. Kelly, what’s your point?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty Good
I’ll take a rocket scientist from Goddard any day of the week over a Steeler fan…
Just kidding, there a few smart people in the Pittsburgh area, most of them work at CMU’s CERT…
I like it.
Might as well put Ruki in the other CB spot and let him roundhouse kick the opposing WR on the line.
You know, that’d probably be better than putting Frank Walker in and having the penalty assessed 30 yards down the field.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
frank walker should just carry his own flag.
any time he gets subbed in, he can just toss it, and the Refs can call a “pre-emptive” illegal contact on Walker just to get it out of the way
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Do you guys think Al Davis is Senile enough
To let us trade a second and 4th round pick for Nnamdi?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
no… but he would trade for any random player that can run a 4.3 40. Let’s sign one real quick and trade.
CURTIS STEELE
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Stallworth
Runs a 4.3
I know everybody is high on him in Raven purple, but if Oakland made us an intriguing offer of some combination of Asomugha for Stallworth, with other reasonable stuff thrown in, I think we have to at least answer the phone call…
you have to wonder if Al Davis really runs that team right now. Because they’ve been pretty savvy this off-season and it doesn’t seem like they’re really all that prone to trade-rape anymore.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
That is
Unfortunate.
I kind of liked pinching Al’s O2 tube until he squealed like pig and gave in to our demands. Oh well…
so you’ve seen The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans? I’m guessing that’s where your inspiration came from…
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Funny You Mention
That movie as we sat down to watch it not too long ago. About as bad a movie as I have seen in along time. Not “Showgirls” awful, but just really bad.
I actually liked that movie
I can see what it’s not for everyone, but i certainly found it entertaining.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
They could probably get Asomugha for a 2nd round pick but would have to swallow his insane contract.
We could restructure it couldn’t we? I mean I think he would ecstatic to get out of Oakland and play for a contender. I think he would be willing to re-negotiate.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well is McGahhe still getting paid a lot, or have we made him take a pay cut?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If we re-work his contract to about 3 year-10-15 Mil
We could substitute his huge contract with Nnamdi’s. And Is Carlos Rodgers still available?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
McGahee’s contract:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=2265
Signed a seven-year, $40.12 million contract. The deal contains $15 million guaranteed, including a $7.5 million signing bonus and a $6.5 million roster bonus in the second year. 2009: $620,000 (+ $1.5 million roster bonus), 2010: $3.6 million, 2011: $6 million, 2012: $6.5 million, 2013: $7.2 million, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charges: $4.87 million (2009), $6.35 million (2010), $8.75 million (2011), $9.25 million (2012), $7.5 million (2013).
I didn’t realize he was making that much money before I looked into it.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
When we traded for him, we expected him to be our starter. And Madden had him listed at like a 5 year 40 mil deal, and I wanted to see if there was any truth to that. If we can renegotiate with him, we could clear up a lot of cap space.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He's really irrelevant when talking about cap space
The Ravens will most likely cut McGahee next off season anyway. The issue with signing someone like Nmadi (not that we could even get him) is having the funds available to extend Ngata, Flacco, Rice, Oher, Grubbs… down the line.
The issue with Asomugha is his contract.
It’s been rumored that the Raiders have shopped him around before, so I think that we could get him. The problem is that no one wants to pay a corner as much as Peyton Manning.
Except that
At worse, we would only have Asomugha for only a year. If it wins us a shiny new Lombardi, who cares if he is gone next Spring?
For 2010, money is not an issue as 2010 is an uncapped year. Stevie B has intimated that he is willing to spend whatever it takes -my words and my interpretation.
If the deal with Oakland is a Heap, Gaither, Troy (sorry MaLoR), an LB and second rounder, I say do it and laugh all the way to Dallas.
I thought he already signed with the Texans
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He tried out with them, but I don’t think there’s been any news of him signing with them.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Lets hope
Walt Harris has some juice left in his tank.
Maybe we can bring back Brad Jones
The Db we cut earlier in the off-season.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
On the bright side
The Orioles won a game last night.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
Dont worry guys im going to be sign as a cornerback for depth for the ravens lol
but really losing domique foxworth is a big lost but this leaves room for the younger guys to shine and the other veterans we have as cornerbacks
I give up
I have tried to be optimistic about this whole secondary issue the entire off season, but now it just sucks. Honestly, our Superbowl ambitions might have just gone out the window. Practice was great this morning, but this just kills everything. Let’s take a look at our current situation come week 1.
1. Chris Carr (lol)
2. A 36 year old Walt Harris who couldn’t even pass the conditioning test
3. Travis Fisher
4. Prince Miller, a 5’9" undrafted free agent.
LOVE IT!
Don't worry Malor
Baltimore Warrior says we’ll be alright…
by DT711 on Jul 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just pray on it
I mean, we all say Ozzie is a god (football). He’ll get something if he has to.
There is nothing left. At this point, I would consider throwing everything on the table for Asohmuga or whatever the hell his name is.
Reluctantly yes but,
We would get ripped off so bad it would be disgusting. A second and Gaither for McKelvin? I’m not sure the Bills would even go for that.
I Believe
You have just deadpanned the most obvious statement in the history of the BB…
But seriously, you know every GM and GM-wannabe around the league gave Ozzie a call peddling their nickel and dime backs as the next “Duane Starks-!” and wanting the farm, the store, the house and MaLoR’s first born in return…
but MaLoR’s first-born comes with an option for 2011 and MaLoR’s alimony and child support payments, so it’s sort-of a wash. We just don’t have room on the roster for the fetus anymore.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
i'm so sorry
nobody told you…
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Don’t forget that Frank Walker is available!
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
"Honestly, our Superbowl ambitions might have just gone out the window. "
man that’s heartbreaking
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Deshea Townsend is a free agent
Seriously though, I don’t like to see a fellow Terrapin go down.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
Yea, that is what makes it worse. We are screwed. I saw Justin Harper and Eron Riley burning our CB’s all day today. Can’t wait to see what Ward, Moss, Edwards, Ocho, TO, Bryant, Colston are going to do to them.
What do you want for William Gay?
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jul 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
technically
I think thats how it works …
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay so now since Dominque Foxworth is gone everything is gone down hill?
I dont think we should worry the season isnt over and there still talent out there for us to sign or talent that we already have that just need more time to improve. I believe that this is a bad for us to lose Dominque Foxworth but you still have to move forward
Yes, with Foxworth gone everything is going downhill in the secondary. I know we all LOVE our team and think they are all pro bowl players, but when you lose your TOP 3 corners in a pass happy league, bad things tend to happen. What if GB lost Harris and Woodson, NYJ lost Revis, Cromartie, Wilson, CINCI lost Hall, Joesph, Jones, and all those other teams.
Even our backups (Cary Williams) cant play. We are relying on Chris Carr, two castoffs and an undrafted rookie at the moment.
Dude… You just don’t understand.
Corner is the a position where depth is extremely important. In order to match up with other teams receivers, you need to have at least 3-4 good corners. The Ravens have 2 corners coming off injury, and one of them will likely start on the PUP. Now, their most reliable corner tears his ACL. Unbelievable!
Carr is not a starter. I’ve never seen a corner thrown at more than Carr was when he was forced to start last season. Everyone else would be a camp body on most teams. This is a very bad situation. Something needs to be done about it, or the Ravens are going to lose many more games than they should next season.
The steelers have gotten by over the past few years with a bunch of average cb’s and ike taylor, even winning 2 superbowls.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
But you saw
what happened last year when a CB that wasn’t ready to start got in the game, lets just say it wasn’t pretty.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’m probably f’ing the stat up, but I think 75% of all completed passes against the Steeler’s defense were thrown in William Gay’s direction.
yea its around that number
smh
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You know it is bad when your grandmother calls you to tell you that Foxworth just tore his ACL and our secondary is screwed, just like what happened to me.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fred Smoot's out there too I think
I mean, there’s definitley nothing wrong with getting these guys to camp to see what they have.. Lucas is not that old, and a former Pro-Bowler
I would go ahead and sign 2-3 of those guys. If we don’t, Ozzie is making a huge mistake. CHRIS CARR IS OUR #1 RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Right
If any vets want an opportunity to reestablish themselves on a contending team, this is the situation.
Where else would they have a chance to possibly start?
I don’t want it to seem like I am angry about this whole situation and have lost hope, but as of right now we have the worst CB group in the league going into week 1. Undrafted guys and guys who are near retirement are not the answer. Getting any combination of Lucas, Springs, Harper, Smoot would make me feel better, but the guys we have now do not.
If Washington can return at 100% by week one, that would really help. Washington and Carr is below average but serviceable. Washington and Webb would be an average group…
Come week 4-6, we should be fine. But those first 4 games (Jets and 3 division games) is maybe the most important stretch of our season. Having the CB’s we have now could contribute to a 1-3 record during that span.
true but the only good Qb we will see is Carson Palmer.
by Raven_all_day on Jul 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
who will be throwing to T.O. and 85. Imagine Travis Fisher versus T.O. That’s just ugly.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Im expecting Hamlin to be at safety and Tzibikowski to be playing 3rd safety/ corner. Zbi will make an impact this year. We got Dawan knocking guys teeth out. Its not panic time yet
by Raven_all_day on Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
trust me, not happening
never in his career has he played Corner of any kind. it’s a totally different style of running. He doesn’t have the swivel in his hips to cover the whole route tree.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
True bit they guy was a good punt returner, if he can make movers running the ball y cant he shadow someone doing the same. He has the speed too (4.44 40 time)
by Raven_all_day on Jul 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't work like that man
the 40 measures you running in a straight line. It doesn’t measure how you defend a double-move, because I’m guessing Zbi would get juked out of his shoes.
And he can follow guys running with the ball. It’s guys running without the ball that is much harder. Guys running with the ball have to progress downfield, so you take angles to intercept their progress. When covering a guy, you’re not taking an angle on him. You’re trying to change direction as he does, sometimes stopping and starting and making 90 degree turns without losing stride. A safety just isn’t trained for that. We’d be better served by Frank Walker.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
waaaattt, Frank walker was slow as hell thats why he kept holding ppl, i would take my chances with Zbi.
by Raven_all_day on Jul 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank could stay with them, he just couldn’t make a play when the ball was in the air. That’s why he had penalties. They kept him because they kept wanting to fix his mental errors, but after a while it became clear that he was just one of those not-so-astute football players.
Trust me, Zbi won’t look so fast when he’s shifting from a side-step into a backpedal.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
"after a while it became clear that he was just one of those not-so-astute football players."
I’m not trying to break your balls jackma, but that’s a funny understatement.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Petition time
Someone get it started, lets bring Lucas, Smoot and even though he’s 35, Nick Harper in (The guy had 81 tackles last season as a corner)
My choice would be Smoot and Lucas, but Ozzie will see potential in Jason Seahorn before those guys.
Honestly though
I think Ozzie has to see (and i’m sure he does) that we are pretty screwed right now.. Bringing these guys in would be the smart thing to do.. But then again, I have to say i’m surprised that Walt Harris was brought in before these guys were so…. Let’s just cross our finger for this to happen, because if not, no matter how explosive our offense gets this year, we will not be an elite team unless we get some decent converage
I remember
Seahorn, he was good for about a year.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no they are not signed yet I think ken Lucas would fit in fine but we will see what will happen
tommorrow or next week if they decide to sign another cornerback it may even be C-Mac(lol)
This looks familiar
oh yea it was us Steelers fan around halftime Game 1 against the Titans when Troy P. went down.
I mean I’m glad the shoe is on the other foot but I don’t want to make fun of injuries. Lets just say I can sympathize and empathize with you guys.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
This is totally different than what you went through last year. When Troy went down, you didn’t have Taylor, Gay and your #3 go down as well.
I mean
I thought ya’ll was fine before this no? At least that is what you told me.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and by familiar
I mean mass hysteria on the board, people shat their pants when troy went out
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"I mean mass hysteria on the board, people shat their pants when troy went out"
We were all right though. Troy’s injury doomed our season. If I had a crystal ball and saw the 4th quarter of the oakland game RIGHT AFTER the Titans game, I probably would have cried.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
lol
Yea, I agree.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 1, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought so too because we still had our #1 guy. We still had a guy who can cover the other team’s #1 WR, but now that is lost. When you lose that guy, bad things happen.
True
I’m sure ya’ll will pick someone up, you always do. Let it play out and see what the team does first before hitting panic button. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"We still had a guy who can cover the other team’s #1 WR, but now that is lost."
And for this to happen right after TO joins the division is even worse. He’s not that scary, but you need SOMEONE to cover him!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Man yinzes are screwed! depth is wear cinci will try to get you this year
I keep saying they can’t use all their weapons at once, but testing the depth of a team’s defense will probably be their strategy in many games. Hopefully they’ll try that with the Steelers and not leave enough protection for their precious “God of Golden Arms”. I am absolutely salivating for the day this circus full of clowns meets up with hopefully a reasonably healthy Steelers defense in November. Carson never really tasted the wrath of the 2008 Steelers defense, and I want him to find out what he was missing.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I just checked the bengals schedule
I was hoping they played the Steelers right after playing the ravens. No dice, bummer. That’s always a treat when you guys work over a team for us the week before.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Get Real Jazz
What else is coach going to say? We’re screwed? Of course he will be positive, he has no other choice.
I know and im just as mad as you guys or sad as you guys but we must have faith
in our team. Our team is not the cleveland browns or the Buffalo Bills this the ravens one of the toughest team to beat;We can make it and we will make it and now im going to go cry becuase Dominque Foxworth is gone and then play Madden 2010 by the way madden 2o11 kinda suck to me; I played the demo and it just didnt seem good to me
Same as Tomlin's
“We don’t care if bitches get raped anymore. Sometimes in life these things happen”
nope
we got Kindle, Dickson, and Pitta for that… Granted, Kindle is missing now, but you can’t just second-guess this stuff after the fact
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
uhh... are you kidding
not drafting Kyle Wilson will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in raven history.
A-Rod uses steroids, but steroids use Matt Wieters.
are YOU kidding?
we got 3 picks for him, and for all we know Dickson could be a huge star.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Yeah, I’m getting pretty tired of hearing about how Ozzie dropped the ball in the draft because he couldn’t see the future.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
it is pretty rediculous though
obviously Josh McDaniels can see the future, why can’t OZZIE???
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Agree
Its a joke how many people want to second guess the trade now… It was a great trade. Shit happens you can’t predict. Thats life.
corner was our biggest weekness going into the draft
and now we have the wost CBs in the league. Ozzie added no one in the draft to help our secondary. Yeah I know BPA, but when our CB have trouble covering antwaan randle el you’ll wish we had drafted someone better.
A-Rod uses steroids, but steroids use Matt Wieters.
he's predicting this season
the BPA philosophy is prevalent around the league for a reason. There might be a CB, who compared to other CBs is the 5th or 6th best guy and could go in the 3rd round. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be a scrub in the NFL.
Likewise, you may be set at Outside Linebacker, but there comes along a freak athlete who’s game tape is spectacular. You take the Linebacker, because you’re sure he’ll be good and you’ll find some use for him at some point. If you take the corner (in this example), you may be picking a guy just to pick him and you’ll come to find out that he isn’t cut out for it and you would have been better off getting a real NFL player, albeit a player you don’t need.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
corner was our biggest weekness going into the draft
Going into the draft, our corners were part of the 8th ranked passing defense in the NFL after getting off to a slow start while acclimating to a new defensive coordinator and defensive scheme. The corners we had going into training camp were the same ones that embarrassed the Patriots in New England during the playoffs. At the time of the draft, it was known that both Washington and Webb were ahead of schedule in their recovery.
You’re trying to make it sound like there was some sort of dire need to draft a cornerback in the first round when we were actually in a position to take the BPA. Bagging on Ozzie is the cool thing to do right now, but hindsight is always 20/20. Trading back from the first round was the right move at the time.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Jul 30, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dez Bryant just went down with an injury. Good thing we didn’t pick him!
These type of things are ridiculous! You don’t pick a player to help you for one season, you pick them to play for you for 8-10 years. So what if they start off injured their first year like Kindle or Bryant. It doesnt mean your pick was bad (unless they fell alot because they missed a ton of games with injuries like Dan Cody).
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 1, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
<Dez Bryant just went down with an injury. Good thing we didn’t pick him!/blockquote>
Ozzie has definitely redeemed himself. Allowing the Cowboys to trade up one spot ahead of us and pick Bryant was brilliant!
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Dunta Robinson
I wanted to sign him, but the Ravens thought we were fine. Score BW-1 Ravens-0
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
Make sure to put that on your resume when you send it to Bisciotti.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
We also passed on
Cromartie, Leigh Bodden, Lito Sheppard, and Nathan Vasher
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Cromartie, Leigh Bodden, Lito Sheppard, and Nathan Vasher
We drafted Ngata instead of Cromartie. We drafted Ed Reed instead of Sheppard. 32 teams passed on Vasher over three rounds, and those same 32 teams passed on Bodden seven times.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
talking About Free Agency buddy.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ngata and Cody get injured, are you going to be mad that we didn’t sign Julius Peppers or draft Dan Williams?
We should have traded up for Sam Bradford
in case Flacco gets hurt.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
i actually Had Peppers
On my off-season Wish-list to replace Pryce.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Apropos of our current issues:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/15191/zany-tales-from-training-camp
Two years ago, I got to Baltimore Ravens camp early when only rookies, quarterbacks and selected free agents were participating. They didn’t have enough defensive backs to do team drills, so Baltimore used a couple of children who were no taller than five feet. I said they must be mimicking Cleveland’s cornerbacks (Brandon McDonald and Eric Wright) in this drill, which people thought was pretty funny.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Jamison Hensley just tweeted:
Journeyman CB Nashville Dyer is at team hotel with suitcase. Unclear whether the Ravens have signed him.
probably means he’s not a good cornerback.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I don't even think
steeler fans know of him
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 30, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah probably so but that wouldnt be smart on ozzie part to get a player thats
not good he rarely does that anyway
kinda like Ernie Wheelright?
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Demetrius Williams
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 30, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch
Him and Kindle getting hurt is a big blow.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Hey Ampallang
I just figured out what your username means, that’s pretty fucked up dude.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
If it makes you feel any better, I don’t actually have an ampallang.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
That does make it better… It’s still sick though.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 31, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t judge, and be glad that my avatar isn’t more related to my screen name.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
If it was I would personally steal Bruce’s ban-hammer and whop you on the head with it, (No Homo)
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 31, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Google it, and look at the wikipedia page.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 31, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I even want to know?
If you have to ask, I’d suggest not looking into it.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
My question, is why did you decide for that to be your username?
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Jul 31, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really have a good answer for that. I’m not into the “RavensFan55223311” user names. I’ve been into body mods for a while, and even though I don’t actually have an ampallang, I always thought the word just sounded really cool. Plus, this particular name is never taken. So, it’s partly convenience, and partly because I think it sounds cool. There’s really no deep personal meaning for me, other than the attachment that I’ve developed since adopting the name.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Ronde Barber
Offer a 3rd rounder for him. That should be good enough insurance for our superbowl run….
by Rayisyourdaddy on Aug 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks. Based on our recent track record with 3rd round picks (Yanda, Zbi, Webb, Dickson), I think it would be a terrible idea to give that up for a guy who has 1 maybe 2 years left when we can obviously draft someone who will impact us for a very long time.
There are some Things
That are just wrong. Like vegetarian lasagna. Really? What is the point of vegetarian lasagna? But this, this is light years worse than vl… I am sorry, this is just wrong…
But if it gets you some OPP (yeah, I know some rap), good for you-!
Per SI’s Don Banks:
“I’m getting called by every agent who has a cornerback who has played in the league in the last five years,’’ Newsome said, a slightly bemused look on his face.
See the most recent Fan Shot for a link to the source (which actually has a lot of other great coverage of Friday’s Training Camp).
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
I said in another thread that Dyer was probably just brought in to be a warm body for camp. I’d expect to see more action from Ozzie in the coming week or two to improve our secondary.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
He might sign another cornerback but for real i think we are fine becuase like
Raven_all_day said Fabian Washington and Ladarius Webbs are both getting close to be ready real soon to play in the opening season(Fabian Washington more likely since he off pup list).I think Walt Harris, Travis Fisher, K.J Gerald, and Cary Willliams are good as well( given the fact that walt harris is a probowler and Travis Fisher has had great success in the league, but constant injuries stop him from staying on a team)
Tough break, he's a good guy.
"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 31, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
I think he had it coming. After all he did rat us out o the NFLPA
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Aug 1, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Why yes you can fair sir. It’s sad that a steeler’s fan got it and you guys didn’t.
"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me
by Zachary Beard on Aug 1, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I am Getting
The “2001 Season” feeling, except that the Raven’s are not on “Hard Knocks”.
As much as I would love to see a trade, Ozzie seems to only trade during the off-season. It is almost as if he waits to see who gets cut during training camp. One ripple effect this will have is teams might be reluctant to try to sneak through a CB on waivers and hope they can invite them back for the taxi squad. You know if any decent DB does not make the final 53, we will snatch him up.
So much
For my theory about Ozzie not making trades during training camp…
But trading for a guy that could not even make it in the UFL? What makes anybody think he can even be a body in camp????
Does he at Least
Have dreads? What is his face like? Can we apply the same kicker-face test to this guy that we did to Hauschka, Graham and Cundiff?
yeah thats our super hero for our Secondary the next Champ Bailey
but obviously if Ozzie Traded for this guy then he most have good potentials. if not then why past on Frank Walker or Ken Lucas
There’s no evidence that the FO has passed on either of them. This trade happened because Ozzie wanted to get something for Beck instead of just cutting him. Dutch isn’t likely to even make the team; he’s a warm body for training camp. The only thing this signing tells us is that Beck wasn’t much of a quarterback.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
i hate his face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLZjPYyE0fs
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
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